Private sessions: a couple of questions for the models

[Teagan]

*wrong not wrin

 

[SexySteph]

From what the OP describes it seems rude models attract rude members.

Um... No... This is just how members on private based sites tend to behave. I'd say 50-75% of my privates or exclusives just end abruptly without so much as a "goodbye". It's just the culture of private based sites.

 

[SaffronBurke]

As far as selling privates goes - Streamate themselves has no problem recording all of our shows and posting them all over the internet, why shouldn't we get a little profit on them by selling them ourselves? I have a couple for sale that are just standard strip & masturbate shows, and I've also considered going through my session recordings to create yawn compilation clips.... I've pulled a lot of all-nighters!

I really don't find privates ending abruptly to be rude - they just leave when they cum is all. Some do hang around to say thank you, I enjoyed it, etc, but really I'd rather they rate the private and leave comments, because ratings boost your rank on Streamate and comments are nice to have. I've had plenty of abruptly-ended sessions with a follow-up tip and five-star rating, so obviously the guys who end suddenly enjoyed themselves - they're just done.

 

[Ambers Troll]

I'm not even gonna get into it except to say no. I don't know where you're getting your info from but it's wrin . We own our copyright. You can not imply a contract on someone. It doesn't work that way.

Info is from the code of conduct for the site, and the laws on protection of privacy amongst many others. If the model agrees to the code of conduct in their contract, then they take full responsibility for their shows... this appears to be so, so the sites are safe/ they protect themselves. Therefore the model is fully responsible for their shows, the site simply an intermediary.
e.g. Justin Bieber, being the reckless soul he is decides on a true pvt show with a model, it is only personal chat... model sells it as my chat with a celebrity and makes some good money off his chat... media guess rightly it is him and he loses 1 million in sales. Who will his lawyer rightly sue, and win against? This is an extreme example but the ethics are the same....I will get into it no more either, only to say in law it does work that way....get consent if the material is not solely your own or is given in confidence.

 

[SexySteph]

Info is from the code of conduct for the site, and the laws on protection of privacy amongst many others. If the model agrees to the code of conduct in their contract, then they take full responsibility for their shows... this appears to be so, so the sites are safe/ they protect themselves. Therefore the model is fully responsible for their shows, the site simply an intermediary.
e.g. Justin Bieber, being the reckless soul he is decides on a true pvt show with a model, it is only personal chat... model sells it as my chat with a celebrity and makes some good money off his chat... media guess rightly it is him and he loses 1 million in sales. Who will his lawyer rightly sue, and win against? This is an extreme example but the ethics are the same....I will get into it no more either, only to say in law it does work that way....get consent if the material is not solely your own or is given in confidence.

In that bizarre scenario the lawsuit would likely only be successful if the model sold video of Justin Bieber. No girl in her right mind is selling a video of a private and including the dudes cam. "Masturbation Session: BigDick12in69 cam2cam included!" Who would buy that?

 

[Teagan]

Yeah that's no where near what I was talking about nor what was being discussed. Were talking about selling the videos of ourselves...not of members and with that there is nothing legally wrong being done. Our shows are our own and we own them. None of us are stupid enough not to know when someone else turns on their cam that they are gonna own that themselves and try to sell that. Youre going out to an extreme limb to try to prove a point that doesnt need to be made and no one was talking about.

 

[Dani Picas]

Yeah that's no where near what I was talking about nor what was being discussed. Were talking about selling the videos of ourselves...not of members and with that there is nothing legally wrong being done. Our shows are our own and we own them. None of us are stupid enough not to know when someone else turns on their cam that they are gonna own that themselves and try to sell that. Youre going out to an extreme limb to try to prove a point that doesnt need to be made and no one was talking about.

The idea of camgirls, whose videos are stolen so often actually stealing someone elses videos knowing how shit that is, how illegal that is, when the video is a hand over a mediocre penis is actually pretty hilarious.

 

[Ambers Troll]

I was not referring to cam 2 cam ...just voice in background, just what is said in the background alone....the models image is still hers in the example. Should a video be sold that impeaches on a members rights it becomes illegal without their consent. Also should a video be resold that is claimed to be exclusive content it becomes a fraudulent initial sale (the buyer paid for that, including in a private show).

I don't see what is so complicated, that controlling ownership of something does not mean you can do as you please, especially where contractual obligations are in place.

I did also say earlier... legalities are in reality pretty irrelevant... most members wont care.... is just polite to ask really... so for the most part this is only a point of discussion. Small point in law.

 

[Teagan]

Like I said you can not imply a contract so no it's not complicated. And again were talking about our own video feeds being sold, nothing else. That is just a non issue. I will say though there would be no fraudulent sale. If a member pays for a show and got his show then the sale is over and done with. He got what he paid for. Unless he asks for and I agree to something being exclusive and his only for life there is no contract there or fraud to be had. And all of us models know what is exclusive and what isnt and that's that. Lots of us regularly do make deals for some things to be exclusive or give away exclusive vids as incentives or sell them so we know the deal on all of that. You're making a moot point.

 

[SexySteph]

The idea of camgirls, whose videos are stolen so often actually stealing someone elses videos knowing how shit that is, how illegal that is, when the video is a hand over a mediocre penis is actually pretty hilarious.

But no one is talking about stealing other people's videos. We're talking about selling the recording of ourselves. Not the dudes cam, not a recording of the guys voice, not his chat, just OUR video.

I'm so confused, is anyone truly under the impression that girls are discussing selling videos that give away ANY personal information of a member or include recordings of their chat or dick? I cam about 25 hours a week and if I did sell recordings of privates (I don't, it's more effort than it's worth to me) I'd have about 5 privates I could sell per day that don't include me saying the guys name or screenname. This isn't stealing and selling someone else's content. :/

ETA: @Ambers Troll, even in a true private there's no guarantee of exclusivity on any site. On MFC they show up in that private archives thing that all members have access too, on SM the site itself sells them and posts them on porn sites and on Cams.com members can buy them in entirety or pay-per-minute to view.

 

[Dani Picas]

@SexySteph No we arent talking about recording anyone else.. but it seems like @Ambers Troll understood that cause that is the only way his argument could possibly apply. Which no one would ever do, thats why I think its funny.

Honestly I dont really understand why it would be a deal for the member if he is literally just text the girl responds to. No one knows who writes that text or even what is being written exactly. Its like a comedian doing a live show and the audience, that isnt shown, getting annoyed at him for selling it.

 

[SexySteph]

@SexySteph No we arent talking about recording anyone else.. but it seems like @Ambers Troll understood that cause that is the only way his argument could possibly apply. Which no one would ever do, thats why I think its funny.

Ah, I getcha now. I thought you meant "haha, isn't it funny that some girls complain about getting videos stolen as turn around and do it themselves". This makes more sense! lol

 

[yummybrownfox]

I like how on ImLive - on the model's end - a red "Under 2 minutes remaining" alert pops up on the left hand side of the guy's webcam video. It lets me know that the session is coming to an end (I'm assuming the guy gets a similar alert on his end too), and if he doesn't want it to end, he can quickly add on some more credits for more time, so that we're not cut off.