PunkInDrublic said:
Jessi said:
And incest between consenting adults is a totally different thing than non-consensual abuse of a child.
I don't think anyone would argue against that. Incest usually starts with the abuse of a child and then turns into incest between consenting adults. Two completely different things.
There really isn't any evidence to back up that
consensual incest "usually" starts with the abuse of a child. Lots of times consensual incest will occur between consensual cousins of the same age in which neither are being abused by one another, simply experimentation that turns into something more. The same with siblings or half-siblings. There are plenty of cases where the younger one initiates it--after adulthood--such as a niece or nephew with their aunt or uncle or a daughter to a father. Yes, abuse does happen and can turn into a consensual adult relationship, but I wouldn't exactly say that is typical considering most of the time even in adulthood, it wouldn't be consensual.
Jupiter551 said:
Animals do not 'practice incest all the time', they sometimes masturbate, rub against one another and in many herd animals etc their species has adapted and survived perhaps despite only having a small genetic pool. Incest is not practiced amongst animals that can make one another pregnant, and where that close-family pregnancy is detrimental.
Have a child to your brother then marry that child off to your younger sister and you'll see pretty fast why it is, and should be against nature for humans to engage in incest.
Have you ever owned cats, dogs, hamsters, rats, or any other creature of the same litter, or a parent-offspring pair of unaltered animals? The first time the female cat goes into heat, her male litter mate or offspring is going to be all over her and WILL impregnate her. Same with dogs or any other animal that is at the time to breed. They don't care about genetics, they just want to produce offspring. Incest is certainly practiced amongst animals that can make one another pregnant and where close-family pregnancy may be detrimental. Most animals don't masturbate for fun or have sex for fun, they do it for procreation and will procreate with whatever is nearest to them that can be procreated with.
Obviously the closed gene pool caused by incest is the reason why incest shouldn't be practiced for procreation in humans which is why royalty had so many genetic problems, but actually, if I were to have a child with my non-existent brother, most likely nothing bad would come from it even if the child produced married my non-existent younger sister and produced a child. My brother's child and mine would most likely be perfectly fine, though our child's child if produced through incest may have a higher chance of genetic deformities, it isn't guaranteed and that child could also be perfectly healthy and most likely would be. Genetic issues don't typically occur until much later generations of continually practiced closed incest.
Because of that, I really don't see the issue at all of incest without procreation, though. Much like many people shouldn't have biological children because the two unrelated individuals may pass on bad recessive genes, the two related individuals should also consider other forms of raising children such as adoption, fostering, or fertilizing using a different sperm. I don't see what the problem is if they aren't putting potential children in danger, however minuscule the risk.
I'm also annoyed by couples who continue to have biological children when their first child had a genetic deformity that increases their chance of a second child with the same deformity to over 50%. I've seen couples have three or four children where only one child was healthy even though they were aware of the risk for each child or child after the first, but continued trying.
