Models showing everything and leaving "nothing" to the imagination

[Dannyhomebody]

So many models (not all) just giving away way too much out there for the whole world to see. I understand some sites allow nudity in a party chat/tipping setting, but it's a shame when you see models just "masturbating/f-----g somebody else and/or more than one person" hoping for some gold. Keep this in mind for the models who give way too much away. It hurts the model/s, in the end, and it hurts other models who won't do "that kind of stuff in free/guest chat." Throwing that out there (respectfully).

 

[Violet Dawn]

I see it more as a "Hey, they're distracting the freeloaders and cheap people."

If that's their hustle, (on websites where it's allowed, anyway), then who am I to judge?

But I'm curious why it bothers YOU so much? You can just move on if you don't like it.

 

[NotYou]

Have you considered that it's not "exactly" them showing for free, and instead, they are on multiple sites and being tipped for it, or in a private show so they are earning for what they are doing?

 

[yummybrownfox]

You mentioned "party chat" and "gold," so it sounds like you're talking about Streamate? They don't allow below-the-waist nudity or fucking in free chat, so it's probably only a matter of time until those models are banned.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

Not bothered, just an observation/s. If models have the freedom to do this, why not? I understand some models broadcast on more than one site, and for some models, like the saying goes "you do what you've got to do." It just seems to me like "too much" is being given away. I browse other models and I see the tips so I understand "why" those models are doing it. It's the models doing everything "free," that's sad to see. It's the model/s choice to do whatever they want when broadcasting. Will respond sooner to anything I put out here now and moving forward. Just wanted to hear what other models had to say about this, if that makes sense, and BTW, I respect ALL opinions, whether I agree with you or don't.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

I see it more as a "Hey, they're distracting the freeloaders and cheap people."

If that's their hustle, (on websites where it's allowed, anyway), then who am I to judge?

But I'm curious why it bothers YOU so much? You can just move on if you don't like it.

Not bothered. Just an observation. It's just a shame when you see some of the people on there who aren't being tipped at all, doing "everything," and they just come across as really desperate. That's just sad to see.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

You mentioned "party chat" and "gold," so it sounds like you're talking about Streamate? They don't allow below-the-waist nudity or fucking in free chat, so it's probably only a matter of time until those models are banned.

Although Streamate is one of them, I see this on all of them. I just think to myself, why am I going to pay somebody if I get to see it all for free. The models can choose to do whatever they want to do, it just seems to me like they're "short-changing" themselves in the end. Just my opinion. Just respectfully throwing this out there.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

Have you considered that it's not "exactly" them showing for free, and instead, they are on multiple sites and being tipped for it, or in a private show so they are earning for what they are doing?

Yes I have considered this, but what happens when you're on one site getting paid for a private show, but not on the other? Doesn't that give too much away on the other site. When I'm broadcasting on more than one site and do a private show, I send a quick brb message to the other site and lower the volume to zero, the one I'm not getting paid to do a show on, or vice versa. I even put a notice up if I'm off the site, I'm in a private show, don't take it the wrong way. They don't know which site I'm doing the private show on, if that makes sense.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

I see it more as a "Hey, they're distracting the freeloaders and cheap people."

If that's their hustle, (on websites where it's allowed, anyway), then who am I to judge?

But I'm curious why it bothers YOU so much? You can just move on if you don't like it.

Not bothered. Enjoyable to watch the "free shows," browsing rooms, but sad to see the models who are "not" getting tipped anything financially harming themselves, hoping for "something at some point." When I see the models who have tips pouring in left and right, I get it don't get me wrong. Just wanted to hear what other models had to say about this, whether I agree or respectfully disagree with their responses.

 

[GraysonDrake]

Not bothered. Enjoyable to watch the "free shows," browsing rooms, but sad to see the models who are "not" getting tipped anything financially harming themselves, hoping for "something at some point." When I see the models who have tips pouring in left and right, I get it don't get me wrong. Just wanted to hear what other models had to say about this, whether I agree or respectfully disagree with their responses.

You sound pretty bothered to me bro. Maybe you should mind your own business and let those models run theirs how they want. You don't know their lives or their hustles.

This is like some dog whistle slut shaming and I find it especially annoying because you're doing it on a porn site about people who specialize in boners. Like cool we can't even be naked on the internet without some dude complaining about how we go about it.

I don't really care about what other models are doing. I do me. If you don't like what a model is doing go watch someone else.

 

[AudriTwo]

you mean to tell me there are people getting naked on the internet FOR FREE?

 

[yummybrownfox]

Although Streamate is one of them, I see this on all of them. I just think to myself, why am I going to pay somebody if I get to see it all for free. The models can choose to do whatever they want to do, it just seems to me like they're "short-changing" themselves in the end. Just my opinion. Just respectfully throwing this out there.

Okay, so you keep saying you're "not bothered," but clearly you are because you're still harping on about it. I just told you...let them go ahead and do whatever, and let the chips fall where they may (I've always wanted to say that! LOL!). It's no skin off your back. Clearly you're either gonna sit there and stroke your cock to these free shows you keep complaining about...or you're going to choose to spend money on somebody. If models wanna give everything away for free, they're gonna do what they wanna do. Just know that the rest of us ain't gonna be giving y'all a bunch of sucking-and-fucking shows with free entry. You'll have to pay for your entertainment.

Let's play a game. Everyone take a drink every time Danny says he's "not bothered." My drink of choice is sweet tea from Popeyes.

 

[NotYou]

Yes I have considered this, but what happens when you're on one site getting paid for a private show, but not on the other? Doesn't that give too much away on the other site. When I'm broadcasting on more than one site and do a private show, I send a quick brb message to the other site and lower the volume to zero, the one I'm not getting paid to do a show on, or vice versa. I even put a notice up if I'm off the site, I'm in a private show, don't take it the wrong way. They don't know which site I'm doing the private show on, if that makes sense.

There can quite easily be a few reasons why. They could be getting SOME tips on other sites, even if it's only a few, it's extra to what they would not have got had they been fully dressed and doing nothing, and some just don't want to lose their viewer count - going to "brb" or similar will make a lot of your viewers leave.

 

[MarieElise]

OP It's easy to get distracted when you're online, but I really do think it's probably best just to focus on your own hustle. Unless you're actively tipping of course. But in the end, it's your life and your decision what you wanna spend your time doing. There are so many rabbit holes to go down on the internet you know. In the end, a lot of it ends up being a huge waste of time.

Just wanted to hear what other models had to say about this, whether I agree or respectfully disagree with their responses.

It's contest week on SM, we're all kinda busy for an ongoing debate ^ on ACF. I feel confident that I can take the liberty of speaking for everyone on that.
My apologies if anyone actually truly has time for this shit.

 

[Violet Dawn]

Not bothered. Just an observation. It's just a shame when you see some of the people on there who aren't being tipped at all, doing "everything," and they just come across as really desperate. That's just sad to see.

This comment strikes me as very egotistical.

Unless you're an expert on the subject and have some actual advice to those models then I cannot see this being constructive in any way.

It genuinely feels like you're just coming here to talk smack about "those poor girls who just have no idea what they're doing," and it gives me "look at how horrible their lives are compared to mine, they're just so desperate. Look at what they feel like they have to resort to" vibes which really just usually a cover for you to inflate your own ego, and you came here hoping other models would agree with you and stroke your analysis.

I'm not sure if this is your intention or not, but that's how it looks from my perspective. Unless you have some actually constructive criticism based on experience or are directing them towards this forum, I'd really ask you leave them alone. It's probably already embarrassing enough being in that position, but to have your perceived failures being made a spectacle for some persons psychological analysis has to be crushing.

 

[D_A_X]

While this might seem naive on my part, you might consider that some women very genuinely ENJOY showing and doing it all, and money isn't their motivation. I think we tend to overlook that just as some guys like sending unsolicited dick-pics to random women on-online, some women are also getting turned on in their own way through camming - to an exhibitionist, for example, camming could be her secret kink, and her reward for expressing that may have nothing to do with financial gain.

 

[MarieElise]

While this might seem naive on my part, you might consider that some women very genuinely ENJOY showing and doing it all, and money isn't their motivation. I think we tend to overlook that just as some guys like sending unsolicited dick-pics to random women on-online, some women are also getting turned on in their own way through camming - to an exhibitionist, for example, camming could be her secret kink, and her reward for expressing that may have nothing to do with financial gain.

This ^^^^^. I wouldn't say money isn't their motivation myself, but it might not be their main one, in all cases, at all times. So in short OP, thy needeth to mindeth thy own bees wax. Which I know is rich coming from me. But I think most models know exactly how they want to be managing their own rooms, and manage them in that way. So more power to them, ya know.

 

[KenzieCams]

It sounds like you're shaming nude models. If I just sit in my room fully clothed, I could potentially wait over an hour to get nude enough to draw in a crowd and start making actual money. So I just skip the beginning part and show up naked a lot of times. It's also less prep for me beforehand. I can make the same amount of money in half the time.

Also, room count might not really equal more tokens, but my cam time is also an advertisement. Those people find my social media and want to Skype, buy customs, clips, panties, etc, because they know what I have to offer and have seen me nude online.

And quite frankly, if I want to sit on the internet nude or masturbate in front of people online without expectation of money, it doesn't make me anymore sad and pathetic than the guys who tip for c2c so I will watch them cum all over themselves.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

Keeping nudity behind paywalls died in the late '90s and that is how long ago that horse left that barn and it is not coming back. Models compete with free porn both amateur and professionally made on tube sites, Reddit and Twitter, if they find a way to make money that works for them and it is not egregiously stupid and will cause unnecessary heat on the whole business like camming from a playground they kinda have to do it. There are thousands, maybe even tens of thousands models online at any time so they have to do something to stand out. If you want to get some understanding of how hard it is to get people to watch you without actually camming try streaming on Twitch in the Just Chatting category. There is almost no discoverability and starting out without any regulars you will be so far down the page that you will be so anonymous that you could be in the witness protection program and no one would find you.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

This comment strikes me as very egotistical.

Unless you're an expert on the subject and have some actual advice to those models then I cannot see this being constructive in any way.

It genuinely feels like you're just coming here to talk smack about "those poor girls who just have no idea what they're doing," and it gives me "look at how horrible their lives are compared to mine, they're just so desperate. Look at what they feel like they have to resort to" vibes which really just usually a cover for you to inflate your own ego, and you came here hoping other models would agree with you and stroke your analysis.

I'm not sure if this is your intention or not, but that's how it looks from my perspective. Unless you have some actually constructive criticism based on experience or are directing them towards this forum, I'd really ask you leave them alone. It's probably already embarrassing enough being in that position, but to have your perceived failures being made a spectacle for some persons psychological analysis has to be crushing.

Respectfully disagree. I don't have an overinflated ego. Just an observation/s. No disrespect intended with my comments. I'm not better than anybody else and never will be. I just feel bad for some (not all) of the models that have that desperate look in their eyes. I know, not just being a model myself, who 100% loves their work and then unfortunately, you have the ones who don't. I respect the models who enjoy what they do and I also pay for private shows with models who are exhibitionists. You just can't fake it.

My concern said respectfully, is for some (not all) of the models who are doing this who are broke and desperate and who will do anything, hoping for a private show, gold, and/or tokens. For the people who are not comfortable "performing," don't do it. For people who are new to this job and "love" doing this work, this is the perfect job. If the entire country gets shut down again (which should've never been shut down in the 1st place), webcam models are still able to work. Just like with porn, I get so sick and tired of the people who say "I tried the webcams because I was broke/desperate sob stories" I see all over the internet. It makes people like me/us look bad. I had to kick out some d-bag who was trying to "save me." He was in the biz for 10 years, and suddenly now, he wants to try to "save" people like me from "supposedly being exploited." Another person I had to ban from one of my cam sites, wanted to save me because he "discovered Jesus." If religion works for you great, but unless there's a fantasy a person has in connection with religion that doesn't violate the rules, please keep religion/preaching outside of the cam sites, and don't preach about me being "scarred, exploited, or unhappy."

Last but not least, I just feel like some models are giving too much away. If a model is broadcasting on more than one site and is doing a private show on one site, log off the other site and turn the volume down to zero. I post a "headsup" to let people know if I'm stepping away from my computer/website, don't take it the wrong way, I'm in a private show, so I don't just leave the site and people get confused. Some models don't realize this but when a model shows too much when they're not supposed to, it f---s over another model/s, who are smart enough to only show when being "tipped" and/or in a private show.

These are just my thoughts. No disrespect intended with my comments. I hope my comments are helpful to people and I'm grateful to be allowed to share my viewpoints with others, and to listen/see what others have to say and I respect their opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

Thanks for listening/reading. You and everybody else on the forum have a good day/night, depending on what time it is, whoever decides to read these responses, and be safe.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

You sound pretty bothered to me bro. Maybe you should mind your own business and let those models run theirs how they want. You don't know their lives or their hustles.

This is like some dog whistle slut shaming and I find it especially annoying because you're doing it on a porn site about people who specialize in boners. Like cool we can't even be naked on the internet without some dude complaining about how we go about it.

I don't really care about what other models are doing. I do me. If you don't like what a model is doing go watch someone else.

Respectfully disagree. Not bothered. Just an observation. I understand the "art of teasing." BTW, I don't lecture models on what to do in their cam rooms. Never have, never will. I pay for private shows and I just say to myself, well, if they're going to show everything for free, why pay for it? I don't even chat with the model. I browse until I find a model who understands how to "hustle" me for gold and I take a model in a private show who doesn't "give too much away." I understand everybody is different. I'm just throwing my opinion out there as a webcam model "and" as a person who pays for private shows with performers.

Respectfully disagree with some of your words. Why would I "slut-shame" webcam models, when I do webcam modeling myself? If a model wants to be naked fine, I'm just throwing my opinion/s out there, and am in no way, shape, or form trying to disrespect/slut shame anybody.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

There can quite easily be a few reasons why. They could be getting SOME tips on other sites, even if it's only a few, it's extra to what they would not have got had they been fully dressed and doing nothing, and some just don't want to lose their viewer count - going to "brb" or similar will make a lot of your viewers leave.

So you do unfortunately lose some or all of your viewers, but fortunately for me (I'm not saying this will work for everybody, it does work for me), when I log back on, my followers come right back. It also sends the message that I'm "working." This approach may/may not work for other models. Maybe I'm just "lucky" (for now). Not trying to come across as "superior" to anybody else, BTW. My advice is don't show (tease) until you see the tips coming, whether you're on one site or more than one. Just my opinion. I appreciate your response/s, whether I agree with you or don't.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

Okay, so you keep saying you're "not bothered," but clearly you are because you're still harping on about it. I just told you...let them go ahead and do whatever, and let the chips fall where they may (I've always wanted to say that! LOL!). It's no skin off your back. Clearly you're either gonna sit there and stroke your cock to these free shows you keep complaining about...or you're going to choose to spend money on somebody. If models wanna give everything away for free, they're gonna do what they wanna do. Just know that the rest of us ain't gonna be giving y'all a bunch of sucking-and-fucking shows with free entry. You'll have to pay for your entertainment.

Let's play a game. Everyone take a drink every time Danny says he's "not bothered." My drink of choice is sweet tea from Popeyes.

BTW, just responding to people and trying to get more active on this forum now compared to in the past. No disrespect to anybody in anyway, shape, or form on here, regarding this and/or any other issue I discuss here in this forum. I'm just voicing my opinion, but respectfully, because I don't want to receive a "party pooper trophy." I hope my comments are helpful since the industry has given a lot to me, and well, I just feel it's time to try to "give back" to the industry with my "trying to be respectful opinions." Grateful to be able to express my viewpoints and if I can make the webcam world better for anybody, not just performers, I try to be helpful and not hurtful.

 

[NotYou]

So you do unfortunately lose some or all of your viewers, but fortunately for me (I'm not saying this will work for everybody, it does work for me), when I log back on, my followers come right back. It also sends the message that I'm "working." This approach may/may not work for other models. Maybe I'm just "lucky" (for now). Not trying to come across as "superior" to anybody else, BTW. My advice is don't show (tease) until you see the tips coming, whether you're on one site or more than one. Just my opinion. I appreciate your response/s, whether I agree with you or don't.

I guess different sites have different rules for the "is live/online" feature. For instance, on Chaturbate a model can only send the notification to users once every 6(?) hours, so on here if they do the whole "brb" or "offline", they lose viewers and can't notify them again. I know Stripchat is somewhat strange with the "live" notification, sometimes I will get the notification every time a model comes back online, and for some models I never receive it (and this is for models I have notifications turned on for). I can't speak for other sites and how their notification system works, so based on these 2 alone, I don't think it's very reliable for models

 

[Dannyhomebody]

I guess different sites have different rules for the "is live/online" feature. For instance, on Chaturbate a model can only send the notification to users once every 6(?) hours, so on here if they do the whole "brb" or "offline", they lose viewers and can't notify them again. I know Stripchat is somewhat strange with the "live" notification, sometimes I will get the notification every time a model comes back online, and for some models I never receive it (and this is for models I have notifications turned on for). I can't speak for other sites and how their notification system works, so based on these 2 alone, I don't think it's very reliable for models

Whatever works for you and/or other models, do whatever you have to do (safe and legally) to make your money. As I mentioned to somebody else regarding this issue, I'm just trying to be helpful with my comments and not hurtful. If my approach doesn't work for you and/or anybody/everybody else, don't do it. I just decided to get more active on this forum because the webcam world has given a lot to me, and well, I decided it's time I should "give something back." I do appreciate the feedback from you and others, I just don't want to receive a "party pooper trophy," when all I'm trying to do is be helpful. Have a good day/night depending on whatever time you read this, and be safe. Thank you again for your response/s.

 

[AudriTwo]

BTW, just responding to people and trying to get more active on this forum now compared to in the past. No disrespect to anybody in anyway, shape, or form on here, regarding this and/or any other issue I discuss here in this forum. I'm just voicing my opinion, but respectfully, because I don't want to receive a "party pooper trophy." I hope my comments are helpful since the industry has given a lot to me, and well, I just feel it's time to try to "give back" to the industry with my "trying to be respectful opinions." Grateful to be able to express my viewpoints and if I can make the webcam world better for anybody, not just performers, I try to be helpful and not hurtful.

That's nice, but you can go about it without shaming people who hustle differently. Disagree all you want, but this is the reality.

Personally I don't care what other people do in their room. By them "showing it all for free" it has zero impact on my earnings. The people who see me want to pay to see me even if there is someone doing a free show right next to me.

 

[tokensarentforkids]

I do sometimes feel my favorite model is having a hard day because some other models are doing too much for free, but if they really aren't getting paid they will quit soon. There are thousands of models online doing nothing with no viewers, so you can't blame them for trying...

 

[LaceyRoyce]

If you think that nudity/sexual shows is the only thing of value you have to use when camming I can understand this mentality. But the way I see it people don't come to cam to see naked ppl. They think they do. But they stick around for other reasons. Nudity and cum shows can EASILY be the lure when you're marketing. Gets them in the door. When I did a lot of public shows my clothes off counts and cum show counts were comparatively low for where I was ranked. MY personality, friendship, connection, a strong group atmosphere, sense of belonging and status within the group, videos and other items, subscriptions, tip menu items were the things I was selling. And it was a very successful strategy for me for a decade so...

And as far as the "harms" other models narrative:
#1 stores exist in different niches. The girls who take everything off quickly are in a different niche than the girls who don't.
#2 to be frank, this is a business running under capitalism. If someone has a way to make more $$ they can and should use it if they want. And for the girls where the strategy is clearly not working.. the ones you call desperate... I feel sad for anyone working a job they don't enjoy and not being paid what they deserve. I can say the and for minimum wage workers. It sucks. But I don't think these models problem is that they took their clothes off too soon. And if it's not working for them, they're certainly not harming anyone else. In fact, if you think about a model sitting in a dead room doing a free cum show no one is watching ... this proves my earlier point. The thing we are selling isn't always nudity.

 

[throwawayacc71]

On paper i think you're right danny but i think the reality is the majority of models arent thinking "i might fuck over "X" models if i do free public shows" this is never going to change

 

[Richyrichy]

As a consumer, I have viewed cammers who stream nude for free but after a while, I get tired of it so I move on.

I feel they have a valuable role to play. Some guys want to come online and fap free for ten minutes free. They take care of those guys. And often they do actually get nice tips.

For me, I like a bit of interaction with a model so I prefer to tip. Either in a crowd-funded room (tip to goal) Or in private.

I talk a lot in chat. So I back it up with tokens. But that is just my style.

In a broader sense, I feel it is not sensible (in my opinion) to try to create censorship rules and regulations.

For example, one time I was watching a cammer who just lay there reading a book and she had an automatic dildo machine.
Guys would tip. The machine sprang into life. She groaned a bit. And on it went.
I was fascinated! And I wanted to ask a lot of questions.. But I did not!!

I guess in your mind you assumed the majority of people here would agree with your post and point of view.
Actually, it seems to be the opposite. Many of the responders have given a "Live and let live" view.
You have had about 16 responses above. And support seems limited.

So it seems the majority of responses are simply: Let them be...

So I am interested.. Having written the original post and now received multiple responses - have they changed your mind in any way.
Did the responses re-shape your thinking? Or are you still fixed on your original idea that free nude cammers cause harm.