Model "Room Operators" what are your thoughts?

[dinnerforbreakfast]

What are people's thoughts on models that use operators to type/speak for them? Online and offline on platforms such as Telegram, WhatsApp etc.

I can understand it to a point, where the model might not have the best grasp of English and needs a hand translating (despite there being tools for that already). Perhaps the operator can manage goals and the management of the stream...

Though if someone is paying money to speak to the model directly and they aren't, isn't this a breach of TOS? Suppose it might depend on the site.

I know of rooms where members have sunk thousands, tens of thousands, thinking all the time they were communicating with the model, only to realise later it was a complete farce and the whole time. They were talking to some dude pretending to be the model they were so devoted to.

At any rate, would like to hear people's opinions and experiences with this.

 

[Deleted member 72761]

They were talking to some dude pretending to be the model they were so devoted to.

From what I understand this can be fairly common.

 

[AudriTwo]

sometimes i wish i had a second person to message users on my behalf. not only the time but the emotional labor can be overwhelming. when i first started my husband would help me. you dudes have no fucking idea the amount of work it takes to maintain your camroom and inbox. maybe try to empathize with why we do.

camsites are fantasy. no shit its farce. do you think there would be thousands of active cammodels if money wasnt involved? then again its no surprise users would have problems with this. some users cannot mentally handle it when they learn that their single tokens aren't making cammodels feel pleasure with buggy tip toys.

if you guys want private and genuine interactions, a porn site is the last place you get it. if dudes are having a hard time creating or maintaining relationships with anyone, therapy.

 

[dinnerforbreakfast]

maybe try to empathize with why we do.

I do. It is why I am asking for people's opinions and experiences. I don't understand this tone.

then again its no surprise users would have problems with this

Some don't care, it's all about the T&A, many do though.

if dudes are having a hard time creating or maintaining relationships with anyone, therapy.

This sits wrongly with me and assumes a lot. It's not so wrong or unhealthy to want to speak directly to the person you believe you are interacting with? Surely that is pretty healthy!

 

[AudriTwo]

Idk how you messed up the quotes @dinnerforbreakfast

This sits wrongly with me and assumes a lot. It's not so wrong or unhealthy to want to speak directly to the person you believe you are interacting with? Surely that is pretty healthy!

The person you speaking with isnt actually that person. Its a persona. Cammodels and online entertainers curate what you all see and hear.

If you want to have real genuine interactions, going to online spaces that require transactions for them is not the place. Can it happen of course, but shouldn't be an expectation. Models share enough of themselves as is. Why is it so bad if a model has someone to help maintain their business/image/brand? Other online entertainers have assistants or management help with social media and fan interactions.

I dont think its wrong pointing out if users are having a hard time with this, camsites arent for them and therapy to help better cope.

 

[dinnerforbreakfast]

Idk how you messed up the quotes @dinnerforbreakfast


The person you speaking with isnt actually that person. Its a persona. Cammodels and online entertainers curate what you all see and hear.

If you want to have real genuine interactions, going to online spaces that require transactions for them is not the place. Can it happen of course, but shouldn't be an expectation. Models share enough of themselves as is. Why is it so bad if a model has someone to help maintain their business/image/brand? Other online entertainers have assistants or management help with social media and fan interactions.

I dont think its wrong pointing out if users are having a hard time with this, camsites arent for them and therapy to help better cope.

I tried the multi-quote and it seems to not have worked correctly.

So, are you saying that when someone pays to talk to a model directly, they should assume they aren't talking to the model directly and need professional help if they believe it? Of course I understand the fantasy.

I don't really know what to say...someone else's input here might be useful.

 

[Smoothie]

I’ll try to give my take with an analogy.

If I watch the movie Rocky IV, I want to enjoy the characters within the context of the story they’re telling me. I know “Ivan Drago” is actually actor Dolph Lundgren, but that doesn’t bother me. As long as he can convince me for a couple hours that he is supervillain Ivan Drago, I’ll enjoy the show. If he breaks character, though, he will take me out of the fantasy and I’ll stop enjoying the movie.

Likewise, if I visit a cam model, I am there for the show/the interactive experience. I know (and prefer) that it’s a fantasy, right down to the stage names and the chit-chat. That doesn’t bother me at all, as long as it’s done well enough that I can suspend disbelief & have a good time.

What I’m saying is if the woman on the screen can adequately pantomime so that I think it’s really her typing - and if Santiago the computer tech/monitor can type to me for a few minutes on her behalf without breaking character in a way obvious enough to ruin my vibe - then what do I care.

 

[bitesizedru]

At the end of the day, we're here to create an experience for you. We build up a fantasy for you, and creating and maintaining that fantasy with dozens/hundreds/thousands of people is a pain in the ass and past a certain point, nearly impossible to do on your own. While I'm too much of a control freak to outsource things like that I can completely understand why someone else would. My question is, if you already know you'll be interacting with a version of ourselves that may or may not be real, in a transactional fantasy setting, does it really matter if she's the one typing "omg ur cock is so huge" or if its some guy saying the same thing because it's what she would be saying if she wasn't busy?

 

[KingMarti]

If a model isnt providing the kind experience you like, then just find another model, it's not like there's a shortage of models online. I dont understand why people feel the need to make issues out of things that are as simple to solve as just going to another model. Dont like a model having an operator? then go to a room that dosnt have an operator managing the chat, cant tell if theres an operator? then theres no problem.

 

[Deleted member 64633]

So, are you saying that when someone pays to talk to a model directly, they should assume they aren't talking to the model directly and need professional help if they believe it? Of course I understand the fantasy.

Yes and no.
99% studio models - yes
Most independent models - a little yes, mostly no

And yes, anyone thinking the cam model persona is the Actual personality/character/person in their real, daily life, yes, they need professional help.

 

[misterical]

What are people's thoughts on models that use operators to type/speak for them? Online and offline on platforms such as Telegram, WhatsApp etc.

I can understand it to a point, where the model might not have the best grasp of English and needs a hand translating (despite there being tools for that already). Perhaps the operator can manage goals and the management of the stream...

Though if someone is paying money to speak to the model directly and they aren't, isn't this a breach of TOS? Suppose it might depend on the site.

I know of rooms where members have sunk thousands, tens of thousands, thinking all the time they were communicating with the model, only to realise later it was a complete farce and the whole time. They were talking to some dude pretending to be the model they were so devoted to.

At any rate, would like to hear people's opinions and experiences with this.

I've mostly but not exclusively spoken to models who respond verbally on stream so it's never been an issue. I have been in rooms where there is a live operator off camera doing the chat but usually it's pretty obvious unless they are really polished. If words are appearing on your screen but nobody on the screen is typing then you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work it out. If it's just a case of asking a model to do things for you in pvt then I'm not sure why it matters. If you are conducting a full blown "love affair" and then later on finding out that you've actually been chatting to Jose then I guess that would come as a shock but surely if you were that deeply involved you'd eventually notice that something wasn't right.

 

[dinnerforbreakfast]

yes, they need professional help.

Are you a trained psychologist? To tell people they need professional help when you have no idea of their personal situation is...so wrong and damaging. This goes for anyone saying similar things.

The reason I asked all this is that recently I have been in rooms where this isn't just 'selling the fantasy' it's a an organised hustle and I wondered what models and members alike thought about it.

@KingMarti The fantasy is part of the deal, sure, but if 'Jose' is the one you are communicating with - that's not the deal if the other party isn't aware of it and has been convinced otherwise.

@bitesizedru thankyou, I understand why people might want to 'outsource' things as you say.

This was always going to be a minefield of a post...

 

[KingMarti]

@KingMarti The fantasy is part of the deal, sure, but if 'Jose' is the one you are communicating with - that's not the deal if the other party isn't aware of it and has been convinced otherwise.

You missed the point entirely. If its not obvious enough that you know then it doesnt matter. If it is obvious enough that you know and it's something that bothers you then just go to a different room. I really dont get whats so complicated?

 

[misterical]

@KingMarti The fantasy is part of the deal, sure, but if 'Jose' is the one you are communicating with - that's not the deal if the other party isn't aware of it and has been convinced otherwise.

Marti's point is a reasonable one.

If you only want to convey your desires to a model in a private then the presence of an operator shouldn't be an issue unless the idea of a third person in your private bothers you. And if it's not obvious then what does it matter. If it is an issue, move on.

However, and I think this is the use case you are driving at, you are having a more personal "love affair" style relationship with a model then it's a little more nuanced.

If you've bought into the fantasy that you are someday going to meet and marry your webcam model then you have already started down the pathway to hopeless and unachievable fantasy. If you believe that you and the model have a future together outside of the page then you've already suspended belief. You might as well suspend belief completely and convince yourself that you are indeed talking to her and not her husband.

 

[Maxi]

It’s all just words on a screen

 

[AudriTwo]

I dont think camsites are for OP...

 

[BrookeRidess]

Idk how you messed up the quotes @dinnerforbreakfast


The person you speaking with isnt actually that person. Its a persona. Cammodels and online entertainers curate what you all see and hear.

If you want to have real genuine interactions, going to online spaces that require transactions for them is not the place. Can it happen of course, but shouldn't be an expectation. Models share enough of themselves as is. Why is it so bad if a model has someone to help maintain their business/image/brand? Other online entertainers have assistants or management help with social media and fan interactions.

I dont think its wrong pointing out if users are having a hard time with this, camsites arent for them and therapy to help better cope.

I have never agreed with a post more

 

[Maxi]

I dont think camsites are for OP...

Yeah. I guess my point was: he isn’t going to send a message to a model asking “hey, fancy a drink tonight? Meet me at Sulley’s at 8pm.” And then be disappointed when a moderator shows up instead.

 

[Deleted member 64633]

Are you a trained psychologist? To tell people they need professional help when you have no idea of their personal situation is...so wrong and damaging. This goes for anyone saying similar things.

Odd question, since *all* of us models talk from years of experience dealing with delusional clients, but also yeah, I have a degree in psychology, funny enough.

 

[Deleted member 64633]

The reason I asked all this is that recently I have been in rooms where this isn't just 'selling the fantasy' it's a an organised hustle and I wondered what models and members alike thought about it.

You're a lost cause if you can't see that's literally the same in cam world. The hustle is selling the fantasy. However who sells it, the model directly or her operators, is up to the model to decide, and up to the client to accept or move on to the next. If its a operator type organisation, it doesn't make it any less of a fantasy than if its the model directly typing - fyi, exactly the same stuff an operator would anyway, except she can dance 2m away from her laptop or do a dildo show undisturbed by thirsty "show feet bb" "squirt bb" "open boobs bb" or random "hey"-s in private messages during a full blown cumshow.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I’ll try to give my take with an analogy.

If I watch the movie Rocky IV, I want to enjoy the characters within the context of the story they’re telling me. I know “Ivan Drago” is actually actor Dolph Lundgren, but that doesn’t bother me. As long as he can convince me for a couple hours that he is supervillain Ivan Drago, I’ll enjoy the show. If he breaks character, though, he will take me out of the fantasy and I’ll stop enjoying the movie.

Likewise, if I visit a cam model, I am there for the show/the interactive experience. I know (and prefer) that it’s a fantasy, right down to the stage names and the chit-chat. That doesn’t bother me at all, as long as it’s done well enough that I can suspend disbelief & have a good time.

What I’m saying is if the woman on the screen can adequately pantomime so that I think it’s really her typing - and if Santiago the computer tech/monitor can type to me for a few minutes on her behalf without breaking character in a way obvious enough to ruin my vibe - then what do I care.

The Rocky mention just made you 1,000 times cooler in my mind.

I went on a Bumble date with a guy who had the Rocky poster of the quote “It ain’t about how hard you can hit,” and I was so turned on. Lol. I’m a huge Rocky fan.

 

[tokensarentforkids]

I’ll try to give my take with an analogy.

If I watch the movie Rocky IV, I want to enjoy the characters within the context of the story they’re telling me. I know “Ivan Drago” is actually actor Dolph Lundgren, but that doesn’t bother me. As long as he can convince me for a couple hours that he is supervillain Ivan Drago, I’ll enjoy the show. If he breaks character, though, he will take me out of the fantasy and I’ll stop enjoying the movie.

Likewise, if I visit a cam model, I am there for the show/the interactive experience. I know (and prefer) that it’s a fantasy, right down to the stage names and the chit-chat. That doesn’t bother me at all, as long as it’s done well enough that I can suspend disbelief & have a good time.

What I’m saying is if the woman on the screen can adequately pantomime so that I think it’s really her typing - and if Santiago the computer tech/monitor can type to me for a few minutes on her behalf without breaking character in a way obvious enough to ruin my vibe - then what do I care.

It's a supporting character in a recorded performance. I think a better example is going to a concert and it's lip synced. Also, you paid $1000 for a ticket.

 

[MarieElise]

Are you a trained psychologist? To tell people they need professional help when you have no idea of their personal situation is...so wrong and damaging. This goes for anyone saying similar things.

The reason I asked all this is that recently I have been in rooms where this isn't just 'selling the fantasy' it's a an organised hustle and I wondered what models and members alike thought about it.

@KingMarti The fantasy is part of the deal, sure, but if 'Jose' is the one you are communicating with - that's not the deal if the other party isn't aware of it and has been convinced otherwise.

@bitesizedru thankyou, I understand why people might want to 'outsource' things as you say.

This was always going to be a minefield of a post...

Are you a trained and licensed clinical psychologist, to be able to say that’s damaging?

 

[inertvolcano]

Avoid cam models from countries where operators are common or cam models working at a scale where they couldn't be possibly interacting with members without assistance. That's what I've done and, as far as I know, it's worked for me or well enough that I couldn't tell the difference.

 

[Vixxen81]

This is like complaining a deaf person needs a translator or a blind person needs a cane or handler or that a handicapped person needs a wheelchair.

 

[AudriTwo]

It's a supporting character in a recorded performance. I think a better example is going to a concert and it's lip synced. Also, you paid $1000 for a ticket.

its like buying tickets to watch a beyonce drag performance and expecting beyonce.

 

[Deleted member 64633]

It's a supporting character in a recorded performance. I think a better example is going to a concert and it's lip synced. Also, you paid $1000 for a ticket.

It's porn(recorded performance) in real time(live  performance). How much someone paid for it is irrelevant.
It's a performance. If you don't like the way it's performed, go somewhere else. On stripchat alone there's times where there's over 9000 models online. It's not like there's no other model to spend money on if the one you came across isn't typing you up a fantasy directly with her own fingers lol.

You guys would have a stroke finding out how many OF accounts are run fully by agencies and not the actual model

 

[Marceline]

Gonna play devil’s advocate for a second.

I can understand why a member would get upset if they found out they were paying to speak to a model and they weren’t, depending on the circumstance.

If someone is just messaging to ask about details for a show or custom content and it’s someone else responding, I don’t think that’s grounds for getting upset. Or if it’s in the middle of a private and it’s clear someone else is typing, but they’re still getting the physical show they want.

If someone is paying for a sexting session and it’s being handled by someone other than the model they think they are talking to, I think it’s reasonable to not be happy about that. If you’re paying for someone’s time and attention, it’s only natural to assume you’re getting that person’s time and attention.

Yes, cam sites are all about fantasy, and I get the “if they enjoyed it why should it matter” argument. But, using that same logic, what would be the difference between paying someone and having another person talk to you instead vs just using some sort of AI program to talk sexy to? Idk, I just think it’s a slippery slope. AI has progressed to the point where you can construct your own online model and have them act and speak however you want. The reason why people chose to go to actual human being models over using AI is because of the human interaction (and of course it’s still not easily accessible for people who aren’t as technologically inclined, but I think that’s going to be changing in the near future). Sure, it’s a fantasy, but you’re still interacting with another person. If it gets to the point where more models are delegating their messaging to assistants or even chat programs, what would be the point in members continuing to talk to actual models?

I’m still groggy this morning, so maybe I’m way off base, but just my sleepy two cents.

 

[dinnerforbreakfast]

This is like complaining a deaf person needs a translator or a blind person needs a cane or handler or that a handicapped person needs a wheelchair.

No it's really nothing like those things at all. What are you even trying to say here? That's a ridiculous statement.

 

[Vixxen81]

No it's really nothing like those things at all. What are you even trying to say here? That's a ridiculous statement.

No it isn't. If they need this person to do their job, so what?