MFC Rules and warnings

[Mikeythegeek]

I have no interest in group or private shows, however, because for me the thought of tokens trickling away every second ruins the ability to just relax and enjoy what I am watching.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a dumb statement. I'd rather leave a group show early because I'm not feeling well or the show just isn't working for me and save those tokens than tip for a public show and risk the model either not delivering on the show or MFC crashing.

Remember, if there's a technical issue in a group or private show; MFC is open to refunding those tokens. Tips can not be refunded. MFC refund policy

 

[FifthElephant]

I have no interest in group or private shows, however, because for me the thought of tokens trickling away every second ruins the ability to just relax and enjoy what I am watching.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a dumb statement. I'd rather leave a group show early because I'm not feeling well or the show just isn't working for me and save those tokens than tip for a public show and risk the model either not delivering on the show or MFC crashing.

Remember, if there's a technical issue in a group or private show; MFC is open to refunding those tokens. Tips can not be refunded. MFC refund policy

We are able to issue token refunds for:

Technical problems (the site breaks and takes your tokens.)

 

[Mirra]

Yeah... groups make me insanely happy. I can buy a 900 token package and get a mind blowing one and a half hours of live, fap-my-heart-out, cam model sexiness. Take the plunge for the 1875 token package and you're at over 3 hours. Sure pre-recorded, over-produced porn is cheaper but I think most MFC members agree there's something about a live, semi-interactive (more than semi-interactive if you go for the private!) show that makes all the difference.

 

[Keltaric]

I have no interest in group or private shows, however, because for me the thought of tokens trickling away every second ruins the ability to just relax and enjoy what I am watching.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a dumb statement. I'd rather leave a group show early because I'm not feeling well or the show just isn't working for me and save those tokens than tip for a public show and risk the model either not delivering on the show or MFC crashing.

God forbid someone have a different opinion than you, huh? My god.

200 tokens doesn't get you terribly far in private but I think MFC by far has the most reasonable group rates among the big chat sites. 200 tokens is 20 minutes in group. Although you might mourn the loss of your ten tokens over the course of 60 seconds (which is understandable) it creates the opposite effect for me as a model. Knowing that I'm getting paid by the minute (as opposed to by the grace of charitable hearts attached to frantically fapping cocks, busy hands, and focused aroused brains) removes all anxiety from the performance scenario.

I don't mourn the loss of tokens and I don't disagree with you at all regarding the value people get for their tokens. I'm just expressing my own personal opinion about how I prefer to spend tokens.

Psychology is a very important part of analyzing customer spending habits in any industry. Some people don't have a problem with being "on the clock", whereas other customers find it unpleasant. In some industries, flat rate pricing dominates, and in others metered pricing dominates. It all depends on the prevailing customer demand. Personally, I prefer flat rate pricing in most cases. It is just less stressful.

Even in your example, I'd much prefer a system where a model could give invites to a 20 minute group show, and tell people it was 200 tokens to get an invitation. Even though its the same amount, and even though I'm gving up the option to "leave early", I would actually prefer that to entering a group show and seeing the tokens tick away every few seconds. I don't even want to have in the back of my mind "should I leave? is this still worth staying?" I'd rather have just tipped the full amount up front and then there's no more decisions to be made.

You make a good point about what makes you a happier and better performer, and that is definitely something for anyone watching you to consider. I am only speaking for myself and I know for a fact that if I am doing something for entertainment, feeling like I am "on the clock" detracts significantly from the value for *me*.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I'm putting my "Leo doesn't give a shit about rules" theory to the test. One of the 1st things I saw on MFC this morning was GemGem fisting herself in public chat. I took a screen cap and emailed it to MFC admins. If they do punish her for it, I'm sure we will hear about it eventually (it seems like the lounge is always talking about things like that). If not, then I think we know that the rules no longer exist and it might as well be a free for all for everyone.

 

[AmyLemon]

Even in your example, I'd much prefer a system where a model could give invites to a 20 minute group show, and tell people it was 200 tokens to get an invitation. Even though its the same amount, and even though I'm gving up the option to "leave early", I would actually prefer that to entering a group show and seeing the tokens tick away every few seconds. I don't even want to have in the back of my mind "should I leave? is this still worth staying?" I'd rather have just tipped the full amount up front and then there's no more decisions to be made.

I'm totally hearing what you're sharing, and not in any way attempting to stomp on your personal opinion. But in your re imagining of the group chat scenario you're goal is to not have to *think* too much about what you're seeing? You would rather forfeit the right to leave at your will for the bonus of being trapped in a show regardless of the quality of the show? That is your desired scenario? (i'm not being snarky here, i'm genuinely curious! )
In your description it sounds like the scenario you prefer is to be in a group under the following pretense, "well, I'm here. I'm stuck here, I paid for it. So whether it's worth staying or not is irrelevant and that's a huge load off my mind"

You know what I would do for 20 minutes if I had sold a 20 minute 200 token block to 6 premiums? *Sit there are stare at the wall, pausing only to intermittently laugh at how dumb they are for having given me 200 tokens without seeing the quality of my performance.* I think the quality of groups would go waaaaaaaaay down if this kind of show package was introduced. WHY would I have to entertain you? You're a captive audience!

The current group system is successful because you can come and go as you please (both literally and figuratively) and thus motivates me as the model to put on a consistently great and dynamic show in an attempt to maintain the audiences attention. If they get bored of me, they can leave. If I don't do what they want me to do they can leave. The onus is on me to entertain. And trust me, you're not checking your watch and there's nothing going on in the back of your mind when you're in group with me sir. Men have died of starvation watching me.

 

[Bocefish]

I totally understand what both K & LL are expressing and is precisely why some models do custom videos. :mrgreen:

 

[Bocefish]

I'm putting my "Leo doesn't give a shit about rules" theory to the test. One of the 1st things I saw on MFC this morning was GemGem fisting herself in public chat. I took a screen cap and emailed it to MFC admins. If they do punish her for it, I'm sure we will hear about it eventually (it seems like the lounge is always talking about things like that). If not, then I think we know that the rules no longer exist and it might as well be a free for all for everyone.

Do you honestly think that Leo is just unaware models do public penetration shows? :lol:

 

[Keltaric]

I'm totally hearing what you're sharing, and not in any way attempting to stomp on your personal opinion. But in your re imagining of the group chat scenario you're goal is to not have to *think* too much about what you're seeing? You would rather forfeit the right to leave at your will for the bonus of being trapped in a show regardless of the quality of the show?

Yes, although I probably wouldn't be a return customer for a model whose invitation based shows were poor.

I guess I look at it the way I look at other forms of entertainment. I'd rather pay a flat fee for a movie, rather than pay per minute. I'd rather make my purchasing decision once, and then live with it and (hopefully) enjoy it without having to worry about it any more after that point.

I totally understand what both K & LL are expressing and is precisely why some models do custom videos. :mrgreen:

Great point. I've probably spent more tokens on videos than anything else. It eliminates issues with cam quality or lag, and its the gift that keeps on giving.

I totally understand why some people prefer group and private shows to an "invitation only, pseudo-group show" type thing I'm suggesting. The beauty of there being many rooms is that people can try all sorts of different things and choose what works best ofr them (that goes for models AND pervs).

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I'm putting my "Leo doesn't give a shit about rules" theory to the test. One of the 1st things I saw on MFC this morning was GemGem fisting herself in public chat. I took a screen cap and emailed it to MFC admins. If they do punish her for it, I'm sure we will hear about it eventually (it seems like the lounge is always talking about things like that). If not, then I think we know that the rules no longer exist and it might as well be a free for all for everyone.

Do you honestly think that Leo is just unaware models do public penetration shows? :lol:

Well, maybe I shouldn't say Leo as much as MFC admins as a whole. Either way, a model fisting in public is, IMO, an example of a model pushing it too far and thus, would be something that MFC would get on her case over. But if she gets off with nothing, then we know that we'd might as well close this thread because the rules are a lie.

 

[AlexLady]

I'm putting my "Leo doesn't give a shit about rules" theory to the test. One of the 1st things I saw on MFC this morning was GemGem fisting herself in public chat. I took a screen cap and emailed it to MFC admins. If they do punish her for it, I'm sure we will hear about it eventually (it seems like the lounge is always talking about things like that). If not, then I think we know that the rules no longer exist and it might as well be a free for all for everyone.

Do you honestly think that Leo is just unaware models do public penetration shows? :lol:

Well, maybe I shouldn't say Leo as much as MFC admins as a whole. Either way, a model fisting in public is, IMO, an example of a model pushing it too far and thus, would be something that MFC would get on her case over. But if she gets off with nothing, then we know that we'd might as well close this thread because the rules are a lie.

Hah, I literally sat there for hours one day pimping other cam sites. I've even posted about it on my news feed a few times. Leo never cares about anything, not even models hitting their kids on cam or people fucking dogs with dilods.

 

[nzhere]

or people fucking dogs with dilods.

 

[Tesla]

I feel bad for some really cool models who just cannot get ANY show done without it being funded largely by one or two people and then performed in public. It really should have been dealt with sooner rather than later.

I too feel bad when I see a girl trying to get groups/privates going and then languishing when there's no interest and settling for a public show that you can see in her eyes she doesn't really want to do. I agree with you on the inherent saddness in that but I'm gonna go ahead and briefly blame the victim just for the purpose of playing devils advocate. If a girl starts on MFC with countdowns to full penetration public shows and everyone and their brother has seen the delicate inner lips of her labia it stands to reason that after a while there's just no POINT in going group or private. No mystery remains. Why would you pay per minute to see something you saw for free the week before? We can shake our fists at the tone of MFC these days but ultimately the onus is on models to carry their own shows strategically so that after a few months the attitude of the audience isn't, "*sigh* there's Amy again, with her vag out again *yawn*"
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There are a HUNDRED ways to do a sexy, profitable, popular public show without utilizing your fisting skills imho.

Everything Lemon says is infinitely quotable, have you ever noticed that? This is the main point for me here though: the models that do explicit free shows don't realize they are screwing themselves in the long run. You can't uncook an egg. Once you've done something in public, where is the impetus to pay to see it? Plus, having to constantly "outdo" yourself sounds utterly exhausting. I just got done reading a fascinating book, Free, by Chris Anderson, and I can't help but find common themes in his description of the increasing, inevitable approach of zero dollars for things in the digital age, as the market become more about an endless digital storefront, and less about tangible goods. And you can absolutely see the correlation in porn. What did you get for your porn dollar twenty years ago, five years ago? Compare that to that can you get now for free on every corner of the internet, whether you are looking for it or not.

I hope camming is different, that the one-on-one interaction between breathing human beings will set it apart in this race towards zero, at least in the short run. What you see happening now are attempts to stem the tide with diverting costs. Sure, the upside-down remote-controlled mechanical bull symbian show is free, but the panties, raffles, phone numbers, and dates are not. But this isn't a permanent solution, because a constant barrage of ever-increasingly hardcore public displays not only numbs the viewer (see the recent NY Times article about men and porn), but degrades the most valuable a camgirl has: herself. I can't control what any other model does nor does not do, nor can I ask a site touting itself as FREE to be anything but. The only thing I can control is my own body and what I do, and mostly don't, do to it in public.

 

[Dark Passenger]

Not sure if this is the right thread but what the hell i'll post it anyway. I have noticed some models i am thinking of one in particular i won't name her as i'm not sure if its allowed but she has a crazy ass camscore and is in the top 20 yet everytime i am in her room there is hardly ever any people in there and i am yet to see anyone tip her more than 25 tokens.

I think she maybe self tipping i have spoken to several other people and they have the same feeling. I could be wrong but i doubt it. She has no personality refuses to speak and only interacts by typing which is why i find it hard to believe anyone is giving her massive tips offline or when i'm not about.

So whats up with that??

 

[Mikeythegeek]

Not sure if this is the right thread but what the hell i'll post it anyway. I have noticed some models i am thinking of one in particular i won't name her as i'm not sure if its allowed but she has a crazy ass camscore and is in the top 20 yet everytime i am in her room there is hardly ever any people in there and i am yet to see anyone tip her more than 25 tokens.

I think she maybe self tipping i have spoken to several other people and they have the same feeling. I could be wrong but i doubt it. She has no personality refuses to speak and only interacts by typing which is why i find it hard to believe anyone is giving her massive tips offline or when i'm not about.

So whats up with that??

The proper location for this post is the "Bullshit" thread in this section. And you can name names there.

 

[ZoeyMore]

I'm putting my "Leo doesn't give a shit about rules" theory to the test. One of the 1st things I saw on MFC this morning was GemGem fisting herself in public chat. I took a screen cap and emailed it to MFC admins. If they do punish her for it, I'm sure we will hear about it eventually (it seems like the lounge is always talking about things like that). If not, then I think we know that the rules no longer exist and it might as well be a free for all for everyone.

A model I used to love, who is no longer active, MayaNYC, would fist and gape her pussy in free chat daily. She mentioned on cam a few times that she got fined for the shows, but nothing more than 500 tokens.

 

[LilyPink]

Not sure if this is the right thread but what the hell i'll post it anyway. I have noticed some models i am thinking of one in particular i won't name her as i'm not sure if its allowed but she has a crazy ass camscore and is in the top 20 yet everytime i am in her room there is hardly ever any people in there and i am yet to see anyone tip her more than 25 tokens.

I think she maybe self tipping i have spoken to several other people and they have the same feeling. I could be wrong but i doubt it. She has no personality refuses to speak and only interacts by typing which is why i find it hard to believe anyone is giving her massive tips offline or when i'm not about.

So whats up with that??

She does date raffles, and offered sex with her first raffle, so perhaps she's doing that for this one she has atm. She's always PMing too.

 

[Dark Passenger]

Not sure if this is the right thread but what the hell i'll post it anyway. I have noticed some models i am thinking of one in particular i won't name her as i'm not sure if its allowed but she has a crazy ass camscore and is in the top 20 yet everytime i am in her room there is hardly ever any people in there and i am yet to see anyone tip her more than 25 tokens.

I think she maybe self tipping i have spoken to several other people and they have the same feeling. I could be wrong but i doubt it. She has no personality refuses to speak and only interacts by typing which is why i find it hard to believe anyone is giving her massive tips offline or when i'm not about.

So whats up with that??

She does date raffles, and offered sex with her first raffle, so perhaps she's doing that for this one she has atm. She's always PMing too.

She really offered sex in her first raffle? Wow not sure it would be worth the tokens if her cumshows are anything to go by :lol:

I watched her briefly for about 15-20 mins last night and again no tips she ignored the room and was either pming or on her phone constantly and when something asked her why she wasn't talking she replied "i'm busy" a couple of nights ago someone asked the same question about not talking in which her reply that time was "i'm not here to talk" . Maybe she is now using it as an escorting service who knows she wouldn't be the first model to do this.

Somethings definitely not right i just don't get how she can be so far up in the rankings with such a low camscore when others with massive camscores are nowhere to be seen

 

[LadyLuna]

or people fucking dogs with dilods.

nzhere, your reply made me lol.

Thank you.

Weird shit happens. Shocking shit happens. If it's shit, it happens.

Luckily, good stuff happens too.

If it's possible, it will happen somewhere. And someone will actually enjoy it, and someone will actually pay to see it happen. And someone will get all offended that the idea even exists, let alone actually happened or was paid for.

"life is x-rated" is putting it mildly. "Life is every rating ever created, just at different times/places" is a little closer.

I am still abiding by my whole "don't worry what everyone else is doing, worry about what you are doing". I get by without breaking the rules by saying "oh, hun, I'd love to, but it's against the rules and I'm the one that ALWAYS gets caught". It's true- but it doesn't make it less of an excuse. And it seems to work.

Still trying to figure out how to get rid of the beggers. Today, I used "saying pleeeease makes me think of kindergarten, and I don't show my titties to five-year-olds". Then I said "since when did a grown-man use pleeeease? If you know of an example of a grown man saying that in real life, please tell me!"

No one had any, though it wouldn't surprise me if they exist.

/end pointless ramble

 

[FasterMike]

And trust me, you're not checking your watch and there's nothing going on in the back of your mind when you're in group with me sir. Men have died of starvation watching me.

Blatant exaggeration. I was only hospitalized for a short while.

I believe that mfc only has rules for the purposes of defending themselves from potential legal pressure. So long as they have no external pressure they really couldn't possibly care less about infractions.

 

[MilaMilan]

Shall I post what i really think about the rules ? ....
Nahhhhh to early after my 3 month hiatus ....but watch this space as most of you know I do not give a fuck and am perfectly happy to talk about the scams in the top 20 and on MFC ...lol......

And for those who talked about my 'open shows' on MFC ....Yes I do a lot more now than even 6 months ago ...Why ?

I do not tip myself , I dont let my escorts be paid on MFC , I don't have a studio supporting me and I don't fuck my main tippers for tokens..
( all of which is not illegal and any girl must decide herself what to do ...respect to all)

So after losing my biggest tipper to a real physical woman I have increased my hours and also have changed what I do in my room ...If I don't I would have no chance of being were I am now !

Top 20 now means 15.000+ tokens a day ...any girl up there making that by just sitting around being pretty and doing nothing is 100% doing something else .

 

[A_Friend]

Rules? No rules here my friends :violin:
Get this,a model actually pee'd and poo'd into a glass,think that is gross?
She actually drank the pee and held the bit of poo with her teeth then she forced it between her teeth and eat it
She got her 2 fingers,to make her self sick into the glass again and drank that (I was sick)

Wrote to admin leo giving times she did this and all i just told you,did he ban her? :naughty: she was doing it 2 days later

I know you guys and gals really wanted to know that :lol: but i was shocked

 

[LadyLuna]

I am so glad I have 10 minutes to let my stomach settle before my linner (lunch/dinner) is out of the oven....
Do NOT want to clean up abc crab rangoon. Ew.

 

[Bocefish]

I am so glad I have 10 minutes to let my stomach settle before my linner (lunch/dinner) is out of the oven....
Do NOT want to clean up abc crab rangoon. Ew.

Is that a MFC rule or just a warning? :shock:

 

[LadyLuna]

I am so glad I have 10 minutes to let my stomach settle before my linner (lunch/dinner) is out of the oven....
Do NOT want to clean up abc crab rangoon. Ew.

Is that a MFC rule or just a warning? :shock:

Just a warning- to not post about shit like that post above mine that I didn't even quote cause I didn't want to see it in my post.

 

[AlexLady]

That sounds like Swap, lol.

 

[LoveLov]

omg , Mila...... damn girl.....
9 of 10 of of your posts I read so far are about how much you make and how great you are :violin:
I guess your other posts are about other things, but the ones I read have "SPOT LIGHT" on YOU!
Yes, SIR! (Mam) Milla!! :handgestures-salute:

 

[CandieMoose]

I believe that mfc only has rules for the purposes of defending themselves from potential legal pressure. So long as they have no external pressure they really couldn't possibly care less about infractions.

Yes, this is very true. I have talked to Leo about models that constantly break the rules. He said that he had weighed the advantages and disadvantages and that he realized he is better off allowing this sort of behavior for models that are bringing in a lot of tokens. I have heard legally, as long as a model is given a warning he can get out of a lawsuit (if a 12 year old was watching this happen in a public chat for example) but I do not know much about the legal system and minors with porn so don't quote me

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I believe that mfc only has rules for the purposes of defending themselves from potential legal pressure. So long as they have no external pressure they really couldn't possibly care less about infractions.

Yes, this is very true. I have talked to Leo about models that constantly break the rules. He said that he had weighed the advantages and disadvantages and that he realized he is better off allowing this sort of behavior for models that are bringing in a lot of tokens. I have heard legally, as long as a model is given a warning he can get out of a lawsuit (if a 12 year old was watching this happen in a public chat for example) but I do not know much about the legal system and minors with porn so don't quote me

Porn laws vary from state to state and country to country. He might be able to get away with that in Illinois, where he lives, but there's a reason that so many porn sites have that "you must be 18 or older to enter" page. Many states (and maybe the federal government too) require that page. MFC does not have that.

I'll do some digging around to see what I can find about laws concerning porn over the next week. To be honest, Candie; my gut feeling is that you're incorrect there, but I'm not at all certain.

 

[AlexLady]

I believe that mfc only has rules for the purposes of defending themselves from potential legal pressure. So long as they have no external pressure they really couldn't possibly care less about infractions.

Yes, this is very true. I have talked to Leo about models that constantly break the rules. He said that he had weighed the advantages and disadvantages and that he realized he is better off allowing this sort of behavior for models that are bringing in a lot of tokens. I have heard legally, as long as a model is given a warning he can get out of a lawsuit (if a 12 year old was watching this happen in a public chat for example) but I do not know much about the legal system and minors with porn so don't quote me

Porn laws vary from state to state and country to country. He might be able to get away with that in Illinois, where he lives, but there's a reason that so many porn sites have that "you must be 18 or older to enter" page. Many states (and maybe the federal government too) require that page. MFC does not have that.

I'll do some digging around to see what I can find about laws concerning porn over the next week. To be honest, Candie; my gut feeling is that you're incorrect there, but I'm not at all certain.

MFC doesn't have that page for the same reason they have Romanian models; it's not a porn site, it's a cam site. They get around that law.