MFC Rules and warnings

[AmberCutie]

I'm still pretty new here and trying to get the hang of things. And boy do the members really try to tell me "ahhhh, it's cool, you won't get in trouble....TRUST ME!" lmao.....yea right dude, just trying to score a freebie. I have a question though...maybe I'm over looking it or something, but how or can we models browse members? And where do you find the admins? They have profiles? Sorry so many questions, again newbie, and before this, I've never done any camming at all, lol. Thanks in advance :-D

The list of their usernames are in the wiki document. We have no way to browse members, only can see who is on our friend list (the online one, not the profile one) as far as who is on or off.

The thing that's irritating me most right now, is that the girls who are making their own interpretations of the rules tell their members "oh the rules are only blah blah... I can do this it's not against the rules" but they're wrong. Which in turn makes the members think the rules are different than they are, then spread that to other rooms, and so on.

I don't care if girls break rules, that's their decision, but it hurts the masses when they "teach" the members that fawn over them the wrong rules. Because I don't doubt that when a guy is drooling over a girl vibrating herself to climax in free chat, he will believe her when she says that it's not against the rules.

 

[salmaherrick]

I'm still pretty new here and trying to get the hang of things. And boy do the members really try to tell me "ahhhh, it's cool, you won't get in trouble....TRUST ME!" lmao.....yea right dude, just trying to score a freebie. I have a question though...maybe I'm over looking it or something, but how or can we models browse members? And where do you find the admins? They have profiles? Sorry so many questions, again newbie, and before this, I've never done any camming at all, lol. Thanks in advance :-D

The list of their usernames are in the wiki document. We have no way to browse members, only can see who is on our friend list (the online one, not the profile one) as far as who is on or off.

The thing that's irritating me most right now, is that the girls who are making their own interpretations of the rules tell their members "oh the rules are only blah blah... I can do this it's not against the rules" but they're wrong. Which in turn makes the members think the rules are different than they are, then spread that to other rooms, and so on.

I don't care if girls break rules, that's their decision, but it hurts the masses when they "teach" the members that fawn over them the wrong rules. Because I don't doubt that when a guy is drooling over a girl vibrating herself to climax in free chat, he will believe her when she says that it's not against the rules.

Man that's gotta be tough when so many girls are breaking the rules! I have been lurking for a few weeks now and I think it's a shame they don't punish the rule breakers to level the playing field a bit more. Well for a new girl like me, just checking out the site, it's confusing as well. Site says one thing and ya see something completely different going on in each room. Especially when you see the top girls doing it because I am assuming they must be veterans to have such a fan base? As I said, all very confusing.....

 

[TinyTitSlut]

I think it should knock down there cam score, it would make it a little fair on the other models who follow the rules, don't take away there earnings just punish them by lowering the cam score that they worked for. That might teach them a lesson because i know a cam score is important to a lot of models.

 

[AmberCutie]

I think it should knock down there cam score, it would make it a little fair on the other models who follow the rules, don't take away there earnings just punish them by lowering the cam score that they worked for. That might teach them a lesson because i know a cam score is important to a lot of models.

I find it funny that this is the first time that idea has been mentioned. I kinda dig it! lol. Oh PS - MFC mail me for model verification, Miss TTS.

 

[LailaBaise]

Yea, I have thought of this before too, being pinged back to a 1000 cam score for rule breaks, but then that might not have so much the desired effect for some of the big guns in that it would turn into a game for their premiums to see how high they can increase their cam score in like a day or so... Obviously for the girls who fight to maintain an average score it would put them off... so is the elitism of MFC lol

I'm sure in the rules it mentions being removed from Miss MFC for rule breaks...not that this applies obviously, but I could have sworn I have seen that before.

 

[TinyTitSlut]

Yea, I have thought of this before too, being pinged back to a 1000 cam score for rule breaks, but then that might not have so much the desired effect for some of the big guns in that it would turn into a game for their premiums to see how high they can increase their cam score in like a day or so... Obviously for the girls who fight to maintain an average score it would put them off... so is the elitism of MFC lol

I'm sure in the rules it mentions being removed from Miss MFC for rule breaks...not that this applies obviously, but I could have sworn I have seen that before.

Well depending on the rule that was broken a certain amount should be taken off, say for example if a model uses a toy in free that should be an automatic 1000 points off, if they use and object thats not a toy that should be like 100 off (its a lesser offense), so and so fourth. Another thing i have noticed and this has nothing to do with ambers score, but i have noticed with alot of the higher up models who have above 3000 cam scores they are the ones that get away with using the toys and objects that arn't ment for pleasure i.e. there was a model on here who would do anal and use toys and fist all in free and it pissed me off cause im a 1400 cam score model and i know i couldnt get away with that. any thoughts on that?

 

[Bocefish]

Well depending on the rule that was broken a certain amount should be taken off, say for example if a model uses a toy in free that should be an automatic 1000 points off, if they use and object thats not a toy that should be like 100 off (its a lesser offense), so and so fourth.

AnalFistBat would've loved your rules! She could use her entire arsenal of odd chit to stick in her orafices. :lol:

 

[Keithy]

Pretty sure I saw the removed from Miss MFC clause once too.

Well depending on the rule that was broken a certain amount should be taken off, say for example if a model uses a toy in free that should be an automatic 1000 points off, if they use and object thats not a toy that should be like 100 off (its a lesser offense), so and so fourth.

AnalFistBat would've loved your rules! She could use her entire arsenal of odd chit to stick in her orafices. :lol:

Who didn't love AnalFistBat, I mean just the name. Awesome. I would pop into her room just because of her name. I only once saw her use the bat in free chat though.

 

[babe_ruth]

My neighbours/housemates have taken to talking very loudly outside the door to my room.

You might try using a headset mic. You would get a lot less background sound. If it works with your style, it could be good.

 

[babe_ruth]

All in all, a very interesting discussion about mfc rules.

Having been browsing and tipping for only about 5 days, I had no idea about most of those rules until I read this forum. I thought it was completely normal to see closeup nudity and all forms of masturbation in public if people tipped enough.

That doesn't bother me, per se, but I see what you folks are saying about the fairness issue. And they really can't let minors watch unless they change their policy. Sooner or later some attorney general is going to bust their virtual door down.


PS. shout out to AmberDawn who pointed me toward this forum.

 

[AmberCutie]

My neighbours/housemates have taken to talking very loudly outside the door to my room.

You might try using a headset mic. You would get a lot less background sound. If it works with your style, it could be good.

I think that would do more harm than good. No one wants to watch a girl be "sexy" with a headset mic on. :mrgreen:

 

[LilyPink]

My neighbours/housemates have taken to talking very loudly outside the door to my room.

You might try using a headset mic. You would get a lot less background sound. If it works with your style, it could be good.

I think that would do more harm than good. No one wants to watch a girl be "sexy" with a headset mic on. :mrgreen:

Great suggestion! But I have just read that a headset mic annoys members in the other thread so Amber's right. Ohwell fuckit. Nowt I can do about it unless I soundproof the walls.

 

[babe_ruth]

Believe me, I'm not selling these. But it could be worth an experiment.

 

[RufffRider]

now show me a picture of those 3-D glasses that makes them look cool :lol:

 

[whisperwhore]

I think that would do more harm than good. No one wants to watch a girl be "sexy" with a headset mic on. :mrgreen:

I agree... I prefer see a cam girl with a toy in.

 

[AmyLemon]

The string about docking a models camscore if they're caught doing hardcore public shows intrigues me cuz I'm pretty sure I've proven my "tips in public count more towards camscore than tokens earned via any other means" theory to be fact. I've been a group-and-private only model for the better part of a year, and only very recently started to experiment with public shows. Public shows have had a STARTLING effect on my camscore!

My camscore soared about 400 points during/after a "public show", but when you put my total token earnings for that shift into context it wasn't an unusually big night. I was actually on for *more hours* than usual that day, made *precisely* the same amount of tokens as I would in a normal "shorter" shift (which would consist of JUST doing groups and privates), but on that day the majority of tokens came from public tips.

Obviously having ones camscore explode is AWESOME, but I'm a bit peeved that the mysterious super secret camscore system seems to reward public shows over groups and privates, because naturally the equation is in contrast to the "no hardcore public shows" "rule". Of course, the calculation may not be that nefarious, it could just be that tips in general have a greater impact on the score, but naturally it's to be expected that tips are most likely to happen in public chat.

Now, I'm loving the public sexiness and certainly nothing that I do can be considered "hardcore" (geez louise i keep my thong on and just play around it lol) but I think for alot of girls knowing that public tips contribute more to camscore would lead them to pursue more and more extreme public shows. It makes me feel like the deck is stacked against girls who want to work within the "rules".

It's a "no! Bad dog! Don't do that!.. here's a cookie" sort of confusing rewards system lol.

 

[Mirra]

I'll just say there's a lot of potential between public shows with lots of sexiness and penetration and so a girl who wants to follow all the rules can push the envelope to the edge in order to make the sexiest public show for tips possible without full on fucking themselves in public. I don't think public shows are discouraged or against the rules... just public masturbation.

As far as the docking CamScore for lesser offenses, it's an interesting idea. Not sure how feasible it is given the mystery of the measurement known as Camscore but it'd be worth considering in my opinion.

 

[KillerKunt]

Thank you for starting this thread. This is a HOT topic for me.

When a model offers explicit sex acts in Public/Free Chat, it does 3 bad things:

1) It limits member traffic. The hundreds of members watching one model for FREE are simply not available to the rest of us. It creates kind of a member vacume. It limits traffic to & through other rooms. That ONE model & MFC may make money, but it kills the earning power of HUNDREDS of the rest of us who follow the rules.

2) It acts to reset members' expectation/tolerance levels. Ask yourself this: Is a member more or less likely to tip me to flash him if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away?.

3) It limits PAID Group & Private shows. Is a member more or less motivated to take me Private or join in on a Group Show if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away? Why would a member ever PAY to take me into Group or Private when other models are giving it away for FREE ?? The business of HUNDREDS is killed by ONE.

MFC has become a tip optional site. When explicit sex acts are offered in Public/Free Chat, as frequently as they are, what is there to drive members into forced pay options like Group or Private Shows. Obviously, nothing. MFC is prevented from fully exploiting these forced pay options. That's why the lack of rule enforcement is so harmful to the majority of models.

So lets not sit on our asses girls and let this crap continue to happen. Talk to me if you want to stop this shit. There is hope.

 

[RufffRider]

Thank you for starting this thread. This is a HOT topic for me.

When a model offers explicit sex acts in Public/Free Chat, it does 3 bad things:

1) It limits member traffic. The hundreds of members watching one model for FREE are simply not available to the rest of us. It creates kind of a member vacume. It limits traffic to & through other rooms. That ONE model & MFC may make money, but it kills the earning power of HUNDREDS of the rest of us who follow the rules.

2) It acts to reset members' expectation/tolerance levels. Ask yourself this: Is a member more or less likely to tip me to flash him if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away?.

3) It limits PAID Group & Private shows. Is a member more or less motivated to take me Private or join in on a Group Show if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away? Why would a member ever PAY to take me into Group or Private when other models are giving it away for FREE ?? The business of HUNDREDS is killed by ONE.

MFC has become a tip optional site. When explicit sex acts are offered in Public/Free Chat, as frequently as they are, what is there to drive members into forced pay options like Group or Private Shows. Obviously, nothing. MFC is prevented from fully exploiting these forced pay options. That's why the lack of rule enforcement is so harmful to the majority of models.

So lets not sit on our asses girls and let this crap continue to happen. Talk to me if you want to stop this shit. There is hope.

O i remember this, there was a petition and everything.. the girl that started the petition now does shows in public BTW.

MFC makes BANK, learn how to use the system as is instead of trying to reinvent the wheel or add "Smartz" to the end of your model name.

If you want a separate section on MFC for models that don't show i am all for it.

 

[nzhere]

My camscore soared about 400 points during/after a "public show", but when you put my total token earnings for that shift into context it wasn't an unusually big night. I was actually on for *more hours* than usual that day, made *precisely* the same amount of tokens as I would in a normal "shorter" shift (which would consist of JUST doing groups and privates), but on that day the majority of tokens came from public tips.

Obviously having ones camscore explode is AWESOME, but I'm a bit peeved that the mysterious super secret camscore system seems to reward public shows over groups and privates, because naturally the equation is in contrast to the "no hardcore public shows" "rule". Of course, the calculation may not be that nefarious, it could just be that tips in general have a greater impact on the score, but naturally it's to be expected that tips are most likely to happen in public chat.

The Increase in camscore might in fact relate to increase in room traffic? if the tokens made were similar to what you would usually make?

anyone out there want to open multiple tabs in their browser and sit in a models room as 200 "guests" :lol: to test it?

 

[KillerKunt]

Thank you for starting this thread. This is a HOT topic for me.

When a model offers explicit sex acts in Public/Free Chat, it does 3 bad things:

1) It limits member traffic. The hundreds of members watching one model for FREE are simply not available to the rest of us. It creates kind of a member vacume. It limits traffic to & through other rooms. That ONE model & MFC may make money, but it kills the earning power of HUNDREDS of the rest of us who follow the rules.

2) It acts to reset members' expectation/tolerance levels. Ask yourself this: Is a member more or less likely to tip me to flash him if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away?.

3) It limits PAID Group & Private shows. Is a member more or less motivated to take me Private or join in on a Group Show if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away? Why would a member ever PAY to take me into Group or Private when other models are giving it away for FREE ?? The business of HUNDREDS is killed by ONE.

MFC has become a tip optional site. When explicit sex acts are offered in Public/Free Chat, as frequently as they are, what is there to drive members into forced pay options like Group or Private Shows. Obviously, nothing. MFC is prevented from fully exploiting these forced pay options. That's why the lack of rule enforcement is so harmful to the majority of models.

Edited to say: lets sit on our asses girls and continue to let this shit happen.

O i remember this, there was a petition and everything.. the girl that started the petition now does shows in public BTW.

MFC makes BANK, learn how to use the system as is instead of trying to reinvent the wheel or add "Smartz" to the end of your model name.

If you want a separate section on MFC for models that don't show i am all for it.

"Learn how to use the system"? Sure thing sailor.

I bet you are one of those guys who sit on MFC rubbing your cock feverishly raw all day to the girls who churn pussy in FREE? Am I right? and all the while you don't have any tokens?? Want something for free go to a site like youporn. All the free TnA you want is there and you don't need to listen to a model go "just 100 more tokens till I cum, guys". lol.

For the girl who wanted to do a petition to stop "free" shows and now does it herself is a sell out. I may not be a veteran of MFC but I have been there for nearly 7 months. For the record we are not talking about models who don't "show" we are talking about models who break MFC Rules and do "cum shows" in free. Tasteful nudity is allowed in free chat.

 

[RufffRider]

Meh to your personal attacks, you don't know me, i got 5000 reward points some how..churning for free i guess, attacking any member is not good to your bottom line, some where even the wankers have money. I have found it true that beggars don't tip and tippers don't beg. I could say that being a model on MFC makes you a sell out by definition? I don't think thats true though. Funny thing is your just attacking the wrong person, i am trying to state how things are now, there was a time maybe 2 years ago when this argument about free shows was relevant, it is not relevant to argue about anymore, there was a movement and the people with the money crushed it. MFC now exists WITH public shows and some members won't go to those rooms and some members won't go to rooms without them.. there are hundreds of examples of girls that "sold out" as you say, most of the top 20 would fit into your definition.. i would say they just wised up and learned how to make the most money.

 

[bawksy]

Lawlz have you seen the rant in her profile?

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/killerkunt

Kunt, you need to give it up. It's a lost cause.

 

[KillerKunt]

Lawlz have you seen the rant in her profile?

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/killerkunt

Kunt, you need to give it up. It's a lost cause.

Give up why? It's people that say I should give up that just fuels me more. Thanks for that boost.

 

[Jebbaz]

Give up why? It's people that say I should give up that just fuels me more. Thanks for that boost.

Something you should know about Bawksy, he's one big pile o' shit. Just gotta ignore 99% of the shit he says, hes probably just trollin anyways.

 

[bawksy]

No, I'm not trolling. Models bitching about other models breaking the rules isn't going to achieve anything except making them look like whiny bitches. The only way to get MFC to actually change anything is to start affecting their bottom line - which means models need to go to other cam sites.

Also, if you're going to start insulting me, you could at least be witty about it.

 

[bawksy]

I should clarify that I'm not faulting anyone who is complaining here on the forums about the rule breaking - that's what the forums are for. But putting it in your profile is a little overboard. Talk about a boner kill.

 

[Keithy]

Thank you for starting this thread. This is a HOT topic for me.

When a model offers explicit sex acts in Public/Free Chat, it does 3 bad things:

1) It limits member traffic. The hundreds of members watching one model for FREE are simply not available to the rest of us. It creates kind of a member vacume. It limits traffic to & through other rooms. That ONE model & MFC may make money, but it kills the earning power of HUNDREDS of the rest of us who follow the rules.

2) It acts to reset members' expectation/tolerance levels. Ask yourself this: Is a member more or less likely to tip me to flash him if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away?.

3) It limits PAID Group & Private shows. Is a member more or less motivated to take me Private or join in on a Group Show if he knows that FREE explicit sex is just a few clicks away? Why would a member ever PAY to take me into Group or Private when other models are giving it away for FREE ?? The business of HUNDREDS is killed by ONE.

MFC has become a tip optional site. When explicit sex acts are offered in Public/Free Chat, as frequently as they are, what is there to drive members into forced pay options like Group or Private Shows. Obviously, nothing. MFC is prevented from fully exploiting these forced pay options. That's why the lack of rule enforcement is so harmful to the majority of models.

So lets not sit on our asses girls and let this crap continue to happen. Talk to me if you want to stop this shit. There is hope.

This is called a "market" the commodity offered is your body. They are offering theirs up wholesale and reaping the markets rewards. Your perspective seems to make it seem like it's all their fault you get no traffic, however I would hazard to guess AmberCutie and many others are doing well even in a similar market. Amber doesn't do free shows. Amber is fun to watch and a lot of people tip her without expecting a thing in return. There are even models that don't get naked, but still manage to do well.
Honestly from these few posts on this thread I can surmise that you have lost at least three potential customers today. Not because of other girls giving free shows, but because of YOU and your attitude. Placing this blame on others will prevent you from overcoming this issue.
So it limits the members to view you, when the members that are looking for a cheap wank are what you're looking for. Amber attracts all types, but most people aren't the type looking for a cheap wank (unless they can get off to her dancing naked, which she does well). Aim for a different group of people as you see with people like Amber and others.
It has done nothing to change my expectations at all. Members learn who the models they wank to and throw nickles at and which models they have hours of fun talking to are. The cheap wank can change daily, the hours of fun tends to stay close knit. People tip the fun more than the wank.
It limits paid shows in that you're not getting the paid shows you want to be getting. Amber refuses to do privates. Amber also only does group shows when she wants (and afaik every time she wants she gets it). Perhaps when a particular song comes on you say "this song get me hot, lets go group" and see how that works. If you're a girl people want to see, they'll jump in.
The most important part is, if you're not having fun, or your room isn't having fun, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Bocefish]

From KillerKunt's profile:

Hey MODELS stop fucking yourself in FREE!!!! You are messing with the livelihood of hundreds of other models who follow the rules when you do that shit!

Hey KK, perhaps you need a teep. MODELS are not doing anything to your livelihood, YOU ARE with your self-righteous attitude. The other models know the so-called rules and are doing what they choose to in order to pay the bills and get ahead. All you can do is run your room the way you want. Berating other models and premium members is precisely the way to fail on MFC and just about every other cam site.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I hate to say it, but I agree with Bawksy. Before I kill myself over that fact, let me say the following...

Most of the rule followers don't like the rule breakers. Unfortunately, many of the rule breakers also bring in big money to themselves and MFC. And that's all the admins care about at the end of the day.

That's not to say it's wrong to hate it. I would say that the majority of the people on these forums don't like it. But there's a place to do that bitching. Doing it on cam or on your profile isn't that place because it doesn't make you look good. It makes you look petty and that's not something that will drive members to you.

The best thing a model can do is to just go on cam and have fun and enjoy their job. 99% of the models on MFC succeed or fail based solely on their own merits over the long term. No amount of rule breaking can change that.

And remember, MFC is drawing over 2 million unique visitors a month. I can't tell how many premium members there are, but I'm pretty sure it's plenty. So there's a lot of room for a rule follower to be very successful on MFC. Just look at the girl who runs this site.

On a side note- it would be great if someone could figure out who gets in the top 20 more: rule followers or rule breakers. It could be an interesting study.