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This is getting to be very interesting. Like the tweet says, I'm wondering exactly how much this will be enforced. I remember back in the day when the "18+" warnings had to be put up, people were very concerned about it. But, it amounted to nothing really.
Sad times...
Sad times...
All raffles (including most Charlesbot raffles) are illegal at a federal level under Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. There are also illegal under most state laws also. They have also being going for probably a decade on various cam website, with no prosecution. So I'm really puzzled why MFC would care about FOSTA laws which frankly doesn't seem targeted at camsites and ignore the gambling laws.
It's just donations under another heading.most guys know they aren't winning anything. The hottest girls do date raffles and get that one sugar daddy who buys 1000 tickets..
Still it could lead to complaining or some weird guy doing stuff etc..
Still it could lead to complaining or some weird guy doing stuff etc..
Because if they don't outwardly comply they risk being looked at more deeply by people starting to wonder how out of nowhere top models from countries outside the US show up and win...
I think they realize this is much more focused on the content that adult websites allow than any previous gamgling/raffle laws were.
Or date raffle for the "best blow job in the world!" and the "winner" secretly was the model's boyfriend ( yeah, you know who you are... and I know you're reading this.)
We get enough bullshit troll posts like this on twitter, let's not sink to this level on ACF.
I've seen models do raffles for iphones, apple watches etc on mfc. I can't find that it's forbidden in the rules but still don't think that this should be allowed on a camsite.
Hope it's okay to post it. If not apology and please delete:
https://profiles.myfreecams.com/TriciaFox Raffle for an apple watch
15 girls have raffle in their topics, three were for dates.
https://profiles.myfreecams.com/TriciaFox Raffle for an apple watch
15 girls have raffle in their topics, three were for dates.
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Why the witch hunt? The ToS just changed today, many girls are not on the loop.
Wasn't my intention, tried to avoid making an unfounded statement with the raffles for things like iphone, watches etc. If I overstepped, I apologize.
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Why would they risk raising red flags when it's unnecessary?
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Someone on twitter informed me that raffles that don't involve real money (tokens,chips etc) are not illegal. The little bit of googling I did seemed to support that. I'd always believed they were illegal..can anyone she'd some light on this statement? I had made a tweet under cammodelexpress explaining raffles are technically illegal and deleted it after the person replied since I don't want to give out inaccurate info
It's been interesting how much drama this has stirred up. Lots of political debate of course.. people blaming Democrats and republicans. This bill won by a landslide and was very bipartisan. Everyone did it. And so many models using it as an excuse to shit all over things other models do.
Raffles for items. Raffles in general. Date raffles. Escorts.skypes. I wish everyone would chill and focus on supporting each other for once.
Here's something helpful: a work around for the new rule. Instead of offering a meeting for tokens offer a restaurant gift card, or concert tickets for two. Say that the person can take who they like.
The problem? It means u cant be as blatantly clear on the advert as before. This increases chances for miscommunications, and for winning members to expect say.. an escort service when u really legit only want a platonic date .
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Because the whole issue surrounding this is that sites are now held liable for anything that resembles trafficking, so anything that leads to meeting IRL is off the table. It doesn't matter what does or does not occur after the fact, they can't appear to promote it.
Most laws target the the people breaking the law, not the service providers. So there may be less liability there.
At one point there was a whole debate if ATT should be held liable for crimes committed through their phone service.
FOSTA specially targets service providers.
It's one of these rules that I didn't think would be necessary, because I figured such offers wouldn't exist in the first place. Guess I'm terribly naive sometimes.
Yes ma'am, I promise I'll play nice. (anyone know if there's an "I'm sorry, here's a dozen roses" emoji? I really don't want to piss off AmberCutie...thanks)
IANAL so if the person on twitter is a lawyer, then it would be interesting in to see their rationale why it isn't illegal.
Reading the law that I linked to here are the definitions.
(1)Bet or wager.—The term “bet or wager”—
(A)means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;
(B)includes the purchase of a chance or opportunity to win a lottery or other prize (which opportunity to win is predominantly subject to chance);
Tokens are clearly something of value since they are purchased with dollars and can be redeemed for items like videos (on MFCshare). Plus the same video can be purchased directly with dollars on places like ManyVids. The element of chance is obvious in charlesbot or drawing raffle tickets. Now if your charlesbot prize is something like a small, or you can call yourself a winner than it is probably perfectly legal.
I played a fair amount of online poker before it got shut down by the 2006 law, I also participated in the online poker forums much like ACF. Lots of folks taked about schemes to work around the law on the forums. A number of online poker sites tried various approaches involving letting user purchases tokens which weren't reedemable for cash, but eventually could be redeemed for gift cards and such. They also included options to play for free. They pay versions all got shut down eventually.
But what really matters is enforcement. It is pretty obvious that law enforcement has bigger fish to fry than cracking down on gambling on camsites, or copyright violations on camsites. I suspect the same thing is true for date raffles.
After feeling like Sherlock Holmes for discovering the phone raffle I feel like the dumbest girl right now, because it doesn't seem to be an uncommon thing at all doing raffles for items. My mind is blown away right now.
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No I've done many. Can you explain why it shouldn't be allowed? I buy want item, fill it with content, raffle it. I've also talked off my artwork, photos, mugs etc. It kind of upset me to read that you think that's something bad?
Can you elaborate on why you think they shouldn’t be allowed? You do realize there are a lot of archaic laws on books that outlaw all sorts of unexpected stuff. The one a lot of people cite is jaywalking. Also, poorly written laws like FOSTA/SESTA overreach and are ripe for abuse for applying to a whole host of things outside of its original intent. I would expect as a cam model, you would lean toward solidarity against laws that threaten your choice of work especially when it comes to something so harmless like a nondate prize raffle. The legion of women not involved in sex work are already very willing to deem all sex workers lower than pond scum and throw you to the wolves. If as a cam model you are not thinking of pushing back, then the golden days of cam modeling is truly behind us.
It became a thing in like... 2010ish.
I did an auction during my top 3 run that year that involved an iPad, xbox, game simulator, nintendo DS...
People like getting things from their favorite cam models, even if they aren't sexual in nature.
And I fear what we've already seen with Skype and Wordpress and a bunch of others is just the tip of the iceberg. These companies aren't going to take the time to sift through what's legitimate, consenting, legal sex work, and what's illegal trafficking, so there'll just be a blanket ban on anything "adult". I expect the likes of Snapchat and Twitter to follow suit pretty shortly. It sucks. We're basically on the verge of mass censorship and it will benefit precisely noone.
With the exception of Twitter, the TOS of almost all services already prohibited adult content. For example here is the first item in Snapchat's community guidelines.
Has Sanpchat shut down models accounts?. Yes. Is it a majority?. Not even close, there is only one model out of roughly a dozen Snapchats I follow that was shut down and her non-nude tease account was left intact. Snapchat faces far bigger legal issues, with child porn law with teens sending nude snaps to each other.
The valuation of social media platforms is based primarily on their monthly active users and especially on their daily active users. If they clamp down on adult content that hurts those numbers. So companies do have an incentive to turn a blind eye on porn. FOSTA has to go through court battle (applying the law retroactively seems almost certainly unconstitutional) Justice Department guidelines need to be developed. Despite the sky-is-falling hysteria of what might happen, the reason for the law was to make criminal prosecution of sex traffickers easier. That's probably going to be the initial focus. Folks this is the Federal government we are talking about, nothing gets down quickly, especially with incompetent bozos in this administration.
Britain passed the Digital Economy Act, which required age id for all adult website a year ago. In particular for a site like MFC, practically it would require user entering a credit card number to view MFC.
The law was supposed go into effect in April, but it has been delayed again. Bob, you live in the UK have seen any changes to MFC in the UK?. Any UK models impacted by the law?
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