Looking for models that want traffic

[WebcamStartup]

But then again, has Leo (MFC) ever cammed on his site? Think about it.

 

[Magnolia]

Normally I don't like namedropping or announcing things until they officially happen. Really tempted to do the same. Also really temped to pull the trigger and have her announce in the models only section. Not quite ready to pull the trigger though. A couple things need to happen first.

I will go ahead and break tradition though. @Princess Mika is the first girl I've vetted. She wants to come in on Webcam Startup and I also want to bring her in on my studio operation once it's ready to scale. (currently partnered with Holly Rydem, not a member here, but very, very, savvy, great girl, glad to be working with her)

I absolutely respect @Princess Mika and her opinions. I would love to hear her side of this. I think she would be very good to continue to be extremely critical as well, which I think has saved her from other sites and ventures in her camming career that were soon to possibly crash (BongaCams comes to mind...). Did you go to him, Mika, or did he come to you? Do you feel you are taking a risk or do you feel secure in this venture?

Also @WebcamStartup, you are creating a studio? Physical studio? Do you have experience working in a studio?

 

[Empress Mika]

Would you mind linking me to the models who give away free porn for commercial use to random dudes on the internet in exchange for promises? I would really love to catch one cause it's missing on my Pokedex.

Yeah. ModelCentro.com. Models can run their own affiliate programs and they do. Providing affiliates with FHGs and zipped content has actually been a REQUESTED feature.

I'd like to clarify this a little bit because there was some confusion in the ModelCentro Model's Only thread.

As a model with a membership site on ModelCentro, you can choose whether or not you would like to have an affiliate program. You do not have to, it's a choice. ModelCentro does not freely distribute anything.

If you choose not to have an affiliate program, you are on your own for promoting and marketing yourself in order to get sign ups to your membership site.

If, however, you choose to have an affiliate program then yes, you then would create a zipped package folder with promotional materials for people (your affiliates) to use to promote you. The zipped package is all under your control, you select everything, and it typically includes photos and videos. If there is nothing in this folder, then typically affiliates will save whatever images and videos they can off of the public areas of your site to use that to promote your site. The zipped package feature is a newer feature on ModelCentro and it was highly requested by both models (who wanted more control over what affiliates use to promote them) and the affiliates (who wanted more content and materials to use to promote the model's websites). Affiliates will get a cut (25%-50%) of the membership sale and re-bills, typically. - of all sales that they bring you. This leaves you (the model) with the reminder, minus the 10% billing fee and 25% of ModelCentro's cut.

I hope this provides more clarity about ModelCentro's affiliate program. I don't think this can be compared to models "giving away free porn for commercial use in exchange for promises". I think it's "models providing promotional content that they choose and are in control of, for an agreed revenue split for affiliates to use, to increase their chances at gaining more sign ups to their membership site."

It seems the OP is asking for something similar - content to promote models - but what the models get in exchange is not quite clear to me. Perhaps just "more traffic" to your Chaturbate room, due to the exposure? It would be nice to know where said content would be showing up and what marketing plans he has? I think this is where the confusion lies in this thread, in my opinion.

 

[Serenity_Tam]

But then again, has Leo (MFC) ever cammed on his site? Think about it.

Leo provides a useful service. I can't believe you would make the comparison. There is zero logic in it. At. all.

No one really gets down on people for actually being useful to us when they use us for money. Leo provides a service that is a tangible real benefit. Without Leo many of us wouldn't make money at all.

Whether you like it or not dude, you use us for money. You might not take money directly from us, but you use us to make your money. And it's of no benefit to us. That's just how it is. I don't know why you're trying to argue. If you don't like it ... then change the way you operate. It's just kind of infuriating to see that you know how so many of us feel about this kind of thing but you totally write us off to your advantage. I get it though. Business or whatevs. Camgirls are easy to use to make money off of as an already marginalized occupation.


But yeah. I think most camgirls would agree .... giving content for exposure to a start up dude is ... pointless? Especially when most of us have the skills to do this ourselves and make the affiliate dollars.

 

[AerynShade]

Creating a legit cam or clip site is different from being a promoter. You've not been around long, but we do get excited when new companies show up here and ask us our opinions on what we are looking for in new cam or clips sites.

 

[WebcamStartup]

I absolutely respect @Princess Mika and her opinions. I would love to hear her side of this. I think she would be very good to continue to be extremely critical as well, which I think has saved her from other sites and ventures in her camming career that were soon to possibly crash (BongaCams comes to mind...). Did you go to him, Mika, or did he come to you? Do you feel you are taking a risk or do you feel secure in this venture?

Also @WebcamStartup, you are creating a studio? Physical studio? Do you have experience working in a studio?

Well, she's in this thread, holler at her Mika is awesome. I love boss girls (which is why I love all of you, even though tons of you hate me).

It was a bunch of hypotheticals being floated in a series of email chains. I did mention that when I started, I was seeking collaboration, but nobody thought it was worthwhile. She kind of realized how competitive the vertical is. She has submitted paid guest posts.....Or at least *A* post. Conversations evolve. Especially since I have a couple other projects in the skunkworks, and many of them Mika would make a GREAT fit as a partner. We're talking quite a bit. I did commit to bringing her onto Webcam Startup, at least. She has an email that works as a verbal contract.

No experience in the studio scene. It's digital. I've been able to negotiate 100% rates (studio cut comes out of network's earnings, not models. They make just as much independent models would) and also offering value-added services such as DMCA protection and takedowns, consolidated payments, more frequent payments and all that fun shit you'd expect like consultation (which no girls here need it) and promotion.

I've got a great co-owner, 6 years experience (don't quote me, might be +/-1), very receptive, very open minded (I'd love to have the Holly/Mika thought collision, as I feel they both compliment each other) very savvy. Very good on the B2B side (Business-to-business, if I need to elaborate), I've actually got her on the Naked.com payroll because of it.

Also got ex-porn producers (I've got tons of agenda in Atlanta) who want me to figure out some kind of franchise-type deal so they can leverage my 100% payouts. Also got some foreign entities interested in something similar, as they all want access to USD/Euro.

.....Ya know, go ahead and quiz Mika on this. Her word means more than mine, and she's grilled me on the exact same topic. In fact, I think her calling me out on the exact same thing was our epic icebreaker

Leo provides a service that is a tangible real benefit. Without Leo many of us wouldn't make money at all.

AVN caliber models have found value in my site, thank you very much. Feel free to keep hating me, but many, many, many models have found value in what I'm doing. Same with network owners, the tech companies behind those networks and many more in the industry. Believe it or not, I do provide value.

Yes, I'm making money off models, but before I was ranked, it was ICAMZ, Internet Modeling and Paradise Kitty. That was my main competition. Hopefully I'm one notch up the totem pole from them, in all your minds, at least.....

And it's not comparing apples and oranges. Okay, maybe it was, but it's proving a point. Plenty of models are finding value in products and services produced by non-models. It happens. Feel free to hate on it, it's okay. I've made enemies in every vertical I've dealt with. You can't do business without being despised by someone. This community especially hates me though, I've found.

 

[Empress Mika]

Normally I don't like namedropping or announcing things until they officially happen. Really tempted to do the same. Also really temped to pull the trigger and have her announce in the models only section. Not quite ready to pull the trigger though. A couple things need to happen first.

I will go ahead and break tradition though. @Princess Mika is the first girl I've vetted. She wants to come in on Webcam Startup and I also want to bring her in on my studio operation once it's ready to scale. (currently partnered with Holly Rydem, not a member here, but very, very, savvy, great girl, glad to be working with her)

I'm not really sure why my name is being used in this thread, seemingly to help your credibility here? Then, to insult me by saying I'm not open minded and critical but somehow that's okay because I'm a perfectionist? Or something. -_-; I don't like it. I also did not announce [site name redacted by admin] at all and I feel that you are completely out of your place to announce my projects to anyone (when it's clear the website is totally not done) or even to openly discuss our conversations on a public forum. Please stop.

I feel I have to respond a little bit to what you said... -_-; So, allow me to clarify. We have had a lot of conversations but nothing has been set in stone, to my knowledge. I appreciate your advice on SEO topics and the like because you are much more experienced than me in that area. I feel I have also given you a lot of advice and help, too.

I did offer to help with Webcam Startup because, as I've said to you, you look sleazy, the site looks sleazy, and that is your reputation here and elsewhere. Even in this very thread, you come across so... hard to understand, to put it nicely. In my opinion, you desperately need a model's point of view on your site. I've tried to help that and offer what I could do. Like it or not, webcam startup's site is pretty high on the search engines and it was my goal to repair and refine what I could, for the good of the camming community. That's also why I started my own personal project (Camming Guides >.>) and wrote tons of stuff for the Cam Girl Wiki. To date, I've written one article for you and I hope to continue to write more, in the future.

 

[WebcamStartup]

Creating a legit cam or clip site is different from being a promoter. You've not been around long, but we do get excited when new companies show up here and ask us our opinions on what we are looking for in new cam or clips sites.

You're very right. 1.5 years, less than a year being serious about it. I look forward to becoming seasoned. I also look forward to garnering everyone's respect. If it doesn't happen; that's life. I'm used to it. I'm a Libertarian, I'm hated by everyone already

 

[WebcamStartup]

Okay, looks like I'm off the hook on that verbal contract via email. Thanks Mika!

 

[Serenity_Tam]

Dude. It's not making a point except that you're condescending like whoa. Instead of deciding everyone hates you ... how about listening to the things said here istead of telling everyone they're sooooo wrong. and you're soooo hated.

You say you are valued. You say you do a service. Show us the receipts.

 

[Empress Mika]

I absolutely respect @Princess Mika and her opinions. I would love to hear her side of this. I think she would be very good to continue to be extremely critical as well, which I think has saved her from other sites and ventures in her camming career that were soon to possibly crash (BongaCams comes to mind...). Did you go to him, Mika, or did he come to you? Do you feel you are taking a risk or do you feel secure in this venture?

We met on the ModelCentro forums, actually, when he was talking about starting a studio. I thought he was trying to make money from models via that studio, in which I called him out for it, which got us talking via e-mail. To summarize, I think he means well and isn't trying to take money away from model's directly or be a sleaze ball. I learned a lot about SEO and web stuff from him and appreciated his knowledge on these topics.

Okay, looks like I'm off the hook on that verbal contract via email. Thanks Mika!

This just... wow....

 

[Magnolia]

I'm not really sure why my name is being used in this thread, seemingly to help your credibility here? Then, to insult me by saying I'm not open minded and critical but somehow that's okay because I'm a perfectionist? Or something. -_-; I don't like it. I also did not announce [redacted] at all and I feel that you are completely out of your place to announce my projects to anyone (when it's clear the website is totally not done) or even to openly discuss our conversations on a public forum. Please stop.

I feel I have to respond a little bit to what you said... -_-; So, allow me to clarify. We have had a lot of conversations but nothing has been set in stone, to my knowledge. I appreciate your advice on SEO topics and the like because you are much more experienced than me in that area. I feel I have also given you a lot of advice and help, too.

I did offer to help with Webcam Startup because, as I've said to you, you look sleazy, the site looks sleazy, and that is your reputation here and elsewhere. Even in this very thread, you come across so... hard to understand, to put it nicely. In my opinion, you desperately need a model's point of view on your site. I've tried to help that and offer what I could do. Like it or not, webcam startup's site is pretty high on the search engines and it was my goal to repair and refine what I could, for the good of the camming community. That's also why I started my own personal project (Camming Guides >.>) and wrote tons of stuff for the Cam Girl Wiki. To date, I've written one article for you and I hope to continue to write more, in the future.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond, I'm sorry you got dragged into this. I was hoping more for a model working with him to come of their own accord or have already given permission to be mentioned. I respect everything you do and your response was most helpful.

I think it would be wise if you deleted the section mentioning her project if you have the ability to edit your post, @WebcamStartup

 

[WebcamStartup]

This just... wow....

Your the one that stated it. I'd love you on the team, but I'm not feeling the love right here.

 

[WebcamStartup]

Another reason, I don't like announcing shit until it happens.......

Also, what's wrong with me plugging her project? She should have support on it. Much more than me, at least.

 

[Mila_]

Well, this thread has changed my perception on a few things for the worse. I now also believe you are a weak person for pulling a camgirl into this without asking her first and using her reputation to sustain yours simply because you cannot shoulder some criticism. Sad.

This is what I will say to you: I have worked revshare myself (not cam-related) and I dont use all your pompous vocab to express myself because it makes you sound like a teenager and also because I want people to actually understand what I am saying. I am only working with CrakRevenue at the moment. And I have to say that in my experience 99% of affiliate marketing and revshare is about stealing other people's content and using it to get sign ups. The people whos content you are using never see a dime of it. So it is really stupid for a camgirl to "jump on board" with proposals like this even IF the person who approached her promises to split the revenue with her. Why? Because if most sponsors are already shaving your signups and lying about it on your control panel, how can you even trust a midman that cant even prove what he is getting paid? He will swindle you. And you know all of this. You also know that most people who are in yojr line of work will use the fact that camgirls are indie and some of them are candid and wide-eyed and have money and tend to easily fall prey to these schemes. They sign up with shady companies to handle parts of her business when they hear a lot of promises or let some guy use her content to "help her".

But this is the main problem with the OP: he is not even offering to send traffic to your own website in exchange for the content so the model might actually get people to sign up and pay her, he wants to send traffic to her Chaturbate room and a model already pays Chaturbate 50% of what she makes for traffic that they are actually pretty great at delivering. How is OP's traffic going to be of any use when they already saw porn of the model for free? Not only that but any of the 1000s of potential tippers that pass by her room every day on CB will now look up her name on Google and find free porn of her, free of charge at OPs website or social media. So it will hurt her sales and also give HIM traffic. And he isnt even promising to share revenue with the model. Bad bad decision to take a guy like this seriously.

 

[Empress Mika]

Another reason, I don't like announcing shit until it happens.......

Also, what's wrong with me plugging her project? She should have support on it. Much more than me, at least.

I feel it was not your place to announce my project. That should be for me to announce. I told you about it in confidence, since we were discussing SEO and affiliate marketing stuff. As you can and now everyone else can see, my website isn't done and I've done 0 promotion for it. It has 1 article and an incomplete list. Why on earth do I want this announced publicly, yet? I wanted it to have at least 10+ articles before giving the link out to everyone. Worse yet, it's been announced, not as an exciting new resource (the way I wanted it to be), but as something seemingly to help your credibility because you gave me some advice on the SEO side of things for it. I'm very upset by this.

I also don't appreciate you telling others about our conversations, on a public forum, and making it seem like we're team members when, in reality, nothing has been set in stone, to my knowledge. This is very confusing to me.

I'm going to take some time to process all of this.

 

[WebcamStartup]

This is cute. Mika, you already know

I feel it was not your place to announce my project. That should be for me to announce. I told you about it in confidence, since we were discussing SEO and affiliate marketing stuff. As you can and now everyone else can see, my website isn't done and I've done 0 promotion for it. It has 1 article and an incomplete list. Why on earth do I want this announced publicly, yet? I wanted it to have at least 10+ articles before giving the link out to everyone. Worse yet, it's been announced, not as an exciting new resource (the way I wanted it to be), but as something seemingly to help your credibility because you gave me some advice on the SEO side of things for it. I'm very upset by this.

I also don't appreciate you telling others about our conversations, on a public forum, and making it seem like we're team members when, in reality, nothing has been set in stone, to my knowledge. This is very confusing to me.

I'm going to take some time to process all of this.

Eh, looking at the email that was a verbal agreement on partnership. It's when I suggested a second article, and you referenced full partnership instead of the similar agreement. Also looking at the emails leading up to it. Can forward if you want. See you're opening my emails right now.

Oh, to the person that asked; This is why I don't like announcing things premature.

Ask Amber to delete these posts if you want. I know her policy. Also ask her to delete my account. I can do without this community.

 

[WebcamStartup]

Don't matter though, I'm done here. You all have a nice life. I wish you all the best, and I also thank you for everything. I've learned a lot from you all. Seriously, even as just a lurker.

Cheers!

 

[Magnolia]

Oh, to the person that asked; This is why I don't like announcing things premature.

Then don't make claims prematurely that you can't back up. Or, you know, let the model come in herself and do the talking or if you're going to mention her or her projects make sure it's something that you actually have permission to talk about publicly. You could have easily just mentioned her name or sent her a message asking her to come in herself.

Don't matter though, I'm done here. You all have a nice life. I wish you all the best, and I also thank you for everything. I've learned a lot from you all. Seriously, even as just a lurker.

Cheers!

Oh, I see. Well, nevermind then.

 

[Mila_]

This is what you get when you make a stupid decision trusting someone you dont know online. These guys are all the same. It is the same attitude everywhere. He doesnt mind taking a dump on a partner to save some face on an internet forum he doesnt even want to remain a member of. That is how little he valued you, Mika, I hope you take a lesson away from this.

Also, SEO is the shittiest traffic you can get. You want to cultivate a following that is actually invested in what you have to say. Just for anyone reading this. Info on optimizing SEO is worth nothing and Google changes the algorithm constantly.

 

[Magnolia]

This is what you get when you make a stupid decision trusting someone you dont know online. These guys are all the same. It is the same attitude everywhere. He doesnt mind taking a dump on a partner to save some face on an internet forum he doesnt even want to remain a member of. That is how little he valued you, Mika, I hope you take a lesson away from this.

And if the only name he mentions doesn't want to be affiliated with him like he says they are, it says quite a lot about all people he was working with. AKA: Probably people who feel the same way as Mika.

Sorry if I caused a shit-storm here, but I am absolutely exhausted by these types of people. They tend to be the loud minority and ruin it for actually experienced entrepreneurs and industry veterans trying to get their foot in the door with a project that could actually be profitable to all involved.

Edit: I also want to publicly apologize for being the catalyst to Mika being dragged into this. I backed a desperate person into a corner and he brought her into the discussion unwillingly. I could have definitely handled my approach better, and for that I'm sorry.

 

[fandango]

Here's some free business advice.

Sometimes when dealing with people who are potential clients or partners you wish to work with in the future you need to check your ego.

Also don't throw people who are already helping you under the bus and then when called out on it still refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing backing the bus up and getting them again.

With these simple steps perhaps you won't be so hated in your future endeavours.

 

[AmberCutie]

Ask Amber to delete these posts if you want. I know her policy. Also ask her to delete my account. I can do without this community.

If the bolded is true, you'd know I'm not willing to delete posts/this thread, nor your account. I'll deactivate the account, but having these posts/your username up serves as proper warning/explanation as to WTF went on to make so many people dislike you.

I have, however, edited out the prematurely leaked site name since @Princess Mika is a cam girl veteran of ACF and I respect the way she was trying to go about the launch of her project without announcing it before it's ready.

What a shit storm!

 

[Guy]

If the bolded is true, you'd know I'm not willing to delete posts/this thread, nor your account. I'll deactivate the account, but having these posts/your username up serves as proper warning/explanation as to WTF went on to make so many people dislike you.

I have, however, edited out the prematurely leaked site name since @Princess Mika is a cam girl veteran of ACF and I respect the way she was trying to go about the launch of her project without announcing it before it's ready.

What a shit storm!

WOW. Didn't expect him to leave like that. What happened to him? Up until this thread he wasn't like that at all.

 

[yummybrownfox]

What happened to him? Up until this thread he wasn't like that at all.

Sure he was. He just hid it well. That's what people do when they are trying to get into your good graces. The minute you call them out on something, or tell them something they don't wanna hear, that is when shit hits the fan.

 

[yummybrownfox]

But he was on here for about 6 months.

And there have been other ACF members (who shall remain nameless) who'd been here a few YEARS before it was finally clear to everyone the kind of person they were.

 

[JoleneBrody]

O.O

 

[mynameisbob84]

So... now seems like as good a time as any to announce that Mika and I are official partners for my new project, Bobult Industries Ltd. Basically we're set to revolutionise the adult industry (or as it will soon come to be known, the 'bobult industry'). Basically you send us - but really me, Mika's busy - a folder containing all your content, and in return we'll generate more traffic for you than you'll know what to do with. By the time I've promoted you on Twitter* and my blog**, your traffic will increase by up to 100%***. Just send your content to my inbox here and leave Mika out of this because while this is a 100% genuine venture and she has totally, definitely placed all her trust in me and absolutely knows all about this project which is totally a real thing, I don't want to use her standing in this community to further my own goals. So she's a silent partner and should probably just not be dragged in to this. In fact, just don't mention this to her at all.

* I have 72 followers
** Blog has not been updated in a year
*** Based on the assumption that you have no more than 1 weekly customer. Results may vary

 

[EllieGeorge]

Hell, models, if you want promotion I'll give it to you for free, actually free. No free-to-me porn required. My web presence is pretty damn well established already.

I even have a white label and do affiliate marketing on various other sites if you feel the deep feverish need to have your image used for another's financial gain. Just @ me on twitter or message me on tumblr with your ads. Or I can pop by your live cam sessions and take a screenshot. Or link your gifs from clips4sale. Just want to give back to my community.

I mean... if you're offering

 

[fandango]

And there have been other ACF members (who shall remain nameless) who'd been here a few YEARS before it was finally clear to everyone the kind of person they were.

I'm just waiting for the right moment to unleash the giant asshole that I am.