Lily Cade and "The Great Twitter War of June 2014"

[Kokoro]

Opinion time!

I follow Lily Cade on Twitter and my Twitter feed has been blown up recently regarding something now described as "The Great Twitter war of June 2014".

Chelsea Poe, a pre- or non-op transsexual woman (a human being with a penis and testicles) asked me to cast her in my lesbian porn. I said no, and she accused me of transphobia, and it could have been left at that, but people piled on and piled on and I stood there and fought it because this whole thing is coming from a place of refusal to face reality… and I don’t believe in suffering delusion.

Frankly, I still don’t think Chelsea and Thelma [Sleaze] and all these other uptight, immature people understand why I went to war with them. I tried nuance and I tried grace and I tried everything in my arsenal but if you can’t grow up I can’t drag you kicking and screaming into the light.

What Chelsea asked me to do was to spend my capital, my energy, the trust of my fanbase that I have built up over six years in porn, to fight for her cause: her cause of proving she is attractive. Chelsea asked me to give her work in my movies. Every time I cast a movie I can’t include all my friends and lovers and the women I think are beautiful and the women who I like fucking, but Chelsea demanded that in the name of “equality” I give one of those roles to her and pay for someone to fuck her, so that she could wave her dick in the faces of my lesbian porn fans to make some point about how they should stop being bigots and accept that she’s hot.

Attraction isn't bigotry. I fully support the creation of porn that speaks to all kinds of people. I do to some extent, and have many friends who create porn that features non mainstream looks, that showcases new things that maybe people didn’t know they were into, and speaks to some larger truth about the world. I’m not exactly Brazzers. I don’t make assembly line porn.

Personally, I think she is right. I don't agree with her on a lot of things, but basically what it boils down to is that she is 100% lesbian, not pan. She only has sex with women. Why should she be accused of being transphobic because she doesn't want to have sex with anyone who has previously been male in the past? It's her website. She can pick and choose the women she wants to do scenes with. There was also mention of her not casting BBW's in her films also because she is not attracted to them either. There is no need for people to hate on others based on what they are attracted to. That's just childish.

Chelsae Poe also claimed that Cade not casting her was employment discrimination because she didn't fit the LA porn image being a trans woman and how getting discriminated in a vanilla job is the same as getting turned down for a porn scene. When I went to LA to do porn, I learned that the hard way. I was told by an agent at ATMLA that I didn't fit the "LA porn image" because I had red hair and a pasty complexion. They really do discriminate hard out there and it's shitty, but its how things are. I've found that discrimination in any sort of modeling or porn job is quite common. I wish it wasn't so, but people and companies want specific things from specific people. If you don't fit anything that they're looking for, they don't want you. When you are in an industry that is heavily based on appearance, you should expect that. They don't base things on appearance in the vanilla workforce (well, they're not supposed to) From what I understand, they don't shoot a lot of queer porn in LA. It's very mainstream. It also sucks, but it is what it is.

I agree with some of issues that those against Cade were talking about. Yes, discrimination in porn, and in general, is wrong. But that's not what it was really about. It was about how Poe was previously a man and she didn't want to have sex because of that. I'm personally tired of everything being blown out of proportion by activists (especially on Tumblr) They constantly talk about acceptance when they really don't know the meaning of the word themselves. Acceptance isn't not agreeing with people and giving a thousand reasons why they are wrong. It's also not attempting to change peoples minds. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I know that there are hardships faced by people everyday by people who are of color, LGBT, overweight, etc. There are social issues that need to change. I can see what the people against Cade were getting at. But like I said, the issue was she didn't want to have sex Poe because she wasn't her cup of tea. Simple enough.

Here's a link to the full story http://therealpornwikileaks.com/lily-cade-gender-warfare-sexual-entitlement/
Here is also a link to a Tumblr post by Poe regarding Cade http://chelseapoe.tumblr.com/post/89131409706/this-week

I hope this all makes sense. I'm tired and it took 2 hours to write this.

 

[Shaun__]

I wanted to be sure I was giving Chelsea a fair chance, so I went and read some of her tumblr. I also found a sex scene with her in it. She looks attractive, but she has a penis not a vagina. Even though the other woman was gorgeous it did not look like lesbian sex to me, because Chelsea was jacking off her penis.

I believe her when she says she considers herself a gay woman, but no matter how much she hates it she looks biologically like a man with secondary female sexual characteristics. If I was casting a lesbian porn shoot, I would have to pass her by as well.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Hard to not side with Lily Cade. Nobody wants to see penis in a lesbian porn. Poe may identify as female but physically is a male. Hilarious that this is even an issue/war. I seriously can't think of one good argument in favor of Poe.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Hard to not side with Lily Cade. Nobody wants to see penis in a lesbian porn. Poe may identify as female but physically is a male. Hilarious that this is even an issue/war. I seriously can't think of one good argument in favor of Poe.

I just thanked and agreed with Punk. Strange days indeed.

 

[Jillybean]

I'm amazed this became an issue.

I hate to say it but it really sounds like Chelsea got very dramatic about it all.

This is a business decision, it isn't personal. It would REALLY creep me out if I told someone I didn't want to have sex with them and they pushed it like this! Also, why would you EVER expect someone to do something they're understandably not comfortable with?

I have to side with Lily Cade here. She's in the right. She's making a decision based on her personal attractions, her fan base, and her business. To be honest, the little bit I've read about this gives me a really awful feeling about Chelsea Poe... It seems really weird to push this so much. I don't see anywhere saying Lily did anything hateful towards her or other transexuals. It's not like Lily was casting a tranny porn and then refused Chelsea, right?

This is so WEIRD that it's become such a huge deal... I just don't get it. :?

Btw, does this mean we can all riot at James Deen for not casting all the camgirls in that porn thing he was doing a year ago?

Edit: I see now that Lily didn't have to be in the movie herself, but even still she makes a specific product... So it's actually purely a business decision.

 

[CharlotteLace]

I just don't understand how Poe can attempt to cry discrimination. Porn is visual. That's the point. Logically it makes no sense to have a penis in a lesbian porn. Regardless of how the owner of said penis identifies sexually. Porn producers usually have a general look they're aiming for when they're casting. Wanting specific body types (in this case, non-penisy) isn't illegal discrimination, especially when you're aiming for a very distinct audience. It'd be like an actor being upset they didn't get a role when they didn't remotely look the part.

I think Poe knew what she was doing, and was simply trying to raise a fuss over nothing so she could garner support. Some people like to get angry over nothing so others can rally around them.

 

[JickyJuly]

You can identify yourself as whatever you want, but if you're going to a job interview that requires you to have a vagina, it's not really discrimination. You're not qualified for the job. :lol: That aside, I think "discrimination" in porn is fine. Is it really discrimination to choose partners or employees in such a personal field based on your own feelings?

 

[mynameisbob84]

I think this is fairly cut and dry. While I fully support Chelsea Poe's right to identify as a woman, her not being cast in a role she wanted is not discrimination.

I honestly don't know where I'd stand if Poe was a post-op transsexual (I don't know if that's the right term to use or not. If it's not, then I apologise). At that point there's no penis to point to when listing (valid) reasons not to include her in a lesbian porn shoot. If Lily Cade simply doesn't find Poe attractive and doesn't want to have sex with her (regardless of whether she has a penis) then that's that. But in a broader sense, should post-op transsexual women be excluded from lesbian porn on the basis that they were born male? It's a toughie, yo.

 

[mynameisbob84]

It'd be like an actor being upset they didn't get a role when they didn't remotely look the part.

I was fucking distraught when I didn't get the role in the Shaft remake :?

 

[JickyJuly]

I think this is fairly cut and dry. While I fully support Chelsea Poe's right to identify as a woman, her not being cast in a role she wanted is not discrimination.

I honestly don't know where I'd stand if Poe was a post-op transsexual (I don't know if that's the right term to use or not. If it's not, then I apologise). At that point there's no penis to point to when listing (valid) reasons not to include her in a lesbian porn shoot. If Lily Cade simply doesn't find Poe attractive and doesn't want to have sex with her (regardless of whether she has a penis) then that's that. But in a broader sense, should post-op transsexual women be excluded from lesbian porn on the basis that they were born male? It's a toughie, yo.

I think if she was post-op, she'd probably just be judged on the basis of looks in a sea of women lining up to do lesbian porn. That market is saturated, and her competition would be way steeper. I'm guessing she knows that and keeps the d around to compete in a smaller market. TGirl porn has to be pretty lucrative? Kinda greedy to expect to also flop the peen around in lesbian scenes.

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

I agree with pretty much everyone who posted, so I probably don't even need to post, but I feel chatty, so I will anyway.

It's pretty silly indeed. People can be refused a role in a movie for all sorts of reasons, and in most of those cases, no rights are being violated. Probably there were also some women who were born with female parts who wanted a role in the film and were also refused. Could be the filmmaker thought they weren't attractive enough or maybe just didn't look the way she envisioned someone in this film would. Maybe she was unimpressed with their acting ability (not sure how much acting goes into these things, but if this is a consideration, it's another legit reason).

Essentially Chelsea Poe's argument boils down to "You must hire me because if you don't it's by definition unreasonable bias since I am different in this way that I want to talk about." If I applied for a desk job at a bank and demanded to be hired because I am left-handed and also have flat feet, they'd look at me like I'd suddenly sprouted moose antlers and show me the door. If I showed them a resume with good credentials, behaved professionally, and then they said, "Not bad, but people who don't have high arches are untrustworthy, so we decline," then I'd have a claim about being discriminated against unfairly. That's not what happened in this case though. As I understand it, Poe basically just showed up and tried to bully her way into a job by using the threat that she'd make the filmmaker look narrow-minded in the community if she wasn't hired. Having a cause doesn't mean you get to tell people what to do and they're an evil enemy to your cause if they decline to obey. Poe was clearly not qualified because, obviously, people who like to see lesbian sex want to see female-looking parts and not male-looking ones.

It is always reasonable not to accept an obviously flawed argument. If you want to convince someone to agree with your position, it's necessary to give reasoning that makes sense. Hey, it could be that there are lots of things Poe really is given a raw deal about, but however true and unfair that may be, it still doesn't make her perfect for the role of someone who visibly has a vulva.

 

[Anonymous]

This entire conversation is disgustingly transphobic. Equating genitalia with gender is transphobic.

You are saying that lesbians date women.
Correct.

Do you know what trans women are?
WOMEN. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE. GOOD SHOW, OLD CHAP.

Trans women are not some magical alien concept. They are real actual women.
IF this Lily Cade person intends to make porn with people with vaginas, SAY THAT INSTEAD.
Do not say "women only" and then proceed to shit all over an entire population of women.

I am very disappointed in the transphobia going on here.

 

[Jillybean]

This entire conversation is disgustingly transphobic. Equating genitalia with gender is transphobic.

You are saying that lesbians date women.
Correct.

Do you know what trans women are?
WOMEN. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE. GOOD SHOW, OLD CHAP.

Trans women are not some magical alien concept. They are real actual women.
IF this Lily Cade person intends to make porn with people with vaginas, SAY THAT INSTEAD.
Do not say "women only" and then proceed to shit all over an entire population of women.

I am very disappointed in the transphobia going on here.

Though I don't agree that someone should be accused of having some shameful "phobia" for running her business as she sees fit, I do understand where this view is coming from.

I still think people have gotten way too sensitive, and that people are just way too quick to become offended for someone else.

 

[Anonymous]

This entire conversation is disgustingly transphobic. Equating genitalia with gender is transphobic.

You are saying that lesbians date women.
Correct.

Do you know what trans women are?
WOMEN. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE. GOOD SHOW, OLD CHAP.

Trans women are not some magical alien concept. They are real actual women.
IF this Lily Cade person intends to make porn with people with vaginas, SAY THAT INSTEAD.
Do not say "women only" and then proceed to shit all over an entire population of women.

I am very disappointed in the transphobia going on here.

Though I don't agree that someone should be accused of having some shameful "phobia" for running her business as she sees fit, I do understand where this view is coming from.

I still think people have gotten way too sensitive, and that people are just way too quick to become offended for someone else.

This is.... a really gross way of thinking. "People have gotten way too sensitive", like good golly gosh y'all how dare marginalized and oppressed people speak out in defense and support of themselves and people like them?

I am done. This forum as a whole has gotten very, very hateful. Transphobia, racism, internalized misogyny. This whole thought train of "everyone's too sensitive and gets offended easily!!!" bullshit.

I no longer want to be a part of this.

 

[mynameisbob84]

This entire conversation is disgustingly transphobic. Equating genitalia with gender is transphobic.

You are saying that lesbians date women.
Correct.

Do you know what trans women are?
WOMEN. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE. GOOD SHOW, OLD CHAP.

Trans women are not some magical alien concept. They are real actual women.
IF this Lily Cade person intends to make porn with people with vaginas, SAY THAT INSTEAD.
Do not say "women only" and then proceed to shit all over an entire population of women.

I am very disappointed in the transphobia going on here.

Though I don't agree that someone should be accused of having some shameful "phobia" for running her business as she sees fit, I do understand where this view is coming from.

I still think people have gotten way too sensitive, and that people are just way too quick to become offended for someone else.

This is.... a really gross way of thinking. "People have gotten way too sensitive", like good golly gosh y'all how dare marginalized and oppressed people speak out in defense and support of themselves and people like them?

I am done. This forum as a whole has gotten very, very hateful. Transphobia, racism, internalized misogyny. This whole thought train of "everyone's too sensitive and gets offended easily!!!" bullshit.

I no longer want to be a part of this.

I just don't see the oppression. Is the argument here that Lily Cade should make porn with people she would rather not simply so that those people don't feel slighted? Chelsea Poe is no more entitled to porno sex with lesbians than I am to recreational sex with every girl on this forum (and the guys as well for that matter). I don't think refusing to work with a trans woman is transphobic. At least not when it comes to porn. Not hiring somebody for a retail job because they're transgender would be transphobic. But this is different for a whole host of reasons :twocents-02cents:

 

[goldenaye666]

What's next, a Caucasian American man who assimilates African American culture and identifies himself as being African American, attacking interracial porn companies for not hiring him to perform with Caucasian women? :roll:

Maybe all us guys on here should attack MyFreeCams until they allow men on camera. By the standard for alleged oppression mentioned in this topic, us men are being oppressed. I am beautiful and I want to dance around in a unicorn costume, play Hangman, and be tipped too. :lol:

 

[BarbieLuv]

Okay, forget for a moment that anyone involved in this situation is trans. Let's just narrow it down to a simple question: When watching lesbian porn, do viewers expect to see male genitalia?

The answer is NO. That, by the adult industry definition, would instantly take it from lesbian to either boy/girl, transsexual, or queer porn (depending on the individual performers.) Cade is simply turning someone down for a scene due to their not fitting the aesthetic/genre of the porn she wants to make/enjoys making and that her audience has come to expect. She even won an AVN for being an 'All-Girl' performer (e.g. she does not do scenes with men or trans people), which means that having on-camera sex with a person (regardless of their internal gender) who has male genitalia is completely off-limits. In fact, if she broke that rule, it could potentially tank her livelihood, as that is what her ENTIRE brand is built on. I can't think of an adult performer who would be willing to risk such an established persona just to avoid stepping on toes.

I am willing to bet that Cade also gets NUMEROUS offers from hetero cis males offering to do scenes, and turns them down in the same fashion, again due to their genitalia. It's not a personal thing or being transphobic, it's a business decision on Cade's part, and I think that Poe should have bowed out gracefully and accepted that she does not fit Cade's brand of porn.

Also it's important to take into consideration that when choosing a sexual partner, even pornstars get to have their say in who they will or won't fuck most of the time. And especially when creating content for their own site. If Cade isn't attracted to male genitalia, no amount of cerebral womanhood is going to make her want that dick in her mouth, for lack of a better way to put it.

tl;dr - Cade isn't going to betray her brand and potentially her own sexuality just to avoid stepping on toes, and I think that's pretty darn cool. Not sure why this is even an issue.

 

[GweenBlack]

relevant

 

[Red7227]

This entire conversation is disgustingly transphobic. Equating genitalia with gender is transphobic.

You are saying that lesbians date women.
Correct.

Do you know what trans women are?
WOMEN. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE. GOOD SHOW, OLD CHAP.

Trans women are not some magical alien concept. They are real actual women.
IF this Lily Cade person intends to make porn with people with vaginas, SAY THAT INSTEAD.
Do not say "women only" and then proceed to shit all over an entire population of women.

I am very disappointed in the transphobia going on here.

I'm very supporting of my male gay friends, but that does not mean I have any interest in gay porn. People don't get to choose their orientation, and should not have to deal with other people pushing their sexuality on them, or expecting them to do something they might find abhorrent. If I want to see trans sex I will download it, I would not expect to fall over it in lesbian porn. Cade has the right to make whatever porn she wants and hire whoever she wants without having to deal with some pushy asshole calling her a bigot.

 

[LilLitaRose]

You know, I sat here and read all the replies, and tried to find a way to say things without it feeling negative to either side.
I had to do research on both models. Because I knew not what was going on.
So I'm going to raise a few points about the situationBeing devil's advocate to both sides)
Some claim they don't want a penis in lesbian porn, but often I see strapons and dildo masks.
Because Chelsea is a trans woman, she is a woman. Period. But because the market has expected videos of, "cis female genitalia", it could make it difficult to sell it under the label, because of the lack of understanding from the consumers, as well as the market itself.
I have seen, two women, making porn together, one trans, and one non-trans. And to me it's lesbian porn. But, I also don't see the difference between a bio-penis and a dildo in that sense.
With that said, Lily Cade has the right to run her business how she sees fit. That's her prerogative.
Do I feel like this was blown up into epic proportions? In a way, I feel like both sides are feeling attacked and instead of stopping and doing reflection, are lashing out. Lily obviously is handling it a little better...
But it's still a shitty situation. For everyone.

Why can't we just sit around the campfire and watch porn together? :<

 

[JickyJuly]

This entire conversation is disgustingly transphobic. Equating genitalia with gender is transphobic.

You are saying that lesbians date women.
Correct.

Do you know what trans women are?
WOMEN. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE. GOOD SHOW, OLD CHAP.

Trans women are not some magical alien concept. They are real actual women.
IF this Lily Cade person intends to make porn with people with vaginas, SAY THAT INSTEAD.
Do not say "women only" and then proceed to shit all over an entire population of women.

I am very disappointed in the transphobia going on here.

I think in ANY arena other than porn, how this woman identifies herself would trump her genitals. She can certainly be a non/preop trans woman and identify also as a lesbian if she is only attracted to other women. But, in porn, it's going to come down to what parts you have. It's the same way they don't put thin, light skinned men in interracial porn. They want a big, dark skinned man to put next to the white girls. Porn doesn't really have to be politically correct since it's not even accepted. If I'm watching lesbian porn, I don't really care if the women are straight, gay or gay for pay. I just don't want to see ball sacks. Sometimes, you just don't need to see wieners. Does penis really have to be EVERYWHERE? There are women who are very uncomfortable at the sight of a man's genitalia. Can they have something? On top of that, if the target audience for lesbian porn is women who aren't interested in wang (doubtful since men are pretty much the target for all porn), it's a pretty bad business move to throw one in there. I don't think Lily needed to Tweet anything about this. I don't think it needed to be addressed publicly by either party. But, if Poe doesn't want to be boiled down to her genitals or face rejection, porn is the wrong field. In any other job interview, the contents of her pants or skirt would be irrelevant. In porn, what she looks like naked is going to matter. Some things are more important than how we see ourselves and being politically correct whether we like the sound of it or not.

Edited to add in case it hasn't been brought up: What about the performers who choose only to do lesbian porn because they aren't comfortable with being penetrated by genitalia? Does a company not have the right to turn someone away in order not to alienate other employees?

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

I should probably just throw my hands up in the air and go look at the Steam sale or something because this appears to be a no-win conversation to be a part of, however being stubborn and considering myself a non-idiot, I feel the need to say a bit more.

Frankly, I can't find a single thing in this whole thread that I would consider disrespectful or phobic toward trans people. Seems to me people did a fair job of trying to state their opinions without resorting to name-calling and without implying that there's anything wrong with anyone's sexuality, identification, etc. (hell, I'm not even sure what words I can use to say this without tripping over a landmine).

The only thing I can even think of as an argument to justify saying the opinions most people stated are somehow inappropriate (and I would still disagree) is that the term "lesbians" was not modified to say "persons with vaginas who identify as female and have sex with persons of this same nature." Are we really bigots and oppressors for failing to make our speech that convoluted?

Generally speaking, if you apply for a job, you are expected to know at least a little bit about the prospective employer and the job you are seeking. Given that, Poe must have know (or should have known at any rate) the general nature of Cade's films and had at least a rough idea of what Cade's customers expect to see. This makes me suspect (as a previous poster also noted) that Poe did not really expect a job but rather wanted to create an uproar to gain publicity. I really think Poe and not Cade is the person harming the cause of equitable treatment for trans people here because Poe is the one who is being unreasonable. Nothing stifles support for a cause more than having someone who claims to represent it being an ass publicly. People who know nothing about the issue are going to see Poe's antics and have someone who seems irrational as their frame of reference for the trans community. That certainly does not help them achieve their goal.

Note: I see there's another post that came in while I was typing; be advised that I have not taken any points made in that one into account here.

 

[Rose]

Personally, if I was signed up to do a lesbian scene and a person with a penis showed up, I'd say fuck no. Doesn't matter how they feel, they have a penis and I don't want anything to do with it. Dildos are completely different from penises. They're nowhere near the same playing field. For the simplest of reasons, penises make bigger messes than dildoes do.

Likewise if I signed up to do a hetero or a trans scene and a vagina showed up, I'd say no as well.

There's also the pregnancy risk, assuming said performers are able to conceive. There are always accidents and I can imagine if someone could get pregnant and were signed up to do a lesbian scene, having a penis on site would be cause for some just anger. That's a pretty big risk, imo.

 

[Bocefish]

I think in ANY arena other than porn, how this woman identifies herself would trump her genitals.

Bingo! She may identify as a 100% female, yet the fact remains that she has a penis instead of a vagina. She could go to every porn agent in the world who was looking to hire lesbian porn actresses and they would all say the same thing. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with transphobia.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I am done. This forum as a whole has gotten very, very hateful. Transphobia, racism, internalized misogyny. This whole thought train of "everyone's too sensitive and gets offended easily!!!" bullshit.

I no longer want to be a part of this.

Strange, I haven't seen any transphobia, racism, or misogyny. You sure you just ain't making this all up? Oh well, good luck in all your future endeavors.

 

[Kokoro]

relevant

This video is brilliant. This basically sums up everything that I think about all this. I identify as a pansexual, but I get really heated over all these "Tumblr activists" who in my opinion are very "me, me, me". The man in the video talked about how cis people can't be transphobic, but trans people have every right to be cisphobic. You have no right to discriminate me but I can discriminate you all I want. You can't disagree with trans people. Bullshit.

I ended up posting a slightly watered down version of what I wrote here and made sure I sounded least transphobic as possible, even though I wasn't being transphobic in the beginning. Poe answered back with how she wasn't even trying to challenge whether Cade was into her or not and how it's all about discrimination. I'm sorry, but the only thing I still see is that you're salty for getting turned down and you have to blow it up into something that its not. This whole thing could be avoided if she just said "Fair enough."I agree 100% with HarmlessSquirrell about how she should have done more research on what Cade shoots. Unless she were just doing this for publicity, which now seems plausible after doing more research into this Someone else answered back about how trans gendered women are women too regardless of their anatomy. I was trying not to write anything about the fact that Poe still has a penis because that side of Tumblr is waaaay too unpredictable and I really don't want to deal with the possibility of a million comments about how "she's still a woman no mater what", "genitals don't have anything to do with what you identify with", or "you're just being transphobic."

I am actually really miffed about being called transphobic tbh. As I mentioned above, I am pan and I am attracted to everyone, including trans people. I am an ally and agree that everyone should be accepted no matter who they are, what their skin color is, what they identify as, etc. People need to have a better understanding of what its like to be trans. But nobody is going to fucking understand anything when someone asks about the lifestyle and are basically talked down to like they'll never get it? Like I mentioned above, cis people are being told to shut the fuck up and not have an opinion because everything they are saying is right and cis people are wrong. Do you really want all outsiders to side with you if you act like an asshat? Do you really think they'll understand or even want to understand? I know where they're coming from when you say they face discrimination because of who you are and that's why they are so outspoken, but not everyone is trying to hate on you. I see people on Facebook who are making fun of the LGBTQAA community because of what they see on Tumblr. I fully understand that not all trans people are like this, but it seems to me that trans people are being portrayed in a negative light because of the irrational trans people/allies. That's not fair to them.

I also really hate being yelled at when I call someone by the wrong gender that they identify with. I'm sorry. I didn't know. Please don't call me ignorant for misunderstanding.

Note: I'm using "Tumblr activist" as an umbrella term for all the irrational trans people and allies. Mostly because I see this stuff on Tumblr more than anywhere else.

Another note: I'm not trying to offend anyone. Opinions are like assholes; everyone has them and this is mine. After all that's what forums are for. Discussing ideas, opinions, and events.

Okay, now lets all hug and be friends.

 

[LilyMarie]

I feel like 3 or 5 years ago this whole thing wouldn't even have been a discussion topic. :?

 

[eyeteach]

I tried reading the walls of paragraphs in the responses listed in this thread but my ADHD kicked in and instead I just went to the bottom of the responses and saw all the lines of "like" and thought how cool it'd be if just once I got three lines of "like" from one of my posts/responses so I think that HEY LOOK! A SQUIRREL!!!

 

[goldenaye666]

HEY LOOK! A SQUIRREL!!!

Does this squirrel have nuts? It is very important to this discussion. :lol:

:dance:

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

HEY LOOK! A SQUIRREL!!!

Does this squirrel have nuts? It is very important to this discussion. :lol:

:dance:

I do.