Kids Harass the Bus Monitor

[Mirra]

You again go on to make a lot of sweeping statements to support your own argument

Parents SHOULD be the authority figures. Kids should be respectful of adults because they are the "parent" in any given situation. These are values that should instilled by the parents or guardians

Society says kids should do those things, but nobody asks the kids if they wanted too. Kids are not programmable robots, they have free will and decide their own course of action to take. Besides respect is earned, not given because you avoided death for X number of years.

I can agree to a certain extent with this... BUT I personally feel like for the good of society as a whole, EVERYONE (children or otherwise) needs to have a certain level of respect for people till they have proven they do not deserve it. It's an innocent until proven guilty kind of thing. They may be terrible people. They may be idiots. They may be the least trustworthy people in the world. I am not saying we should trust them, heed their suggestions, or follow their lead but I am saying we can treat them respectfully until we are certain they do not deserve our respect.

 

[sweetiebatman]

This may be difficult for you to understand

Thanks for being condescending again.

Society says kids should do those things, but nobody asks the kids if they wanted too. Kids are not programmable robots, they have free will and decide their own course of action to take. Besides respect is earned, not given because you avoided death for X number of years.

I find the fact that you say "society says" a little worrying. Society does not say this evolution does. we are genetically pre-programmed to protect our young and ensure the survival of the next generation. of cause social factors and generational differences pitch in and effect the manner in which we do this.
I'm not sure we should be asking kids what they want when it comes to discipline. when I was young all I wanted to do was go out and see my mates, play soccer on the street, play videogames etc but my parents insisted I stayed in and did my homework. Were they wrong because I didn't agree and was not asked my opinion? Hell no. I have done well because of this not in spite of it!
This is HOW parents earn respect IMO, making the tough decisions, decisions not universally liked but for the good of our children. You cite the example of unruly teens but that is a natural part of testing the boundaries. I bet we all could say we were a little difficult as a teen, heck my brother was a absolute dick as a teen but he is a well adjusted member of society now

As to my apology, I never believe people who try to convince me they are apologetic. I like to keep them short and simple

I'm not sure Cammi believed you, I certainly didn't

 

[Shaun__]

I can agree to a certain extent with this... BUT I personally feel like for the good of society as a whole, EVERYONE (children or otherwise) needs to have a certain level of respect for people till they have proven they do not deserve it. It's an innocent until proven guilty kind of thing. They may be terrible people. They may be idiots. They may be the least trustworthy people in the world. I am not saying we should trust them, heed their suggestions, or follow their lead but I am saying we can treat them respectfully until we are certain they do not deserve our respect.

I agree, but you and I both choose to be part of society and abide by its rules. It is a decision, and you just have to do what you can to persuade them to believe the same things.

This may be difficult for you to understand

Thanks for being condescending again.

Society says kids should do those things, but nobody asks the kids if they wanted too. Kids are not programmable robots, they have free will and decide their own course of action to take. Besides respect is earned, not given because you avoided death for X number of years.

I find the fact that you say "society says" a little worrying. Society does not say this evolution does. we are genetically pre-programmed to protect our young and ensure the survival of the next generation. of cause social factors and generational differences pitch in and effect the manner in which we do this.

That has nothing to do with respecting people older than me, but it is true. I am very protective of children.

I'm not sure we should be asking kids what they want when it comes to discipline. when I was young all I wanted to do was go out and see my mates, play soccer on the street, play videogames etc but my parents insisted I stayed in and did my homework. Were they wrong because I didn't agree and was not asked my opinion? Hell no. I have done well because of this not in spite of it!

You had good parents. My parents ignored me, and let the TV raise me. I would always watch the Cosby family interacting and wished they were my family.

This is HOW parents earn respect IMO, making the tough decisions, decisions not universally liked but for the good of our children. You cite the example of unruly teens but that is a natural part of testing the boundaries. I bet we all could say we were a little difficult as a teen, heck my brother was a absolute dick as a teen but he is a well adjusted member of society now

See you just said they earned respect.

I'm not sure Cammi believed you, I certainly didn't

I have no way to force people to believe me, and you are probably still mad about the penguin seal thread anyways.

 

[LaylaLux]

the first time i saw this it made me cry. There is no excuse for treating another human being this way!

If these were my kids they would have there asses WHOOPED! Thats the problem with kids these days they are all spoiled little shits who dont know consequences of their actions!

Those kids should be kicked off the bus and their parents should have the inconvenience of driving them to school every day! Yes as a parent u cant always control your children but YOU ARE responsible for there actions until there 18! I dont care what anyone says.

 

[sweetiebatman]

I toyed with the idea of replying to this thread again but i realize it is quite pointless. You see it how you see it, which would be fine if you could articulate this and debate in a grown up manner but that seems long lost. I actually quite like the to and fro of proper debate and usually come out with a healthy rspect for the other person if not thier viewpoint

I actually find your posts, especially towards Cammistar bordering on bullying. You seem to lack the emotional maturity to hold a proper debate as most have done on here without making snide comments and misquoting to make people look bad. To think I would hold a thread I had to look up to remember as why i might disagree with you is laughable

 

[Nordling]

Seriously, we should avoid using dictionaries if we're looking for full depth meanings of words.

"Tease" is a multi-use word. It can even be applied to a method of doing one's hair to achieve an early 60's bouffant.

But it can also be a SYMPTOM of bullying. Bullying means to intimidate people; bullies are people of low self-esteem who try to built themselves up by intimidating others, who they perceive as people who cannot defend themselves. Extreme TEASING is one of the methods that a bully uses to intimidate. Physically beating someone is another.

Teasing can also be a type of cheerful, fun interplay between friends and lovers. But I assumed Cammi was NOT referring to that. I assumed she was referring to that type of teasing often used by bullies to hurt and intimidate their victims.

 

[Shaun__]

@CammiStar I hope the next few years go well for your family. The thought of other kids having a childhood like mine is not an enjoyable one for me, and I should have left for a while before posting. I try to correct things I saw wrong growing up, like the indifference from adults, in what ever little ways I can. My post was just as stupid as the epic one though.

 

[Shaun__]

Interesting article on school bus bullying.

 

[Anonymous]

I think a lot of you heard about this story but I didn't see a post about it anywhere yet so...



The way these kids treated this woman is atrocious. Blame lies on the kids and the parents. I can't imagine that these kids DON'T know better than this so they definitely must be held accountable for their actions. They also don't seem to have any qualms about people seeing how they behaved since the episode was recorded and shared on someone's Facebook. This leads me to believe the kids aren't used to there being consequences to their actions and that makes me suspect the parents have failed at raising them.

What does everyone else think?

Sorry, I'm responding without having the watched the video first. Even though you could be right about the parents, unless you actually know the parents, I don't think it's fair to jump to any conclusions that "it's the parents' fault." It's one thing if the parents get the phone call, and they just laugh it off and say "HA! THAT'S MAH BOY! ALWAYS GIVIN' PEOPLE SHIT!" That's what I would call an "I-don't-give-a-fuck" parent whose favorite phrase is "Well, kids WILL be kids!" :roll:

You could raise your kids right and be PARENT OF THE YEAR, but that doesn't guarantee that your kids will stay out of trouble. Any decent parent would be appalled at what happened, and would not just shrug it off. But all a parent can do is raise their kids right, teach them to be respectful, etc., and hope that when their kids leave for school they are behaving the way they're supposed to. Once they board that school bus and leave for the day, it's up to them to do the right things.

And kids need to learn that there will be consequences for their actions, and that bad behavior leads to unpleasant consequences. If your teenager is in the store mouthing off and cussing you out because you won't buy her that cool cell phone, you're not gonna buy it for her now, are you?

Okay, now I'm gonna go watch the video. I already feel bad just looking at that preview picture of the elderly lady.

*Bracing myself*

 

[Anonymous]

the first time i saw this it made me cry. There is no excuse for treating another human being this way!

If these were my kids they would have there asses WHOOPED! Thats the problem with kids these days they are all spoiled little shits who dont know consequences of their actions!

Those kids should be kicked off the bus and their parents should have the inconvenience of driving them to school every day! Yes as a parent u cant always control your children but YOU ARE responsible for there actions until there 18! I dont care what anyone says.

I love you so much right now!

I've had so many conversations with people about how kids these days are so smart yet so spoiled, and many of them don't have to deal with consequences for their bad behavior. They can make a scene out in a public place, and the parent (who's embarrassed and would rather be her best friend than be her parent) will give in and buy them the item they're throwing a fit over.

I apologize for using this example so much, but I can't resist.....

Rewind to several years ago when I was in middle school, and I'm outside playing with my friend Cassie.

Cassie's mom comes out the house and tells Cassie it's time to come in.
Cassie: NO!
Cassie's mom: Cassie, please??? It's time to come in.
Cassie: NO, MOM! I DON'T WANNA COME IN!!!
Cassie's mom looks sad and walks back into the house quietly with her head hanging down (kinda like how the Brady Bunch kids did when they walked away sadly...lmao).

Even then, as a middle-schooler, I was absolutely STUNNED to see a girl talking to her mother this way...and the mother LETTING her get away with it.....

 

[Anonymous]

:crybaby:

WOW, that video was worse than I thought, and it kind of put me in a bad mood now.

If these kids talk like this to the bus monitor, what on Earth do they say/do to their classmates?

Making jokes about wanting to cum in her mouth...threatening to beat her up if she comes to their house...making jokes about rape...calling her 'fatass'...telling her to "shut the fuck up," etc.

In a little while, I'm gonna watch the other YouTube videos showing interviews with Ms. Karen. I am happy to hear that the goal has been exceeded for her vacation. :thumbleft:

 

[mynameisbob84]

In a little while, I'm gonna watch the other YouTube videos showing interviews with Ms. Karen. I am happy to hear that the goal has been exceeded for her vacation. :thumbleft:

She's well on her way to becoming a millionaire. It was at about $600,000 last time I checked with about 20 days left :-D

 

[Bocefish]

Karen Klein, the bullied bus monitor who received national attention this week after a video surfaced online, said today that she did not accept her verbal attacker’s apology.

Klein said: “I think they can do better.”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/261412/bullied ... -apology/#

Good for her!

Donations are still pouring in which totals over $600K now. I hope she uses some of it for equipping buses with video monitoring. There have been some good things to come from this. It helps spotlight what kids have been saying for decades. Too bad it had to happen to an adult in order for some districts to take it more seriously.

One study based on interviews with 30 bus drivers from four school districts found that 90 percent of them noticed verbal bullying on their buses, and 70 percent noticed physical intimidation. Thirty percent said bullying occurred often on their buses and they stopped frequently to intervene, according to the 2008 research by Ellen deLara, an associate professor at Syracuse University’s School of Social Work.

“Kids talk about this venue as the worst part of their day,” Ms. deLara says. “Most [buses] don’t even have a monitor in the first place, which leaves the driver trying to transport the students safely and attend to any bullying that’s happening behind him or her…. Anything that brings further education to the bus drivers would be useful…. They really want to have a safe bus and a dignified environment.”

One reason drivers suggested that students are bullied on the bus is that their peers can see where they live – and often it’s those who live in very poor conditions, and may be sent to school in dirty clothes, for instance, who receive the most abuse.

More state laws are kicking in that require all school staff, including bus drivers, to formally report bullying. But drivers are often frustrated when they inform school administrators about problems on the bus and there seems to be little follow-up. http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/b ... g?page=0,0

 

[Anonymous]

She's well on her way to becoming a millionaire. It was at about $600,000 last time I checked with about 20 days left :-D

http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein

There are still 26 days left, and they've raised $648,775. The campaign will receive all of the funds contributed by July 20 at 11:59 PM PT.

I think it said somewhere that she has 8 grandchildren?

 

[mynameisbob84]

She's well on her way to becoming a millionaire. It was at about $600,000 last time I checked with about 20 days left :-D

http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein

There are still 26 days left, and they've raised $648,775. The campaign will receive all of the funds contributed by July 20 at 11:59 PM PT.

I think it said somewhere that she has 8 grandchildren?

Something tells me those grandkids are in for a good Christmas this year

 

[Anonymous]

Something tells me those grankids are in for a good Christmas this year

Wow, Christmas is EXACTLY 6 months from today. :shock:

 

[Bocefish]

Sounds like a fair punishment to me. I hope other parents show their kids what the consequences are for this kind of behavior.

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – The middle school students who tormented a bus aide in Upstate New York have been suspended from school for one year, according to the Greece School District.

The students insulted Karen Klein and made fun of her weight and looks — calling her “fat” and saying she looks “like a troll” — and threatened to egg her house.

At one point, a student even says Klein’s family killed themselves to not be anywhere near her. Klein’s eldest son committed suicide a decade ago.

The incident was captured in a 10-minute cell phone video by one of the students and posted to YouTube, drove Klein to tears.

At least 10 minutes of the bullying was recorded, but it is unclear how long the taunting lasted.

The following is a partial statement issued from the Greece School District:

“Greece Central School District Superintendent Barbara Deane-Williams today announced that the due process requirements have been met and the district is able to release the result of their investigation and the assignment of disciplinary consequences for the four Athena Middle School students involved in the mistreatment of their bus monitor.

“Following individual meetings this week with school and district administrators, each family waived their right to a hearing and agreed to one-year suspensions from school and regular bus transportation. The Greece Central School District is legally required to provide all students ages 5 to 16 with an education, therefore, during the 2012-13 school year, the students who have been suspended will be transferred to the district Reengagement Center, located in a non-school facility. This alternative education program keeps middle school students on track academically while providing a structured opportunity for students to take responsibility for their actions by completing community service hours and receiving formal instruction related to conduct and behavior that prepares them for a productive future. The program includes a strong parent involvement component.

“Each student will be required to complete 50 hours of community service with senior citizens and will complete a formal program in bullying prevention, respect and responsibility. In accordance with district policy, if at 30 weeks into the school year the students have completed the conditions of their discipline and are in good standing at the Reengagement Center, they can apply for early readmission to Athena Middle School.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/29/ ... -one-year/

 

[Anonymous]

Yup, I think the punishment is appropriate. I remember someone on YouTube commenting that they think the kids should be required to do community service working with senior citizens, and I thought that was a great idea. So I'm happy to read this update.