Is Chaturbate broken by Viewer bots ?

[uncoveredmanhole]

Last days main page of the cb is much cleaner from low quality rooms that usually used bots.
Yes, some a little amount of models is still using bots, but right it mostly does not affect to the main page.

I'm totally satisfied!

front page, 4000 anons. legit?
https://chaturbate.com/blakekylexxx/
she is baking cookies, though, so, ya know how that draws a crowd.

 

[megafapper]

@uncoveredmanhole Yes, it does not legit. First 3 places always have a lot of bot guest viewers (automated browsers or offscreen/hidden cb iframes). But only a few models use it directly for own rooms.
When all promoted models are offline bots are still there - promote best converting room (one of the first 3 places).

Some russian bongacam models switched to the cb from bongacams. Typical example first place now webcam_slut - yes she is pretty girl, but usually she does nothing. Very often she goes away from cam but still has more than 5K guest viewers. The same situation is with the group shows - still more than 5K with active group show. Guest viewers do not stay in empty room or in the long group show.
The same botnet or the same type of bots was used in the room killer__tits, yes she is pretty too but right now she can not achieve any first places, but a few weeks ago she had the same guest viewer counters as webcam_slut.

Registered users bots is still usable but I think cb find the way to block this fake or real registrations used for room promotion. So I did not see a crazy counters of registered users last times.
Yes, some models who used bots are still using ones but 100-200 users is hard to detect and prove.

 

[megafapper]

Also I don't know these models know about bots or not. But someone (agency or some bongacam fan) definitely does it.

 

[Mell]

I think its big problem on chaturbate from couple of months ago, it really depress models and i am a model also, since i start to notice rooms with over 10 000 viewers my traffic go to zero and everybody tell me that my cams lags even if i have high connection and good computer before this i didnt had any lag even with slower connection ... Yes it really depress models and affect their work sometimes is hard to smile and do your show when no matter what your do users are stuck in some low number... I hope cb fix their problems because at least to me really affect my work and my mood and desire to work,before this problems i couldnt wait to get on cam now when i know how my taffic is stuck to 20 viewers i dont even want to go on cam... What about doing a show.. I just hope this will be fixed soon or later... Excuse me about my english im not native english speaker

 

[megafapper]

Some models are still using bots, but I think these models in the white list of cb support (may be these models take a lot of tokens from members - I don't know).

But almost all russian/colombian low quality rooms that use bots are banned now.

 

[AudriTwo]

Some models are still using bots, but I think these models in the white list of cb support (may be these models take a lot of tokens from members - I don't know).

But almost all russian/colombian low quality rooms that use bots are banned now.

Thank you for the much needed update!

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Some models are still using bots, but I think these models in the white list of cb support (may be these models take a lot of tokens from members - I don't know).

But almost all russian/colombian low quality rooms that use bots are banned now.

interesting.
there does seem to be a difference.
one who used to have like 4000 anons has only 100 right now (a pretty legit amount for a front page girl)

but there's another Russian girl (who often has a 'daddy' in the background) who like 6000anons right now, so something tells me CB hasn't quite got the bot thing under control yet. ... oh, but her location is now listed as California. lol.

I have see no russian bot cam, only california girl

 

[rstanton]

but there's another Russian girl (who often has a 'daddy' in the background) who like 6000anons right now, so something tells me CB hasn't quite got the bot thing under control yet. ... oh, but her location is now listed as California. lol.
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Yes I see one couple with 5,830 anonymous viewers and they're not an attractive couple either. Yes, the popular Russian girl from "California" has over 4,000 but at least she's hot so I'm almost willing to believe that one.

There is also the South African threesome (their accents sound legit) that now has over 6,700 anonymous viewers.

 

[megafapper]

@uncoveredmanhole I wrote "almost" not "all".
Bots a still present on the cb.
CB uses CloudFlare for bot prevention and ddos protecton.
But the main problems that Cloudflare has a limited number of rules per zone (account). Yes amount of rules is huge but limited even for enterprise customers. And it is impossible to stop all bots on the CloudFlare side (ddos - yes, bots - no)
So one day can work one bots from one models but other day from another ones.

Typical example is my "favorite" room - innocent_doll1. She use registered users bots. And last week she can reach the one of the first places without any problems in half of hour or less. But yesterday she can not reach even first screen of the main page and after 1.5 hours she goes offline. That is why it understandable that she knows about bots and knows when bots stop to work.

Some few words about guest bots. Almost every day in 10:00 AM GMT (+/- 15 minute) cb almost has no bots. Before and after 30-40 minutes first places have minimum plus 3K guest viewers.
So this main amount of these bots not some kind of iframes on any site, but totally computer driven bot net controlled from the one place.

 

[forumkeeper]

I've found this thread by google (one of the first results using words "chaturbate viewer bots")

I've tried to contact support (many many times) but they don't think that it is problem and answered me that these crazy counters are normal.

 

[forumkeeper]

Maybe better if @punker barbie writes a few words about this problem as official answer to the community.

 

[megafapper]

@forumkeeper I think @punker barbie will not answer here. If chaturbate support has some solution for bots issues, they answered many days ago.
Also I think they will ban some models for using bots but models that give them a lot of income will be in white list from banning.

And as I wrote before it is impossible to block bots on cloudflare side and impossible to ban all russian rooms, agencies that use bots can found a new couple or model in less than few hours right after old was banned.

As result this situation with the main page (sometimes normal, but sometimes low quality russian shows) will be continued on the chaturbate site.

 

[megafapper]

Some more news about cb bots.
Last few days on CB was a war of registered users bots from botnets of Romania and Russia owners.
Typical example room with more than 3K registered viewers and more than 20K total viewers in the room with low fps and without sound....
Some times all first 5 places had more than 2000 registered viewers (showed in contest stats)

 

[megafapper]

Viewer bots are still present on the cb site
CB support don't care that the someone using bots right now and don't care that some models violating their rules if members spending tokens in these rooms.

 

[Lelo1]

it is impossible to block bots on cloudflare side

Cloudflare has 2 major techs.

First tech is against DDOS. Which really doesn't do much against viewer bots.

Second tech is to put traffic behind google captcha. This ushally happens when some one has adnormal traffic, like loading 100 pages in a short period of time.

 

[megafapper]

Cloudflare has 2 major techs.

First tech is against DDOS. Which really doesn't do much against viewer bots.

Second tech is to put traffic behind google captcha. This ushally happens when some one has adnormal traffic, like loading 100 pages in a short period of time.

I know it
Some pages for some ip ranges or for some countries can be locked by captcha and exactly using this approach chaturbate techs try to resolve viewer bot issues before. But right now they simply do not block viewer bots if in room with bots members tip a lot. Yes support periodically ban models with bots with average or little income. But does nothing for models with big income.

So right now using viewer bots is one of the important things for the models if they want to be in top. Yes, they have a little chance to ban, but if they will have a lot of tipper they will be in the white list.

Viewer bot issues present on the cb a lot of time. If cb support wanted to fix it than they fixed it a long time ago.

 

[megafapper]

Empty room (valery_shy) on the first place with more than 10000 viewers with "make me wet daddy" room subject. And CB support don't care about it until users continue tips.

 

[megafapper]

My last try...
@punker barbie
May be a few words as official response of the cb support?

P.S. All 10 first places of the CB right now are bot promoted

 

[megafapper]

Last times I watch rooms on the first screen with with less viewers - much more chances that these rooms will be without bots...

 

[AmberCutie]

Are we still on this?

 

[ScarlettPixl]

We should talk instead about how the placement algorithm could be improved to actually favor the legit models who want to provide a good quality show. If only they took more metrics into account like SM does, maybe then the algorithm could favor models who are actually legit, care to give a good show and are providing a fun time to REAL viewers.

I find it nonsensical that their algorithm only favors how many viewers with tokens a streamer has in their room. That makes no sense and it makes it all prone to using illegal ways to hack the placement.

Chaturbate did this to themselves and it's hurting everyone, so if you ask me this is something that has to be fixed by them in their placement algorithm.

I have a few ideas, but I'd rather discuss that in model verified.

 

[Lucid1]

I don't know that a change in placement algorithm would actually do anything tho. As discussed in other threads, with the way CB is marketed - as a free site with loads of affiliate links and advertising revenue, there would most likely be a backlash with possible legal ramifications from 3rd party affiliates, as well as from certain studios who count on model placement to maintain their own revenue streams.

 

[ScarlettPixl]

Granted, there may be some issues with studios but, how would tweaking the algorithm hurt the ad revenue for the site in general? At the end of the day the whole point would be to give everyone a more fair opportunity and let viewers pick the girls with the best streams (In video/Audio quality, satisfaction and other metrics that should matter) and not just favor the popular ones as if it was a high school popularity contest.

 

[ScarlettPixl]

We're talking about the site's health long run. As it stands, the site can go down easily in a short period of time because it'll become unsustainable. Streamate learned this the bad way and made extensive changes to make it what they are nowadays.

 

[Lucid1]

Granted, there may be some issues with studios but, how would tweaking the algorithm hurt the ad revenue for the site in general? At the end of the day the whole point would be to give everyone a more fair opportunity and let viewers pick the girls with the best streams (In video/Audio quality, satisfaction and other metrics that should matter) and not just favor the popular ones as if it was a high school popularity contest.

I think there are two issues at work here: One; is what tools do the sites provide the users to allow them to pick those girls who they want to see, and are they effective enough. Second; are there metrics that could be added to enhance the viewers ability to be more selective in this? Algorithms are usually kept at, or near "trade secret" levels, hence the legal issues I referenced in regards to 3rd party affiliates and studios.

 

[ScarlettPixl]

Maybe this deserves its own thread. What do you all say?

 

[megafapper]

@ScarlettPixl Placement algorithms are still mainly based on the viewer counters. Also it depends on "new" status, on room type (male > couple > trans > female), tip counts. But main part of the rating that affects to the position is the counter of registered viewers with tokens (but this is not the problem at all for the scam web cam studios (first page of the cb is owned right now by bot promoted rooms from Russia and Romania+Moldova)

 

[punker barbie]

Our algorithm ensures fairness in our placement, and allowed members to find models faster based on who they follow and which hashtags the model is using. Secondly, it's important to remember 10k viewers doesn't mean a model is successful hitting her goals. Viewers doesn't always ensure income coming into the models pocket, and after all isn't the point of Chaturbate our community and an independent entrepreneurial opportunity for ANYONE? Literally anyone can start making $$$ using assets most people have already (IE. laptop + wifi)

 

[megafapper]

@punker barbie As I wrote before in this thread - 10K viewers always will attract new real registered members in the room (especially a new, just registered members).
May be each user is smart but crowd is dumb and many and many new members think that if model has 10K viewers then it must be a great show.

Also cb programmers changed placing algorithms last few weeks ago and now models without viewer bots much harder achieve a first screen of the first page. These algorithm don't affect viewerbot rooms.

Because this situation continues a long period of time I think that cb administration think that this is normal. But I can't understand how it can be normal when chat disconnects too often, impossibility to send tips, messages delivered after 30 seconds after sending. And all these bugs present only when bot war between other models and agencies exists on cb. And first page is totally irrelevant. It is totally weird when all first places occupied by low quality show (low resolution, bad light and color, low fps) and occupied by models that do totally NOTHING!
Last months cb looks like ugly brother of cb from one year before.

 

[roydz]

@punker barbie 10K viewers always will attract new real registered members in the room (especially a new, just registered members). May be each user is smart but crowd is dumb and many and many new members think that if model has 10K viewers then it must be a great show.

Not all the time, I've been on CB coming up to 5 years and hardly touch the 'top' cams, the only time I've ever been in the top cam rooms is when somethings caught my eye and I just go in to see whats happening. Otherwise I just browse if no one that I follow is online & look for someone interesting to talk to.

Also cb programmers changed placing algorithms last few weeks ago and now models without viewer bots much harder achieve a first screen of the first page. These algorithm don't affect viewerbot rooms.

..... And first page is totally irrelevant. It is totally weird when all first places occupied by low quality show (low resolution, bad light and color, low fps) and occupied by models that do totally NOTHING!

Now everyone who starts out being a model / performer has the best set up, they normally just start out with the basics - built in webcam & browser. Not everyone thinks about their lighting or how they'll look on cam or even if their internet connection is fast enough. Even some of the models that have been going on for 3 - 6 months are still starting out compared to well established models, so they'll have a little better understanding of their surroundings. But even then there will be issues with these kind of things.

Chaturbate are however rolling out the new OBS software to models to be able to use, so this should fix certain issues when everyone has worked out how to use the software. OBS gives good fps & good resolution compared to using the Flash Based software.