Don't worry you don't need to type to me anymore god forbid! lol...
I never said model's aren't people ? Just so happens models run a business also.
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Don't worry you don't need to type to me anymore god forbid! lol...
I never said model's aren't people ? Just so happens models run a business also.
I only skimmed so I could be way off-base but it seems like you've come up with an elaborate business plan (so elaborate that three pages in to this thread, you're still clarifying your proposal) to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
I've always thought the beauty of camming was that it doesn't take much to get started. A cheap laptop, a webcam and an internet subscription and bingo, yo. Camgirls succeed or fail not because they can or can't afford expensive equipment they don't need but because of their personality, the way they look, the way they market themselves etc.
I guess I'm saying, the overwhelming majority of camgirls simply don't need investment (I'm guessing).
In the words of Duncan Banatyne, "Ah've heard enuff, ahm oot" (I may have alienated 90% of the board with that reference but that's how I roll, bbs).
NOTE: I just read that back and it sounds bitchy. I'm not having a pop or anything, you seem like a decent enough guy, I just think this idea needs some tinkering
I've always thought the beauty of camming was that it doesn't take much to get started. A cheap laptop, a webcam and an internet subscription and bingo, yo. Camgirls succeed or fail not because they can or can't afford expensive equipment they don't need but because of their personality, the way they look, the way they market themselves etc.
I guess I'm saying, the overwhelming majority of camgirls simply don't need investment (I'm guessing).
In the words of Duncan Banatyne, "Ah've heard enuff, ahm oot" (I may have alienated 90% of the board with that reference but that's how I roll, bbs).
NOTE: I just read that back and it sounds bitchy. I'm not having a pop or anything, you seem like a decent enough guy, I just think this idea needs some tinkering
At this point I am SOO incredibly lost as to what your proposal for this is. Not a damned clue how people would invest anonymously, and be paid back anonymously.crowdcamming said:
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I think what it comes down to is the fact that over a VERY short period of time you have grasped at EVERY possible way to use this in the cam world and hopefully benefit from it and NOBODY experienced in the industry thinks it's a good idea or has any interest in it.
No matter how you tweek it it's just no good and you would be doing yourself better justice by putting it down and moving on to something else to make a profit.
We have no need for large investors and no interest in paying people from our earnings over the website we work on when we can just save, buy the mostly cheap equipment ourselves and actually save money from writing it off, not give money to strange people for the rest of our working lives.
No matter how you tweek it it's just no good and you would be doing yourself better justice by putting it down and moving on to something else to make a profit.
We have no need for large investors and no interest in paying people from our earnings over the website we work on when we can just save, buy the mostly cheap equipment ourselves and actually save money from writing it off, not give money to strange people for the rest of our working lives.
SoTxBob said:
As much as it shames me I have asked to see feet before. One model had some cool socks I wanted to see, and another had just painted her toe nails. I like to see artistic things like painted nails which makes following @LacieLaPlante a good use of my time. Do not make promises you can not keep, because the world is full of temptations.
I don't deny you don't. I'm saying the person who is giving you money that isn't considered "investing in you" to invest monetarily ( because I know I'll get hate responses if I don't clarify it!) in someone is to get a financial return back. Of course the person gets back a different kind of return in that he gets to "see you". Those are two separate things. More below...
Again , I'm willing to pay you not just for me but just for whatever you do for the year should I be treated any differently? I guess your willing to deny a client who is willing to spend $200 dollars on your right now for the whole year ? because he didn't "see you" but would rather see you succeed and make a little bit on his money at the end of the year.
I mean I guess its pretty simple. I don't know what you make ( don't expect you to tell me that's private) but if you bring in $10,000 a yr. @ MFC and you don't know that is the going to be the case every year then ya that works fine OR you could give a little bit back to clients/peers who put down $200 - $500 and have $20,000 a yr up front to spend. I mean I guess it comes down to how much you want to make and how you want to do it ? Right?
I think what it boils down to is that you are trying to (very loosely) apply specific business practices to a very specialized and "niche" market, in Camsites/Girls
This will absolutely never ever work, Its an overcomplicated answer to a problem that does not exist
This will absolutely never ever work, Its an overcomplicated answer to a problem that does not exist
I think I have adorable feet. Would you like to invest in an up-front, long term care plan in my feet? I can guarantee you will see well pedicured and moisturized feet over the next 12 months. A simple donation of $2000 will buy you in to the plan and reserve a seat for you.mynameisbob84 said:
I'll do an example :-D
Let's say we have two funds called AmberCutie.A shares and AmberCutie.B Shares.
Ambercutie.A shares have - 10 girls! and the investors don't know who is in the portfolio,right?
Ambercutie.B shares have - 25 girls! and the investors don't know who is in the portfolio again.
This solves the "picking on the model" because I "own them" or something because the investor has no idea who they are.
BUT guess what the investor does know!! :dance:
Ambercutie.A shares have a return of 5% on them !!! but oh no look Ambercutie.B shares only have 2%
Hmmm... so now this is a free-market I can pick which portofolio is going to give me a better return right ?
Oh and all investors are paid out of the fund not any one particular girl.
sweetiebatman said:
It's already happening. You can go to crowdcube.com to see how it works for business's. People are investing in business's now how is this any different?
crowdcamming said:
I'm sorry, I had to laugh my ass off at that one.... porn being funded by offbeater. Kinda goes without saying that it is, by nature.
:lol:
Whatever happened to just Teeping for Bobs, BB?
Is that not supporting in its own right, Can my favourite camgirl from darkest Peru not get a nice cam now?
When should I worry about floating her on the stock market?
Is that not supporting in its own right, Can my favourite camgirl from darkest Peru not get a nice cam now?
When should I worry about floating her on the stock market?
AmberCutie said:
It's funny you should mention that, bb. We have a one-time-only sale currently running on our Pedi-Plan 3000 business package. I can have $13,000 deposited in your bank within 24 hours if you agree to our terms and conditions (you don't have to read them, they're not important, you'll just wind up paying some money back each month until your 80th birthday, at which point any interest outstanding will be deferred to your children and then your children's children... or something like that. I'm not too sure about the specifics myself but I DO know this is a great business opportunity for the both of us!)
Ok yeah. After reading this, I couldn't agree more with the quote below:crowdcamming said:
I'll do an example :-D
Let's say we have two funds called AmberCutie.A shares and AmberCutie.B Shares.
Ambercutie.A shares have - 10 girls! and the investors don't know who is in the portfolio,right?
Ambercutie.B shares have - 25 girls! and the investors don't know who is in the portfolio again.
This solves the "picking on the model" because I "own them" or something because the investor has no idea who they are.
BUT guess what the investor does know!! :dance:
Ambercutie.A shares have a return of 5% on them !!! but oh no look Ambercutie.B shares only have 2%
Hmmm... so now this is a free-market I can pick which portofolio is going to give me a better return right ?
Oh and all investors are paid out of the fund not any one particular girl.
sweetiebatman said:
If you haven't caught on yet from all the previous posts from girls in the industry, we would much prefer just to exchange a video or pic set for someone buying a $80 webcam for us off of our anonymously addressed withlist and being free of any future obligations to this "investor". And paying our camsite host (MFC/Streamate/cams.com etc) for the interface, marketing, traffic and whatnot is completely fine to be paid for with a small chunk of our monthly income. We keep saying this, and we're the ones actually IN this business, but for some reason you refuse to accept that as the case.
Feel free to thank my post if you agree. :thumbleft:
crowdcamming said:
Tips work just like this... they like you, they tip and thus finance you to keep going. Your system is pointless.
I'm gonna assume there is a 3rd party involved here, a paypal or MFC type middleman. What's their skim?
Not sure how it can be a pyramid if everyone has equal shares but I'm open to hear it.
Yup, there is always a risk to an investor. I suppose a "fill in" would be in order?
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The old saying goes.... don't shit where you eat. Peers make the worst investors. You get one butthurt "investor peer" who is one of your regulars and overnight, you lose half your audience because they have left in an offended huff and start smearing you.
Imagine... Mr.Butthurt who invested $100 decided one afternoon he isnt being paid enough attention. He starts bugging the model relentlessly. She bans him from the room. Oh wait, as an investor, she probably wont be able to.
Good luck with that new webcam site. :lol:
I wasn't aware I was suppose to "catch on" ? I believe they were talking about what currently happens. I never said that isn't a bad way to do it. MFC provides a way to do what you need to do that is fine. All I was suggesting ( god forbid ) that you should get more for what your worth in my opinion. I didn't know this was frowned upon. I didn't know empowerment and getting more money is a problem here . I thought I was doing some good I guess not! Never mind I know when to exit. I should assume this topic will be banned from discussions to right ? No more crowd funding talk :naughty:
I thought it was a good idea but I rest my case the old way is the better way .,,,, let the negative comments flow below .....
So by YOU/investors taking a cut, it's somehow better for us than MFC taking it. That really seems to be what you're stating here.crowdcamming said:
Edit: by the way, this will only be locked/edited if the topic becomes a "beating a dead horse" situation, or it becomes more about arguing moot points than providing constructive insight. Much like the other thread you're thinking of did. I can tell by the tone of your statements that it WILL likely turn out that way, but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt at this point.
If you are worth twice as much as what MFC is taking sure. As I said above if you could have $20,000 vs. $10,000 you would take $20,000 if I'm not mistaken?
If people/clients/friends/ME value you at $200 vs. $100 . You are no much a number to MCF at the end of the day as you are to your investor but why not get paid twice as much? or giving the people who value you more the piece of the action as much as MFC is getting.
No-brainer in my opinion.
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No, if you apply for a business CC account and you have no business, I cant speak for anyone other than Chase, they told me if you have no business they issue it as a regular CC account (but the card says business go figure) however the terms of a business CC account are different. A regular unsecured CC they will sell an delinquent account off to a collection agent, IIRC a business account they will go after assets.
If you have no credit, and no real credit score/report... you should probably start with a prepaid CC and use the shit out of it, and keep it paid for about 6-12 months. This will give you a good basic credit report. Then chances are good you will be able to get other standard cards easier, providing yu make enough money. Discover requires you make at least $20K to apply, but as far as I know many others don't.
Store credit cards also are a good way to beef up your credit score/report.
CC aren't like they used to be, they used to give em to anyone. Now they are a little more cautious and make ya work for it.
The good thing is, once you have one standard CC.... you'll get offered 100 more. Bank of America is kinda desperate for fresh meat, the are on the edge of going broke, they probably will issue an account fairly easy. Call em up, and talk to them before you apply because when they turn you down, it dings your credit score a tiny bit.
CitiBank seems always eager too.
For a first card, call around to BoA, CitiBank, and a few others and tell em it's your first card and if you can show a decent income, I don't see why any of them won't issue you a low limit CC account to build on.
Any credit is good credit, gas cards, stores like wal mart or best buy, target or sears. They all build up a good score.
But a prepaid visa card is a good way to get your foot in the door. If you use it and keep it paid, within a year you'll be able to get any card you want.
Baby steps.
Ok, fair enough.crowdcamming said:
So you're thinking that the $ the investors could put in would provide as much worth as a camsite does to a model, but provide more net profit? And the only thing a model would have to agree to is paying interest on the investment so long as she was profitable. Right? And if she decided that it wasn't worth it, she could walk away since no one knew her real identifying information, leaving the investors to make money only off of the other models in group.A.
I think I understand.
I think there comes a time when you just have to say 'okay, that idea wasn't the best. Let's move on'. Lord knows I've been there. I thought that legally mandating daily blowjobs was a fucking fantastic idea, my local council just didn't want to hear it though. I had flow charts, diagrams, statistics, colouful illustrations... eventually I just had to concede the idea wasn't going to get any traction.
I dare say we've reached that point with this idea, yo.
I dare say we've reached that point with this idea, yo.
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CC are not loans. They are lines of credit.
Passionate customers are not good investors. They make great consumers. They suck at investing. A standard loan or CC is clean money with no strings. Customer funded investment is.... a bad idea.
CC are not loans. They are lines of credit.
Passionate customers are not good investors. They make great consumers. They suck at investing. A standard loan or CC is clean money with no strings. Customer funded investment is.... a bad idea.
Not to mention that a bank handing out a CC or a loan merely wants you to agree to pay them back (with interest) at some point, whereas an investor in a business expects some sort of equity, thus entitling them to have some sort of say in how the business is run or if the business is allowed to call it quits if they aren't happy.Paulie Walnuts said:
Btw: I'm not here to convince anyone of anything I'm just stating what I believe to be common sense and debating around it. I said in the very beginning this idea could easily be a VERY bad idea and still might be just playing it out.
Yes, you got it. If MFC assumes you bring x amount of dollars for them and you could find an "equal bidder" so to speak you would go to the person with the highest price I'm assuming. I believe that is the people who care about what you do and want you to succeed that will put down the money for what you think your worth. I'm not saying MFC doesn't want you to succeed - they do because they profit from it and of course you still NEED MFC ( that isn't taken out of the equation) . In return as you said the "fee's" go to the people who valued your more which is fair this is the reward no different then what MFC does. Now as for models walking away I think that less likely to happen because you know "how much your worth" by what people are willing to upfront you. I'll start with this.
I don't agree. I think the customers are your biggest investors. You can look at kickstarter right now - there are projects on there people are funding why you ask ? because they are passionate about the product! No different here . Just the reward is equity.
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You have changed your business plan like 10 times in the last 2 hours and nobody knows what your even talking about or proposing exactly anymore.
You're very flighty and confusing. You also don't bring a business proposal into the offices of your potential clients, get turned down, throw a temper tantrum, make sarcastic comments towards the big boss like you just did towards Amber and expect that they will hear any further variations of your idea. That's just business. We don't need you, you need us. As in any business when this is the case the person who is in need is in no place to be defensive or argumentative and is likely to get an adult version of a spanking when they act like a child.
Before you present your next get rich quick idea to a panel of experts be prepared to be turned down, maybe even laughed at and walk away with some dignity and class so that when you have a good idea people don't instantly laugh it off and you have an actual chance at being successful.
You're very flighty and confusing. You also don't bring a business proposal into the offices of your potential clients, get turned down, throw a temper tantrum, make sarcastic comments towards the big boss like you just did towards Amber and expect that they will hear any further variations of your idea. That's just business. We don't need you, you need us. As in any business when this is the case the person who is in need is in no place to be defensive or argumentative and is likely to get an adult version of a spanking when they act like a child.
Before you present your next get rich quick idea to a panel of experts be prepared to be turned down, maybe even laughed at and walk away with some dignity and class so that when you have a good idea people don't instantly laugh it off and you have an actual chance at being successful.
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