[Idea] Crowdfunding Cam Girls

[JoleneBrody]

Considering there are many members who use just paying tokens for a show often as an excuse to be controlling to a cam girl, this idea is not only seriously not necessary but could attract all the people who would try and use it solely to do exactly what you pointed out, be personally involved in a models life and feel control and likely entitlement.

Paulie makes great points! A good chunk of cam girls are in fact already LLC's or S-corps for tax purposes. Plus it is very beneficial for camgirls to make the majority of their purchases themselves because we get to write those purchases off in the end saving ourselves a lot of money in taxes.

Though this idea is an interesting thought it's just not something that would benefit the web cam industry. Porn, yes because the overhead on a porn production is one time and can be high but the potential income from that one time investment can be long lived and quite large over time.
Webcamming is something that cost very little to get started but is a constant investment and also leaves too much room for abuse of power.

 

[Shaun__]

Back on topic: don't people already do this type of thing with cam girls they enjoy watching? All most girls have to do is add something to their wishlist & offer an exchange of goods (item for smut) or put it as a goal for their countdown.

I just think it is silly to trade future profits for something like lighting or a webcam. If a model needs something putting it on her wishlist for Skype or videos is a much lower cost way of getting them.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can tell your resiment for investors

If you mean "resentment", you are wrong. Investors are often vital for a large business startup.

Resentment is not the word you're looking for. I think you mean "disdain". I have found out the hard dirty way that the less someone invests, the more of a clueless pain in the ass they are.

Some unwashed basement dweller who invests $100 bucks to a cam girl he's been beating off to for weeks is not a good investor to accept. You don't want any of your investors having a personal/emotional attachment to the investment or the person's business he is investing in.

Cleaner money is easier to get from people who don't honestly give a rats ass what you are doing with it so long as they get it back + interest.

 

[crowdcamming]

Paulie makes great points! A good chunk of cam girls are in fact already LLC's or S-corps for tax purposes. Plus it is very beneficial for camgirls to make the majority of their purchases themselves because we get to write those purchases off in the end saving ourselves a lot of money in taxes.

Yes, this is why this fits so nicely is most cam girls are already declared LLC's or S-Corp's for tax purposes. When this law goes into effect in 2013 it would be logical transition to let girls benefit for their perspective business's.

Though this idea is an interesting thought it's just not something that would benefit the web cam industry. Porn, yes because the overhead on a porn production is one time and can be high but the potential income from that one time investment can be long lived and quite large over time.
Webcamming is something that cost very little to get started but is a constant investment and also leaves too much room for abuse of power.

Porn is a perfect model and is already being crowdfunded through offbeatr . It's only going to get bigger good points. Paulie did make some excellent points and digesting further what she said.

 

[crowdcamming]

I can tell your resiment for investors

If you mean "resentment", you are wrong. Investors are often vital for a large business startup.

Resentment is not the word you're looking for. I think you mean "disdain". I have found out the hard dirty way that the less someone invests, the more of a clueless pain in the ass they are.

Some unwashed basement dweller who invests $100 bucks to a cam girl he's been beating off to for weeks is not a good investor to accept. You don't want any of your investors having a personal/emotional attachment to the investment or the person's business he is investing in.

Cleaner money is easier to get from people who don't honestly give a rats ass what you are doing with it so long as they get it back + interest.

My apologies "resentment" is the word. Disdain would be more fitting. I'll take the opposite view point if you have a client who just loves you and everything you do and wants you to suceed with "other clients" why wouldn't it be in their best interest to help you? In return, they know you'll be around for as long as they are around. I think I read a post on this forum of all the girls who eventually fad away. Why is this ?

 

[AedanRayne]

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Yes, I hear what your saying. I suppose the better angle is the set-up of the webcamming business. I can tell your resiment for investors As mentioned above someone was mentioning they don't want to be controlled by their investors which I'm not sure is entirely true. I think alot of people would be hands-off and let the models do what they want. I think the webcam site business model fits this pretty nicely thanks for the constructive feedback!

I didn't mean to thank your post :lol: I wanted to quote it

In a perfect world, the investors would take a "hands off approach" as you stated but we do not live in such a world. Cam girls would be dealing with any Joe Schmoe who gets a hair up their ass and wants to be a "business man" to impress a new lady on the block. Truth is, I cannot tell you how many times I've had entitled men feel as if they can direct my life due to a purchase of a $20 toy or tipped me 200 tokens. Some people are downright delusional and these could be the types that'd become an "investor". I foresee loads of issues for any model who would get involved in your current business plan.

Paulie was spot on. An LLC is definitely the best way to go on the models part as it leads to a lot of incredible opportunities / tax cuts. Even without an LCC, models should save their receipts for anything business related (cam, computer, lighting equipment, lingerie, etc) because they are tax deductible (speaking from US experience only).

 

[crowdcamming]

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Yes, I hear what your saying. I suppose the better angle is the set-up of the webcamming business. I can tell your resiment for investors As mentioned above someone was mentioning they don't want to be controlled by their investors which I'm not sure is entirely true. I think alot of people would be hands-off and let the models do what they want. I think the webcam site business model fits this pretty nicely thanks for the constructive feedback!

I didn't mean to thank your post :lol: I wanted to quote it

In a perfect world, the investors would take a "hands off approach" as you stated but we do not live in such a world. Cam girls would be dealing with any Joe Schmoe who gets a hair up their ass and wants to be a "business man" to impress a new lady on the block. Truth is, I cannot tell you how many times I've had entitled men feel as if they can direct my life due to a purchase of a $20 toy or tipped me 200 tokens. Some people are downright delusional and these could be the types that'd become an "investor". I foresee loads of issues for any model who would get involved in your current business plan.

Paulie was spot on. An LLC is definitely the best way to go on the models part as it leads to a lot of incredible opportunities / tax cuts. Even without an LCC, models should save their receipts for anything business related (cam, computer, lighting equipment, lingerie, etc) because are tax deductible (speaking from US experience only).

No going to lie I was like how the hell did I get thanked after all the drama I was like someone likes me lol..

I can see your point I guess if I had $100 dollars invested in you I would want to have a say in a lot of things. How about this. What if there is a "general fund" that is anonoymous into who comes to get some money for different things. The people who invest (mutual fund sort of idea in there is a portfolio of models) will be allocated webcam time/tokens for their investment - for the various models but they also know its not just "one model" they can "boss" around. I can see this as a boon to the webcam industry as then "any one" can come in and grab the resources necessary to get up and running. Just playing out ideas here.

 

[Jessi]

How about this. What if there is a "general fund" that is anonoymous into who comes to get some money for different things. The people who invest (mutual fund sort of idea) will be allocated webcam time for the various models but they also know its not just "one model" they can "boss" around. Just playing out ideas here.

Thats kind of like a camsite. The guys pay in and do shows with whatever model they choose. The difference being that once paid the models can spend their earnings on whatever they want instead of specific items.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Paulie makes great points! A good chunk of cam girls are in fact already LLC's or S-corps for tax purposes

If you can show on paper that your LLC/S-corp is regularly turning a profit, getting business credit is easy. The only snag you may hit is the internet porn aspect, but.... you can easily hide the real money maker behind more socially acceptable fronts, if you are trying to secure large loans (why you would need large loans, I have no idea).

I would think from what I read you gals discussing, a simple business account credit card with a nice healthy limit would be all you would need in the way of funding.
Chase didn't even ask me what I did for a living when they issued me business credit, I doubt any CC company does. All they give a shit about is that you carry a balance, so they can bleed you for a little interest monthly and they don't care how little it is, with CC companies, the fact that you carry a balance and pay interest every month show them that quite often, people like you and I will run the cards up for temporary investments in whatever... (they don't care.. or ask, I love credit cards) and if you take 6 months to pay it back, they get a return. On one card that's tiny but they have issued millions of accounts and have millions of people paying $5 or more in interest monthly, so in the big picture, they love people who carry a small balance.

Paying off the cards in full, will make them angry and they will stop offering you cool deals and upping your limit. If you are going to keep a business CC account as a funding source for your cam business.... NEVER EVER pay it off in full. Make sure you feed them back a few bucks a month in interest and you'll have a permanent source of money forever.

 

[crowdcamming]

Thats kind of like a camsite. The guys pay in and do shows with whatever model they choose. The difference being that once paid the models can spend their earnings on whatever they want instead of specific items.

The difference is they are getting equity in return not from one but from a lot of girls thus its in their interest to support you. I mean I guess the debate is whether someone is interested in getting equity in return for helping support their fav. cam model(s) . As it stands now yes you collect and go spend but what if you really could collect say $50,000 or so instead and really invest in your business? Just throwing out hypothetical #. I guess that is the other debate is could you use in having $50,000 vs. say $10,000 a yr/ ( not sure how much you all make a year). And to Paulie's point you could take out a business loan but why not get funded by your peers? it's happening elsewhere.

 

[Jessi]

Paulie makes great points! A good chunk of cam girls are in fact already LLC's or S-corps for tax purposes

If you can show on paper that your LLC/S-corp is regularly turning a profit, getting business credit is easy. The only snag you may hit is the internet porn aspect, but.... you can easily hide the real money maker behind more socially acceptable fronts, if you are trying to secure large loans (why you would need large loans, I have no idea).

I would think from what I read you gals discussing, a simple business account credit card with a nice healthy limit would be all you would need in the way of funding.
Chase didn't even ask me what I did for a living when they issued me business credit, I doubt any CC company does. All they give a shit about is that you carry a balance, so they can bleed you for a little interest monthly and they don't care how little it is, with CC companies, the fact that you carry a balance and pay interest every month show them that quite often, people like you and I will run the cards up for temporary investments in whatever... (they don't care.. or ask, I love credit cards) and if you take 6 months to pay it back, they get a return. On one card that's tiny but they have issued millions of accounts and have millions of people paying $5 or more in interest monthly, so in the big picture, they love people who carry a small balance.

Paying off the cards in full, will make them angry and they will stop offering you cool deals and upping your limit. If you are going to keep a business CC account as a funding source for your cam business.... NEVER EVER pay it off in full. Make sure you feed them back a few bucks a month in interest and you'll have a permanent source of money forever.

Thanks for posting this Paulie. I am looking at getting my first credit card (yeah I'm a late bloomer financially) and everyone is telling me to go with a low-rate student card. Is the business card just for people who are llc/incorporated? Sorry if this is off-topic and kind of stupid.

 

[crowdcamming]

Thanks for posting this Paulie. I am looking at getting my first credit card (yeah I'm a late bloomer financially) and everyone is telling me to go with a low-rate student card. Is the business card just for people who are llc/incorporated? Sorry if this is off-topic and kind of stupid.

Not off-topic at all. I think you hit excatly what the question should be. How easy is it to get a loan these days? And is it just a matter of "getting a loan" that helps your business to grow and do you even consider yourself a business are the questions? I can tell you right now crowdfunding projects on kickstarter are getting a 'passionate' base of customers which is much different then just going out getting a loan.

 

[Shaun__]

Thats kind of like a camsite. The guys pay in and do shows with whatever model they choose. The difference being that once paid the models can spend their earnings on whatever they want instead of specific items.

The difference is they are getting equity in return not from one but from a lot of girls thus its in their interest to support you. I mean I guess the debate is whether someone is interested in getting equity in return for helping support their fav. cam model(s) . As it stands now yes you collect and go spend but what if you really could collect say $50,000 or so instead and really invest in your business? Just throwing out hypothetical #. I guess that is the other debate is could you use in having $50,000 vs. say $10,000 a yr/ ( not sure how much you all make a year). And to Paulie's point you could take out a business loan but why not get funded by your peers? it's happening elsewhere.

Why will anyone give a model $50,000. Looking at MFC the average payout is in the low thousands. My ROI would be lower than the regular stocks in my 401K. Investing in MFC is a great idea, but investing in individual models is not.

In order for your idea to work you would have to create something full of AAA+ models for it to be worth investing in. You could then have different levels of risk and payouts as well to suit different kinds of investors. You know the same thing the banks did with home mortgages, before they realized asking the people rating the mortgages to lie would be more profitable.

 

[Jessi]

Thats kind of like a camsite. The guys pay in and do shows with whatever model they choose. The difference being that once paid the models can spend their earnings on whatever they want instead of specific items.

The difference is they are getting equity in return not from one but from a lot of girls thus its in their interest to support you. I mean I guess the debate is whether someone is interested in getting equity in return for helping support their fav. cam model(s) . As it stands now yes you collect and go spend but what if you really could collect say $50,000 or so instead and really invest in your business? Just throwing out hypothetical #. I guess that is the other part I mean could you find use in having $50,000 vs. say $10,000 a yr/ ( not sure how much you all make a year).

Guys do get equity from a lot of girls. They buy the tokens from MFC (the investment) and then they get to choose what girl they wanna hang with. It would be impossible to evenly distribute or schedule that, and if you told them something like "You're this tier investor, you get to cam with these girls, invest more to unlock the next level!" people might lost interest.

How is one girl going to invest 50,000 toward camming? A laptop isnt going to be more than $3,000 and a logitech 9000 is only $80 (even top 20 girls favour this one). If someone just handed me $50k Id probably just reinvest the money elsewhere and buy a few nice things with it. It would be hard to find camming-related applications for all that money. The startup cost for becoming a webcam model could be as low at 500$ (cheap netbook and cam) and within her first month of working hard, she'd have enough to upgrade. But most girls in north america or the uk can afford those things anyway, already own them or coudl borrow from a friend.

Or do you just mean earning $50,000 a year? A lot of models make way more than that, because they get on cam and work, and the dudes pay them for shows and content.

I feel like I'm really not understanding your post.

 

[crowdcamming]

Why will anyone give a model $50,000. Looking at MFC the average payout is in the low thousands. My ROI would be lower than the regular stocks in my 401K. Investing in MFC is a great idea, but investing in individual models is not.

In order for your idea to work you would have to create something full of AAA+ models for it to be worth investing in. You could then have different levels of risk and payouts as well to suit different kinds of investors. You know the same thing the banks did with home mortgages, before they realized asking the people rating the mortgages to lie would be more profitable.

I should have clarified I'm saying if the mutual fund ( grand total ) say its $200 to get into WebCam.A shares and you have 1,000 shares available - that would be $200,000 worth spread across the portfolio . If say you had 10 girls that is $20,000 each. Right, as you mentioned there could be different level of risks lets take best case scenario take the best cam girl out there can turn over $50,000 - $100,000 a yr or as a group as a whole - you are looking at substantial profit in return for your $200 dollars. The models who stick it out get a better rating .

 

[Jessi]

Why will anyone give a model $50,000. Looking at MFC the average payout is in the low thousands. My ROI would be lower than the regular stocks in my 401K. Investing in MFC is a great idea, but investing in individual models is not.

In order for your idea to work you would have to create something full of AAA+ models for it to be worth investing in. You could then have different levels of risk and payouts as well to suit different kinds of investors. You know the same thing the banks did with home mortgages, before they realized asking the people rating the mortgages to lie would be more profitable.

I should have clarified I'm saying if the mutual fund ( grand total ) say its $200 to get into WebCam.A shares and you have 1,000 shares available - that would be $200,000 worth spread across the portfolio . If say you had 10 girls that is $20,000 each. Right, as you mentioned there could be different level of risks lets take best case scenario take the best cam girl out there can turn over $50,000 - $100,000 a yr or as a group as a whole - you are looking at substantial profit in return for your $200 dollars. The models who stick it out get a better rating .

Isn't that what a studio does? They give the models startup equipment and sometimes camming space, just use other sites like streamate or mfc for the feeds and advertising. (And there are virtual studios which do jack shit and just take advantage of ignorant girls but that has nothing to do with this thread)

 

[crowdcamming]

Guys do get equity from a lot of girls. They buy the tokens from MFC (the investment) and then they get to choose what girl they wanna hang with. It would be impossible to evenly distribute or schedule that, and if you told them something like "You're this tier investor, you get to cam with these girls, invest more to unlock the next level!" people might lost interest.

How is one girl going to invest 50,000 toward camming? A laptop isnt going to be more than $3,000 and a logitech 9000 is only $80 (even top 20 girls favour this one). If someone just handed me $50k Id probably just reinvest the money elsewhere and buy a few nice things with it. It would be hard to find camming-related applications for all that money. The startup cost for becoming a webcam model could be as low at 500$ (cheap netbook and cam) and within her first month of working hard, she'd have enough to upgrade. But most girls in north america or the uk can afford those things anyway, already own them or coudl borrow from a friend.

Or do you just mean earning $50,000 a year? A lot of models make way more than that, because they get on cam and work, and the dudes pay them for shows and content.

I feel like I'm really not understanding your post.

Yes, we might be mincing words. You think by them paying you for tokens they are "investing" in you. That isn't entirely true. You don't take that money and put back into the business like you said you go and spend elsewhere. I think the bigger point is you are getting paid even before you even do a webcam show. $20,000 is invested in you to do shows for the yr. and you can still spend however you want or invest back. Does this help? I agree maybe you don't need $20,000 for a laptop but it would nice to know you have access to it would it not? Good points you make.

 

[crowdcamming]

Isn't that what a studio does? They give the models startup equipment and sometimes camming space, just use other sites like streamate or mfc for the feeds and advertising. (And there are virtual studios which do jack shit and just take advantage of ignorant girls but that has nothing to do with this thread)

I think you'd rather have your clients/peers who care about you not the studio backing you right? Unless you have disdain for your clients I don't know lol

btw: I do think this would separate people who are serious about it not some "flakey, shady" type business men as been portrayed here. I think there would be genuine interest in someone who wants to invest you in you. Could be way off but not everyone is bad right ? lol...I mean I would invest.

 

[SoTxBob]

I could use a cash injection for my business.... Anybody want to loan me $60K ? I will pay 5% interest [roughly double what banks will give you] and payback will be less than 10 years. :whistle: :-D

 

[crowdcamming]

I could use a cash injection for my business.... Anybody want to loan me $60K ? I will pay 5% interest [roughly double what banks will give you] and payback will be less than 10 years. :whistle: :-D

lol :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

I could use a cash injection for my business.... Anybody want to loan me $60K ? I will pay 5% interest [roughly double what banks will give you] and payback will be less than 10 years. :whistle: :-D

Just make checks payable to SoTxBob, right?

 

[Shaun__]

I should have clarified I'm saying if the mutual fund ( grand total ) say its $200 to get into WebCam.A shares and you have 1,000 shares available - that would be $200,000 worth spread across the portfolio . If say you had 10 girls that is $20,000 each. Right, as you mentioned there could be different level of risks lets take best case scenario take the best cam girl out there can turn over $50,000 - $100,000 a yr or as a group as a whole - you are looking at substantial profit in return for your $200 dollars. The models who stick it out get a better rating .

You missed the subtle comment about the housing bubble. The reason the banks started lying about the quality of mortgages is that they ran out of good ones, and started using subprime to make up the numbers they needed. You are in an even worse position, all the great models making $50,000 - $100,000 a yr have zero need of you. I want to invest in them, not 100 models on page five. The best way for me to make money off of 100 page 5 models would be to invest thousands into starting a studio.

If you want to make money with women doing all the work you should just start a webcam site, start a studio, or become a pimp.

 

[crowdcamming]

If you want to make money with women doing all the work you should just start a webcam site, start a studio, or become a pimp.

Doing the work for me? It's already happening. I'm trying to figure out a way to get more up-front in your pocket vs. the studio. This isn't a loan this is a equity-stake so not sure where your going on about mortage loans? There isn't anything to payback.

 

[Jessi]

Guys do get equity from a lot of girls. They buy the tokens from MFC (the investment) and then they get to choose what girl they wanna hang with. It would be impossible to evenly distribute or schedule that, and if you told them something like "You're this tier investor, you get to cam with these girls, invest more to unlock the next level!" people might lost interest.

How is one girl going to invest 50,000 toward camming? A laptop isnt going to be more than $3,000 and a logitech 9000 is only $80 (even top 20 girls favour this one). If someone just handed me $50k Id probably just reinvest the money elsewhere and buy a few nice things with it. It would be hard to find camming-related applications for all that money. The startup cost for becoming a webcam model could be as low at 500$ (cheap netbook and cam) and within her first month of working hard, she'd have enough to upgrade. But most girls in north america or the uk can afford those things anyway, already own them or coudl borrow from a friend.

Or do you just mean earning $50,000 a year? A lot of models make way more than that, because they get on cam and work, and the dudes pay them for shows and content.

I feel like I'm really not understanding your post.

Yes, we might be mincing words. You think by them paying you for tokens they are "investing" in you. That isn't entirely true. You don't take that money and put back into the business like you said you go and spend elsewhere. I think the bigger point is you are getting paid even before you even do a webcam show. $20,000 is invested in you to do shows for the yr. and you can still spend however you want or invest back. Does this help? I agree maybe you don't need $20,000 for a laptop but it would nice to know you have access to it would it not? Good points you make.

They invest in MFC, they choose how much of it goes towards me.
I dont do public masturbation shows, so I only get paid for shows I do and tokens guys tip me as a gift or for little flashes and content. After a two week period, MFC models aren't paid pre-emtively.
How would you enforce scheduling/work quotas to make the model work for a year? Make them sign contracts? A lot of girls wouldnt be willing to do that and you're running into the problem of managing termination fines and a much bigger admin cost than most camsites have. Thats why a token system works. The tokens go into a pool>the amount of work done determines how many tokens the model gets out. If I dick off and dont get on cam for a week, I dont get paid and MFC doesnt have to pay any to come after me to say "HEY you owe us this contract violation fine!". If you made 20k available, a lot of people would take the money and run. If I need money before I have it, I would borrow it from a bank or get a credit card. Mygirlfund and Myfreeimplants are already examples of crowdfunding sites I can go to if I want adult-specific crowdfunding.

 

[JoleneBrody]

getting a 'passionate' base of customers which is much different then just going out getting a loan.

This is our entire point that I feel you are missing. We don't want people "passionately" investing in us. That's where crazy mother fuckers come out. I think any cam girl would rather take a benevolent banks money to buy equipment and pay interest and build our credit for non cam things than some passionate feller who will not only expect to make money off of us forever but will be bothering us at work.

I can see your point I guess if I had $100 dollars invested in you I would want to have a say in a lot of things.

Precisely! Have a say in things for $100 investment? In-fucking-sane!
Even if it was anon people would still try to use it to take advantage.
I just think no matter the example given or different way to work it it's still a model having to give her hard earned money to someone forever because he pitch in $60 bucks to buy her a webcam.
It's a bad idea from the investors side because far more than half of the models who start don't make it past 1 or 2 sessions online. Why would I want to give my money to someone to help them start something they will likely only do twice?

It's just not smart from all sides.

Yes, we might be mincing words. You think by them paying you for tokens they are "investing" in you. That isn't entirely true. You don't take that money and put back into the business like you said you go and spend elsewhere.

Oh and I do invest most of my earnings back into my business. What she was saying is that their is not much we need to spend on that costs THAT much! most peoples everyday bills like rent and internet are our business bills. In order to keep our business running those things have to be paid and often at a higher rate than if we didn't work from home on a webcam. Not all models just spend all of their money on shopping sprees and perfume. I feel from most of your posts that you are trying to profit off of an industry you having little knowledge about or respect for. But that's just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[crowdcamming]

They invest in MFC, they choose how much of it goes towards me.
I dont do public masturbation shows, so I only get paid for shows I do and tokens guys tip me as a gift or for little flashes and content. After a two week period, MFC models aren't paid pre-emtively.
How would you enforce scheduling/work quotas to make the model work for a year? Make them sign contracts? A lot of girls wouldnt be willing to do that and you're running into the problem of managing termination fines and a much bigger admin cost than most camsites have. Thats why a token system works. The tokens go into a pool>the amount of work done determines how many tokens the model gets out. If I dick off and dont get on cam for a week, I dont get paid and MFC doesnt have to pay any to come after me to say "HEY you owe us this contract violation fine!". If you made 20k available, a lot of people would take the money and run. If I need money before I have it, I would borrow it from a bank or get a credit card. Mygirlfund and Myfreeimplants are already examples of crowdfunding sites I can go to if I want adult-specific crowdfunding.

Nothing changes on your work schedule. Just like any investment out there there will be no-return if nobody is working just like how the "token pool" works that you mentioned. I think you would rather people invest in YOU not MFC. You can use MFC as a tool not a sole source of income - you should be able to get full control how much your worth. Which is exactly the point. Let's put it this way if MFC could hand you a check for $20,000 ( probably would much more actually under the crowdinvesting idea) would you say you don't want it because you haven't worked for it yet? Obviously, if you run just like any other business there will be problems. Unfortunately, webcam business isn't so anonymous they have verifications/ ID uploads this would be no different.

The adult-specific crowd funding I guess like mygirlfund I suppose? is not a bad way to get paid I agree.

 

[Shaun__]

If you want to make money with women doing all the work you should just start a webcam site, start a studio, or become a pimp.

Doing the work for me? It's already happening. I'm trying to figure out a way to get more up-front in your pocket vs. the studio. This isn't a loan this is a equity-stake so not sure where your going on about mortage loans? There isn't anything to payback.

I will type slower to you. I can not own equity in a person. Models are people. I am not going to waste any more time on you.

 

[SoTxBob]

This is all TL'DR since yesterday but ... from my skimming this...
with that investment cash someone will be sending me soon.... I'd like to "reinvest" about half of that and get 200 shares of models, A, C, G, H, I, Q, P & Z... :thumbleft: and I will be a silent investor. Wont ever demand U "show feets BB" or give me free skype BC U luuv me. :mrgreen:

 

[crowdcamming]

Precisely! Have a say in things for $100 investment? In-fucking-sane!
Even if it was anon people would still try to use it to take advantage.
I just think no matter the example given or different way to work it it's still a model having to give her hard earned money to someone forever because he pitch in $60 bucks to buy her a webcam.
It's a bad idea from the investors side because far more than half of the models who start don't make it past 1 or 2 sessions online. Why would I want to give my money to someone to help them start something they will likely only do twice?It's just not smart from all sides.

I don't think they would they can't specifically target any one girl. In some ways, the girls would just blend in with the rest on MFC. How would they know?
Will the investors get to pick! it's the free-market! if your game and good at what you do wouldn't you want to be worth 10 times more then what MFC would value you at ?

Oh and I do invest most of my earnings back into my business. What she was saying is that their is not much we need to spend on that costs THAT much! most peoples everyday bills like rent and internet are our business bills. In order to keep our business running those things have to be paid and often at a higher rate than if we didn't work from home on a webcam. Not all models just spend all of their money on shopping sprees and perfume. I feel from most of your posts that you are trying to profit off of an industry you having little knowledge about or respect for. But that's just my :twocents-02cents:

I'm sure some do invest back but I mean REALLY invest back. You could finally set up a marketing campaign without even taking out a business loan! who would have thunk ? I guess we just think empowerment differently :-D

 

[Jessi]

Yes, we might be mincing words. You think by them paying you for tokens they are "investing" in you. That isn't entirely true. You don't take that money and put back into the business like you said you go and spend elsewhere.

Oh and I do invest most of my earnings back into my business. What she was saying is that their is not much we need to spend on that costs THAT much! most peoples everyday bills like rent and internet are our business bills. In order to keep our business running those things have to be paid and often at a higher rate than if we didn't work from home on a webcam. Not all models just spend all of their money on shopping sprees and perfume. I feel from most of your posts that you are trying to profit off of an industry you having little knowledge about or respect for. But that's just my :twocents-02cents:

Yes, I would like to clarify that just for my own image, I DO invest money back into camming, I have to pay internet bills, get toys, I had to replace my computer, buy sexy clothes etc. But It would be HARD to find uses for more than $1000 unless I was buying designer lingerie and stripper poles and sybians all the time, and like we said when we want something we just work more or setup a funding campaign on the sites we already work for. The majority of my earnings go toward my living expenses.

crowdcamming, you seem to really want to get involved in the industry somehow. Perhaps you should consider becoming a model for a while (I dont know your gender, but SM is popular and allows trans and male performers) or consider paying a model to let you job shadow her.

Let's put it this way if MFC could hand you a check for $20,000 ( probably would much more actually under the crowdinvesting idea) would you say you don't want it because you haven't worked for it yet?

Of course not, but MFC and no business that wants to stay afloat would be stupid enough to try pre-emptively pay their employees unless they were contractually obligated to work a set number of hours. One of the reasons a camsite is so profitable is because they keep their admin costs so low. Its not an employer, its a service I use for a small cut and I have no problem paying that cut in exchange for their traffic and hosting which are things I actually need and use.

I don't think theres much more I can add the the thread to help you, except to say that when I need money I will borrow from well established sources, or earn it myself. Everything has been done in this industry, so you're going to have to come up with something totally revolutionary, because we mostly don't need what you're proposing. Goldiloxx/crowdcamming has shown behaviour which makes me as a potential model/customer feel kind of wary to be honest (and for the record I dont think using bitcoins makes you a pedobar :lol: ). From earlier comments you just don't come across as something with much knowledge or respect for the people you want to work with.