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Not one person in this thread has had a nice word for what you're doing. I think we know who's grasping at sticks there, Batman.
 
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JickyJuly said:
Just in case anyone's buying this guy's story, KG bans porn and tries to ban porn sites. So it is not her safe place away from sex work. Her being on Chaturbate is a risk, and it's a risk he's increasing with all of his reporting. I'd be surprised if she works on MFC given all the countries they ban now.
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could a mod look at what this person is saying, please ?

they are factually incorrect

there are many models active in Bishkek and Almaty.

they are active on CB, MFC Strip and the rest.

If you don't know what you are talking about do not just waffle.

I am unsure of the politics of reporting you :)
 
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paige_orion said:
I am curious about how you think repeated reporting her is going to help? Chaturbate bans models if they deem are being reckless for breaking rules - so it's really hard to see how helpful it can be to risk drawing attention to her behavior. If she loses her job, is that really going to fix anything? Do you think that will fix the drug use or help her from being blackmailed? Nah. You might be able to pat yourself on the back for being a hero after that, but that's going to make her life a million times worse. Probably the least helpful thing you can do, imo, and would probably lead to more drug use and a harder life.

If getting her fired is your idea of helping, go ahead. But it really isn't your place to try to fix her. People who do drugs do them for a reason, and they aren't really going to quit because a couple of people are upset. They have to want to quit. And honestly, you have no idea of any outside circumstances that are causing her desire to self-medicate with drugs. Punishing her is NOT going to help.

If it bothers you so much, stop visiting her. I mean, then you won't have to see her drug use and be bothered by it. It's the same effect that will happen if she gets banned from Chaturbate - except it's her life that's going to be ruined. So... Leaving her alone entirely gives you the exact same effect, but without losing her job. If Chaturbate has a problem with her behavior, they'll figure it out on their own and take action. She's a grown woman capable of making her own decisions, not a child who needs rescuing, and if she wants to make money by listening to this high tipper, it's her choice. Your idea of help is just going to make her life a million times harder. OR - here's an idea. If you want to help, instead of reporting her, how about you match the high-tipper's tips? If he tips her to take drugs, try tipping her not to take those drugs? Make it more lucrative for her to not do drugs on cam? She obvious needs the money of the high-tipper, so give her the same money without the bad requests. Then she might be able to afford to ban the bad-tipper. That might ACTUALLY help her. But ultimately, it's not your business. It's hers. Her business and her choice.

Getting her fired isn't helpful. It's a punishment move. It's going to make her life harder. Leave her alone if you care. Let her make her own decisions, and don't help make her world any more difficult than it sounds like it already is.

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Agreed 1000% There was a model that I was a semi regular with for a while and really liked her and her community but she drank to the point of excess and every show turned into a fall down drunk show (with high tippers egging her on to drink more). At least once that I know of she nearly threw up on cam because of drinking too much. I wasn't comfortable with that so I stopped visiting her. It was sad for me and I wish her nothing but the best but it wasn't my place to report her or tell her how to run her business.
 
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sigh_we_only_just_met said:
You're doing it again. You aren't bothering to find out how well I and other people know the person. You aren't caring.

She is in KG ffs, camming is her *alternative* to being a sex worker, crazy as that may seem.

The model actually had a potential career as a sports person and couldn't get paid for that.

I have extensive skype conversations asking for help. Will you stop trying to impose your values on this conversation, please?

I want to know why CB are crap, OK?
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So if CB takes all of your reporting seriously, and she gets banned and can't cam any longer.... What's she going to do then? Go back to a sports person without pay? Become a full service sex-worker? How is she going to make money if she gets banned from CB? How is that caring about her? Are you going to pay all of her bills and support her after that happens? So she doesn't ever have to cam again? She's doing what she feels like she has to do in order to make money, yet it doesn't seem to be matching YOUR values or approval. I try not to judge people who are doing what they feel like they have to do in order to survive. But nor do I try to ruin their lives when their actions don't match up to my values or ideals. It's not my place.

How is it going to better her life? You keep ignoring that question, and insisting that you care, while refusing to acknowledge how dramatically you could affect her life for the worse.

If you genuinely want to help her, that's not the best option. Taking away her only way of making money doesn't seem very caring to me, tbh. Especially when it's not going to cut the drugs out of her life. When she is ready to cut drugs out, she will. But taking away her means of supporting herself is going to cause far more harm than good. That's going to make her life a whole lot harder, and pretending that it won't is super irresponsible, and that's what makes it feel more like a punishment than an act of caring.
 
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CoffeeKnight said:
Agreed 1000% There was a model that I was a semi regular with for a while and really liked her and her community but she drank to the point of excess and every show turned into a fall down drunk show (with high tippers egging her on to drink more). At least once that I know of she nearly threw up on cam because of drinking too much. I wasn't comfortable with that so I stopped visiting her. It was sad for me and I wish her nothing but the best but it wasn't my place to report her or tell her how to run her business.
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But if a site has rules ... wouldn't you want them applied ?
 
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paige_orion said:
So if CB takes all of your reporting seriously, and she gets banned and can't cam any longer.... What's she going to do then? Go back to a sports person without pay? Become a full service sex-worker? How is she going to make money if she gets banned from CB? How is that caring about her? Are you going to pay all of her bills and support her after that happens? So she doesn't ever have to cam again? She's doing what she feels like she has to do in order to make money, yet it doesn't seem to be matching YOUR values or approval. I try not to judge people who are doing what they feel like they have to do in order to survive. But nor do I try to ruin their lives when their actions don't match up to my values or ideals. It's not my place.

How is it going to better her life? You keep ignoring that question, and insisting that you care, while refusing to acknowledge how dramatically you could affect her life for the worse.

If you genuinely want to help her, that's not the best option. Taking away her only way of making money doesn't seem very caring to me, tbh. Especially when it's not going to cut the drugs out of her life. When she is ready to cut drugs out, she will. But taking away her means of supporting herself is going to cause far more harm than good. That's going to make her life a whole lot harder, and pretending that it won't is super irresponsible, and that's what makes it feel more like a punishment than an act of caring.
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Actually I expected and hoped for a reply like yours.

I have thought about this for months and people aren't reading what I asked, they're seeing their own questions.

I'm asking about CB

Let's talk about them not the model or me, that was background.
 
sigh_we_only_just_met said:
But if a site has rules ... wouldn't you want them applied ?
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In my experience the rules when it comes to drug and alcohol use on cam aren't always strictly enforced and that tells me that the site owners want it that way. Probably, as stated above, to give models a level of freedom to run their shows the way they want. Yes, I think rules in general should be obeyed but I'm not going to narc on every person I see in life breaking a rule because life isn't black and white. Plus it isn't my job to police cam sites or their models and frankly it isn't yours either.

Do yourself a favor and find a different model to enjoy and tip. Fretting over this one is just a waste of energy for you and you are going to end up hurting her in the long run.
 
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sigh_we_only_just_met said:
do you have any idea how much cocaine costs in KG ? it is on the other side of the world from where it is produced, fuckwit
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You know entirely too much about underaged cammers, the price of coke in Kerfukistan, and the struggles of the particular model you are describing.

To hell with her, I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to rescue your ass.
 
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CoffeeKnight said:
In my experience the rules when it comes to drug and alcohol use on cam aren't always strictly enforced and that tells me that the site owners want it that way. Probably, as stated above, to give models a level of freedom to run their shows the way they want. Yes, I think rules in general should be obeyed but I'm not going to narc on every person I see in life breaking a rule because life isn't black and white. Plus it isn't my job to police cam sites or their models and frankly it isn't yours either.

Do yourself a favor and find a different model to enjoy and tip. Fretting over this one is just a waste of energy for you and you are going to end up hurting her in the long run.
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I hear what you are saying. But there is more to it than I have said.

How about we stick to CB not applying their own rules.
 
sigh_we_only_just_met said:
Actually I expected and hoped for a reply like yours.

I have thought about this for months and people aren't reading what I asked, they're seeing their own questions.

I'm asking about CB

Let's talk about them not the model or me, that was background.
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Hmmm. Again, no answers. Evading the question. Shrugging away all responsibility. Weird. It's almost like.... You can't answer? Because you know it's not going to help at all? Pick one side or the other, man. Either you care about her and want her life to be better, or you care about the rules and want to see her punished for breaking them. In this instance, it's pretty clear which one you're on. You brought up the model. You brought up the background. You brought up your oh-so-noble intentions. You keep side-stepping the real issue. I am not against models getting punished for flagrant rule breaking. But I do care about people pretending to be heroes and using it as a justification to harm someone's life. If you're going to fuck someone over, at least be honest about it and don't pretend it's for her own good. Acknowledge that you're trying to get her banned as punishment and that you don't care about bettering her life.

CB enforces which rules they want. It's their business. No one can tell when or why they enforce what they choose. They're pretty good at finding rule-breakers and handing out warnings, to judge by the amount of complaints on these boards. If they have a problem with a model's actions, they'll do something about it. But I'm not about to set a witch-hunt on anyone who may slide under their radar, who's just doing what they have to do in order to survive, especially if it's not hurting anyone but themselves. Not when the punishment is going to hurt them a hundred times more.

I've seen a ton of discussions about chat-platforms and their decisions to apply rules. At this point, it's not a super interesting discussion.

Ruining a poor girl's life while pretending to care feels far more important to me.

Edit to add: Calling people "fuckwits" because you don't agree with their responses is hardly a mature or adult discussion. Name-calling isn't really necessary, is it?
 
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heybarkeep said:
Yeah, being up for days will often lead to that. Still a choice they make or illusion they create so not my business. Find other ways to make the world a better place. Don't try to act like a hero if you always find yourself only helping or trying to save things you find pretty. Ulterior motives are clear from the get go usually.
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Did you vote for Donald by any chance :0
 
paige_orion said:
Hmmm. Again, no answers. Evading the question. Shrugging away all responsibility. Weird. It's almost like.... You can't answer? Because you know it's not going to help at all? Pick one side or the other, man. Either you care about her and want her life to be better, or you care about the rules and want to see her punished for breaking them. In this instance, it's pretty clear which one you're on. You brought up the model. You brought up the background. You brought up your oh-so-noble intentions. You keep side-stepping the real issue. I am not against models getting punished for flagrant rule breaking. But I do care about people pretending to be heroes and using it as a justification to harm someone's life. If you're going to fuck someone over, at least be honest about it and don't pretend it's for her own good. Acknowledge that you're trying to get her banned as punishment and that you don't care about bettering her life.

CB enforces which rules they want. It's their business. No one can tell when or why they enforce what they choose. They're pretty good at finding rule-breakers and handing out warnings, to judge by the amount of complaints on these boards. If they have a problem with a model's actions, they'll do something about it. But I'm not about to set a witch-hunt on anyone who may slide under their radar, who's just doing what they have to do in order to survive, especially if it's not hurting anyone but themselves. Not when the punishment is going to hurt them a hundred times more.

I've seen a ton of discussions about chat-platforms and their decisions to apply rules. At this point, it's not a super interesting discussion.

Ruining a poor girl's life while pretending to care feels far more important to me.

Edit to add: Calling people "fuckwits" because you don't agree with their responses is hardly a mature or adult discussion. Name-calling isn't really necessary, is it?
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I'm not avoiding a question. You're making a bunch of statements. It looks to me like a bolierplate anyway, bit obvious when you do it more than once, idiot

Ask me a question and I will answer it!
 
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justjoinedtopost said:
You know entirely too much about underaged cammers, the price of coke in Kerfukistan, and the struggles of the particular model you are describing.

To hell with her, I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to rescue your ass.
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sigh_we_only_just_met said:
I'm not avoiding a question. You're making a bunch of statements. It looks to me like a bolierplate anyway, bit obvious when you do it more than once, idiot

Ask me a question and I will answer it!
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I have some questions for you, how did you imagine this would play out before you decided to make the thread and do you think it is wise to call a cam model idiot on a forum for cam models?
 
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DJ_Pioneer said:
I have some questions for you, how did you imagine this would play out before you decided to make the thread and do you think it is wise to call a cam model idiot on a forum for cam models?
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I didn't start the thread and I was hoping for some sense about CB's drug / alcohol / intoxication policy.

In spite of what other people are suggesting I don't want the model to lose her job and know very well it is one of the few available to her.

I just don't understand why CB didn't even say "don't do that again".
 
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