How much is the typical model making per hour average?

[RedHerby]

I haven't read this whole thread, but to answer your question -
The average camscore is 888 at the moment. In the models only section, you can read up on how many tokens per hour it takes for a 1000 camscore, and then you can just do the math on your own to find out what a model with a 888 camscore makes - thats the average if I'm not terribly mistaken.

The average cam model does not have the average cam score ...

Based on mycamgirl.net , the average cam model has a camscore of just below 500.

When I select "Europe/Russia", the average model has acam score of +/- 375
When I select "North America", the average model has acam score of +/- 1300

Assuming I counted right, not sure about that.

 

[LilyMarie]

I haven't read this whole thread, but to answer your question -
The average camscore is 888 at the moment. In the models only section, you can read up on how many tokens per hour it takes for a 1000 camscore, and then you can just do the math on your own to find out what a model with a 888 camscore makes - thats the average if I'm not terribly mistaken.

The average cam model does not have the average cam score ...

Based on mycamgirl.net , the average cam model has a camscore of just below 500.

When I select "Europe/Russia", the average model has acam score of +/- 375
When I select "North America", the average model has acam score of +/- 1300

Assuming I counted right, not sure about that.

Well this is what it says under every model's camscore graph:

 

[LadyLuna]

I don't think it's any secret that cam girls make good to great money. There's always gonna be people crying about the fact that this person earns this much more than them or that person earns that much more than them, but fuck 'em, ya know? While I can see why a person wouldn't want their exact wages to be public knowledge, I don't see people having a rough idea of what another person earns being a particularly big issue :twocents-02cents:

"good to great money"

is subjective.


Also--Some models DON'T make good money! Some models live paycheck to paycheck---some can't even do that.

You're right. Not every model makes the same amount of money and some earn more than others. Okay, I'll revise...

I don't think it's any secret that top models make better than average money

Not just that... good to great money depends entirely on how much money you actually need. A lot of models need enough to pay off student loans, or to pay for their college courses and classes, on top of rent, utilities, food/transport, and so on.

Plus, amount per hour doesn't tell you anything about her final paycheck, since you don't know how many hours she is capable of working on a daily or weekly basis. You would think at $15/hour for 40 hours a week the average model is raking it in. But very few models are capable of dealing with the rigors of camming for 40 hours a week. And a lot of models have to take time away from camming to do things like housework and errands. Or classes.

Even a top model, you don't know how many people she's supporting with that paycheck. What if she has a sick family member, and not only has to pay her own rent, utilities, and student loans, but the mortgage on her relative's house, as well as hospital bills? Suddenly, $10,000 a week doesn't seem like nearly enough.

This is part of what we mean by "good money is subjective".

 

[JerryBoBerry]

You can count how much a girl makes every hour she is on cam...every time she is on cam--and still not know how much she makes per hour
OR how much she makes in general.........

There are so many factors that unseen. You have no idea how much if at all she is getting in offline tokens. If you are counting amazon GIFTS as income (which IMO is silly) then you have no idea when she is simply taking something off her wishlist rather then having it bought. You have no idea when she is buying an item off her wishlist herself. You have no idea when if at all she is receiving gift cards or payoneer loads or anything like that. If you have no idea what she might be making on other sites...if at all.

Not to mention that you have no idea of the total sum of money each girl in particular is going to have to give back in taxes.

The idea that you think someone can get a "pretty accurate picture of what any model makes if a person wants to"

Is absurd.........IMO :twocents-02cents:

Respectfully (really not arguing here) but there is a way to get very accurate numbers. And the 'unseen' factors actually don't matter. They fall by the way side. You see in mathematics there's a way to guess very accurately a final number based on a series of unknowns or 'fuzzy' amounts. The more guesses you make the closer you come to the actual answer. In this case if someone were to just spend a few hours in a models room and count the tokens (not hard to do at all since all tokens are now recorded in archives and can filtered out with a simple macro) this is one guess. Do that again some other day and that becomes another guess. Listen to the model if she mentions how much hidden tips are for a better guess. Any gifts she mentions can further a guess. If you can see her on other sites, another guess. And so on. ALL of these can be guesses and not exactly perfect, it doesn't matter. The more guesses the more accurate the final answer.

This process is known as the Fermi Problem (or question or estimation, several names). When I took math where this was taught the teacher actually had us do the exact problem listed here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_problem Without looking it up in the phone book we each just guessed at certain questions. When we were done every student in the room had guessed very closely to the actual number of piano tuners that exist in Chicago. That's something I had never even thought about before so i had no clue. It was done entirely by a series of guesses that anyone reading this can do.

I know this seems at first like it's not going to work. Some of your guesses are going to be high, some will be lower than the right amount. Statistically the more you guess, the more those wrong answers cancel each other out. One student can guess there is 3 million people in Chicago and another can guess 8 million. Their final answers will still be close to correct. The first time I heard of it I was doubtful too. But this is actually a well tested method that provides astonishingly close real world numbers. It's used in physics and engineering today to arrive at very quick estimations before detailed computations are done.

As for taxes and stuff like that. Tax rates are public knowledge to anyone and the models circumstance (single, married, 3 kids...) are usually known to regulars in her room. So that calculation is a trivial matter.

ps- I deleted some of the previous quotes and just left the one i'm actually responding to. This was getting a bit long to read with all the others.

 

[RedHerby]

I haven't read this whole thread, but to answer your question -
The average camscore is 888 at the moment. In the models only section, you can read up on how many tokens per hour it takes for a 1000 camscore, and then you can just do the math on your own to find out what a model with a 888 camscore makes - thats the average if I'm not terribly mistaken.

The average cam model does not have the average cam score ...

Based on mycamgirl.net , the average cam model has a camscore of just below 500.

When I select "Europe/Russia", the average model has a cam score of +/- 375
When I select "North America", the average model has a cam score of +/- 1300

Assuming I counted right, not sure about that.

Well this is what it says under every model's camscore graph:

yep, thats the average cam score, I'm talking about the average cam model, the one exactly in the middle ... imho the closest to "the typical model" from the OP.

This model http://mycamgirl.net/myfreecams/model/AwesomeTanya has a cam score of 495 and according to mycamgirl.net that is "This camscore is lower than 50% of the girls."

You can also look at the online models at MFC to locate the (current online) average cam model:

set sort to "cam score"
set "Group models by Group/Private/Away?" to No
deselect everything under "Show at the top of the model list"
set page size to 100 (not essential, just easy)

When I now only select "North America" then there are 206 models online, number 103 is the average cam model with this method, she is number 3 on the second page, an 1329 cam score at this moment. The same for "Europe/Russia" and then the average model did have a 421 cam score.

To answer the question from the OP, the region is important.

 

[Alana Cruise]

I was thinking you may find a lot more information in the models only section. I think most models have explained well but most won't share payment or token info esp in the public ask a model section.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

How much do we make in an hour?

one MILLION dollars

 

[Just Me]

I don't know, something in me just doesn't feel OK about the formula being out in the open so members can quickly calculate what any model makes. :| I'd love my tokens per hour to stay a private matter, I don't think that's something that I have to share with members.

One thing I find amazing with camming is suddenly it seems ok for people to ask you all kinds of personal questions that would NEVER be acceptable with any other job, I'm talking even people from my outside life.

Questions like
"How much do you make?"
"How old are you?"
"when did you last have sex?"

They then seem to think it's ok to give totally unsolicited advice about your job.
Like: Have you tried doing this on cam?
You should work more hours.
You should do this more on cam.
Why don't you make more money?
You shouldn't get fake boobs.
You shouldn't lose weight.
You should lose weight.

Where in the world are ANY of these things deemed acceptable? I would NEVER ask a complete stranger how much they earned! Say you use an estate agent, I don't instantly ask how much they earn soon as I look round a flat, no I ask questions about the flat, you know, relevant questions. I would not ask them personal questions about their house/where they live/their family and how they decorate either. I personally don't think it's any different with camming. A lot of members/people seem to think they have a right to know these things. It's the same with celeb culture. Everyone thinks they have a right to know the personal ins and outs of these peoples lives/earnings/spendings. Um... why? How much actresses make/how much sex they get etc doesn't change how I view them in a film.

There might be a bit of a cultural thing going on here :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

Well this thread sure has turned into a silly argument. :mrgreen:

 

[IsabellaSnow]

There might be a bit of a cultural thing going on here

Oh David Makes me want to watch some peep show! I do love him haha

You're quite possibly right that there are a lot of cultural differences, actually I think there are a lot of cultural differences between english people and other english people and same with Americans. For example, my family are terribly upper middle class, which means they spend most of their time with people of their own class, and then people who are upple class or just middle. Occasionally they'll spend time with people who are either lower middle or working class, and although my mother is very charming and easy to talk to, I know that there are lots of things people will say that'll be insulting/crude.
I am an absolute disgrace to my family, in fact, if I open my mouth at any point to say something I am shushed because I am very inappropriate (apparently) and I talk openly about things that just shouldn't be talked about. Even my accent is common compared to what it once was. My brother calls me a chav. One thing you are NOT allowed to talk about, is money. God know! (actually not supposed to use the lords name in vain either, but jesus, I do it all the time, and during sex, so whatever) To be honest though, although there are various customs etc a lot of it is just over politeness. Discussing money and open displays of wealth are considered rude/tacky.

David Mitchell is VERY english. I come from a very english family so although I'm a lot more chilled/relaxed/open minded than my family is, I will always have this slightly prudish nature. The majority of english people are not this bad, I think it's mainly kids who've gone to old private/boarding schools who get it drilled into them. Like me!

Well this thread sure has turned into a silly argument.

I hadn't read any of the argument bit, I was just prattling on/reading the non long posts.

(btw, I am not arguing with anyone, I'm just chatting shit)

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

A couple of comments. First it is very common to know how much people in the service industry make per hour. I know how much both my cleaning lady and my lawyer make per hour because I pay them. Before hiring a real estate agent I inquire as to how dollars in sales they generated last year(most included the info in their websites) Same thing is true for hiring a plumber,electrician, a masseuse, or shrink, and how long a $100 trip to a private room with a stripper last. I haven't hired a prostitute but I know that is is common to discuss the price per hour with a hooker along with services rendered.

Pretty much all of the info about camscore and how to calculate it is easily available via a google and while ACF has the most extensive info, it isn't even the only source on the web. So those member who care and are math oriented can easily figure it out. Mycamgirl.net also provide the number of hours a girl is online a month so along with the camscore it is pretty easy to calculate their monthly earnings.

It is true that cam girls do have to spend time off line making content answering emails etc. On the other hand the commute time for a typical cam girl is what 30 seconds and most service jobs also require a lot of unpaid time, responding to customer questions, doing research and marketing their services. A good example is lawyers, most law firms want their associates to generate 1800 to 2000 billable hours a year. To do this most associate have to spend 2500-3500 hours a year or 50-70 hours a week at the office along with having to attend continuing education classes. I could be wrong but my sense is that camgirl spend about as much preparing for the job as most other independent contractors offering a service. The big win is the saving the 30 minutes to 2 hours a day commuting which is typical of the vast majority of jobs.

While most jobs have some perks, I think the benefits of receiving gifts that you selected from a wishlist is pretty nice, and frankly Amazon gift cards are better than cash since the represent an after tax income, which I am pretty sure that IRS would tax as income if they could figure out an easy way to do it.

So I think it is very fair to say that even average cam girls make a good wage and top models make a great wage per hour.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Ahhh but Higirls, you've missed the point.

Yes, you would ask a stripper how much it would be to take her in the room, but you wouldn't ask her how many punters she has had that night/how much she's earned. That would be rude and completely irrelevant.

With camgirls, they tell you how much the service is, that's all you need to know. You don't need to know how many other people have paid for that service.

I also don't know how knowing how much a shrink has made in a year has anything to do with you going to them... That is NOT a question I would ask them or an estate agent. If you were say, investing in a company, then yes you would ask those questions, but you wouldn't ask how much x person has made personally. Or at least I hope you wouldn't!

And Amazon gift cards may seem better to you, but wait a second, I cannot pay the bills with this?! I have to buy something off Amazon?! When I need something from Amazon which I'm going to buy anyway and am good for camscore/cash then a gift card is amazing/a very good deal, but sometimes I'll have gift cards just sat there unspent for months! Personally I would rather be able to pay my bills and not dodge tax, than have a load of crap off amazon and not be able to pay bills.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Ahhh but Higirls, you've missed the point.

Yes, you would ask a stripper how much it would be to take her in the room, but you wouldn't ask her how many punters she has had that night/how much she's earned. That would be rude and completely irrelevant.

With camgirls, they tell you how much the service is, that's all you need to know. You don't need to know how many other people have paid for that service.

I also don't know how knowing how much a shrink has made in a year has anything to do with you going to them... That is NOT a question I would ask them or an estate agent. If you were say, investing in a company, then yes you would ask those questions, but you wouldn't ask how much x person has made personally. Or at least I hope you wouldn't!

.

But the thread's title is how much does the typical model make per hour. It is pretty much common knowledge the hourly wages of people in the service industry. In the case of real estate asking how many homes they sold last year gives me a good idea how effective they are,and indirectly tells me a lot about their salary. I should add the widespread of availability of salary information via things like salary surveys has reduced the taboos of asking about money at least in the US. Not that people say Joe how much did you make last year, but with Google it is a pretty easy to get an idea of how much somebody earned last year, in the same way that websites like Zillow let you know how much your neighbors house is worth.

I know several firms where everyone salary is public information, and people have input to raises for coworkers and bosses.

 

[Anonymous]

For those who swear they can figure out what a model makes.....

This is assuming that you're aware of ALL of her sources of income, and that you're aware of every second of the day that she makes a dime, and that you're aware of her private show rates on all of the sites. Remember that some models splitcam, which means they're streaming on 2 or more sites simultaneously. Also remember that you tipping a model 100 GOLD does not mean she gets $100 in her pocket. She is getting a fraction of that amount. Unless you're her camming partner who's literally sitting next to her and seeing EVERY cam site/content site/prebooked cam show transaction, you don't really know what she makes. If it makes you feel better to tell yourself Oh, but I DO know how to figure it out!, well alrighty then...lol.

I seriously doubt models are tweeting you details of EVERY transaction:

"Got another clip order on a $9.99 clip! That's $5.99 in my pocket!"
"Got a 1,000 token offline tip on MFC for a custom video. $50 for me...weee!"
"Just made $50 from one exclusive show on Streamate. HOLLA!!!"

Also remember that just because a model tweets "Thank you, tippers!" after logging off MFC for the night doesn't necessarily mean that she's done working for the day. She may have logged off MFC, but she could be getting ready to cam elsewhere or doing some other work-related thing. I'm active on 4 cam sites, but I only tweet about 2 of them.

 

[LadyLuna]

As far as guessing about ninja tippers...

Dude, a ninja tip can be as little as 20 tokens and as much as 10000 tokens. $1 or $500. Not irrelevant differences. Definitely not irrelevant.

If I get 5 ninja tips, and you guess 20 tokens for each of them, you're guessing I just got $5. If you guess that each was 500 tokens, you're guess I just got $125. Since camscore is the average for that model over the past 60 days as it compares to all the other models' averages over the past 60 days, you need to be watching her room like a hawk, along with her camscore, for at least 3 months before you'll have a decent idea. That's more work than just curiosity, that's stalker-creepy type work.

 

[AmberCutie]

Haven't read, in-depth, the last few longish replies, but I just wanted to remind EVERYONE: mycamgirl.net is not 100% accurate for the most part, if you're looking to calculate actual time online. The absolute only way for a girl to calculate her hourly is to add up the minutes in her MFC admin. (Or have a sweetly-bad-ass custom program that calculates it for her directly from her MFC stats pages. :thumbleft: )

People who do not have access to a models MFC admin pages can not know, accurately, the amount of time she's spent online, nor the tokens she's earned in total, nor per hour. People who are familiar with the camscore algorithm (or as much as is publicly available, since MFC does not directly disclose it) and know how to calculate the average hourly token income for the whole site can get a rough estimate of a girl's hourly token earnings. In order to be even merely on track, though, a person would need to know at least one girl's actual TPH (tokens per hour, for a 60 day calendar period) as well as her exact camscore, as well as the formula for how to find the whole site's TPH.

You can sit and watch girls get tokens all you want, for as long as you want, but you need to have the above in order to even be merely accurate.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[DudeExtreme]

I answered a call from my mom on cam once, put her on speaker, and she said hello to my guys. Everyone was in shock that she was aware and okay with camming. It was pretty funny.

Everyone except one. I was thrilled that I was able to type, "Hi Mom" in your room.

 

[mfc@svfx.com]

A while back I wrote a tool in (for my then-girlfriend) in Apple's Numbers app that takes the publicly available data from mycamgirl.net and very quickly calculates an hourly rate for what a model makes in non-tip income. Mycamgirl doesn't track tips (or if he does, he doesn't publish them) but it was a simple matter to use the deviation between session pay and cam score (per period) to calculate an approximate tip value.

Really, calculating a model's hourly rate is a nearly trivial exercise for anyone proficient with a spreadsheet. I have calculated rates for lots of models, when I find myself wondering, though I certainly don't publish or share that info.

It wouldn't really matter anyway, because (as has been pointed out) camscore is pretty close to an index of compensation. (subject to some unknowns like groups of varying size and also the attempts at gaming it for some perceived subsidiary advantage- don't even get me started about the myth of offline tipping)

Anyway, I brought it up just to point out that while the things some people worry about are trivially easy, there aren't masses of people calculating models' hourly compensation. And if you do want to keep your pay a secret (or at least make it harder to figure out) get yourself taken off of mycamgirl.net. Even then, your camscore is published, and it only takes a few sets of data points to estimate pay from cam score.

I hope that made at least a speck of sense.

updog

 

[PlayboyMegan]

A while back I wrote a tool in (for my then-girlfriend) in Apple's Numbers app that takes the publicly available data from mycamgirl.net and very quickly calculates an hourly rate for what a model makes in non-tip income. Mycamgirl doesn't track tips (or if he does, he doesn't publish them) but it was a simple matter to use the deviation between session pay and cam score (per period) to calculate an approximate tip value.

Really, calculating a model's hourly rate is a nearly trivial exercise for anyone proficient with a spreadsheet. I have calculated rates for lots of models, when I find myself wondering, though I certainly don't publish or share that info.

It wouldn't really matter anyway, because (as has been pointed out) camscore is pretty close to an index of compensation. (subject to some unknowns like groups of varying size and also the attempts at gaming it for some perceived subsidiary advantage- don't even get me started about the myth of offline tipping)

Anyway, I brought it up just to point out that while the things some people worry about are trivially easy, there aren't masses of people calculating models' hourly compensation. And if you do want to keep your pay a secret (or at least make it harder to figure out) get yourself taken off of mycamgirl.net. Even then, your camscore is published, and it only takes a few sets of data points to estimate pay from cam score.

I hope that made at least a speck of sense.

updog

You might know what she makes per hour, but you won't know what she makes a a whole. Since mycamgirl is WAY off on hours. I looked at my charts and thought I was going crazy. So I set a timer while on can and realized my hours were being cut nearly in half. I am not the only model who has had this problem with the site. The hours are far from accurate to many if us. And like others have said, some girls work on multiple sites, that don't have camcores.

 

[mfc@svfx.com]

That's pretty interesting, as I found the mycamgirl stats to be pretty accurate at least as far as my then-gf's hours were concerned. She doesn't work a huge number of hours, though.

I don't think it matters whether a model is on other sites - mycamgirl gets its mfc data by polling mfc with no help from mfc (or so he says, I don't have any credible reason to disbelieve him.)

As a side note, he does seem to be rather protective of the data he mines (not a bad thing)- I asked if he could, while polling MFC, compile a dataset of models' pets, and though he acknowledged it would be simple to do, he was not willing to share that data.

Why would I want to know about pets? Idle curiosity, mostly- has anyone noticed that almost every model seems to have a pit bull or two?

 

[FrenchKitty]

T
Why would I want to know about pets? Idle curiosity, mostly- has anyone noticed that almost every model seems to have a pit bull or two?

I have a wolf. Is it that surprising??
I wouldn't be surprised to find out one or two of the girls have lions, and i'm pretty sure most of the US girls own guns, katanas, and various stalker slicing devices.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Because pitbulls make the best cuddle buddies ever.

(the dog I'd expect to attack an intruder is the poodle/terrier mix, my grouchy old lady Gigi)

 

[Evvie]

A while back I wrote a tool in (for my then-girlfriend) in Apple's Numbers app that takes the publicly available data from mycamgirl.net and very quickly calculates an hourly rate for what a model makes in non-tip income. Mycamgirl doesn't track tips (or if he does, he doesn't publish them) but it was a simple matter to use the deviation between session pay and cam score (per period) to calculate an approximate tip value.

Really, calculating a model's hourly rate is a nearly trivial exercise for anyone proficient with a spreadsheet. I have calculated rates for lots of models, when I find myself wondering, though I certainly don't publish or share that info.

It wouldn't really matter anyway, because (as has been pointed out) camscore is pretty close to an index of compensation. (subject to some unknowns like groups of varying size and also the attempts at gaming it for some perceived subsidiary advantage- don't even get me started about the myth of offline tipping)

Anyway, I brought it up just to point out that while the things some people worry about are trivially easy, there aren't masses of people calculating models' hourly compensation. And if you do want to keep your pay a secret (or at least make it harder to figure out) get yourself taken off of mycamgirl.net. Even then, your camscore is published, and it only takes a few sets of data points to estimate pay from cam score.

I hope that made at least a speck of sense.

updog

May I ask what the myth of online tipping is?

 

[FrenchKitty]

A while back I wrote a tool in (for my then-girlfriend) in Apple's Numbers app that takes the publicly available data from mycamgirl.net and very quickly calculates an hourly rate for what a model makes in non-tip income. Mycamgirl doesn't track tips (or if he does, he doesn't publish them) but it was a simple matter to use the deviation between session pay and cam score (per period) to calculate an approximate tip value.

Really, calculating a model's hourly rate is a nearly trivial exercise for anyone proficient with a spreadsheet. I have calculated rates for lots of models, when I find myself wondering, though I certainly don't publish or share that info.

It wouldn't really matter anyway, because (as has been pointed out) camscore is pretty close to an index of compensation. (subject to some unknowns like groups of varying size and also the attempts at gaming it for some perceived subsidiary advantage- don't even get me started about the myth of offline tipping)

Anyway, I brought it up just to point out that while the things some people worry about are trivially easy, there aren't masses of people calculating models' hourly compensation. And if you do want to keep your pay a secret (or at least make it harder to figure out) get yourself taken off of mycamgirl.net. Even then, your camscore is published, and it only takes a few sets of data points to estimate pay from cam score.

I hope that made at least a speck of sense.

updog

May I ask what the myth of online tipping is?

Lol.
I love your hyperfocus here, but you can never guess. Ever. Not even if you were in the room 24/7 entering numbers into your spreadsheet as they appear on screen, not even if you could see ninja tips and offline tips appear in your spreadsheet magically in real time. But nice effort ^^

 

[mfc@svfx.com]

Hi Evvie,
The little thing I wrote was never intended to estimate total income, it was just a way to help a friend with a very specific issue. It did end up having some entertainment value for us, as it was useful in consolidating raw data into a fairly simple index for any given model. That said, if you knew the hourly data for a given period AND the camscore at each end of that period, it was a pretty good estimator of the total number of tokens received during that period. I never actually checked this against data for any model other than the particular one I was living with, but I don't have any reason to suspect that it wouldn't be a decent estimate. All this relies on the source data being correct- I got mine from the mycamgirl pages, which some have found to be inaccurate.

The myth of offline tipping is that offline tips are more valuable regular tips in determining camscore. I have had many arguments from well meaning members about this, but it's just not true. The instantaneous effect on an offline tip will be more visible than an online tip, but unless the model is able to get her viewers to tip without her ever coming on cam, it makes no difference whether a tip is delivered while the model is online or offline. I'm sure this is going to incite some comment, when it does, I will find and post the slightly more detailed response I wrote for someone else who asked.


updog

 

[Nordling]

I'd love to see a more detailed response. Since camscore is apparently, very roughtly, based on a ratio of time on cam against tips received, how could OFFLINE tips NOT be more effective?

 

[AmberCutie]

We've already had a ton of posts discussing how offline tips do not weigh heavier on camscore than online tips.

All tokens count toward camscore the same, but obviously the less time a model is online, and the more tokens she makes, the better her score will be.

The myth is that offline tips effect it more. They do not, directly. Overall, they can add to the total pool of tokens vs. time online, yes, but the myth suggest they are more magical than other tips.

 

[Nordling]

We've already had a ton of posts discussing how offline tips do not weigh heavier on camscore than online tips.

All tokens count toward camscore the same, but obviously the less time a model is online, and the more tokens she makes, the better her score will be.

The myth is that offline tips effect it more. They do not, directly. Overall, they can add to the total pool of tokens vs. time online, yes, but the myth suggest they are more magical than other tips.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Although the ratio itself is a kind of magic if someone didn't get that concept.

 

[mfc@svfx.com]

Very well said, Amber.

Here's my slightly wordier version, provided only 'cause I said I would and not because of any shortcoming in the preceding reply. And I am aware that this is not exactly how camscore is calculated.

updogcowmeow: oh hey
updogcowmeow: There is a myth going around that (because camscore is based on time online and tips received) offline tips contribute more to cam score than online tips.

updogcowmeow: This is just not true. Assume camscores are calculated daily (Its 60 days, but we're keeping it simple) At the end of each day, the total tips received, along with privates & groups, are added up and (roughly) divided by the time online. (This is a simplistic view, but these are the variables involved. ) This number (total tokens/time online) won't EQUAL camscore, but it will be proportional to it.

OK, imagine model Jane- she stays online for ten hours in a day and she makes 2000 in tokens during that period. So her "camscore" will be 200 (remember, this is just a proportion.)

Now, consider Kathy. She stays online for the same ten hours, but she asks her clients to tip offline, so most wait til she logs off and they tip her. She also spent 10 hours online, but in that time she got only 500 tokens . And then, because of her obedient fans, she gets 1500 offline tips. At the end of the period, her camscore is the same!

updogcowmeow: Now, we have Lena, who spends just 5 hours online, and gets 1000 tokens, and then gets 1000 more tokens as offline tips. She gets a camscore of 400- Whoa - offline tips! but here's the fallacy.. Those fans had to tip twice as much for half the screen time. This is unlikely to happen, at least over the long term.

updogcowmeow: If those same fans had tipped ALL the tokens while Lena was online, her score would be... yep, 400. No difference.

updogcowmeow: The moral of the story is, more tips are better. If you are SO good that you can get offline tips from people who don't watch you online, then sure, more tips are more better. But if your customers are going to tip you anyway, it makes ABSOLUTELY no difference whether you are online or offline.

updogcowmeow: In my opinion, (unless you are in the top 100 or your camscore is pitiably low) camscores dont matter anyway. Only noobs sort the main page by camscore, so the "appearing at the top" reasoning is flawed. As far as I can tell, most guys sort by "recent logged in" Makes sense, guys like novelty!

Models who make more money get high camscores, but I don't think there is any benefit to gaming your camscore higher (even if it was possible)

updogcowmeow: I hope that makes at least a speck of sense.

 

[AmberCutie]

Very well said, Amber.

Here's my slightly wordier version, provided only 'cause I said I would and not because of any shortcoming in the preceding reply. And I am aware that this is not exactly how camscore is calculated.

updogcowmeow: oh hey
updogcowmeow: There is a myth going around that (because camscore is based on time online and tips received) offline tips contribute more to cam score than online tips.

updogcowmeow: This is just not true. Assume camscores are calculated daily (Its 60 days, but we're keeping it simple) At the end of each day, the total tips received, along with privates & groups, are added up and (roughly) divided by the time online. (This is a simplistic view, but these are the variables involved. ) This number (total tokens/time online) won't EQUAL camscore, but it will be proportional to it.

OK, imagine model Jane- she stays online for ten hours in a day and she makes 2000 in tokens during that period. So her "camscore" will be 200 (remember, this is just a proportion.)

Now, consider Kathy. She stays online for the same ten hours, but she asks her clients to tip offline, so most wait til she logs off and they tip her. She also spent 10 hours online, but in that time she got only 500 tokens . And then, because of her obedient fans, she gets 1500 offline tips. At the end of the period, her camscore is the same!

updogcowmeow: Now, we have Lena, who spends just 5 hours online, and gets 1000 tokens, and then gets 1000 more tokens as offline tips. She gets a camscore of 400- Whoa - offline tips! but here's the fallacy.. Those fans had to tip twice as much for half the screen time. This is unlikely to happen, at least over the long term.

updogcowmeow: If those same fans had tipped ALL the tokens while Lena was online, her score would be... yep, 400. No difference.

updogcowmeow: The moral of the story is, more tips are better. If you are SO good that you can get offline tips from people who don't watch you online, then sure, more tips are more better. But if your customers are going to tip you anyway, it makes ABSOLUTELY no difference whether you are online or offline.

I thanked your post for all of the above, and removed the bit at the end because I know many people think position on the page/camscore doesn't matter at all for the majority, I think it does. We can have differing opinions, though. All I know is that the better chance I have at grabbing the attention of a person who is just stumbling upon MFC, the better the chance is that he'll go premium for ME and spend tokens on ME and become a regular visitor of ME. Your regulars may find you every day that you're online regardless of placement, but your regulars can't be the ONLY ones sending tokens your way, always gotta be getting new people in the mix. And people who have already gotten familiar with the site and know how to change the homepage sorting may have already found ME but aren't interested, so they aren't my target market anyway.