I don't know, something in me just doesn't feel OK about the formula being out in the open so members can quickly calculate what any model makes. :| I'd love my tokens per hour to stay a private matter, I don't think that's something that I have to share with members.
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LilyMarie said:
One thing I find amazing with camming is suddenly it seems ok for people to ask you all kinds of personal questions that would NEVER be acceptable with any other job, I'm talking even people from my outside life.
Questions like
"How much do you make?"
"How old are you?"
"when did you last have sex?"
They then seem to think it's ok to give totally unsolicited advice about your job.
Like: Have you tried doing this on cam?
You should work more hours.
You should do this more on cam.
Why don't you make more money?
You shouldn't get fake boobs.
You shouldn't lose weight.
You should lose weight.
Where in the world are ANY of these things deemed acceptable? I would NEVER ask a complete stranger how much they earned! Say you use an estate agent, I don't instantly ask how much they earn soon as I look round a flat, no I ask questions about the flat, you know, relevant questions. I would not ask them personal questions about their house/where they live/their family and how they decorate either. I personally don't think it's any different with camming. A lot of members/people seem to think they have a right to know these things. It's the same with celeb culture. Everyone thinks they have a right to know the personal ins and outs of these peoples lives/earnings/spendings. Um... why? How much actresses make/how much sex they get etc doesn't change how I view them in a film.
@Isabella - they think they're closer to you than to an estate agent because 1) your job is to entertain them and be friendly with them, 2) they can see you naked, 3) they're using your 'first name' when they speak to you. That's why they think they can talk to you differently than to someone with a different job.
That politeness barrier that's usually there just disappears in a lot of peoples' eyes when they talk to a camgirl. 'She's baring everything for everyone, why wouldn't she be OK with telling me how much she makes? She has no secrets.' They probably don't actually think that, it's subconscious I guess?
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Let me clarify that I don't want members to talk me like I'm an estate agent, either :lol:
That politeness barrier that's usually there just disappears in a lot of peoples' eyes when they talk to a camgirl. 'She's baring everything for everyone, why wouldn't she be OK with telling me how much she makes? She has no secrets.' They probably don't actually think that, it's subconscious I guess?
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Let me clarify that I don't want members to talk me like I'm an estate agent, either :lol:
i agree. it's not just that they don't consider you as a working girl (lol old slang), and don't get me wrong this doesn't go for everyone, as i have my share of lovely understanding, thoughtful gents, but as a whole...
in the end, what are they coming to you for? some form of companionship or some fantasy that they want fulfilled to some extent. for most people, they're pretty whitebread simple, and want to act like they know you. makes it easier for them to imagine they're with you. it's not that they don't respect professionalism, just that what they're looking for in particular is a 'relationship' that lies beyond the boundaries of the average workin' person.
in the end, what are they coming to you for? some form of companionship or some fantasy that they want fulfilled to some extent. for most people, they're pretty whitebread simple, and want to act like they know you. makes it easier for them to imagine they're with you. it's not that they don't respect professionalism, just that what they're looking for in particular is a 'relationship' that lies beyond the boundaries of the average workin' person.
LilyMarie said:
Lol ok well then let me rephrase that to when you first get introduced to someone, or meet someone in a pub. First time you meet them, you're hoping to get to know them on a personal level. Would you EVER ask these questions? These are questions that I would never ask even a friend unless they were a very very close friend or a member of my family. The only time I might ask this question really is if I'm trying to help them financially or I'm thinking of doing what they do for work, and sometimes just being nosy, but if it's nosy I'd have to be VERY close to someone to ask it.
Usually the people who ask these questions also aren't regulars you talk to quite a bit, they're random members who come to your room every now and then.
I bet if you asked these questions to someone in real life unless you were close to them/actually friends with them, you probably wouldn't hear from them again. Jeeze, even my mother doesn't tell me anything about how much she makes to me.
No no, of course not. That's what I mean though. They think they're way too close to you, because of what you do and how you present yourself. They think they have a right to know that after they already know so much else about you (i.e. what you whole body looks like sans clothes.) This is all just my theory btw!Isabella_deL said:
LilyMarie said:
No you're completely right! I just don't like it! So as per usual I am going to grumble about it A LOT and then continue on with my day as though nothing's happened!
Isabella_deL said:
I think it all has to do with being a fantasy land basically. While you are viewing it as work, hopefully work you enjoy, the viewer is looking and perceiving you as something closer to a friend or lover in which a lot of the questions wouldn't be so out of bounds. They have an emotional attachment, even temporarily that skews normal rules.
I think it also has to do with people are DAM curious, and seeing as they CAN ask these questions and are not actually face to face with the model they do.
I have not asked a prostitute this, but I can't imagine all clients of prostitutes would ask very casually how much they earn. I would think this more because they're face to face.
For many people common curtesy leaves as soon as they enter the internet.
Camming is an interesting world, people are curious of the kinds of amounts girls earn from it. People want to know if it's actually worth it. Some ask because they think we're working for f all, some ask because they think we're minted.
I'm not sure the asking about money thing is anything to do with it feeling more personal (seeing as it's about the first thing people from my outside life ask me, when they'd never ask about any other job).
It's VERY easy to look from an outside perspective and go "wow, you earn £50 an hour! If I could do that job I'd just work constantly for like a week and then bugger off on holiday!"
It's similar to saying to someone who wants to lose weight "well why don't you like, not eat anything for a week and do fuck loads of exercise, and then in a week you'll be looking great!" Yes some people can do that to shift a few pounds, but it wouldn't exactly be good for you or remotely easy.
I have not asked a prostitute this, but I can't imagine all clients of prostitutes would ask very casually how much they earn. I would think this more because they're face to face.
For many people common curtesy leaves as soon as they enter the internet.
Camming is an interesting world, people are curious of the kinds of amounts girls earn from it. People want to know if it's actually worth it. Some ask because they think we're working for f all, some ask because they think we're minted.
I'm not sure the asking about money thing is anything to do with it feeling more personal (seeing as it's about the first thing people from my outside life ask me, when they'd never ask about any other job).
It's VERY easy to look from an outside perspective and go "wow, you earn £50 an hour! If I could do that job I'd just work constantly for like a week and then bugger off on holiday!"
It's similar to saying to someone who wants to lose weight "well why don't you like, not eat anything for a week and do fuck loads of exercise, and then in a week you'll be looking great!" Yes some people can do that to shift a few pounds, but it wouldn't exactly be good for you or remotely easy.
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Isabella_deL said:
And just now some knucklehead on Streamate asked me "Does your boyfriend know you do this?" :roll: It makes me think of an adult asking a masturbating child "What would your mother think?" :lol:
But seriously...kind of a rude thing to ask a cam girl, in my opinion. Dude, why don't you just say what ya really feel....."Heh...if you were MY woman, ain't no way in hell I'd let you do this..."
Someone asked me that earlier. I don't think they mean to be rude, but it does give the impression that somehow it's something to be ashamed of, or that they can't imagine a guy being ok with it. It is something that slightly insults/irritates me, just the phrasing of it. It probably seems like a completely reasonable question to them, but to me they might as well ask "and is your boyfriend ok with how you weigh?"
I answered a call from my mom on cam once, put her on speaker, and she said hello to my guys. Everyone was in shock that she was aware and okay with camming. It was pretty funny.
:text-offtopic:Isabella_deL said:
When someone asks me if 'my boyfriend'/'the guy in the video'/Ricardo knows that that I cam, I tell them the truth - that it's a huge turn-on for him to know he's the only one who gets to do things with me even though other people can see me naked and possibly find me attractive.
I always imagine how it wipes the 'lol I'll make her feel uncomfortable hehe she knows she shouldn't be doing this!' smirk right off the member's face.
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PlayboyMegan said:
:-D hehehe, you have to admit you're not the avg camgirl Meg. Your PB exposure [no pun intended] has put you into the visible mainstream whereas many camgirls do it on the sly and hide any and all facets of the job from most friends and family. LOLZ.. that would be cool tho.. "hey Ma, say hi to the pervs !" :lol: :lol:
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The_Brown_Fox said:
Now I have that scene from The Lion King in my head.
*Nala talking to Simba* "And your mother...what would she think?" LOL.
LISTEN! YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST SHOW UP AND TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH!The_Brown_Fox said:
LadyLuna said:
This will actually be extremely helpful in future endeavors, allowing my to hopefully be more helpful and specific in my guides (if I ever get some damn freetime to work on it).
From a members point of view I couldn't care less how much models make per hour, more power to you the more you make. My rates are set for privates and groups by the website and for countdowns it's kind of a free market. Also cam score doesn't take into account how much time you spend offsite doing things for members or making videos and such, and I think any job in the sex industry should make more then average for all the extra stuff that comes with it and lack of benefits. IMHO the only members that do care about the amount you make per hour are the ones that don't tip anyways and knowing exact numbers won't really change that. I'm pretty sure those guys think you all make millions anyways. Just my :twocents-02cents:
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Victor brings up a very good point. The number I put out is just based on how much a model makes per hour logged in to the site. It does not account for the hours she worked. It also is a per hour with no reference to how many hours she worked.
Also, this is an average. The range of what a camgirl makes per hour is anywhere from $0 - infinity. Lastly, these numbers fluctuate. One week, the average will be $12.30, the next it could be $33.50. I'm pretty sure it would be most accurate to say that the average camgirl will make an average of $15/hour, give or take a few dollars.
Also, this is an average. The range of what a camgirl makes per hour is anywhere from $0 - infinity. Lastly, these numbers fluctuate. One week, the average will be $12.30, the next it could be $33.50. I'm pretty sure it would be most accurate to say that the average camgirl will make an average of $15/hour, give or take a few dollars.
LilyMarie said:
Don't worry, you didn't let anything out of the bag really. There's other ways to calculate it too. Simply being in models rooms and counting the tips in an hour can get you a rough average. The more times you do that the more precise it becomes. The more models you do this with a wider varying camscore also gives you a better look at the average for different levels of camscore. Taken all together in a big sampling anyone can get a reasonable picture of what any model they are interested in makes. It's all pretty simple math of adding it up and averaging it out.
In fact if the person is VERY interested (which i'm not cause i'm far too lazy) they can get a better picture of earnings than the method you mentioned. They can also note the value of wishlist items, and other gifts, the model gets. Wishlists products can be seen by anyone and when items disappear that amount can be counted as income. It's even easier when the lady thanks the person in the room for 'that brand new $647 Dell Laptop' she just received or tweets pictures of piles of the items UPS just delivered.
So in reality it's possible to get a pretty accurate picture of what any model makes if a person wants to. You gave away no secret. This would be total monthly income. The 'hourly' wage depends on what you count as hours. The hours she's on cam or the hours she puts into the whole process are two different things.
--- Math Major. I'm OCD when it comes to numbers.
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jodeum said:
You can count how much a girl makes every hour she is on cam...every time she is on cam--and still not know how much she makes per hour
OR how much she makes in general.........
There are so many factors that unseen. You have no idea how much if at all she is getting in offline tokens. If you are counting amazon GIFTS as income (which IMO is silly) then you have no idea when she is simply taking something off her wishlist rather then having it bought. You have no idea when she is buying an item off her wishlist herself. You have no idea when if at all she is receiving gift cards or payoneer loads or anything like that. If you have no idea what she might be making on other sites...if at all.
Not to mention that you have no idea of the total sum of money each girl in particular is going to have to give back in taxes.
The idea that you think someone can get a "pretty accurate picture of what any model makes if a person wants to"
Is absurd.........IMO :twocents-02cents:
I'm very sure nobody would do that.jodeum said:
Think about the incredible amount of time and effort that would take, and compare it to the time it would take to just use the formula.It takes me about 8 seconds to open my calculator and find out my current tokens per hour average, with the help of the formula.
The method is very accurate, actually.
It relies on the tokens per hour that are needed for a 1000 Camscore. Amber and another model calculate the current TPH on a regular basis, using their own earnings, and put it in a Camscore info thread in the models only section.Gifts ≠ money. Gifts are gifts... they don't count towards what a model makes.
Besides, girls get giftcards without members' knowledge all the time. They don't just get gifts from their wishlists. Many models prefer getting giftcards over gifts being sent to their home address because that's much safer.
LadyLuna (not me ^^) calculated the average TPH for a model of an average camscore (888 at the time) so now it's easy to find out what the TPH for a 1000 camscore model is, i.e. to quickly find out every girl's TPH.
Now if one wants to find out what a girl with a 15000 camscore makes, they only have to take the TPH for a 1000 camscore, (which members can now know) and multiply that by 15, then they have her hourly income. That is the 'secret'.
I don't blame Luna for providing that information at all, it just makes me personally kind of uncomfortable to know that now it's so easy for everyone to calculate every girl's TPH.
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LilyMarie said:
But I didn't tell them specifically that I used the number you gave. And I didn't tell them how to find out what the TPH based off the info you gave and I gave was. Now, as long as no one takes what you said and turns it into an equation, we still won't have given it away to the people who don't know how to do word problems.
I know it seems to you that what I did would've given it away, but there are still plenty of people who have no idea where to put what number in order to get the answer. So don't go giving them any more information and it will really not matter.
Besides, tokens/hour doesn't tell them how many hours we were online, and doesn't take into account any money we make elsewhere, or don't make elsewhere.
Them knowing what the average model makes is no different than going on the computer and finding out what the average (insert occupation here) makes. People ask what you do for a living. They can then go online and find out roughly how much you make, especially if they know how long you've been doing it for. Even if it's rude to outright ask what a person makes, that information is actually much more public than people want to believe.
I don't think it's any secret that cam girls make good to great money. There's always gonna be people crying about the fact that this person earns this much more than them or that person earns that much more than them, but fuck 'em, ya know? While I can see why a person wouldn't want their exact wages to be public knowledge, I don't see people having a rough idea of what another person earns per hour being a particularly big issue :twocents-02cents:
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mynameisbob84 said:
"good to great money"
is subjective.
Also--Some models DON'T make good money! Some models live paycheck to paycheck---some can't even do that.
curvyredhead said:
You're right. Not every model makes the same amount of money and some earn more than others. Okay, I'll revise...
I don't think it's any secret that top models make better than average money
It's not a rough idea though, it's exactly the tokens per hour that they've made over the last 60 days, on average. (Until we get a new Camscore1000-TPH from Amber or CandieCane, that is! It fluctuates. Sometimes you need this number for a 1000 camscore, sometimes you need that one.)mynameisbob84 said:
I should stop whining
..and start believing that the vast, vast majority of members who read this thread won't suddenly start blurting models' incomes into their chatrooms now. And that they won't let themselves be influenced in their tipping by the knowledge of how much a model makes.
I make a gazillion bucks from sitting on my arse all day being stared at by total strangers. They are ALL old, ugly and sleazy, and all us camgirls are hoes who have sold our souls to ze devil for a bit of top dollar! But it's ok, because we're rolling in it now!
Ok... that was a lie... I'm in a strange mood.
Ok... that was a lie... I'm in a strange mood.
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LilyMarie said:It's not a rough idea though, it's exactly the tokens per hour that they've made over the last 60 days, on average. (Until we get a new Camscore1000-TPH from Amber or CandieCane, that is! It fluctuates. Sometimes you need this number for a 1000 camscore, sometimes you need that one.)mynameisbob84 said:
I should stop whining
SHHHHHHHH
If they think it's a rough idea--don't give them more information!
LilyMarie said:I should stop whining
In order to blurt out your hourly income, I would have to go back a page for the formula and then do math. Trust me when I say I'm far too lazy for that :-D
I also promise to tip no more and no less than I otherwise would even if someone else blurts out a model's income
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