Have you noticed a change in camming clintele over the recent years?

[Phoenix4987]

So, I was speaking with an old friend of mine. She's been camming for almost 10 years now, although these days not so much. She was opening up to me about a difference she's noticed in customers now than when she first started camming. I don't want to reveal what she said just yet, so it doesn't influence your answer. But.

Have you noticed any changes in customers over the years? Not specific customers, but clients as a whole.

 

[AudriTwo]

Since I'm getting older, I'm noticing a lot of young 18 or 19 year old dudes. How do I know this? They are OBSESSED with telling me their age.
"You want this 18-year-old cock, bb?"
OH JOY! INEXPERIENCED COCK! CANNOT WAIT!


Other then that, I haven't notice a change in clientele entirely. I've notice a change in beauty fads or popular show types, but that is about it.

 

[MFCGod]

I would say MFC has built up a more respectful social community over the years

The "show tits bb?" mindless premiums don't seem as abundant as they used to

But maybe it's just the select rooms I visit

 

[Ashton_xo]

I would say MFC has built up a more respectful social community over the years

The "show tits bb?" mindless premiums don't seem as abundant as they used to

But maybe it's just the select rooms I visit

I agree! Over the past couple years on MFC the requests for me to "open bobs" have gone down dramatically and my room has turned into a place for my friends to relax and hang out with me. The random "BB" pops in occasionally but they usually don't linger.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Yes, I have been working in this industry for almost 14 years and a lot of the clientele has changed. Before guys used to only want a good time and there was no need for them to connect emotionally to sex workers in general. It was about getting off or just talking to a pretty girl. Those customers was so cool because they were content with just interacting with you on a surface level. Now, I must deal with sugar daddies claiming to love me, cam customers acting like jealous boyfriends, Second Life customers wanting virtual weddings all of the time, subs who want me to be lifestyle domme, and phone sex/texting customers wanted my real information.
In addition, I read on every forum that customers are doing this to other sex workers and many people support this. Plus, there are sex workers openly encouraging this behavior and I am just sick of it. I am just trying to do this job without too many problems and I should not have to worry about having a deep emotional connection with my clientele all of the time. Maybe this is not a major problem for some people and they enjoy those deep bonds. However, I am just trying to do my job properly, have fun, get paid, and be a professional Luckily, this is my only major problem with it comes to sex work in general.

So, I was speaking with an old friend of mine. She's been camming for almost 10 years now, although these days not so much. She was opening up to me about a difference she's noticed in customers now than when she first started camming. I don't want to reveal what she said just yet, so it doesn't influence your answer. But.

Have you noticed any changes in customers over the years? Not specific customers, but clients as a whole.

 

[Phoenix4987]

@DonaDiabla sort of what I was getting at. My friend was mentioning guys used to spend better just for shows and company. would tip offline and not give constant reminder "hey I tipped you offline, or I did that for you." Would just sit, have a drink and let the girl be herself without all of the emotional attachment.

She mentioned now it's not just about company but so many of these guys talk about love and marriage and if you don't play along then their money goes away. or some tip maybe 1000 and think you owe them the world or something. like it's no longer just at face value, to be appreciated as a woman and that men are becoming more possessive or just too clingy. demanding. things like that.

Hmm. for my own reasons I stopped getting shows from someone and just go to enjoy her company. let the girl talk with whatever she feels comfortable and just listen. GFE in a way, but without the romance.

I think guys usually talk about themselves to no end, so when she gets the chance she's actually pretty chatty. Even she felt a little bad lol, "sorry I talk so much, next time I let you do the talking." I said, nah it's okay. I enjoy your company, I like listening. It's a shame more people can't just enjoy your company and let you be you.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I spend far less time on MFC and am a lot more selective with the models I visit then I was a few years ago. So yes member are better now than in the past but I have no clue if that's generally true.

 

[AmberCutie]

Yep, majority of viewers seem to want something more than just your time, attention and entertainment for their tips now. I would never make my show countdowns on MFC if it wasn't for video and snapchat sales.

Back in 2009/2010 even through 2011 that wasn't as necessary. The game has changed.

 

[Influenced]

Yep, majority of viewers seem to want something more than just your time, attention and entertainment for their tips now.

I agree with this, the game has changed. I am one of those that still enjoys the time, attention and entertainment for the models I support (tipping). I never really got into the whole video and snapchat thing and do not see it happening for in the future. I just like a fun, chill, relaxing and entertaining room, I do not need anything else. However I do know this has been a big game changer over the years for others and I see why it appeals to a lot of members. I must say though I miss the days when things just seemed so much more relaxed and do not ask me to explain that, it just felt that way. *Shrug*

 

[Puffin]

Yep, majority of viewers seem to want something more than just your time, attention and entertainment for their tips now. I would never make my show countdowns on MFC if it wasn't for video and snapchat sales.

Back in 2009/2010 even through 2011 that wasn't as necessary. The game has changed.

I wonder if this is model driven culture change. Sure, if a model offers something then members will take them up on it, and that culture of offering more and more has become common place. But not all models offer such things. One example is Loca, read her profile, it's mostly a list of what she won't do, basically she doesn't do much other then be sexy on cam and nothing social outside of cam time, even the phone number option for 8888 tokens is in reality just a phone call when she will ring you, with perhaps an exception made for her whale tippers.

 

[AmberCutie]

I wonder if this is model driven culture change. Sure, if a model offers something then members will take them up on it, and that culture of offering more and more has become common place.

Definitely. The older (not age, but been around on cam sites a while) members now have been trained, and new members to the scene don't know any different.

 

[AudriTwo]

I think the only thing I like on Streamate's "no sharing contact info" is it makes the member have to communicate through the site. So there isn't pressure to sell snapchat or access to twitter. Makes me wonder if a lot of it has to do with the younger crowd being so connected more with social media. Internet culture has changed a lot how we communicate amongst each other. IDK, I'm such a Grandma. Damn kids and their SNAPBACKS!

What @AmberCutie is describing similar how's it like on Streamate ATM.

 

[RogueWarrior]

I've noticed this as well. There were a couple of models where we would snark PM over the idiot members coming into the room. There are very few instances of the opportunity for that now. I don't know what goes on that is not in public chat, but publicly, there seems to have been a shift away from the open bobs bb stuff. Just my observation, but that may be attributed to the fact that I've changed as well and the types of rooms I visit, but that's for another time.

 

[Lucid1]

I would say that the rise of "socially driven" sites has changed the game more than anything. Back when I started viewing cams it was through the use of programs like ICU II and ISPQ and sites like Buzzcams, Cams.com and others. Back then it was all about the "private", and the one-on-one interaction between me and a model. I was shocked when MFC first came out with its "show in free" concept if others were tipping well enough. This led to the rise of the "whale" and near whale premiums who seemed to control the rooms and models attention and had an effect on what models were willing to try in order to get those tips. While I think that it is easier for models to make more money now, I still hold the opinion that socially driven sites have introduced a whole new element into what a models expectations are now, versus what level of interaction they are willing to have with their customers. Some models seem to adjust well to it, while others simply cannot grasp the concept and are unwilling to put themselves "out there" in the manner that socially driven sites seem to require. I think that in the end, this has helped to shape the expectations of the user/member base, and often in a negative way. Especially when you have people in a room getting, or having the ability to ask for something for free when there is no real "requirement" that they spend any money.

I didn't like the concept of the "social sites", and still don't, but thankfully MFC allows the use of "PM's with cam" where I can interact solely with the model when I am tipping. Same with CB and its password protected shows. But I can only imagine what a model goes through in today's world of KiK, Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter...etc.

::edited for spelling/grammar::

 

[DonaDiabla]

Yes, it is a strange age to be a cam model or even a full rounded sex worker. Deep emotional connections between customers and sex workers have never led to anything good for no one

@DonaDiabla sort of what I was getting at. My friend was mentioning guys used to spend better just for shows and company. would tip offline and not give constant reminder "hey I tipped you offline, or I did that for you." Would just sit, have a drink and let the girl be herself without all of the emotional attachment.

She mentioned now it's not just about company but so many of these guys talk about love and marriage and if you don't play along then their money goes away. or some tip maybe 1000 and think you owe them the world or something. like it's no longer just at face value, to be appreciated as a woman and that men are becoming more possessive or just too clingy. demanding. things like that.

Hmm. for my own reasons I stopped getting shows from someone and just go to enjoy her company. let the girl talk with whatever she feels comfortable and just listen. GFE in a way, but without the romance.

I think guys usually talk about themselves to no end, so when she gets the chance she's actually pretty chatty. Even she felt a little bad lol, "sorry I talk so much, next time I let you do the talking." I said, nah it's okay. I enjoy your company, I like listening. It's a shame more people can't just enjoy your company and let you be you.

 

[Mila_]

Definitely. The older (not age, but been around on cam sites a while) members now have been trained, and new members to the scene don't know any different.

The effect is also much more intense on MFC because the competition among models is so cut-throat with the camscore and rank system. Models are always looking for ways to have a leg up on other models and having an edge on others is a necessity.

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

Got a question that is related: was there always such a market for femdom?

 

[DonaDiabla]

Yes, there have been a need for femdoms since at least the 13 century in Europe. Femdoms have been apart of brothels since 15th century because many clients were into flagellation and flogging. Many powerful and great men of Europe including Casanova and De Sade have used femdoms. In fact, some of Europe's greatest erotic books such as the "Torture Garden" and "Venus in Furs" were written about "dangerous" femdoms. (Frankly, the femdoms in those books get away with things that no modern femdom could) So, Femdoms are here to stay and they are apart of the cam world at large.

This should answer your question about the historial importance of the femdom:

http://www.angelfire.com/zine/fedo/

Got a question that is related: was there always such a market for femdom?

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

Thanks

Yes, there have been a need for femdoms since at least the 13 century in Europe. Femdoms have been apart of brothels since 15th century because many clients were into flagellation and flogging. Many powerful and great men of Europe including Casanova and De Sade have used femdoms. In fact, some of Europe's greatest erotic books such as the "Torture Garden" and "Venus in Furs" were written about "dangerous" femdoms. (Frankly, the femdoms in those books get away with things that no modern femdom could) So, Femdoms are here to stay and they are apart of the cam world at large.

This should answer your question about the historial importance of the femdom:

http://www.angelfire.com/zine/fedo/

 

[Mila_]

Got a question that is related: was there always such a market for femdom?

Femdom has a huge market because real dominant women are so rare. The natural order is for men to be dominant and women to be submissive, so unless they are very lucky finding one of these naturally dominant girls, men who have these fantasies of being dominated need to pay to get their fantasies fulfilled.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I would say MFC has built up a more respectful social community over the years

The "show tits bb?" mindless premiums don't seem as abundant as they used to

But maybe it's just the select rooms I visit

Very right. I almost never see the BB bloobs anymore but I've also noticed an overall decrease in non reg chatting.

 

[marvelb0y]

Yes, it is a strange age to be a cam model or even a full rounded sex worker. Deep emotional connections between customers and sex workers have never led to anything good for no one

I don't agree this is necessarily a bad thing unless you want to be that voice of reason that says, our product is so addictive, we want our customers to buy less of it. The reason why camming has gone in this direction is because this is what guys really want. We have strippers, escorts and porn before cam girls and while satisfying lust is good, it pales in comparison to having your emotional needs met. You may argue this is not what camming is about but then some other form of sex work will just arise to address this very need.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Very right. I almost never see the BB bloobs anymore but I've also noticed an overall decrease in non reg chatting.

i still think this has to do with mobile devices being used more heavily. The lag, and typing being harder etc make that a thing.

But yeah. My experience in nearly 7 yrs.. (almost entirely on mfc)

- Less 'open bobs bb'
-less non regs chatting
-emotional connection stuff has stayed about the same for me but i think i always encouraged that (and @DonaDiabla you asked if ppl enjoy that - for me it absolutely is a necessity to enjoy my job.)
-influx of ppl just there to collect videos/snapchat etc.

The other changes ive seen in my clients have more to do with ME changing how i do things/attracting different ppl so i wont list those.

 

[Mila_]

i still think this has to do with mobile devices being used more heavily. The lag, and typing being harder etc make that a thing.

On Chaturbate everyone is really chatty so I think it has more to do with MFC's culture than mobile use.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

On Chaturbate everyone is really chatty so I think it has more to do with MFC's culture than mobile use.

when you type on chaturbate does it hide the cam in mobile?

 

[Mila_]

when you type on chaturbate does it hide the cam in mobile?

No idea, does it hide it on MFC?

 

[AwesomeKate]

As technology to connect with others across long distances (Internet, webcams, mics, speakers) has improved, people's expectations of those simulations have become more fine-tuned. At the bare minimum, men needed sexual release and so they watched cam girls and traded money for such a service. That is not the ONLY thing that a person wants though, and people are starting to become aware of that. I think the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is a good presentation of how this works. Once physiological needs have been met, the person can move on to seek out 'higher' needs. Some of those being intimacy, connection, purpose, etc. As sex workers, we thought our only job was to provide sexual release, but it's so painfully obvious to me that it goes well beyond that and will continue in that direction as technology improves even further. Sooner than you think, there will be holographic sex workers. You think men will only make their hologram blow them once a day and otherwise they are shut off? No. Their hologram will cook with them, cuddle them, talk about their dreams, etc. Companionship is of the utmost importance to humankind. When I am on cam nowadays, I don't only think about satisfying the viewers' cocks. I think about giving nutritional advice, instilling confidence, discussing morality, etc. It goes as far as you're willing to take it, really. You are being streamed into hundreds of people's bedroom at the speed of fucking light. You are standing before them and have their attention. You can make them cum, sure. But you can also provide so much more.

I think that girls who don't want to do this will end up being bred out of the system due to non-interest on the viewer's part. If a man can interact with an entire person rather than just the sexual part of said person, they are going to opt for that. More bang for your buck, essentially. A more complete experience. That's why the entire system seems to be changing. The tippers are voting with their tokens for an emotional connection as well as the sexual. If you won't provide the desired product, you won't be in business for long.

 

[Phoenix4987]

You are being streamed into hundreds of people's bedroom at the speed of fucking light. You are standing before them and have their attention. You can make them cum, sure. But you can also provide so much more.

Well that's one way to blow open perspective. Damn, never thought about that

 

[DonaDiabla]

Well, that your opinion on matters but if you been in this industry over 10 plus years and do more than camming then you will see that it is not a great thing to give customers deep emotional connections to you. Like I said I do more than just camming and it is infection in the sugar bowl plus it is coming into the phone sex. I was talking overall and how it affects my business. I am non-nude cam domme and I am not GFE cam model. These customers desiring deep emotional connections should not be coming to see me. Plus, my customers is full of dark triad men and others who do not engaged in such "emotional ties". I was just talking about misguide vanilla newbies who seek out the wrong girl

I don't agree this is necessarily a bad thing unless you want to be that voice of reason that says, our product is so addictive, we want our customers to buy less of it. The reason why camming has gone in this direction is because this is what guys really want. We have strippers, escorts and porn before cam girls and while satisfying lust is good, it pales in comparison to having your emotional needs met. You may argue this is not what camming is about but then some other form of sex work will just arise to address this very need.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Wrong, that all of us should be catering to the emotional as sex workers in the near future either. Not all of us have to cater to men's emotional needs as sex workers to profitable either. I say those who want to cater to men's emotional wants and needs need and be allowed to do do so. But I refuse do go down that path You see, I do camming, phone sex, sugaring, virtual escorting, texting, and other things in this industry. I will never provide a deep emotional bond to customers even if I am in here for 20 or even 50 years. I am close to my 20 year mark in this industry and men will come to me for the same reasons they always have. They want a dark triad woman to play mind games with, talk about the occult and their perversions with, and to get off with. You talk about normal and vanilla customers. I do not have such customers. Any customers, submissives, or sugar daddies that talking like that. I will let them go and replace them. I will not tolerate such things from customers because that is not who I am . I will come and always speak out on this as sex worker because I refuse to bow before such things both as domme and a tough woman.
As I said before, I take dark triad men, jaded submissives, jaded occultists, and others who are not craving some emotional experience. These men run on mind games, the occult and perversions. I made and will tons of money of these things. They need a sex worker such as myself to show them that darkness they crave. Customers should be getting GFE cam model or anyone else who provides such as service if they want some type of emotional. But I will always stick my guns so I can have the best phone sex customers, cam customers, virtual escort customers, texting customers, submissives and sugar daddies for me.I play the femme fatale, dark mistress, or the occultic girlfriend(that means someone who you talk about the occult and paranormal things with in a dark way). I do not get burn out, emotional attached, or anything of sort. I do not meet my cam customers, love my sugar daddies, or be topped by fake submissives.I was just addressing how this industry is changing and how I will not take it to some sort of emotional level. I was just addressing the OP's question. End of story

As technology to connect with others across long distances (Internet, webcams, mics, speakers) has improved, people's expectations of those simulations have become more fine-tuned. At the bare minimum, men needed sexual release and so they watched cam girls and traded money for such a service. That is not the ONLY thing that a person wants though, and people are starting to become aware of that. I think the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is a good presentation of how this works. Once physiological needs have been met, the person can move on to seek out 'higher' needs. Some of those being intimacy, connection, purpose, etc. As sex workers, we thought our only job was to provide sexual release, but it's so painfully obvious to me that it goes well beyond that and will continue in that direction as technology improves even further. Sooner than you think, there will be holographic sex workers. You think men will only make their hologram blow them once a day and otherwise they are shut off? No. Their hologram will cook with them, cuddle them, talk about their dreams, etc. Companionship is of the utmost importance to humankind. When I am on cam nowadays, I don't only think about satisfying the viewers' cocks. I think about giving nutritional advice, instilling confidence, discussing morality, etc. It goes as far as you're willing to take it, really. You are being streamed into hundreds of people's bedroom at the speed of fucking light. You are standing before them and have their attention. You can make them cum, sure. But you can also provide so much more.

I think that girls who don't want to do this will end up being bred out of the system due to non-interest on the viewer's part. If a man can interact with an entire person rather than just the sexual part of said person, they are going to opt for that. More bang for your buck, essentially. A more complete experience. That's why the entire system seems to be changing. The tippers are voting with their tokens for an emotional connection as well as the sexual. If you won't provide the desired product, you won't be in business for long.

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