for members & girls: when goals arent met?

[lolalaurent]

Sometimes I struggle to hit my on cam goals and as much as we like to believe its just fun, actually some of us rely on it as a full time job therefore need to make enough to support ourselves financially.

So if I'm not making anything its hard to stay online as your camscore is ultimatly dropping which could hinder your future earnings and placing in the ranks.

How do members feel when models have a countdown of 800 for something and then logs off 3 hours later with it at 500 tokens. Surely then those who have tipped the 300 are pissed that theyve contributed to a show they will never see?

Models how do you avoid this? I try to give those members compensation aka if 3 tipped 100tokens ill offer them the chance to tip a further 50t to have access to a video worth 150....for example.

Thoughts? xx

 

[GreatDane]

Most members know that if the show isn't going to make it to the total that odds are they will see it later, one option would be to make a gallery of pics that you could give the tippers the PW to that may suffice them if the show doesn't make it. and maybe change up the pics from time to time :twocents-02cents:

 

[LailaBaise]

I chop my goals up and get a feel for what the room wants as the countdowns progress. The idea of setting a topic at 2000 for whatever scares me, so I set a countdown for topless. If that goes well I might set one for pants off. Seeing how hungry the crowd are, and how it feels to me, I might then set a larger countdown for a deepthroat show, or encourage a group to start for orgasms. Sometimes you're banging your head against the wall trying to get your tits out, othertimes they progress so well you have your token requirements very fast. :twocents-02cents:

P.S: I don't do cum shows in public, but imagine this could apply to them too.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Personally, I'm sure you were more than 300 tokens worth of entertaining in those three hours! I can understand if you have a higher goal and made more towards it in a much shorter amount of time, giving something to the tippers but not the example you gave. They got there moneys worth.
Honestly, the only time sending things to tippers when a goal isn't reached makes sense to me is if it was an offline thing (I'm not fond of these in general) or you got sick or had an emergency and had to go. Majority of girls are giving flashes and offering an entertaining atmosphere to entertain others, tips were very likely deserved countdown or not.
It seems like a lot of girls are afraid of evoking the wrath of the whiner member and forget that they're company and entertainment, with a dildo or not is worth something!

 

[SoTxBob]

Sometimes I struggle to hit my on cam goals and as much as we like to believe its just fun, actually some of us rely on it as a full time job therefore need to make enough to support ourselves financially.
How do members feel when models have a countdown of 800 for something and then logs off 3 hours later with it at 500 tokens. Surely then those who have tipped the 300 are pissed that theyve contributed to a show they will never see?

Pissed ? Hell no !!
I completely understand and if it's that slow, I would have probably sent you a tip note saying feel free to log out since its not working. For the girls that have big cam scores and huge goals of several thousand then I have little sympathy. They know whats going on and are probably having an off day. For the "normal girl" and smallish cam score with this as sole income, it's a completely different story. I require nothing for my tips if few others contribute then no biggie. Your smile and a thanks is plenty. It's all part of supporting a model whether its a reg of mine or a "one off" random visit. One girl I frequent has very reasonable or 'realistic' goals.... she seldom makes them simply BC the asshat freeloaders do nothing but flood her with the ubiquitous but ultimately worthless compliments and damn few tokens.

 

[Evvie]

How do members feel when models have a countdown of 800 for something and then logs off 3 hours later with it at 500 tokens. Surely then those who have tipped the 300 are pissed that theyve contributed to a show they will never see?

Models how do you avoid this? I try to give those members compensation aka if 3 tipped 100tokens ill offer them the chance to tip a further 50t to have access to a video worth 150....for example.

Thoughts? xx

I do several things to thank tippers and apologize for countdown donations that resulted in no show. List time, yo!

I have a few photosets and a vid (sadly too lazy to do more) that are priced at 25, 50, 100, and 125 tokens. Most days, even if the member doesn't donate 25 tokens at once, if they eventually tip up to that number (and I'm keeping track) then I give them the set. This way as long as a member tips at least 25 tokens they get a photoset, so it's not like their tips got them nothing.

At the end of the day I go through my token sessions page and look for members that I might have missed. I send them a photoset that they don't have (if there is one) and I give them an extra thank-you for being cool.

If a member tips a whole bunchload or really carries a countdown, but it doesn't get finished, I usually write their screen name on my body, take a picture, and then send that to them as well as an apology note and my content if they don't already have it.

As far as avoiding it? Some days countdowns just aren't going to happen no matter what you do. I can be offering content with any sized tip, have my cutest outfit on and my best show planned and be pulling rabbits out my ass and nobody will contribute. Sometimes there's nothing to do but say sorry, log off, and try to make it up to your tippers. Even though I often feel a guy doesn't mind, I still feel it is polite to send them what I can.

 

[GemmaMarie]

Honestly, whether I send them something for contributing to the show depends on a- what I was doing while I was online. If I was flashing, doing sexy dances, etc etc then that's pretty much payment enough for tips and b- how far we were into the countdown when I had to call it quits or if basically one person was the sole tipper- I'll send something special to contributor (s).

 

[LindseyDoll]

When I do countdowns every tip gets it's own reward depending on how big it is.
If the tippers feel that that's not enough than their expectations are far too high.
This is a two way street. They can't get mad at me for not doing a show if they didn't meet my (usually very small) goal.
just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[Anonymous]

I do flashes (and my flashes are probably a bit longer than they should be) with every tip, so guys are always "getting something" for their tips.

If I end my night without earning enough tokens for topless, then I'm not getting topless. I'm always on cam for at least 2 hours straight, and I should be able to get at least 500 tokens in that amount of time. Also, I count video sales towards the topless/naked goal. So with all the premiums that are in and out my room, if I can't get 500 tokens in 2 hours, then too bad. Hell, I think I should be able to consistently get at least 500 tokens in ONE hour. But sadly, there are some nights when I log off without even getting to the topless goal.

 

[AmberCutie]

Honestly, whether I send them something for contributing to the show depends on a- what I was doing while I was online. If I was flashing, doing sexy dances, etc etc then that's pretty much payment enough for tips and b- how far we were into the countdown when I had to call it quits or if basically one person was the sole tipper- I'll send something special to contributor (s).

Yeah, same here. And there are many times when I automatically send any tip of a certain amount a PM with a pic set download link right away anyway, so if in the end the actual show doesn't happen (or I take it to group if only one or two have contributed), then they already got some fun entertainment as well as a pic set. I'm still apologetic if I'm unable to fulfill an expectation, but I expect people to also be understanding of the situation.

 

[Shaun__]

I will tip to public shows, but I have never worried excessively about them. If they happen they happen, and if not then I am sure I had fun hanging out and chatting with the model. All the free loaders tend to piss me off, and I find the thought of them frustrated to be a happy one sometimes.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I tip because I like the model, not because I am contributing to a countdown goal. So it doesn't bother me at all if she doesn't do the show she was counting down for. I don't know how many other members have this tipping philosophy, but I bet it is more than just a few.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[wjr3]

I tip because I like the model, not because I am contributing to a countdown goal. So it doesn't bother me at all if she doesn't do the show she was counting down for. I don't know how many other members have this tipping philosophy, but I bet it is more than just a few.

:twocents-02cents:

Count me in this group of members.

 

[GemmaMarie]

I tip because I like the model, not because I am contributing to a countdown goal. So it doesn't bother me at all if she doesn't do the show she was counting down for. I don't know how many other members have this tipping philosophy, but I bet it is more than just a few.

:twocents-02cents:

I get this from a lot of my regular members, & its truly refreshing.

 

[RogueWarrior]

I tip because I like the model, not because I am contributing to a countdown goal. So it doesn't bother me at all if she doesn't do the show she was counting down for. I don't know how many other members have this tipping philosophy, but I bet it is more than just a few.

:twocents-02cents:

Yep me too. In fact I am NOT into public shows anyway. So, I just tip because I want to. For the efforts of the model, not because I expect more. But that's just me.

 

[Vanessa Jade]

I got so frustrated at not making any count-down goals (seriously, I can't get to 200 tokens in an hour? Really? Last time I was on my goal for topless was 100 tokens and it was tumbleweeds for an hour and a half ) that I stopped doing them altogether. Privates and stuff for tips from here on out >_<

 

[MrRodry]

Frustated too. I believe I would not last being a cam model after one week of slow/failed countdowns. to all you that persevere.

 

[sweetiebatman]

If you are in a room just tipping for the show then, In my opinion and experiance, you are in the wrong room and will more times than not end up disappointed!

 

[Just Me]

I never get upset if I contributed to a countdown and the show doesn't happen. I do not expect anything in return either. If the show doesn't happen because the goal is not met, it is not the models fault and I know going in that is a possibility. If I really want the show to happen, I will complete the goal myself :lol:

 

[RogueWarrior]

Just as a caveat to all the replies you've gotten here, I would probably say that members that take the time to read and participate in a forum such as this are NOT going to be your typical bitchers, complainers, fucktards and assholes.

Just something to consider.

 

[Vanessa Jade]

Just as a caveat to all the replies you've gotten here, I would probably say that members that take the time to read and participate in a forum such as this are NOT going to be your typical bitchers, complainers, fucktards and assholes.

Just something to consider.

That's why, by and large, most of you all are totally welcome in my room, whether there's a countdown on or not. You've pretty much all proven yourselves to be non-fucktards and people who can have a conversation that isn't "open bobs bb. ass." and "how much to meet in rl" :lol: :thumbleft:

I'm always totally stoked to have ACF people in my room. It makes the whole MFC experience so much more fun.

 

[LadyLuna]

I'm always totally stoked to have ACF people in my room. It makes the whole MFC experience so much more fun.

It's the main reason my return to MFC is planned... the daily reminder that there ARE decent people over there.

 

[Zoomer]

I'm going to offer completely different advice

You are, effectively, in a competitive market. Price yourself competitively - not idealistically. I know, I sound harsh or nasty. Eep!
I do not know what you look like, nor your topic - so honestly, this isn't in response to you - but a general observation.

It is overly optimistic to price yourself at 2000 tokens for naked if your camscore is 500. In fact, the only reason to price it that high is because guys would be much better off taking you private - and such a total may mean they are more inclined to do so! (interesting research, if it were possible to do it. A kind of decoy effect, where the decoy is the topic which drives people to the real seller, the private...).

If you consistently fail to hit your topic goal then I suggest altering the goal. Maybe guys don't care about goals, but unless they're your regulars, I would suggest most MFC members would care. They are risk adverse, they aren't going to tip something that isn't likely to happen. Unless they like you as a person or are ridiculously optimistic (and retarded), they aren't going to keep on tipping day after day for a topic that is never going to be reached...

Maybe, as others have said, split it up or offer rewards (flash per tip, or maybe in a 1000 until naked - underwear at 200, topless at 500... etc). The risk is lower as you are more likely to see something rather than nothing.

Maybe alter the topic entirely. Instead of grand topics, do mini topics. 100 topless, 200 naked. The caveat is that for play they have to go Group or Private and you will only be topless for perhaps a few minutes... unless they keep tipping. Again, it may drive more towards Private - who knows. Obviously prices/topics all depend upon what is likely to sell for you, so I am not suggesting prices here

But the bottom line is - if your topic regularly (or always) fails - take a hint. Drop the price if you dare, or change your strategy.
Obviously you ladies may have a minimum price - for pride, or any reason whatsoever - so do things within your boundaries obviously

 

[LadyLuna]

I was a 600 camscore model and couldn't get my shirt off for 50 tokens...

I started going in with just a bra, and couldn't get my pants off for 100 tokens...

I gave up on countdowns completely and simply had " Welcome, thanks for reading profile. Tip for a flash, or take me private for sexiness!" in my topic

Or something similar... can't remember the exact wording to get it under 100 characters./

 

[Anonymous]

"Welcome, thanks for reading profile. Tip for a flash, or take me private for sexiness!" in my topic

Or something similar... can't remember the exact wording to get it under 100 characters./

Yeah, I like to put "I'll flash ya with every tip!" in my room topic. I have a 500 token goal to get to topless, but I don't want guys to misinterpret that and think that the boobs will stay hidden COMPLETELY until then. So I'm letting them know that with EVERY tip, I will flash. But to get them to STAY out, I need to get to 500 tokens.

The 100 character limit for room topics: I end up having to abbreviate a lot. I'm SUPPOSED to be using my 100 numbers thingy that I have saved in Notepad, but I haven't been using it lately. Tsk, tsk... This is what it looks like:

I can use the Notepad document to fool around w/what my rm topic will be. I type it above the numbers like this.
1234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891234567891

 

[sorrowfool]

For me this depends on the model. For models that I'm a regular in their room, I'll tip without concern of whether thy will reach their show or not. At the same time I think it's beneficial for the model if she gets to her show, because she'll likely get more tips during, and her room count will raise potentially raising awareness for her.

If it's a model I don't know well, I'll tip her if she's already doing something or for flashes, etc. In that case I'm not too concerned if she logs off because of slow tips, especially if she gave it a decent shot.

That's one thing I like about Streamate. You pledge the Gold and you know you will either get the show, or your Gold back. I think a lot of guys would be willing to tip if they knew they would actually get the show. That's why you get those times where everyone starts tipping at once, or when the tips start rolling in when you get close to the show. No one wants to waste their tokens and some guys aren't in a sppt to tip a model just to make her smile.