Feminist camgirl/industry talent; irony, controversy?

[ThePrincessLuxy]

So this is an issue I have been thinking about for a while now, especially since I became a camgirl. I know to be a successful camgirl you have to be independent, strong-willed, and intelligent. I bold strong-willed especially because I feel this is the most important part of doing what we do; we have to stand up for ourselves both offline and online, and stick to our guns because yes, I would say what we do is controversial in today's society. Because we are so strong-willed and independent it does not surprise me that I see and speak to many camgirls that share the same border-line feminist views. (Excuse me if that's not the politically correct term for it...I'm majoring in biosciences lol).
I guess what I'm wondering is if I'm the only one whose blood boils when women are objectified in everyday society by the media, and if I'm not; how do you ladies justify our jobs in conjunction with those views?

I do feel bad sometimes, like I am perpetuating the problem. But I do realize that I am not a model for a normal clothing or food ad; that men and women come to webcam and porn sites specifically, for the most part, for adult content, and we are here because it is our job and we have knowingly signed up on our own accord to provide adult entertainment. On the other hand, a regular non-nude model signs up to be in ads for REGULAR products- like burgers, clothes, perfume, socks...whatever. Has nothing to do with sex. When the regular model is told to do something sexually suggestive for an ad she is in, I feel like THAT is what's wrong; THAT is exploitation because she is not an industry model, and also- all over public television, in magazines where EVERYONE is allowed to see?

Maybe this isn't the clearest but I guess what I'm trying to say is I justify my predominantly feminist views with my job because I separate the sex industry from others; to choose to be in the industry puts the woman in power, because at the end of the day, who controls the room and the show? And in that sense it is everything but perpetuating the problem of gender roles, gender biases, etc.

Anyway sorry this is so long, it's just been something on my mind for a while and just wanted to see how other camgirls with similar views see it....and also members too!!!

I also will include this video that I picked up from Ivyclem's tumblr (Thank you!!! BTW):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NswJ4kO9uHc

 

[Jessi]

I don't think being up for sexual consumption is inherently degrading, if I chose to do it. Im not passive in my camming, Im interacting with my viewers and controlling what happens. I'm in an environment where I can do as much or as little as I want and say NO at any time. I have a great deal more freedom and financial stability now.

I'm a conventionally attractive white female. I was lucky to be born with the privilege that comes with that, but Im also a kind of "stereotype" for sex appeal or objectification. Im damn well going to exploit that for my benefit.

Im not going to say camming is sexually empowering, but its not degrading either.

 

[Jupiter551]

If sexual objectification is a major issue in our society that pervades media and social interaction, then you shouldn't feel any guilt/self-consciousness/whatever about paying your bills or even getting your sexual satisfaction by allowing yourself to be 'sexually objectified' in a manner that you control and/or is in a manner you've chosen, style you've allowed, by certain viewers...or whatever you're comfortable with.

Feminists (or even just strong, intelligent people regardless of gender or label) are products/victims of this flawed society too, even if they're also opponents of it. It's also too easy (on paper) to swing too far in the opposite direction when disagreeing with very basic underlying ideologies of a (in this context) patriarchal society, and perhaps to forget that we also absolutely don't want the current situation in reverse - say where there is NO freedom of sexual expression/freedom to sexually objectify etc...obviously that too has little/nothing to do with freedom and empowerment.

I saw a newspaper article recently suggesting that burlesque and burlesque-themed bars, which it implied had undergone its recent hipsterization and (according to the article) had been deemed 'okay' with feminists, were more and more simply a 'reboot' of the classic male dominated titty-bars employing girls with bangs and full-sleeve tatts to serve drinks topless etc instead of big-haired blondes.

I think that article almost had the truth but kind of missed the point - individual empowerment and sexual objectification will, to some extent, NEVER be parted because they're part of human sexuality.

I think some might argue that that aspect of our sexuality could be based on the attitudes of our society (ie perhaps one only 'wants' to be objectified because it makes them feel a guilty taboo thrill about it), but I have no idea.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I do feel bad sometimes, like I am perpetuating the problem. But I do realize that I am not a model for a normal clothing or food ad; that men and women come to webcam and porn sites specifically, for the most part, for adult content, and we are here because it is our job and we have knowingly signed up on our own accord to provide adult entertainment. On the other hand, a regular non-nude model signs up to be in ads for REGULAR products- like burgers, clothes, perfume, socks...whatever. Has nothing to do with sex. When the regular model is told to do something sexually suggestive for an ad she is in, I feel like THAT is what's wrong; THAT is exploitation because she is not an industry model, and also- all over public television, in magazines where EVERYONE is allowed to see?

I don't think that a paid model being paid to pose in a fashion that she (or he for that matter) is perfectly comfortable posing in and then appearing in various media outlets that they are completely comfortable (happy even) to appear in, could ever accurately be called "exploitation". The realities of exploitation are much more horrific and far more depressing.

I also will include this video that I picked up from Ivyclem's tumblr (Thank you!!! BTW):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NswJ4kO9uHc

I think videos like this do more harm than good. The media representation of women can be incredibly problematic, but there's a big difference between sexualised images of women (and men) being used in advertising campaigns/music videos/whatever, and things like the Steubenville media coverage. I think it's incredibly silly to blur that line. The former is little more than businesses recognising and taking advantage of the synergy between sex and advertising, and doing so by paying willing models (male and female) to pose provocatively with/for their product; the latter is incredibly ignorant and dangerous and offensive and only serves to create a culture of blame around rape victims, and trivialise the act of rape itself.

To your point though, I don't think you need to worry about holding feminist views and being a cam girl. No more than I need to worry about holding feminist views and watching cam girls. Believing that women and men are equal and that sexism and misogyny are fundamentally shitty should have no bearing on you entertaining people in a sexual environment, nor on me being entertained by people like you in that very same sexual environment :twocents-02cents:

 

[RubyDimples]

When I first started to cam I was little apprehensive and wondered if that was right for me. Eventually as it progressed and the months went by I grew to be more comfortable. I do not feel degraded or less than as a woman. I'm controlling everything I do in my room and if I don't feel comfortable with something I can simply say no. With the money I have made doing cam work...I have a bit more stability money wise and I'm very grateful for that. In 2013 and beyond I see a continuous struggle for the average person to make it by..especially in the case of mounting student loan debt and by the way minimum wage in America is not a livable wage. So if I shake my ass, grab my boobs and laugh all the time. My terms, my rules and that's all that matters to me. :-D

 

[AprilKitt]

yeah, there are a lot of people that see me as a sex object, but that's not my fault. i'm just fucking myself for cash. there's nothing degrading about fucking myself, so why does it suddenly become degrading when it's for money?
although at the same time i can see how camming could be seen as degrading/objectifying, and i struggle with that a little bit, but when i think about it, just about every job is degrading in some way. to me, a minimum wage job where i had to put up with assholes would be much, much more degrading than camming... where i get paid enough for my time, can kick people out at any time, and EVERYTHING is on my own terms. again, it has nothing to do with me - it's society/capitalism.
basically, sex work isn't inherently degrading, it's society that makes it degrading by degrading women in the first place!! i'd say that in general, individuals don't perpetuate problems, society as a whole does.
(SAY DEGRADING ONE MORE TIME APRIL)

also (and this is only vaguely related sorry but it's been on my mind for a while) i think sex work is stigmatized in part because it's one of the only industries in which women's incomes greatly exceed men's. idk i hope that made sense

 

[AprilKitt]

yeah, there are a lot of people that see me as a sex object, but that's not my fault. i'm just fucking myself for cash. there's nothing degrading about fucking myself, so why does it suddenly become degrading when it's for money?
although at the same time i can see how camming could be seen as degrading/objectifying, and i struggle with that a little bit, but when i think about it, just about every job is degrading in some way. to me, a minimum wage job where i had to put up with assholes would be much, much more degrading than camming... where i get paid enough for my time, can kick people out at any time, and EVERYTHING is on my own terms. again, it has nothing to do with me - it's society/capitalism.
basically, sex work isn't inherently degrading, it's society that makes it degrading by degrading women in the first place!! i'd say that in general, individuals don't perpetuate problems, society as a whole does.
(SAY DEGRADING ONE MORE TIME APRIL)

also (and this is only vaguely related sorry but it's been on my mind for a while) i think sex work is stigmatized in part because it's one of the only industries in which women's incomes greatly exceed men's. idk i hope that made sense

ahh, i think it's too late to edit but what i meant to say was individuals don't perpetuate society's problems with their personal choices. that don't affect anyone else. otherwise this sounds ridiculous :lol:

 

[SexySteph]

I feel like camming and pornography are seperate from the media.

I agree that the media sexualizes and objectifies women, but that's different than what happens in pornography and sex at home.

I feel like our own sexuality and sex life happens in a vacuum. If I like being choked during sex or enjoy watching porn that involves coercion that doesn't mean I think that it's alright if a man chokes a woman on the streets or if sorority sisters haze the new girls by forcing themselves on them. What happens in porn, on webcam and in our bedrooms doesn't effect what happens in the rest of the world.

Idk if this makes any sense though...

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

basically, sex work isn't inherently degrading, it's society that makes it degrading by degrading women in the first place!!


also (and this is only vaguely related sorry but it's been on my mind for a while) i think sex work is stigmatized in part because it's one of the only industries in which women's incomes greatly exceed men's. idk i hope that made sense

OMG! Love these 2 points. I completely agree with you. I never even thought of the second part listed here. That is an excellent, excellent observation. I wonder if that's true!!!

 

[xSALTx]

I feel like camming and pornography are seperate from the media.

I agree that the media sexualizes and objectifies women, but that's different than what happens in pornography and sex at home.

I feel like our own sexuality and sex life happens in a vacuum. If I like being choked during sex or enjoy watching porn that involves coercion that doesn't mean I think that it's alright if a man chokes a woman on the streets or if sorority sisters haze the new girls by forcing themselves on them. What happens in porn, on webcam and in our bedrooms doesn't effect what happens in the rest of the world.

Idk if this makes any sense though...

:text-yeahthat:

I had a big long post and watched the youtube vid after So I gave up...

To summarize. If everyone is consenting adults and happy with their actions, affecting no one else but themselves, Then it's cool. I think that when a woman compromises her morals and principals whether that be in regular media or camming, then yes she is being objectified, and furthermore allowing herself to be. But as long as she is following her own code and is happy, then it's all good.

I don't think regular media and porn can be blamed for societies views of women. That is like blaming video games and rap music for violence.
Is it unfair how some real people treat and respect women? Absolutely! Can this be blamed on art or entertainment? No, certainly not entirely or even mostly. I think this is inherently the parents responsibilities to teach children how to treat and respect everyone regardless of gender. Blaming media is kind of like blaming a gun for shooting and not the person who pulled the trigger though ( if that makes sense).

So yes things need to change, but it isn't necessarily the media. It is the people who objectify women. I find that the people who exploit or mistreat them will do so no matter what. I can be on cam, or I can be dressed for church walking down the street. The men who cat call or have negative things to say, will still find a way to try and hurt me.

The best thing we can do about these types of people is keep on keeping on with what we feel is personally right for us.

P.S Please, please, please don't take away my BDSM Porn ray:

 

[Gen]

I feel like camming and pornography are seperate from the media.

I agree that the media sexualizes and objectifies women, but that's different than what happens in pornography and sex at home.

I feel like our own sexuality and sex life happens in a vacuum. If I like being choked during sex or enjoy watching porn that involves coercion that doesn't mean I think that it's alright if a man chokes a woman on the streets or if sorority sisters haze the new girls by forcing themselves on them. What happens in porn, on webcam and in our bedrooms doesn't effect what happens in the rest of the world.

Idk if this makes any sense though...

I disagree, I think porn is part of media and can have a pretty big impact on our lives. Porn is really commonplace, especially with the internet and how easily accessible it is; I don't think we can completely separate it. I'd liken it to knowing that models are Photoshopped on billboards and in magazines, just because we are aware of it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't impact us.

It's been shown that watching violent porn makes men behave more aggressively towards women, as well as that watching violent porn increases acceptance of violence against women. (I don't know offhand of any studies that are focused on studying women, this was just something we studied recently so it's at the forefront of my mind!) All of these studies differentiated between violent porn (essentially anything with an element of violence, which would include choking, hitting, etc) and non-violent porn, and they found that simply watching porn didn't have these effects, but combining porn & violence did.

Personally I am a fan of rough sex & porn with things like choking and all that, but I'm interested in the fact that it's become really commonplace that things like that are in a lot of porn nowadays, and so many women enjoy it as well as men. So I wonder why this is so popular (like I said, I like it too!), and what the effects are on both men & women. I don't think that violent porn should be outlawed or anything like that, because obviously people enjoy making it and watching it (and I'm all for people doing what they want), and I'd imagine most of those people don't act violently towards others, but I do think it's relevant and important to look at why things are popular and what impacts that might have on a larger scale.

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

I feel like camming and pornography are seperate from the media.

I agree that the media sexualizes and objectifies women, but that's different than what happens in pornography and sex at home.

I feel like our own sexuality and sex life happens in a vacuum. If I like being choked during sex or enjoy watching porn that involves coercion that doesn't mean I think that it's alright if a man chokes a woman on the streets or if sorority sisters haze the new girls by forcing themselves on them. What happens in porn, on webcam and in our bedrooms doesn't effect what happens in the rest of the world.

Idk if this makes any sense though...

I disagree, I think porn is part of media and can have a pretty big impact on our lives. Porn is really commonplace, especially with the internet and how easily accessible it is; I don't think we can completely separate it. I'd liken it to knowing that models are Photoshopped on billboards and in magazines, just because we are aware of it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't impact us.

It's been shown that watching violent porn makes men behave more aggressively towards women, as well as that watching violent porn increases acceptance of violence against women. (I don't know offhand of any studies that are focused on studying women, this was just something we studied recently so it's at the forefront of my mind!) All of these studies differentiated between violent porn (essentially anything with an element of violence, which would include choking, hitting, etc) and non-violent porn, and they found that simply watching porn didn't have these effects, but combining porn & violence did.

Personally I am a fan of rough sex & porn with things like choking and all that, but I'm interested in the fact that it's become really commonplace that things like that are in a lot of porn nowadays, and so many women enjoy it as well as men. So I wonder why this is so popular (like I said, I like it too!), and what the effects are on both men & women. I don't think that violent porn should be outlawed or anything like that, because obviously people enjoy making it and watching it (and I'm all for people doing what they want), and I'd imagine most of those people don't act violently towards others, but I do think it's relevant and important to look at why things are popular and what impacts that might have on a larger scale.

Maybe the violent or "I'm going to put you in your place and dominate you" kinds of porns are possibly playing into how we are designed biologically? I'm obviously not saying that women were born inferior to men, but by evolutionary default the male gender is dominant to women in terms of strength and maybe we like playing into that sometimes when we are exploring our sexualities.

IDK just shooting shit here lol

 

[AmberCutie]

yeah, there are a lot of people that see me as a sex object, but that's not my fault. i'm just fucking myself for cash.

I don't know where I fall in this discussion, because I can see points on both sides of the spectrum, but the line I quoted is super contradictory and... weird?

If you fuck yourself for money, you're purposefully making yourself a sex object to the people who pay you for that.

In a discussion about objectification and feminism, I am not sure why you'd make a statement like that. I realize that we cam girls are people as well as performers, but when we are putting ourselves out there in a sexy way purposefully to get people aroused in order to make our paycheck, we can't go around touting "OMG stop seeing me as a sex object!". We can say "we aren't *just* sex objects, we have feelings and thoughts, too" but can't rule ourselves out as sex objects completely.

 

[Gen]

Maybe the violent or "I'm going to put you in your place and dominate you" kinds of porns are possibly playing into how we are designed biologically? I'm obviously not saying that women were born inferior to men, but by evolutionary default the male gender is dominant to women in terms of strength and maybe we like playing into that sometimes when we are exploring our sexualities.

IDK just shooting shit here lol

It could be! I wondered if it has something to do with the kind of weird social period we're in now, where women are transitioning into more positions of power and equality, but we still have some of the previous ideas about submissiveness and stuff, so rather than that coming out in the social realm, it comes out in the bedroom? But really, it could be a million and one things! It just kinda interests me.

I'm also with Amber that I can see a bunch of sides to this and I'm not sure where I fit into it.

 

[AprilKitt]

yeah, there are a lot of people that see me as a sex object, but that's not my fault. i'm just fucking myself for cash.

I don't know where I fall in this discussion, because I can see points on both sides of the spectrum, but the line I quoted is super contradictory and... weird?

If you fuck yourself for money, you're purposefully making yourself a sex object to the people who pay you for that.

In a discussion about objectification and feminism, I am not sure why you'd make a statement like that. I realize that we cam girls are people as well as performers, but when we are putting ourselves out there in a sexy way purposefully to get people aroused in order to make our paycheck, we can't go around touting "OMG stop seeing me as a sex object!". We can say "we aren't *just* sex objects, we have feelings and thoughts, too" but can't rule ourselves out as sex objects completely.

hahaha! you're right, the way i put those two sentences together was totally weird they were kinda meant as two separate points. i have trouble articulating things sometimes!!
i do think i have a right to not be seen as a sex object though. this is my job! people who work at mcdonald's aren't seen as burger-flipping objects, doctors aren't seen as surgeon-performing objects, etc. it's generally recognized that they're people with lives outside of their job. so why is it any different for sex workers? i mean, i'll freely admit that i'm a sexual being, of course, but i have a problem with using "sex object" to describe myself.
(and btw, i'm talking about the general public here, not customers. i don't expect every customer to try to get to know me or some shit. it's totally cool if they just take care of their needs and leave, haha.)
idk sex work vs. feminism is a subject that i'm still trying to navigate in my head and it's hard to put words to my thoughts so i apologize if i only half make sense here

 

[Bocefish]

i do think i have a right to not be seen as a sex object though. this is my job! people who work at mcdonald's aren't seen as burger-flipping objects, doctors aren't seen as surgeon-performing objects, etc. it's generally recognized that they're people with lives outside of their job. so why is it any different for sex workers? i mean, i'll freely admit that i'm a sexual being, of course, but i have a problem with using "sex object" to describe myself.

So... As a sex worker, you don't want to be seen as a sex object?

If I saw you walking down the street, I wouldn't throw a bag of nickels at you and expect you to flash me your boobs.

Nor would I expect a McD's employee to whip up a big mac for me if I saw them on the street. :dontknow:

 

[AprilKitt]

i do think i have a right to not be seen as a sex object though. this is my job! people who work at mcdonald's aren't seen as burger-flipping objects, doctors aren't seen as surgeon-performing objects, etc. it's generally recognized that they're people with lives outside of their job. so why is it any different for sex workers? i mean, i'll freely admit that i'm a sexual being, of course, but i have a problem with using "sex object" to describe myself.

So... As a sex worker, you don't want to be seen as a sex object?

yep, exactly! i don't see anything contradictory about this at all.

(edit since you added to your post)
you are oversimplifying things. obviously if you didn't know i was a sex worker you wouldn't expect me to do things, but are sex workers oversexualised (did i just make up a word) outside of our jobs? FUCK YES. ask any camgirl who has tried to get a boyfriend. the second we tell men about our jobs, many of them instantly start to think of us as sex objects, consciously or not. (obviously this doesn't apply to ALL MEN EVER so pls don't reply to this like, "well i wouldn't do that!!" it's just a common theme)

 

[Crumb]

Stoya, she's feminist, but her job isn't
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/stoya-feminism-and-me

this thread reminded me of that article... just putting it out there.

 

[Gen]

Stoya is so amazing. And I love this quote: "As long as I continue to enjoy performing in pornography and the positive social effects seem to outweigh the negative ones I’m going to keep doing it, but let’s not pretend that performing in mainstream porn is any sort of liberating act for all womankind."

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

Stoya is so amazing. And I love this quote: "As long as I continue to enjoy performing in pornography and the positive social effects seem to outweigh the negative ones I’m going to keep doing it, but let’s not pretend that performing in mainstream porn is any sort of liberating act for all womankind."

I can definitely agree... I earned myself an A in western civ classes just by writing about the sex industry and gender roles, feminism, etc. I don't think that being an adult entertainer of any form liberates womankind as a whole, but as an INDIVIDUAL- if we choose to partake then it definitely is empowering, so long as we are okay with it.

I heard of a study several months ago actually about women that choose to be in this lifestyle vs. women that choose not to be; conclusions thus far were that women involved with the industry were actually more comfortable with themselves as a person. Now I don't know if this is a causal effect (Affect? lol) of being more comfortable with their sexualities, but either way it was very a very interesting find.

Also, if anybody is wondering there are also statistics that show women in the industry have the same child molestation rates as women in business, ex. accounting. Kind of off topic but another interesting thing I discovered while talking to a friend in grad school a while ago. I think we began talking about my job and if I thought the stereotypical "daddy issue" thing had anything to do with "how I turned out."

...yeah...that really pissed me off.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Stoya, she's feminist, but her job isn't
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/stoya-feminism-and-me

this thread reminded me of that article... just putting it out there.

Ermahgerd, I love her. She's so level-headed and writes so eloquently.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I heard of a study several months ago actually about women that choose to be in this lifestyle vs. women that choose not to be; conclusions thus far were that women involved with the industry were actually more comfortable with themselves as a person. Now I don't know if this is a causal effect (Affect? lol) of being more comfortable with their sexualities, but either way it was very a very interesting find.

Got a link to this super scientific sounding study? Sounds completely made up but I'd love to read it.

 

[Gen]

I heard of a study several months ago actually about women that choose to be in this lifestyle vs. women that choose not to be; conclusions thus far were that women involved with the industry were actually more comfortable with themselves as a person. Now I don't know if this is a causal effect (Affect? lol) of being more comfortable with their sexualities, but either way it was very a very interesting find.

Got a link to this super scientific sounding study? Sounds completely made up but I'd love to read it.

I found this:

A comparison of sexual behaviors and attitudes, self-esteem, quality of life, and drug use among pornography actors and a matched sample.
Authors: Griffith, James D., Department of Psychology, Shippensburg University, Shippensburg, PA, US, jdgrif@ship.edu
Mitchell, Sharon, Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation, Los Angeles, CA, US
Hammond, Brian, Department of Psychology, Shippensburg University, Shippensburg, PA, US
Gu, Lucy L., Department of Psychology, Shippensburg University, Shippensburg, PA, US
Hart, Christian L., Department of Psychology, Texas Woman’s University, Denton, TX, US


The present study compared the self-reports of 105 porn actors to a sample of men matched on age, ethnicity, and marital status. Comparisons were conducted on sexual behaviors and attitudes, self-esteem, quality of life, and drug use. Porn actors’ first sex was at an earlier age, they had more sexual partners and a higher enjoyment of sex, they were more concerned about catching a sexually transmitted disease, and they were less likely to use a condom during a first-time sexual encounter compared with the matched sample, although there were no differences in incidence of childhood sexual abuse. In terms of psychological characteristics, porn actors had higher levels of self-esteem and quality-of-life indicators. Lastly, male performers were more likely to have used five different types of drugs compared with the comparison group during their lifetime and were more likely to have used marijuana during the past 6 months. These findings provide mixed support for stereotypes concerning male porn actors.

That might be the study she's referring to? I found a few other kind of similar ones, though most of the ones I found were based on porn actors specifically.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

^Thanks, would like the link tho. Curious how they reached some of these conclusions. More worried about stds but less likely to wear a condom in first time experience? Weird. Higher drug use but also higher self esteem? Weird. Contradicts all studies on drug users having low self esteem.

 

[Camgirl]

^Thanks, would like the link tho. Curious how they reached some of these conclusions. More worried about stds but less likely to wear a condom in first time experience? Weird. Higher drug use but also higher self esteem? Weird. Contradicts all studies on drug users having low self esteem.

I found this when I googled the excerpt.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19317611.2012.710183?journalCode=wijs20#preview

 

[PunkInDrublic]

^Preciate it. Article doesn't say anything about how they got these results, I'm guessing it was just some questionnaire. lol I was hoping for a legit study to read but instead I'm just gonna feel dumb about not thinking to google the excerpt.

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

^Thanks, would like the link tho. Curious how they reached some of these conclusions. More worried about stds but less likely to wear a condom in first time experience? Weird. Higher drug use but also higher self esteem? Weird. Contradicts all studies on drug users having low self esteem.

Firstly, this is not a definitive study. Their sample size was not adequate enough nor were there enough trials for it to be considered a fully sound study.

It is just a study that is interesting and fun to think about and maybe can lead to some insight for future studies

Secondly, define first time experience? Is is first time experience EVER or first time experience with a new person? Maybe porn actors are less likely to wear condoms during first time experience EVER and that is why they are afraid of contracting STD's in the future. I don't think that's weird at all. As for the first time experience with a new person; okay yeah, that does sound very contradictory.

I can't find the exact study (you have to have a log in account to access the archives? idk) but I this was the article I read a while ago: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/2 ... 92214.html

I'm sure there are several other studies done regarding the same thing so I'm sure there's the actual published study somewhere; I just never took the time to find it.

EDIT: Sources for Huff. post article (see above)

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

^Preciate it. Article doesn't say anything about how they got these results, I'm guessing it was just some questionnaire. lol I was hoping for a legit study to read but instead I'm just gonna feel dumb about not thinking to google the excerpt.

You have to download it; this is the actual published study. It only displays the abstract which is the first part (introductory part) of a scientific paper.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/2 ... 92214.html

lol had to stop reading this "study" at the more spiritual part. Probably from the same people that did the other super scientific poll.

 

[Gen]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/2 ... 92214.html

lol had to stop reading this "study" at the more spiritual part. Probably from the same people that did the other super scientific poll.

I'm not sure by what means they'd measure stuff like this aside from self-reports and surveys, it'd be hard to conduct a true experiment on something like this ("okay, we're randomly assigning you to fuck for money on camera, now how is your self-esteem?" haha).

I got a copy of their report through my school site, it's pretty interesting but I'd definitely be interested to see more studies. I'd like to see similar studies run with people in different areas of the industry (camgirls, strippers, escorts, etc.).

Also iKarli this was what they put for first sexual experiences: "On a 100-point scale (0% not likely at all and 100% definitely), estimate the likelihood that you would use a condom if having heterosexual sex with someone for the first time." So it seems they did mean new partners overall. That is contradictory and strange!

And it looks like they included alcohol in their list of drugs, as well as diet pills and Valium. I wonder if porn stars might be more likely to use diet pills because of the pressure to maintain a certain body image?

Also holy smokes, looking at the number of lifetime sexual partners (and this isn't including through work, so just personal lives):
Matched sample (non porn actors): 5.18 (with a standard deviation of 5.56)
Porn actresses: 74.76 (SD 159.64) :shock:

That is such a huge difference!
Anyways thank you Karli & Punk for inspiring me to look this up, it's a pretty interesting study and I'm going to spend my evening looking up stuff like this. I never thought to look into it before but this is cool! :mrgreen: