Drugs, Alcohol and Cam Girls

[Rose]

Guys, I think it's quite obvious that Joe has a fetish for intoxicated women from broken homes. That's definitely why he started this thread. Problem solved! Now let's all go home and make bad decisions. :thumbleft: :thumbleft:

 

[SatanJonez]

So if your argument for it being a fact is that it is so prevalent on MFC, what is the deal with the 1.5k-ish models constantly logged into Streamate who are NEVER drinking?

 

[IndicaDesires]

Just because we're sexually open doesn't mean we're damaged or mentally unwell

This is a huge connection when it comes to the stereotyping nonsense that is in this thread/the world in general when it comes to sex work. Along side the "Oh, their home life/childhood must have be just FILLED with strife and bad things if they can do something so terrible as make money by showing strangers their bodies. Normal people don't do that!!" it's a bad combo and I think it partly keeps going on for two reason. 1. Some women DO get into desperate situations and try/do sex work when they probably mentally shouldn't. It is not an easy job and you have to be strong to last within it. In the US this is a fairly small percentage when you take in the overall number of sex workers. 2. It's SO much easier for people to believe than someone in this job actually enjoys it. It fits better in some people's mind and world view. Women in the situation described in 1 is also what a vast majority of the media shows you. Why? Negativity brings more attention than positivity especially with something that is still taboo like sex work.

No kidding. Back before I became a homebody and got in a serious relationship, I had a fair amount of sex and was very open about it. I got my fair share of "daddy issue" comments. Because apparently it's unbelievable that women might enjoy casual sex :roll:
I knew I would get similar attitudes going into this industry, but I was pleasantly surprised to find most of the guys are kind and respectful, and that my friends really support what I do when I tell them.

I cam for various reasons, but the main ones being
1. I live in a small, po-dunk town with practically no job options within a 40 mile radius
2. the few jobs available here won't hire me because of the dye in my hair
3. this has the potential to earn a LOT more money than a minimum wage burger job.
4. Being in school means I need a flexible schedule
5. I don't really do well working public service jobs. I'm not A bitch, but I am bitchy. I say exactly what's on my mind and don't tolerate bullshit. I hate kissing ass. And with this, I don't have to. If you piss me off, I ban you. It's that simple.
and lastly, I personally am a little "lazy" and some days just don't feel like working (not saying this is common at all. Most camgirls work a thousand times harder than I do, I'm sure)
So it's nice to have the option to say "fuck it, I'm not working today" without having to worry about losing my job.

Coming from a divorced family has nothing to do with it

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Like Punk, jesus that dude loves to argue, but he doesn't go into shit unwilling 100% to change his POV and he's mostly just a troll anyway.

Why everybody always calling me a troll tho haha? Yes, I do sometimes enjoy trolling and sometimes have a weird way of trying to get a point across but I'm not really a troll. I post in plenty of threads with no trolling at all. I never do any trolling at camsites, almost too respectful at them. I'm just not a suck up or an agreeable alan here so I must be a troll. I do enjoy arguing a little too much, won't argue with that.

Edited to add that I stick up for yall just as often as I'm critical, maybe not just as often but I do try.

 

[SatanJonez]

Like Punk, jesus that dude loves to argue, but he doesn't go into shit unwilling 100% to change his POV and he's mostly just a troll anyway.

Why everybody always calling me a troll tho haha? Yes, I do sometimes enjoy trolling and sometimes have a weird way of trying to get a point across but I'm not really a troll. I post in plenty of threads with no trolling at all. I never do any trolling at camsites, almost too respectful at them. I'm just not a suck up or an agreeable alan here so I must be a troll. I do enjoy arguing a little too much, won't argue with that.

That was poorly worded, sorry Punk. You CAN be a troll. You're not a total troll and you do contribute to a lot of threads here. My bad.

 

[SatanJonez]

Just because we're sexually open doesn't mean we're damaged or mentally unwell

This is a huge connection when it comes to the stereotyping nonsense that is in this thread/the world in general when it comes to sex work. Along side the "Oh, their home life/childhood must have be just FILLED with strife and bad things if they can do something so terrible as make money by showing strangers their bodies. Normal people don't do that!!" it's a bad combo and I think it partly keeps going on for two reason. 1. Some women DO get into desperate situations and try/do sex work when they probably mentally shouldn't. It is not an easy job and you have to be strong to last within it. In the US this is a fairly small percentage when you take in the overall number of sex workers. 2. It's SO much easier for people to believe than someone in this job actually enjoys it. It fits better in some people's mind and world view. Women in the situation described in 1 is also what a vast majority of the media shows you. Why? Negativity brings more attention than positivity especially with something that is still taboo like sex work.

No kidding. Back before I became a homebody and got in a serious relationship, I had a fair amount of sex and was very open about it. I got my fair share of "daddy issue" comments. Because apparently it's unbelievable that women might enjoy casual sex :roll:
I knew I would get similar attitudes going into this industry, but I was pleasantly surprised to find most of the guys are kind and respectful, and that my friends really support what I do when I tell them.

I cam for various reasons, but the main ones being
1. I live in a small, po-dunk town with practically no job options within a 40 mile radius
2. the few jobs available here won't hire me because of the dye in my hair
3. this has the potential to earn a LOT more money than a minimum wage burger job.
4. Being in school means I need a flexible schedule
5. I don't really do well working public service jobs. I'm not A bitch, but I am bitchy. I say exactly what's on my mind and don't tolerate bullshit. I hate kissing ass. And with this, I don't have to. If you piss me off, I ban you. It's that simple.
and lastly, I personally am a little "lazy" and some days just don't feel like working (not saying this is common at all. Most camgirls work a thousand times harder than I do, I'm sure)
So it's nice to have the option to say "fuck it, I'm not working today" without having to worry about losing my job.

Coming from a divorced family has nothing to do with it

Coming from a pair of parents that have not been divorced, all of these reason were why I started camming initially. I stayed with it on and off (and making clips) because I liked it. Shit, I suppose I should have gone and done a job I would dislike because I come from a house with two parents who stayed together. Darn.

 

[IndicaDesires]

Just because we're sexually open doesn't mean we're damaged or mentally unwell

This is a huge connection when it comes to the stereotyping nonsense that is in this thread/the world in general when it comes to sex work. Along side the "Oh, their home life/childhood must have be just FILLED with strife and bad things if they can do something so terrible as make money by showing strangers their bodies. Normal people don't do that!!" it's a bad combo and I think it partly keeps going on for two reason. 1. Some women DO get into desperate situations and try/do sex work when they probably mentally shouldn't. It is not an easy job and you have to be strong to last within it. In the US this is a fairly small percentage when you take in the overall number of sex workers. 2. It's SO much easier for people to believe than someone in this job actually enjoys it. It fits better in some people's mind and world view. Women in the situation described in 1 is also what a vast majority of the media shows you. Why? Negativity brings more attention than positivity especially with something that is still taboo like sex work.

No kidding. Back before I became a homebody and got in a serious relationship, I had a fair amount of sex and was very open about it. I got my fair share of "daddy issue" comments. Because apparently it's unbelievable that women might enjoy casual sex :roll:
I knew I would get similar attitudes going into this industry, but I was pleasantly surprised to find most of the guys are kind and respectful, and that my friends really support what I do when I tell them.

I cam for various reasons, but the main ones being
1. I live in a small, po-dunk town with practically no job options within a 40 mile radius
2. the few jobs available here won't hire me because of the dye in my hair
3. this has the potential to earn a LOT more money than a minimum wage burger job.
4. Being in school means I need a flexible schedule
5. I don't really do well working public service jobs. I'm not A bitch, but I am bitchy. I say exactly what's on my mind and don't tolerate bullshit. I hate kissing ass. And with this, I don't have to. If you piss me off, I ban you. It's that simple.
and lastly, I personally am a little "lazy" and some days just don't feel like working (not saying this is common at all. Most camgirls work a thousand times harder than I do, I'm sure)
So it's nice to have the option to say "fuck it, I'm not working today" without having to worry about losing my job.

Coming from a divorced family has nothing to do with it

Coming from a pair of parents that have not been divorced, all of these reason were why I started camming initially. I stayed with it on and off (and making clips) because I liked it. Shit, I suppose I should have gone and done a job I would dislike because I come from a house with two parents who stayed together. Darn.

Oh yeah, I stuck around because I love it. It's amazing.

I also forgot to mention that my boyfriend and friends all live 2-3 hours away, and work day jobs. So I get bored and lonely and want people to talk to when they're busy. I've met a lot of interesting people on here, and I'm never short on people to talk with.

 

[SaffronBurke]

So if your argument for it being a fact is that it is so prevalent on MFC, what is the deal with the 1.5k-ish models constantly logged into Streamate who are NEVER drinking?

:thumbleft: Not to mention, all of the other camsites that don't allow drinking and crack down on it.



Honestly, drug & alcohol abuse aren't as prevalent in camming as they are in other lines of work I've been in. Retail and food service are big ones.

When mall workers go on break and smoke by the dumpster, there's cigarettes, weed, and booze being passed around, and people shooting up. And this is at the "nice" mall on the super-ritzy side of town, not just the ones in less-wealthy neighborhoods.

Working in a restaurant, it's ridiculously easy to drink on the job, and then everyone would go to a bar after closing and get even more drunk. My first day, a waitress was being asked if she could come on for the breakfast shift the next day, and the manager explicitly told her, "You can come in high, but don't come in drunk".

And working in an office.... :lol: I work for one of the leading financial institutions in the country, and we don't drug test. We have to be fingerprinted and pass a background check, but we don't drug test. Every couple of months, we get a lecture because the janitors found empty beer or liquor bottles in the bathroom trash. A vast majority of my coworkers smoke weed, and some even sell it to each other. I've also heard people openly admit to using meth.

But camming is where the problem is, sure. :lol:

 

[SatanJonez]

So again, commenting. J, my hetero live in fuck puppet, has a very strict job from an outside view. He works with big name companies doing manual labor (put things together/tear them down). It's super common (I'd say 60/40, the greater being on something) for people to come into work, drunk or high, both. It's largely over looked unless the contact notices.

They are going to Denver this month for a week long tear down. More than one particular person is SUPER stoked, can you guess why?

 

[IndicaDesires]

So again, commenting. J, my hetero live in fuck puppet, has a very strict job from an outside view. He works with big name companies doing manual labor (put things together/tear them down). It's super common (I'd say 60/40, the greater being on something) for people to come into work, drunk or high, both. It's largely over looked unless the contact notices.

They are going to Denver this month for a week long tear down. More than one particular person is SUPER stoked, can you guess why?

The drunkest I have ever seen my boyfriend was during a company training week. A whole bunch of accountants in a hotel for 5 days. And apparently he was one of the more sober ones. Business men are crazy drunks.

 

[SaffronBurke]

So again, commenting. J, my hetero live in fuck puppet, has a very strict job from an outside view. He works with big name companies doing manual labor (put things together/tear them down). It's super common (I'd say 60/40, the greater being on something) for people to come into work, drunk or high, both. It's largely over looked unless the contact notices.

They are going to Denver this month for a week long tear down. More than one particular person is SUPER stoked, can you guess why?

The drunkest I have ever seen my boyfriend was during a company training week. A whole bunch of accountants in a hotel for 5 days. And apparently he was one of the more sober ones. Business men are crazy drunks.

100% absolute truth. My mom works for the same company as I do, and a couple years ago, she won a trip that they give to people with amazing performance. It was four days in a fancy resort with an open bar, and a fancy banquet meal the last night with a server at your shoulder every five minutes refilling your wine glass. Mine rarely got so low as 1/3 full, they were so on top of it, and I'm a heavy drinker regardless of what you give me. Everyone was hammered the whole time. And on the plane ride there and back.

 

[IndicaDesires]

So again, commenting. J, my hetero live in fuck puppet, has a very strict job from an outside view. He works with big name companies doing manual labor (put things together/tear them down). It's super common (I'd say 60/40, the greater being on something) for people to come into work, drunk or high, both. It's largely over looked unless the contact notices.

They are going to Denver this month for a week long tear down. More than one particular person is SUPER stoked, can you guess why?

The drunkest I have ever seen my boyfriend was during a company training week. A whole bunch of accountants in a hotel for 5 days. And apparently he was one of the more sober ones. Business men are crazy drunks.

100% absolute truth. My mom works for the same company as I do, and a couple years ago, she won a trip that they give to people with amazing performance. It was four days in a fancy resort with an open bar, and a fancy banquet meal the last night with a server at your shoulder every five minutes refilling your wine glass. Mine rarely got so low as 1/3 full, they were so on top of it, and I'm a heavy drinker regardless of what you give me. Everyone was hammered the whole time. And on the plane ride there and back.

Bahahaha. that is AWESOME. and good for her =) Hey, if I had access to free booze, I'd definitely wear it out, too. People should definitely enjoy themselves.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Additional questions to models on this topic? How does your drug/ alcohol use change when you are not camming/ on non-camming days?

And what about if you change hours? (Many people drink more after working nights for example, to help with sleep. Incidently this is a bad idea, it results in lighter, poorer sleep pattern, and it gets worse the more you do that.)

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

Additional questions to models on this topic? How does your drug/ alcohol use change when you are not camming/ on non-camming days?

And what about if you change hours? (Many people drink more after working nights for example, to help with sleep. Incidently this is a bad idea, it results in lighter, poorer sleep pattern, and it gets worse the more you do that.)

I actually tend to drink more during the day on my off days (from school) for this very reaaon. I drink a few glasses on cam throughout the night unless it's a loooong night online in which I sometimes Accidentally get trashed. But yes I agree, I try not to make this a regular thing just because it screws up my sleep.

 

[DeezNA]

How has no one flipped the tables here?

I'm not gonna resort to throwing out bullshit made-up statistics, but the majority of my clientele are either current or recovering porn/sex addicts, alcoholics (just survey a room and ask how many are drinking with you on any given Monday night), drug users/abusers, abuse or trauma victims, etc. The difference? You can SEE the model; the FOCUS is on the model.

As models, we display what we want to display. If we want to accent the "stoner" or "drinker" aspects of our personalities as part of our public persona, that's our prerogative. To assume that a performer who is putting on a show for you has a serious personal problem is kinda like going up to Nicolas Cage and telling him he really needs to stop desecrating national monuments looking for hidden treasure. It's a serious problem, guys.

I have had and still do have my own fair share of addictions. I have also worked for many years in rehabilitation and support for youth substance abuse prevention. My parents have been together for 35+ years. I chose my profession, as did every model here; the life did not choose us.

The only *problem* I see here is a rampant hero complex. It's everywhere, not just with substance abuse suspicion but with the whole "oh, I need to save you from this horrible line of work that you are 'stuck' in". Oh, my glorious knight in shining armor, sweep me off my feet! We could psychoanalyze that, but that would kinda feel a little insulting, personal and finger-pointy, now wouldn't it?


In the end, you can't "save" someone who doesn't want to be saved. They need to want change.

If you are seriously concerned about specific models (or other people in your life that do have actual issues), have a private and serious conversation explaining how and why you are concerned and provide them with resources if they need them.

If you want to actively save people, go train to be an EMT. If you want to be entertained by models, watch them and enjoy the show. If you don't like the show, move on.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Additional questions to models on this topic? How does your drug/ alcohol use change when you are not camming/ on non-camming days?

And what about if you change hours? (Many people drink more after working nights for example, to help with sleep. Incidently this is a bad idea, it results in lighter, poorer sleep pattern, and it gets worse the more you do that.)

When I drank, I drank less on cam than off, but that was mainly because I couldn't say no to a guy who was constantly drinking, so...yeah.

 

[SatanJonez]

Additional questions to models on this topic? How does your drug/ alcohol use change when you are not camming/ on non-camming days?

And what about if you change hours? (Many people drink more after working nights for example, to help with sleep. Incidently this is a bad idea, it results in lighter, poorer sleep pattern, and it gets worse the more you do that.)

Well, I drink on the weekends (usually Fri - Sun, two or three cups of wine) regardless. When I don't get on cam or film, I still drink pretty much the same on the same days. It could increase while I'm on cam, when I'm entertained/feeling social I keep drinking, but it's spaced out more than it would be for a night out in bars/restaurants. I'm a nocturnal person in general lately, so drinking at work fucks with my REM shit. When you fall asleep tipsy/drunk, you wake up less than 8 hours later (usually) with no actual deep sleep. Thankfully I can catch a quick nap and perk right up (I blame this on still being moderately young).

 

[Deleted member 16664]

I don't think being a cam girl makes you an alcoholic. I can go to any bar and find tons of non-cams girls shit faced.

But I do think that it's easy to drink on cam and it can become habit-forming. Personally, I drink wine *sometimes* on cam (no more than 1-2 glasses of wine the entire time). I monitor my drinking. I also smoke herb sometimes, which I am 100% love and I am happy doing that with obviously no ill health effects. I don't do hard drugs, never have, and never will!

Also, my parents have been married my entire life and not divorced.

Every stereotype has *some* truth to it, for sure, but it's definitely only part of the story…...

 

[SatanJonez]

How has no one flipped the tables here?

I'm not gonna resort to throwing out bullshit made-up statistics, but the majority of my clientele are either current or recovering porn/sex addicts, alcoholics (just survey a room and ask how many are drinking with you on any given Monday night), drug users/abusers, abuse or trauma victims, etc. The difference? You can SEE the model; the FOCUS is on the model.

As models, we display what we want to display. If we want to accent the "stoner" or "drinker" aspects of our personalities as part of our public persona, that's our prerogative. To assume that a performer who is putting on a show for you has a serious personal problem is kinda like going up to Nicolas Cage and telling him he really needs to stop desecrating national monuments looking for hidden treasure. It's a serious problem, guys.

I have had and still do have my own fair share of addictions. I have also worked for many years in rehabilitation and support for youth substance abuse prevention. My parents have been together for 35+ years. I chose my profession, as did every model here; the life did not choose us.

The only *problem* I see here is a rampant hero complex. It's everywhere, not just with substance abuse suspicion but with the whole "oh, I need to save you from this horrible line of work that you are 'stuck' in". Oh, my glorious knight in shining armor, sweep me off my feet! We could psychoanalyze that, but that would kinda feel a little insulting, personal and finger-pointy, now wouldn't it?


In the end, you can't "save" someone who doesn't want to be saved. They need to want change.

If you are seriously concerned about specific models (or other people in your life that do have actual issues), have a private and serious conversation explaining how and why you are concerned and provide them with resources if they need them.

If you want to actively save people, go train to be an EMT. If you want to be entertained by models, watch them and enjoy the show. If you don't like the show, move on.

I have been desperately holding back the urge to call this Joe person Captain Save-A-Hoe, but damn. Deez nailed it as usual.

 

[Gen]

I would guess I drink, on average, 1-2 drinks a month. Usually a bellini over dinner with friends or a couple beers when watching a hockey game. I guess I drink more often off cam than on cam. I've gotten tipsy a few times on cam (on my birthday and during the Canadian sleepover, because I was drinking off cam beforehand), but overall booze is too expensive for my blood, my vice is comic books :lol: I like a drink once in a whole but I just don't happen to drink often.

 

[IndicaDesires]

How has no one flipped the tables here?

I'm not gonna resort to throwing out bullshit made-up statistics, but the majority of my clientele are either current or recovering porn/sex addicts, alcoholics (just survey a room and ask how many are drinking with you on any given Monday night), drug users/abusers, abuse or trauma victims, etc. The difference? You can SEE the model; the FOCUS is on the model.

As models, we display what we want to display. If we want to accent the "stoner" or "drinker" aspects of our personalities as part of our public persona, that's our prerogative. To assume that a performer who is putting on a show for you has a serious personal problem is kinda like going up to Nicolas Cage and telling him he really needs to stop desecrating national monuments looking for hidden treasure. It's a serious problem, guys.

I have had and still do have my own fair share of addictions. I have also worked for many years in rehabilitation and support for youth substance abuse prevention. My parents have been together for 35+ years. I chose my profession, as did every model here; the life did not choose us.

The only *problem* I see here is a rampant hero complex. It's everywhere, not just with substance abuse suspicion but with the whole "oh, I need to save you from this horrible line of work that you are 'stuck' in". Oh, my glorious knight in shining armor, sweep me off my feet! We could psychoanalyze that, but that would kinda feel a little insulting, personal and finger-pointy, now wouldn't it?


In the end, you can't "save" someone who doesn't want to be saved. They need to want change.

If you are seriously concerned about specific models (or other people in your life that do have actual issues), have a private and serious conversation explaining how and why you are concerned and provide them with resources if they need them.

If you want to actively save people, go train to be an EMT. If you want to be entertained by models, watch them and enjoy the show. If you don't like the show, move on.

 

[IndicaDesires]

Additional questions to models on this topic? How does your drug/ alcohol use change when you are not camming/ on non-camming days?

And what about if you change hours? (Many people drink more after working nights for example, to help with sleep. Incidently this is a bad idea, it results in lighter, poorer sleep pattern, and it gets worse the more you do that.)

I go through patterns. Some months I drink almost daily. Never in excess. Typically no more than 3 drinks a day.

Some months I don't drink more than twice the entire month.

 

[Camgirl]

Parents only separated by death, after 25 years of marriage.

Also, I did drugs, a lot of em...BEFORE I was a cam model. When I was a kid/young adult. Now, I drink occasionally on the weekends.

Most people I know have a beer or two when they get home from work, and maybe party a bit on the weekends. I imagine if they did not have set hours those few beers might turn into more. Who knows. When you are broadcasting your life on cam for all to see it is easy for people to come up with theories about you. It doesn't mean they are fact.

Why not do a few polls on here regarding this....? You are talking about percentages and cam girls. This is a great place to get some data. Lots of camgirls....

ETA: Let's not forgot a good amount of camgirls are still quite young. I know when I was in my early twenties I was all about having fun and getting my crunk on. A lot of people seem to have a stage like this in their life. They aren't necessarily addicts. Binge drinkers, maybe...addicts, I am not so sure.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

My parent have been together 30+ years and I've never once seen them drunk or high, nerds. Just because you have a traditional upbringing doesn't mean you can't enjoy consuming copious amounts of drugs and alcohol.

 

[Joeternal]

There is a clear pattern here, at least with my own posts, of posting about a particular subject, and having cam girls jump all over some side comment, impute a bunch of motives and/or thoughts to me, and generally freak out about things I probably didn't even say.

More importantly, what seems clear is that if a cam girl does have a problem, other cam girls don't want it mentioned because it might make them look bad. That's unfortunate.

 

[SatanJonez]

My parent have been together 30+ years and I've never once seen them drunk or high, nerds. Just because you have a traditional upbringing doesn't mean you can't enjoy consuming copious amounts of drugs and alcohol.

 

[SatanJonez]

There is a clear pattern here, at least with my own posts, of posting about a particular subject, and having cam girls jump all over some side comment, impute a bunch of motives and/or thoughts to me, and generally freak out about things I probably didn't even say.

More importantly, what seems clear is that if a cam girl does have a problem, other cam girls don't want it mentioned because it might make them look bad. That's not helpful to anybody.

This translated to "I came out to have a good time and honestly I'm feeling so attacked right now."

 

[Ann_Sulu]

You said that you thought camming and substance abuse were related. We pretty much proved to you that it's more to do with stress. Yes, camming can be a stressful, but so can others with different yet still stressful jobs, which we have mentioned several times. I'm not offended so much as I just don't understand your tunnel vision ignoring the rest of the world.

 

[Joeternal]

There is a clear pattern here, at least with my own posts, of posting about a particular subject, and having cam girls jump all over some side comment, impute a bunch of motives and/or thoughts to me, and generally freak out about things I probably didn't even say.

More importantly, what seems clear is that if a cam girl does have a problem, other cam girls don't want it mentioned because it might make them look bad. That's not helpful to anybody.

This translated to "I came out to have a good time and honestly I'm feeling so attacked right now."

What I mean is that these are not things I said, but rather things that were pre-existing in the minds of the posters, who use me as an opportunity to vent because I failed in some small way to be "politically correct" and "stick with the script". To me certain things are objectively true, regardless of whatever value judgments or "stereotypes" people may attach to them.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Honestly, I think maybe you should stop trying to assume things about people with addictions period. Not just camgirls/sex workers. Yes, your post came off as rather offensive it sounding as if you were saying we all have one mindset. Everyone has a vice. SOME cammers drink, some do drugs, a lot don't. We come from all sorts of backgrounds.