Do you think camsites will ever decline in popularity?

[EmilyRay]

It's 1am and I'm in my deep thinking phase of the night lol so I apologise in advance for the terrible wording.

I was just thinking with the new VR headsets in Japan simulating sex, which is guatanteed to come to the West, and a lot of models lowering their rates to stay competitive (not sure if this is on a lot of sites, but its something Ive seen on SM a lot recently), do you think paying for camgirls will ever not be a thing?

Sorry if it's a bit depressing, I just thought it would be really interesting if in 50 years there's documentaries on the industry when it was thriving.

What do you guys think?

 

[Violet Dawn]

Honestly, no I do not think cam sites will decline in popularity. I think they're actually rising in popularity, it just doesn't feel that way because the raise in popularity also saturates the market because more girls are willing to do it. (Plus the population overall is increasing rapidly)

The thing with those VR headsets is they rely on porn to make the fantasy. If camming would die out because of that then it would have already died out because of places like porn hub. Porn and camming have a sort of whole different dynamic. If anything, I think the VR headsets have a chance of being applied to camming as well. I'm sure it will probably hurt girls who can't afford the headset, but then you still have members who also can't afford it.

Believe it or not, there are lots of men who still like the old fashioned way of things and still like real, fully interactive women. I don't think they will ever go away, so camming will always have a market no matter what.

 

[Guy]

It's 1am and I'm in my deep thinking phase of the night lol so I apologise in advance for the terrible wording.

I was just thinking with the new VR headsets in Japan simulating sex, which is guatanteed to come to the West, and a lot of models lowering their rates to stay competitive (not sure if this is on a lot of sites, but its something Ive seen on SM a lot recently), do you think paying for camgirls will ever not be a thing?

Sorry if it's a bit depressing, I just thought it would be really interesting if in 50 years there's documentaries on the industry when it was thriving.

What do you guys think?

Honestly, no I do not think cam sites will decline in popularity. I think they're actually rising in popularity, it just doesn't feel that way because the raise in popularity also saturates the market because more girls are willing to do it. (Plus the population overall is increasing rapidly)

The thing with those VR headsets is they rely on porn to make the fantasy. If camming would die out because of that then it would have already died out because of places like porn hub. Porn and camming have a sort of whole different dynamic. If anything, I think the VR headsets have a chance of being applied to camming as well. I'm sure it will probably hurt girls who can't afford the headset, but then you still have members who also can't afford it.

Believe it or not, there are lots of men who still like the old fashioned way of things and still like real, fully interactive women. I don't think they will ever go away, so camming will always have a market no matter what.

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[QuietLurker69]

Like any set of wages in the entertainment industry. Their is a big range between what the average can model makes, and the top 20 or 10 percent.

If the average cam model can't afford VR. I doubt the average viewer will be able. At some point computers where expensive as well. So VR prices will probably drop as well

 

[Sevrin]

Given the current climate in the West, I'd worry more about a clamp-down on internet-based adult content brought about by politicians cloaking themselves in righteousness than VR. Of course, we might also see MyTrumpCams. It could go either way.

 

[Frustrated]

Biggest thread in my eyes are advances in face recognition software. There might be a point where everyone on cam can immediately be identified. Being found out by some persons is something completely different from being found out by everyone.

 

[SMuser69]

Something better with eventually come along and replace camsites. The three industries that push technology more than anything else is Entertainment, Sex and Military. Film was replaced by video, VHS was replaces by DVD then by digital download. What I'm sure about is sites will change multiple times between now and then. I don't think sites like MFC, SM or Chaturbate(is there a shorthand for this yet?) will remain on top forever. There's probably someone already making a better mousetrap for all of us.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Personally, I do not buy this decline in popularity theory.For example, many people think that phone sex is dead but I still make a great living off doing mainly phone sex. Phone Sex never went away....it just changed into a more interactive profession. You see, all adult industry professions most adapt to suit the changing taste and times. Cam models will have to adapt to camming's changing climate. In fact, all sex workers must adapt the changing taste and technological advances of the 21st century. I am not worried but I will simply adapt as much as I can.

 

[Hypatia]

Such a big question! Sadly I doubt I'll be around in 50 years to actually know, but there are those currently making projections as to where the future is going, for instance --
http://Such a big question! Sadly I... http://futureofsex.net/future-of-sex-report/
http://futureofsex.net/future-of-sex-report/

Personally, just hope the trend is towards: more openness re: sex & less dominance of male customers (women like sex too & are willing to pay for expert/hot guidance!)

 

[Sevrin]

I predict that, in the future, people will still fuck.

 

[MojitosJourney]

I want a cam room that is virtual reality and you can see the members there in virtual reality too! I think that would be really cool and futuristic.

 

[Bobbie Madison]

Any kind of sex work would never die out. It would just evolve and during evolution some people will get left behind. But it's survival of the fittest. In 50 years there might be holographic camgirls cleaning members houses and bending over their knee to get a virtual spank. I do think however though, that over time, camgirls would be less taboo, the way divorce isn't so taboo anymore, and other things. There might even be college majors for it in 100 years because it's really entrepreneurial.

 

[EmiliaSong]

I think camming will evolve into something different. Over the past few years, models have been using sites like CB and MFC for selling clips as opposed to just being used for shows. There's also been an increase in social media sales that continues to make camming a more intimate, personal experience.

Sites come and go, and from what I've gathered, a lot of models aren't satisfied with Streamate anymore and have left for other sites (myself included). This may account for the pricing drop that you've seen. Also, as others have said, more models are getting into camming which can drive some models' rates down. But there are also more users signing up for sites.

The best thing that you can do is continue to build your skills and your brand. A lot of people drop out of camming after a few weeks or months, so while you may be competing with them for attention in the short term, sticking it out and being consistent will build your paying fanbase. Don't be afraid to raise your rates once you have a steady flow of regulars! If you do it gradually, most of your users will still pay and you'll continue to get more and more new people in your room.

There might even be college majors for it in 100 years because it's really entrepreneurial.

Wouldn't that be cool as fuck, though!

 

[pg240]

Camming as it exists today will be around, even if it develops into more of a niche slot in the industry. Many consumers gravitate to cam models as much for the sense of community and companionship as they do for the sex. That's particularly so for the MFC crowd.

 

[Lelo1]

Go watch CaiteRage shaker her ass on on cam4vr, Seriously it's like her butt is in your face. It's really amazing. Cameras like WebEyeVR is going to take this to the next level.

virtualrealporn is probable the gold standard for traditional VR porn. They have stereo 180 videos synced to lovesens. It's easy to try virtualrealporn because all it takes is smartphone.

I think sex 'video games' are going to open up a whole new door. If a model wants, they can never age, or get a boob job without needing surgery. Or do crazy things, Like being a night elf fapping in Stormwind. Virtual worlds means we might end up with virtual strip clubs.

@Bobbie Madison your future may be allot sooner then 50 years.

 

[Ambers Troll]

As population and the average wealth of those populations increases there will always be an increase in number of members using cam sites even should they decline in popularity. Those selling fantasy will always need some way to connect with those buying.

Having said that I do think, as they are now, they are on the decline, we are raising more sexually balanced individuals in recent years, leading to more vanilla cam shows, boring just doesn't sell as well. Perhaps the next generation will be wilder and more interesting, but I think not: I suspect it will return to something professional, where models will have a real talent for a particular fetish, especially if you want to sell that talent.

I don't know that it will be more realistic; some models may be completely artificial, but I suspect we could fairly guarantee more interactive, and all consuming for an experience. Technology will always be better, but sexy is still in the mind.
GF experiences may be harder to distinguish from many real world relationships, and as such may become quite a taboo fantasy to sell. As a taboo it may be one of the more profitable fantasies to sell though, locking up many people with fantasy addictions.

The decline of men as a relative proportion of the population will have massive effects on the fantasy industry, the industry will have to change to suit women increasingly. At least models will look even better than they do today.

A further comment on interactivity, it will take a special kind of model to be truly immersed in a member fantasy. I don't see many models wanting to do something that feels real. The technology may be there, but it would take serious reward for the model to 'prostitute' themselves in this position, for psychological security reasons it will always be to some degree fake.

Like any forecast, it's most likely wrong, but that's my best guess long term. I don't think there is anything short term to worry about.... there are years of camming fun left for member and model yet.

 

[DFT]

Like golf, it's hard to call a shot instantly. Troll, you have a vast perspective. I suspect camming is going the other way though, with camming tending toward normalcy, leaving the media to alarm everyone for another made up story as they do.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Actually, Ambers Troll, vanilla never sold as much as well fetish. Courtesans of the 18th and 19th century learn that and it is true today. As far as models being completely artificial, they have their place because the sex industry is based on fantasies and illusions. Some men still wanted that 1980s/1990s super glossy look and these models can cater to that. Girlfriend experiences has never nor will ever be taboo. Because most customers understand these are not their actual girlfriends and will not treat them as such. However, there will a huge need for models and other sex workers to cater to the more taboo fetishes. Particularly, many indie models will need to cater to some sort of fetish in order to make maximum income. I have seen this in the phone sex world, those who can not cater to some sort of fetish would be left behind. Or they would need to cater those into the Girlfriend experience to make maximum of money. I am sure that camming would follow suit

As population and the average wealth of those populations increases there will always be an increase in number of members using cam sites even should they decline in popularity. Those selling fantasy will always need some way to connect with those buying.

Having said that I do think, as they are now, they are on the decline, we are raising more sexually balanced individuals in recent years, leading to more vanilla cam shows, boring just doesn't sell as well. Perhaps the next generation will be wilder and more interesting, but I think not: I suspect it will return to something professional, where models will have a real talent for a particular fetish, especially if you want to sell that talent.

I don't know that it will be more realistic; some models may be completely artificial, but I suspect we could fairly guarantee more interactive, and all consuming for an experience. Technology will always be better, but sexy is still in the mind.
GF experiences may be harder to distinguish from many real world relationships, and as such may become quite a taboo fantasy to sell. As a taboo it may be one of the more profitable fantasies to sell though, locking up many people with fantasy addictions.

The decline of men as a relative proportion of the population will have massive effects on the fantasy industry, the industry will have to change to suit women increasingly. At least models will look even better than they do today.

A further comment on interactivity, it will take a special kind of model to be truly immersed in a member fantasy. I don't see many models wanting to do something that feels real. The technology may be there, but it would take serious reward for the model to 'prostitute' themselves in this position, for psychological security reasons it will always be to some degree fake.

Like any forecast, it's most likely wrong, but that's my best guess long term. I don't think there is anything short term to worry about.... there are years of camming fun left for member and model yet.

 

[Lelo1]

@Ambers Troll Right now people sell photos, videos, stream images of their body for profit. The next logical step might be selling 3d models of your body. The question is will people be comfortable selling 3d model? Photo or 3d model, they know people are buying their content for adult intertwinement. Is it that much different from say a porn star branded flashlight?

 

[Sevrin]

Is it that much different from say a porn star branded flashlight?[/USER]

I think the correct word is colonoscope.

 

[andreasky]

Camsite will come and go....just the girls....the guys will come and go....its like Las Vegas...you just have be ready when the dates comes when "your" site dies down and get unpopular...but the problem right is that like SM...has 1,000 sistersite so it hard find another site...all the site are really playing MAIN SITE then have SIDE site to get even more money cause they have make money to pay people/guys who put money up for the site....that how site dies when the site cant make money to pay the "guys" back...
CH and MFC pay more to the girls cause they dont buy alot of traffic...
SM is last couple years have BUY ALOT of traffic but the girls arent bring the guys at they used to....I went from $1000 weekly check to $50 weekly check...I might be "hater" but SM does play favorite somewhat...they have TRIED to change but if you look at that they first page for month you see the SAME GIRLS....some of them are STUDIO/PORNSTARS but take another look....so its HARDER find site that ARENT sisters to others....so its get hard just like in PORN industry it getting hard for the girls to stay there...that why you see girls that have done like 6 scene in porn leave and get on cam and make money there....i could be wrong....just my two cent

 

[Ambers Troll]

Girlfriend experiences has never nor will ever be taboo. Because most customers understand these are not their actual girlfriends and will not treat them as such.

I was predicting that in future it may become a taboo in contrast to many other fetishes becoming more mainstream. The reason being that more RL relationships and other experiences will be closer to the GF Experience, many a mixture of fake and realistic moments, some with people we may never actually meet in person. Selling that may be looked down upon, hence a future taboo. I am predicting the line between real and fantasy could be dangerously blurred without the inclusion of some social norms... some types of payed for interactions becoming taboo, GFE being one such interaction.
I actually find this a little sad as I like emotion risk in my camming, so it is by no means celebration on my part. I don't get the sense that my teenage nephew's generation would approve, chasing your own fetish they could respect but paying for 'catfish' they would not understand at all.

Selling a fetish will be fine as it is more clearly a fantasy. Fetish as you said, will always be just as highly profitable, whether it be a real model or some other created form or model.

Actually, Ambers Troll, vanilla never sold as much as well fetish. Courtesans of the 18th and 19th century learn that and it is true today.

As I suggested, professional fetish will be the future, the amateur cam situation we have now will change into something else, I suspect it is just a phase and on the decline longer term.

 

[Bobbie Madison]

Go watch CaiteRage shaker her ass on on cam4vr, Seriously it's like her butt is in your face. It's really amazing. Cameras like WebEyeVR is going to take this to the next level.

virtualrealporn is probable the gold standard for traditional VR porn. They have stereo 180 videos synced to lovesens. It's easy to try virtualrealporn because all it takes is smartphone.

I think sex 'video games' are going to open up a whole new door. If a model wants, they can never age, or get a boob job without needing surgery. Or do crazy things, Like being a night elf fapping in Stormwind. Virtual worlds means we might end up with virtual strip clubs.

@Bobbie Madison your future may be allot sooner then 50 years.

That's so awesome.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Actually, generation Y or millennials are more into the social media girlfriend experience than typical sex worker experience. Meanwhile, generation Z values the virtual girlfriend experience and will pay handsomely for such things. Actually, millennials and i-generation members feel more comfortable with paying a hot chick or guy for a week, month, or year to pretend online. As there is no time for many to have relationships. Plus, many people in this age group have too much on their plate.
For example, there are girls on fiverr selling facebook girlfriend packages and making 5000 to 7000 per month off these things. Meanwhile, Taobao is literal making Chinese virtual girlfriends into rich women with their girlfriend rentals. Often these girls are models, sex workers (escorts and other sex workers), cocktail waitresses, and ex-pop stars. China and Japan has lead the way with the virtual girlfriend experience. Meanwhile, many Russian, South American, and African part-time models are leading the way. After them, it is foreign dommes and phone sex operators leading the way. One German phone sex operator told me that she start selling facebook girlfriend packages to young soldiers because phone sex does not pay as well there as it does in the USA. Actually, RL relationships will never be close to the girlfriend experience at all. GFE will not become taboo but it will change.

I was predicting that in future it may become a taboo in contrast to many other fetishes becoming more mainstream. The reason being that more RL relationships and other experiences will be closer to the GF Experience, many a mixture of fake and realistic moments, some with people we may never actually meet in person. Selling that may be looked down upon, hence a future taboo. I am predicting the line between real and fantasy could be dangerously blurred without the inclusion of some social norms... some types of payed for interactions becoming taboo, GFE being one such interaction.
I actually find this a little sad as I like emotion risk in my camming, so it is by no means celebration on my part. I don't get the sense that my teenage nephew's generation would approve, chasing your own fetish they could respect but paying for 'catfish' they would not understand at all.

Selling a fetish will be fine as it is more clearly a fantasy. Fetish as you said, will always be just as highly profitable, whether it be a real model or some other created form or model.

As I suggested, professional fetish will be the future, the amateur cam situation we have now will change into something else, I suspect it is just a phase and on the decline longer term.

 

[Lelo1]

@DonaDiabla some of the people doing Facebook virtual girlfriends on are men. Seriously they just rip photos and videos from some one else social media account. It can even include 'personal' skype sex. Some times this really backfires too. Facebook virtual girlfriends can turn into blackmailers. Not just for the person who hired them, but also their friends. Who think they're a real person, legitimized by their social media connections.

As much as Facebook tries to verify people's identify. People can get in with a photoshopped drivers license.

the problem has gotten so bad. That Facebook has had to add a report blackmail feature. Just to report blackmail.

Meanwhile the military is warning people on both sides of virtual dating to watch out for online romance scams. Scammers are targeting military personnel. Scammers also pretend to be military on deployment.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Okay, what does your post have anything to do with the girlfriend experience or camsite decline? Again, I wish people stay on topic while talking about this subject. I was just talking about the grand scheme of the girlfriend experience as Amber's Troll's post address some of his problems with that issue. I was telling about the changes made to the girlfriend experience. You are talking about something else totally. I was talking about men buying these services from an agency or trusted model/phone sex operator. Fiverr and Taobao often check to see if there is any problems between models or clients. Plus, you do not know if these photos or videos are ripped from some else social media accounts?
That is just assumption.While, this happens...often times women/ men buy the content from adult agencies and used them. You do know that right? That you can buy content and create social media based around that "character". That is not catfishing if people is buying the service. In addition,people who buy "facebook girlfriend" services are the same type of men who buy phone sex. They are looking for a fantasy and/or impress their friends. So I am sure they understand there is a likelihood that facebook girlfriend is not what she seems.I do not know how you get romance scams from my post addressing "facebook girlfriend services"?. By the way, Romance scams has nothing to do with purchasing Facebook girlfriend packages. Now, it happens but that is not what I was addressing in my posts in this thread.

@DonaDiabla some of the people doing Facebook virtual girlfriends on are men. Seriously they just rip photos and videos from some one else social media account. It can even include 'personal' skype sex. Some times this really backfires too. Facebook virtual girlfriends can turn into blackmailers. Not just for the person who hired them, but also their friends. Who think they're a real person, legitimized by their social media connections.

As much as Facebook tries to verify people's identify. People can get in with a photoshopped drivers license.

the problem has gotten so bad. That Facebook has had to add a report blackmail feature. Just to report blackmail.

Meanwhile the military is warning people on both sides of virtual dating to watch out for online romance scams. Scammers are targeting military personnel. Scammers also pretend to be military on deployment.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Also, I wanted to address this post about selling 3d models. I already sell packages that include my second life and IMVU avatars. While, they are not quite 3d models...they are 2d creations of my phone sex characters and myself. Men interact with these "beings" as they do real women and I do not have any complaints about them. However, I do not allow men to use certain avatars to fullfilled more darker fantasies for a higher fee. Just know, you are correct about adult intertwinement It does happen in the virtual realm and it is a different experience than porn star flashlights. Frankly, it is just a matter of time before they become 3d models and I can sell them like sex robots to men.

@Ambers Troll Right now people sell photos, videos, stream images of their body for profit. The next logical step might be selling 3d models of your body. The question is will people be comfortable selling 3d model? Photo or 3d model, they know people are buying their content for adult intertwinement. Is it that much different from say a porn star branded flashlight?

 

[Bobbie Madison]

http://www.xbiz.com/news/vr/214951

Here's a link about Virtual Reality - the future of web camming a bit.

Overall, webcamming will not die. It was a curve ball thrown at the porn industry, but Hustler and Playboy are still good, and many girls are still doing porn. It just evolved over time.

But like any other physical labor, work hard now, save, save, save, and invest your money for the future.

 

[EllieGeorge]

@DonaDiabla some of the people doing Facebook virtual girlfriends on are men. Seriously they just rip photos and videos from some one else social media account. It can even include 'personal' skype sex. Some times this really backfires too. Facebook virtual girlfriends can turn into blackmailers. Not just for the person who hired them, but also their friends. Who think they're a real person, legitimized by their social media connections.

As much as Facebook tries to verify people's identify. People can get in with a photoshopped drivers license.

the problem has gotten so bad. That Facebook has had to add a report blackmail feature. Just to report blackmail.

Meanwhile the military is warning people on both sides of virtual dating to watch out for online romance scams. Scammers are targeting military personnel. Scammers also pretend to be military on deployment.

This must be new because we were never warned about online dating scams when I was in an I just got out in June. It also helps though because I can instantly tell who is faking being in the military.

 

[Bobbie Madison]

This must be new because we were never warned about online dating scams when I was in an I just got out in June. It also helps though because I can instantly tell who is faking being in the military.

I kind of worry about the GFE though. Not that it's bad but it would be bad on my end. Like what if I gave a guy my number for a certain amount of tokens for a certain period of time? Do I have to talk to him every single day? And what happens if I get tired of him? I can't just take that back right? That's why I'm so reluctant to give out Kik or things like that. I barely get back to people irl. And if I go ghost on a member, then I'm a bad model, I'm flakey and it would give me a bad reputation and put guys on edge when thinking about other girls in the future like, "I want the GFE, but that other model gave me her number and texted back once and stop taking my calls after 3 days." Same with SnapChat. I feel that if I sell it, I should be posting all the time.

I tried Kik and Snapchat when I first first started and it wasn't so good. I got a real troll on Kik (back then when I didn't know that you're not supposed to feed them) and it freaked me out. And then I also posted a pic and didn't even realize that people could see the street I was on. I stayed away from that ever since. But other girls know what they're doing. So that's good. I think I had to take a step back in this industry, do a little more research, and then take baby steps.