Deleting Snapchat after selling Forever Subscription

[AmberCutie]

I feel like this tweet sorta fits in this thread.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

I won't disagree it can be seen as "bad business" but sometimes getting flak for not honoring something like this is worth it, like in the case that Kate describes above.

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.

If I were to renegotiate on a deal I had made I would probably try and mitigate the fallout from it by offering an new deal for something else or give a refund, but where I live we have really strong consumer protection so this might be some cultural differences. Also if I buy a models Snapchat I wouldn't expect that it would entitle me to get to chat with the model on Snapchat. I have only bought Snapchat from two models and only chatted with one of them because she wrote to me first, so my views on this doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the average Snapchat buyer.

 

[Emberblaze]

If someone is being needy in snapchat chat don't feel obligated to keep them around.

The idea that I have to talk to someone everyday is why I barely fuck with snapchat. I have a free snapchat I almost never use and people ACTUALLY GET ANGRY WITH ME because I've ignored their messages and then show up in my cam room. People that have never spent a cent on me telling me I need to talk to them because I advertised having free snapchat on Twitter.

Ban anyone that doesn't respect your time. I don't care if they paid for lifetime snap. Warn them and ban if they continue.

If they quietly just watch your sexy snaps and occasionally comment just put them on a list that doesn't get more personal snaps.

Paying for snapchat should mean they get cute/sexy snaps and occasional contact with the model. Not a lifetime of emotional labour. This idea from mainly MFC members where models get to be their emotional dumping ground for next to nothing is bullshit and they are taking advantage of models. Don't put up with it.

 

[AmberCutie]

If I were to renegotiate on a deal I had made I would probably try and mitigate the fallout from it by offering an new deal for something else or give a refund

Yeah that would be smart.

At the end of the day, we are people with life happenings and with feelings, and sometimes protecting our feelings is the most important thing. It's a little different than dealing with a tangible product and needs to be considered as such. You buy a washing machine and purchase the warranty, but the warranty isn't honored? Fucked up and worthy of taking up complaint with the company.

We are not washing machines with a warranty.

 

[heybarkeep]

Can't really argue that it isn't a poor practice but I'd kinda expect to be deleted if I wasn't contributing in other ways. Zero experience with camgirl snapchats but that is just how things go in my opinion. Wouldn't be mad or feel ripped off. Snapchat has always been a drug resource or place for free nudes from attention seekers so I'm not really sure what is offered or expected from camgirls on there.

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm not really sure what is offered or expected from camgirls on there.

The way that I (and many models that I've followed on Snap) run it, it gives a little more personal look into my off-cam time and can create a better connection to my actual life. So if it starts to seem someone is taking advantage of that, it can feel really shitty.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

Yeah that would be smart.

At the end of the day, we are people with life happenings and with feelings, and sometimes protecting our feelings is the most important thing. It's a little different than dealing with a tangible product and needs to be considered as such. You buy a washing machine and purchase the warranty, but the warranty isn't honored? Fucked up and worthy of taking up complaint with the company.

We are not washing machines with a warranty.

No I understand cam girls are not washing machines, because cam girls are very likely out dirty underwear to people.

Jokes aside I don't think people should sell stuff they are not going to be able to honor. "Snapchat Forever! Access to my Snap story with daily nude pictures and videos. Screenshots are okay and you can send me whatever pics/video you'd like in return. I've already had this account for several years. When I say FOREVER, I mean it. =D" This is what @AwesomeKate has in the description for Snapchat Forever on her MFC Share as I am posting this. At the very least the description is misleading and should be changed considering what she has written earlier in this thread. My point is that we members and models should be honest to the best of our ability when dealing with each other so we can keep this form of entertainment that camming is to continue to be something we members can enjoy and you models can make money off.

 

[heybarkeep]

The way that I (and many models that I've followed on Snap) run it, it gives a little more personal look into my off-cam time and can create a better connection to my actual life. So if it starts to seem someone is taking advantage of that, it can feel really shitty.

Ah, yeah that does sound shitty. Can see it being too much work and hassle in the long run. Plus like, I'm sure many don't want things being too personal or delving into private life stuff too much. An unnecessary kerfuffle even. Kerfuffle is a pretty hilarious sounding word, going to use it more often.

 

[BiancaBaker]

If members can't understand that YOUR baby comes first they shouldn't be on your snapchat. Motherhood is hard especially with a newborn- I understand "forever" but I mean life happens, shit happens. You are not a robot so who cares if they get pissed? if a member cannot understand you have a life to take care of then they honestly are a terrible terrible person. Maybe re word It in your "forever" that you are expecting a life and members should understand that you now have a baby to take care of.. If they can't handle that = DELETE them.

Thats my 2 cents.

 

[TokenGesture]

"Snapchat forever" is such a seductive nebulous pitch, isn't it? Visions of a wizened old man, ninety years from now, hanging on for those four updates a day.

A short concise Snapchat menu setting out pricing, duration and any T&C's regarding ongoing room involvement / tipping would mimimize disputes and ill feeling.

 

[NoelleBright]

No I understand cam girls are not washing machines, because cam girls are very likely out dirty underwear to people.

Jokes aside I don't think people should sell stuff they are not going to be able to honor. "Snapchat Forever! Access to my Snap story with daily nude pictures and videos. Screenshots are okay and you can send me whatever pics/video you'd like in return. I've already had this account for several years. When I say FOREVER, I mean it. =D" This is what @AwesomeKate has in the description for Snapchat Forever on her MFC Share as I am posting this. At the very least the description is misleading and should be changed considering what she has written earlier in this thread. My point is that we members and models should be honest to the best of our ability when dealing with each other so we can keep this form of entertainment that camming is to continue to be something we members can enjoy and you models can make money off.

It would also be helpful for members to recognize that models are only humans with circumstances that may change.
Five years is a long time, especially in the cam world. It would have been impossible for her to predict that five years down the line not only would she still be camming, but that she would also need to be juggling being a new mother, live camming, and a snapchat subscription. It is totally unfair, unreasonable, and actually quite gross to not give her room to renegotiate her boundaries with such a big life change.

There are varying degrees on how shitty something like this is. A model starting a "snapchat forever" deal and then backing out of it 3 months later because she doesn't like it= pretty shitty. A model running a "snapchat forever" deal and making good on it for FIVE YEARS and then feeling the need to revisit the terms of it because she's literally creating a new life= not shitty at all.

 

[BiancaBaker]

To late for me to edit..

This is why I will NEVER be on MFC members are absolutely disgusting. It's crazy to me these replies from dudes.. Thank gosh for Streammate.

 

[heybarkeep]

If members can't understand that YOUR baby comes first they shouldn't be on your snapchat. Motherhood is hard especially with a newborn- I understand "forever" but I mean life happens, shit happens. You are not a robot so who cares if they get pissed? if a member cannot understand you have a life to take care of then they honestly are a terrible terrible person. Maybe re word It in your "forever" that you are expecting a life and members should understand that you now have a baby to take care of.. If they can't handle that = DELETE them.

Thats my 2 cents.

Some confusion seems to be going on here but I can't really see members or any sane individuals arguing otherwise. Obviously the kid comes first, that isn't really up for debate or what is being questioned here.

 

[heybarkeep]

To late for me to edit..

This is why I will NEVER be on MFC members are absolutely disgusting. It's crazy to me these replies from dudes.. Thank gosh for Streammate.

lmao I'm sure you will be missed.

 

[SMuser69]

What does everyone think about models who sell their Snapchat as 'Forever' and then delete people who don't continue to tip? What if she deleted you off of it because you hadn't tipped her in 6 months? One year? Two? Does it make a difference in how long it's been, in your opinion, or is it all equally bad business?

You are breaking a deal so accept your reputation will take a hit. You will have to repair some trust with some members. Just be professional about it and not play the victim card. You can't be a victim of your own creation.

Don't give excuses just apologies say you can't continue to maintain it and follow up with whatever next steps you have planned. The members AREN'T the bad guys here they bought what you sold them, getting upset with them is definitely the wrong attitude to have in this situation. Just make sure any future subscriptions are planned better and more transparent to the members to redeem yourself if any trust is lost.

Prove you're a professional or prove that you're not.

 

[AmberCutie]

People keep saying "tell people up front it comes with conditions" (of course in different words) but the whole premise of this thread is when a girl failed to do that up front and now wants to figure out a way to make it work. It's too late to go back and change the conditions. Forever was stated but cannot comfortably be honored going forward. The discussion is about the best way to go about dealing with it, and peoples' feelings on the situation.

Some confusion seems to be going on here but I can't really see members or any sane individuals arguing otherwise. Obviously the kid comes first, that isn't really up for debate or what is being questioned here.

Well a handful of people keep saying to honor the original deal. Which means they don't want to take the models reasoning into consideration.

 

[heybarkeep]

Which means they don't want to take the models reasoning into consideration.

I took the post as implying members will complain if the amount of snaps go down or if she takes a long break from it. Which would obviously be insane for members to get upset at if she does. My fault if taken the wrong way, didn't make much sense otherwise. Seems we are on the same page, just different perspectives.

 

[paige_orion]

I have a lot of random feelings & thoughts about this, so I apologize ahead of time if it comes out all rambly! I'm drinking morning coffee now, so sorting sleepy thoughts into words isn't the easiest! Also, if you see a ton of grammatical errors, just squint and pretend they aren't there, please!

I think one of the most important things to remember here is that most Snapchats sell intimacy. Intimacy in the form of getting a private look at a model's life, and even mooooore popular, intimacy in the form of sexualized/nude chats. The thing about sexuality is that consent can be revoked at any time, at any reason. This is true if a woman says she wants to have sex with a dude, starts making out, and changes her mind. This is true if a fssw gets paid by a client who gets too rough, and she feels it is safer to book it. This is the same if a cammodel gets paid for a show, and within two minutes, the customer starts pushing her boundaries and she cancels the show. Models are consenting to share their bodies with their members on a platform, and even though money changes hands, that does not mean them model loses her right to revoke her consent, should she choose to do so.

A customer's right to get their promised honored is NOT more important than the model's right to withdraw her consent at any time, ESPECIALLY when she feels like she is being taken advantage of. And it is also the customer's right not to continue supporting said model or never tipping her again. A customer has the right to make that decision for any reason. That's the awesome thing about consent, man. Models can revoke access to their bodies for any reason, members can revoke access to their tokens for any reason. You gotta do what is best for you, member or model.

When it comes to bad business practices... This is a tough one. Because that means you have to weigh two opposite factors and decide which is better for your business. From what you are saying, the people whom you wish to revoke but haven't yet - they are starting to affect your business already. You don't want to log in to SC and post things that might be more private, which makes it hard to post at all, which means everyone would be getting less snaps as a whole. Which is better for your business? Giving your loyal customers a better experience by posting more snaps, while enjoying the experience a lot more? Or honoring the promises made five years ago and dreading the use of SC, which means you avoid it entirely and everyone suffers? All for the sake of people who haven't supported or tipped you in aaaaages. It might be obvious which way I'd lean, but I'd think the loyal customers (and your own sake!) are more important than the people who haven't paid you in years. Sometimes, you can't please everyone - and trying to is going to make everyone enjoy it less. Sometimes, the best business practice you can do is to make a hard decision that will help you in the long run. Sometimes, cutting off a few current freeloaders can help give the better experience to everyone else, who actually supports your work, y'know?

Now, with that said... Do I think you should just go ahead and delete everyone who hasn't paid? Nope. The others are right - if you are going to make the decision, then there are more gracious ways to go about it. It may be easier to give everyone a month or two of warning and say something like, "Hey, my dudes. Next month, my current Lifetime Snapchat will be retiring and my new Premium Snapchat will be starting! It's almost exactly the same as the last one - except this will be reserved for my active and loyal followers! If you've tipped in the last X months, you're already going to be grandfathered in! All I ask is that you keep participating in my room! If someone disappears for X months, they'll risk being removed and have to purchase the snapchat again. But as long as you participate in my room, the SC is yours to enjoy! The new changes will start next month, so if you don't feel like buying a new subscription, no worries! Enjoy all of the delicious snaps until then!"

Offering to grandfather in people who have tipped X amount or just tipped at all in the last X months is a really good way to smooth any ruffled feathers of people who have still been active or active-ish. You can even offer a special discount for anyone who has paid ever. Like... Grandfather in anyone who bought SC in the past six months (but their Active Countdown starts then, and if they continue ghosting for the next X amount of months, delete them without worries), and offer like a 50% discount for everyone else. Then it's their choice whether to continue or not. This way, you're still cutting them a break and making it easier for them to join, while still giving everyone time to get used to the idea and get their money's worth, even should they decide not to renew. But more importantly, you're still doing what is best for you. But regardless, change your SC terms and conditions like immediately after you figure them out!

Honestly, you've given five years of almost daily content, I'm assuming. That's wild. Anyone who has bought your SC in the past month has probably gotten more than their money's worth! Anyone who has been enjoying your content for YEARS has definitely done so. If someone spent $20 five years ago, they've gotten 1,825 days worth of snaps. Even if you only snapped once a day (but most models seem to snap between 3-20 snaps a day).... They've definitely gotten $20 worth of content.

I don't think honoring an old promise to people who no longer support you is worth ruining your experience, both for yourself and for the loyal followers who do support your work. If these people are already affecting your ability to give the best content to your loyal supporters, then let 'em go. I think it's better business practice to put your supporters (and you) first. Change the way you run your SC in the future, give some discounts to those who already paid, and let yourself evolve! But definitely be clear about your expectations and terms going forward! But that's the cool thing about camming. It's all an evolution. When things don't work out, we switch things up. We try new things. We learn more efficient ways. We don't have to stick with anything broken or make ourselves miserable just to make a few current non-supportive members happy!

 

[AmberCutie]

When it comes to bad business practices... This is a tough one. Because that means you have to weigh two opposite factors and decide which is better for your business. From what you are saying, the people whom you wish to revoke but haven't yet - they are starting to affect your business already. You don't want to log in to SC and post things that might be more private, which makes it hard to post at all, which means everyone would be getting less snaps as a whole. Which is better for your business? Giving your loyal customers a better experience by posting more snaps, while enjoying the experience a lot more? Or honoring the promises made five years ago and dreading the use of SC, which means you avoid it entirely and everyone suffers? All for the sake of people who haven't supported or tipped you in aaaaages. It might be obvious which way I'd lean, but I'd think the loyal customers (and your own sake!) are more important than the people who haven't paid you in years. Sometimes, you can't please everyone - and trying to is going to make everyone enjoy it less. Sometimes, the best business practice you can do is to make a hard decision that will help you in the long run. Sometimes, cutting off a few current freeloaders can help give the better experience to everyone else, who actually supports your work, y'know?

Now, with that said... Do I think you should just go ahead and delete everyone who hasn't paid? Nope. The others are right - if you are going to make the decision, then there are more gracious ways to go about it. It may be easier to give everyone a month or two of warning and say something like, "Hey, my dudes. Next month, my current Lifetime Snapchat will be retiring and my new Premium Snapchat will be starting! It's almost exactly the same as the last one - except this will be reserved for my active and loyal followers! If you've tipped in the last X months, you're already going to be grandfathered in! All I ask is that you keep participating in my room! If someone disappears for X months, they'll risk being removed and have to purchase the snapchat again. But as long as you participate in my room, the SC is yours to enjoy! The new changes will start next month, so if you don't feel like buying a new subscription, no worries! Enjoy all of the delicious snaps until then!"

 

[Mila_]

Except for the members who got into her Snapchat 1 or 2 months ago, fuck refunds. They have enjoyed her Snaps.. 5 years is not forever but it's pretty damn close. That's like asking for a refund on a half eaten hamburger. Just no.

Jokes aside I don't think people should sell stuff they are not going to be able to honor. "Snapchat Forever! Access to my Snap story with daily nude pictures and videos. Screenshots are okay and you can send me whatever pics/video you'd like in return. I've already had this account for several years. When I say FOREVER, I mean it. =D" This is what @AwesomeKate has in the description for Snapchat Forever on her MFC Share as I am posting this. At the very least the description is misleading and should be changed considering what she has written earlier in this thread. My point is that we members and models should be honest to the best of our ability when dealing with each other so we can keep this form of entertainment that camming is to continue to be something we members can enjoy and you models can make money off.

I am sure she will rephrase her MFC Share offer when she comes to a decision on what to do about her Snapchat subscriptions. It would be silly to change it prematurely. That said... we are people. Our circumstances change, we change our minds about things all the time. I think if you paid $20 or $50 or even $100 for daily snaps and you have enjoyed this for one year or more, you got more than your money's worth of content. Some models sell their videos for 1000 tokens and that's 1 video.

To late for me to edit..

This is why I will NEVER be on MFC members are absolutely disgusting. It's crazy to me these replies from dudes.. Thank gosh for Streammate.

MFC members can be the worst when it comes to boundaries. They have no concept of boundaries, react poorly to them and feel entitled to your entire being and life for pocket change.

Now for all those of you saying "I will never tip her again" to be quite honest if a member hasn't visited you in 6 months it is highly unlikely that they will tip you again anyway, you lose nothing by removing them if their presence makes you uncomfortable.

 

[AwesomeKate]

Just want to make clear that I am not deleting MY Forever Snapchat or people off of it who haven't tipped in a while. I have another solution to my problem and that is to send baby-related photos/posts/rants to members that I consider close. Everyone else will still get the sexy content that they initially paid for, as the sexy stuff is not what bothers me to share. I was asking a general question about the practice and not asking for permission to do it myself.

It seems like models are more lenient when it comes to other models changing their terms. They are less likely to shame the act and I think it probably does come down to the fact that camming is oriented around sex acts performed for money, as multiple people mentioned before. In any other business transaction it would make sense for a Company to signal that they don't feel it's right and that they would never personally engage in such behavior. It's a testament to how different this industry operates that nearly all the Companies (Cam girls) are saying that rescinding a deal is fine and understandable. If Target started a loyalty program and then canceled people's supposed Lifetime memberships, I think Walmart wouldn't hesitate to name and shame them publically. Just interesting how this industry doesn't behave the way you'd expect it to, especially with so much financial incentive to do so? I have only noticed two top models who frequently shame other models' practices on their platform in order to garner support from members. For the most part I see cam models sticking together and supporting one another on all fronts and allowing each other a lot of moral wiggle room at the expense of consumer opinion. Why does the sexual nature of the industry make this phenomenon arise?

 

[Fatquack]

I wanna bet that there will be models who will still be active when snapchat goes under. Or they get bought by facebook and all nudity gets banned.

But I am an optimist, so I have 6 (or 7) lifetime subscriptions for the same model, so I am good for a few 100 years.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

It would also be helpful for members to recognize that models are only humans with circumstances that may change.
Five years is a long time, especially in the cam world. It would have been impossible for her to predict that five years down the line not only would she still be camming, but that she would also need to be juggling being a new mother, live camming, and a snapchat subscription. It is totally unfair, unreasonable, and actually quite gross to not give her room to renegotiate her boundaries with such a big life change.

There are varying degrees on how shitty something like this is. A model starting a "snapchat forever" deal and then backing out of it 3 months later because she doesn't like it= pretty shitty. A model running a "snapchat forever" deal and making good on it for FIVE YEARS and then feeling the need to revisit the terms of it because she's literally creating a new life= not shitty at all.

I am just saying don't promise stuff that you don't know if you will be able to deliver on in the first place, if people would do that situations like this wouldn't happen.

I have a lot of random feelings & thoughts about this, so I apologize ahead of time if it comes out all rambly! I'm drinking morning coffee now, so sorting sleepy thoughts into words isn't the easiest! Also, if you see a ton of grammatical errors, just squint and pretend they aren't there, please!

I think one of the most important things to remember here is that most Snapchats sell intimacy. Intimacy in the form of getting a private look at a model's life, and even mooooore popular, intimacy in the form of sexualized/nude chats. The thing about sexuality is that consent can be revoked at any time, at any reason. This is true if a woman says she wants to have sex with a dude, starts making out, and changes her mind. This is true if a fssw gets paid by a client who gets too rough, and she feels it is safer to book it. This is the same if a cammodel gets paid for a show, and within two minutes, the customer starts pushing her boundaries and she cancels the show. Models are consenting to share their bodies with their members on a platform, and even though money changes hands, that does not mean them model loses her right to revoke her consent, should she choose to do so.

A customer's right to get their promised honored is NOT more important than the model's right to withdraw her consent at any time, ESPECIALLY when she feels like she is being taken advantage of. And it is also the customer's right not to continue supporting said model or never tipping her again. A customer has the right to make that decision for any reason. That's the awesome thing about consent, man. Models can revoke access to their bodies for any reason, members can revoke access to their tokens for any reason. You gotta do what is best for you, member or model.

When it comes to bad business practices... This is a tough one. Because that means you have to weigh two opposite factors and decide which is better for your business. From what you are saying, the people whom you wish to revoke but haven't yet - they are starting to affect your business already. You don't want to log in to SC and post things that might be more private, which makes it hard to post at all, which means everyone would be getting less snaps as a whole. Which is better for your business? Giving your loyal customers a better experience by posting more snaps, while enjoying the experience a lot more? Or honoring the promises made five years ago and dreading the use of SC, which means you avoid it entirely and everyone suffers? All for the sake of people who haven't supported or tipped you in aaaaages. It might be obvious which way I'd lean, but I'd think the loyal customers (and your own sake!) are more important than the people who haven't paid you in years. Sometimes, you can't please everyone - and trying to is going to make everyone enjoy it less. Sometimes, the best business practice you can do is to make a hard decision that will help you in the long run. Sometimes, cutting off a few current freeloaders can help give the better experience to everyone else, who actually supports your work, y'know?

Now, with that said... Do I think you should just go ahead and delete everyone who hasn't paid? Nope. The others are right - if you are going to make the decision, then there are more gracious ways to go about it. It may be easier to give everyone a month or two of warning and say something like, "Hey, my dudes. Next month, my current Lifetime Snapchat will be retiring and my new Premium Snapchat will be starting! It's almost exactly the same as the last one - except this will be reserved for my active and loyal followers! If you've tipped in the last X months, you're already going to be grandfathered in! All I ask is that you keep participating in my room! If someone disappears for X months, they'll risk being removed and have to purchase the snapchat again. But as long as you participate in my room, the SC is yours to enjoy! The new changes will start next month, so if you don't feel like buying a new subscription, no worries! Enjoy all of the delicious snaps until then!"

Offering to grandfather in people who have tipped X amount or just tipped at all in the last X months is a really good way to smooth any ruffled feathers of people who have still been active or active-ish. You can even offer a special discount for anyone who has paid ever. Like... Grandfather in anyone who bought SC in the past six months (but their Active Countdown starts then, and if they continue ghosting for the next X amount of months, delete them without worries), and offer like a 50% discount for everyone else. Then it's their choice whether to continue or not. This way, you're still cutting them a break and making it easier for them to join, while still giving everyone time to get used to the idea and get their money's worth, even should they decide not to renew. But more importantly, you're still doing what is best for you. But regardless, change your SC terms and conditions like immediately after you figure them out!

Honestly, you've given five years of almost daily content, I'm assuming. That's wild. Anyone who has bought your SC in the past month has probably gotten more than their money's worth! Anyone who has been enjoying your content for YEARS has definitely done so. If someone spent $20 five years ago, they've gotten 1,825 days worth of snaps. Even if you only snapped once a day (but most models seem to snap between 3-20 snaps a day).... They've definitely gotten $20 worth of content.

I don't think honoring an old promise to people who no longer support you is worth ruining your experience, both for yourself and for the loyal followers who do support your work. If these people are already affecting your ability to give the best content to your loyal supporters, then let 'em go. I think it's better business practice to put your supporters (and you) first. Change the way you run your SC in the future, give some discounts to those who already paid, and let yourself evolve! But definitely be clear about your expectations and terms going forward! But that's the cool thing about camming. It's all an evolution. When things don't work out, we switch things up. We try new things. We learn more efficient ways. We don't have to stick with anything broken or make ourselves miserable just to make a few current non-supportive members happy!

A very well written and well thought out post, one of the best I have read on any forum.

Except for the members who got into her Snapchat 1 or 2 months ago, fuck refunds. They have enjoyed her Snaps.. 5 years is not forever but it's pretty damn close. That's like asking for a refund on a half eaten hamburger. Just no.

I am sure she will rephrase her MFC Share offer when she comes to a decision on what to do about her Snapchat subscriptions. It would be silly to change it prematurely. That said... we are people. Our circumstances change, we change our minds about things all the time. I think if you paid $20 or $50 or even $100 for daily snaps and you have enjoyed this for one year or more, you got more than your money's worth of content. Some models sell their videos for 1000 tokens and that's 1 video.

MFC members can be the worst when it comes to boundaries. They have no concept of boundaries, react poorly to them and feel entitled to your entire being and life for pocket change.

I think AwesomKate came up with a good solution, but I think models shouldn't offer forever or lifetime Snapchat. I agree some member are not good with boundaries. I think I am pretty good with them, but you will probably have to ask around and get more opinions on that.

 

[heybarkeep]

Any theories as to why MFC members seem to expect too much or have problems with boundaries in comparison to Chaturbate members? Simply the free in the name or maybe the atmosphere of the rooms? I get why it isn't a problem at Streamate, the chance of the problems arising aren't really there or as likely, but what is seemingly making Chaturbate members more respectful or easier to deal with?

 

[Mila_]

Any theories as to why MFC members seem to expect too much or have problems with boundaries in comparison to Chaturbate members? Simply the free in the name or maybe the atmosphere of the rooms? I get why it isn't a problem at Streamate, the chance of the problems arising aren't really there or as likely, but what is seemingly making Chaturbate members more respectful or easier to deal with?

I can write a 40,000 word paper on that but its probably more suited for Model’s Only.

 

[heybarkeep]

I can write a 40,000 word paper on that but its probably more suited for Model’s Only.

Got it and wouldn't ask or want any to say things they aren't comfortable saying in public. Plus like, while curious and I'm sure it would be interesting to read, I'd want the abridged version.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

It seems to me there are two elements of SnapChat, the Snaping and the Chatting. The Chatting definitely requires additional time on the part of camgirls. Telling somebody that them $50 they paid 2+ years ago doesn't entitle them to chat forever is perfectly fine and if they persist in doing so cutting them off after being warned once or twice or reasonable. I seldom use chat and 90% of the time is "cute cat" or sexy snap, which don't require a response. But the snapping something and putting into your story is completely scalable, it takes more time to remove someone who has not tipped in the last 2 years, than simply leaving them on the list. (I know one model who still adds her snap individually, but she is definitely the exception.)

It is perfectly reasonable for models to start separate snaps an add additional snaps for their true friends and supporters. Lifetimes snap doesn't entitle you to X number of snaps a week, unless you explicitly promise I snap a dozen times a day and then only snap 3 times a month.

On the other hand, I've learned the hard way that a lifetime is a very vague term. I have models decide that they didn't want to do Snap and stop snapping only to decide to start again months later or in Kate's case a couple of years later and start reselling their lifetime snaps. I have also had a model get pissed when somebody uploaded their SnapChat pics to a pirate site. So she canceled everybody SnapChat and resold them, I've also had models decide that SnapChat banning their account was a perfectly good excuse to resell their lifetime snaps again. (I only had free month so no big loss for me.). I'd also argue that SnapChat is excellent advertising, there are lots of models I no longer visit the ones who's SnapChat I have are pretty much the only ones I occasionally tip or buy a video, when I see a particularly good snap.

It's a testament to how different this industry operates that nearly all the Companies (Cam girls) are saying that rescinding a deal is fine and understandable. If Target started a loyalty program and then canceled people's supposed Lifetime memberships, I think Walmart wouldn't hesitate to name and shame them publically. Just interesting how this industry doesn't behave the way you'd expect it to, especially with so much financial incentive to do so? I have only noticed two top models who frequently shame other models' practices on their platform in order to garner support from members.

IMO,, none of these are acceptable business practices, by any common sense definition lifetime SnapChat, means as long as you are camming he/she gets pictures. But I've stopped being overly pissed off or trying to fight it. There are two reasons sex work has a stigma attached to it. The sex is obviously a big factor for many, but the shady business practices which are endemic to the industry are a big part.
I've been more ripped off and cheated more by people in the sex industry than by all other businesses combined. The stuff camgirls do is pretty well documented every week on ACF. I think camgirls are no worse and possibly better than the rest of the industry. I'm also talking about the camsite that sign you up for a bogus dating site, unless you carefully read the fine print. The zillions of other "free" porn sites that do the same thing. (One of the reasons that MFC no credit card requirement is so popular, is you know if I don't give my credit card # I can't get ripped off.) The porn sites who make you call an international 900# to cancel.

While I've not experienced the following, I've heard many stories. Photographers who think their model fee includes sex with the model, a director who insists girls do (e.g. anal) more than they signed up for, prostitutes and/or pimps who steal customer wallets and/or identities etc. Anyway, I am not surprised to see the response Kate got.

 

[Mila_]

Got it and wouldn't ask or want any to say things they aren't comfortable saying in public. Plus like, while curious and I'm sure it would be interesting to read, I'd want the abridged version.

The abridged version is this:

1) MFC as a platform encourages constant contact with members through IM and MFC mail. On CB there isn’t even a friends list feature.

2) MFC encourages model competition through camscore and Miss MFC. This makes models up the ante constantly and undercut each other to gain an edge. These practices hurt the site’s culture by training members to expect a million things in exchange for their meager contributions. When you run out of things to sell you start selling the experience of an emotional connection. On CB there is no competition mindset. The fact that the site allows amateurs makes the members expect less of a “professional” presentation and tip for goals and games more than for content.

3) Sites have a life cycle too. When the site is new there are few models and few members. Models need to do a lot of explicit things to earn tokens. They are willing to do more than models on established sites so the new site starts earning traction. Once there is a lot of members models can get away with doing more social and less explicit activities and the tokens just flow, this attracts more models who join the site, once there are enough models the scale starts to tip in favor of the users in the sense that there are 15 models that “do it” for you online so you can simply jump from one room to another never really getting involved or tipping in their rooms because you don’t care if the show happens, there are other 14 doing what you like to see. Members also age as users and wise up learning that a show is something you tip for and enjoy in the moment but once it’s over your tokens are gone and you have nothing to show for it, you learn to save your tokens for individual gratification. Models then need to come up with new ways to make members engage like games and content. This is where Chaturbate is today. MFC is one or two steps further down the line where the pool of members has aged and there isn’t a big influx of new members, those who get to the site learn the culture laid down by that existing pool of members who because (1) and (2) teach the new members to expect the sun the moon and the stars for 300 tokens. The last phase is when members leave and models need to do super explicit things again just to earn a decent amount and models then leave to greener pastures.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Just leaving this note here.. years ago I had to go back on a forever promise to my members. In that situation (it was only a few) i explained why I was doing this offered a credit for the amount.

I don't know if this would be viable in every situation but I thought I'd leave it here because it worked well for mw

 

[Slapstick]

I was going to say that if you offered a "Snapchat Forever" deal then it's forever... but then I remembered that Sprint has an "iPhone Forever" plan; you can get a new iPhone every year FOREVER... as long as you are a subscriber...

I wonder sometimes whose lifetime the term is referring to. Is it mine? Hers?

If you buy a product that comes with a "Lifetime Warranty" and read the fine print you will see that the warranty applies for "the lifetime of the product"... typically 2-5 years.