Re: A "MUST READ" for ALL chatters
Hello all:
I was informed about this website, esp. this thread, by Caireen after having a conversation with her regarding model/chatter relationships just the other day (I’ve forgotten if it was Tuesday or Wednesday). At any rate, I find everyone’s input intriguing (some reflective more than others) due to the fact that I’ve been apart of the porn chat world for… how many years has it been now? Oh, somewhere near a good 14+ yrs. FUCK!
This is gonna make me look like a sexually-addictive troll! Ah, well -- I am who I am! *beaming, unashamed wide-eyed grin* Note: I didn’t adhere to xxx-website rules in the mid ‘90s as I started chatting on them when I was 16, so that fact should be counted in my favor. *giggling and blushing from embarrassed excitement as I remember the good old days of dial-up internet-provided porn, and being a bad boy who should have been punished for visiting the sites using school computers* Anywho…hehe…I, too, would like to contribute my two cents and bump this thread for refreshing contributions.
In order to establish my “credibility,” for lack of a better term, on the subject, allow me to provide you all with some personal chatting history and dating experience forged during said history. All of my exes I met thru chat sites; and yes, all three were modeling when I first met them. Maybe it was naiveté on their parts, personal conduct on my part, the way I chatted with them whenever I was in their room, DEFINITELY! some luck in my favor, or just the fact that most women seem to like the sound of my voice (and hearing from them that I’m cute soon afterwards surely provides a confidence boost, too) -- I’m not sure as I’d never asked any of them what it was that made them choose to allow me to pursue them over the next chatter. But being in a position where my only amorous relationships have been with the aid of porn chat sites, I like to think that I am knowledgeable -- definitely not skilled, given the first of my two signature quotes below applies to me thru & thru….unfortunately :-( Now, you’re probably wondering if I’m some sort of recluse or overly-shy geek who is sexually repressed. I am and I’m not. Yes, I
was a recluse, but not because I chose to be but rather because it was my only option when not being talked to outside of academic or business environments as a teenager & in my early- & mid-twenties. And, yes I
am shy and sexually repressed (in its action form), but only because I have always been shy -- since being a toddler, I’m told -- and the repression due to the reclusion. However, all of these variables both drove and allowed me to study the common traits and similarities of women regarding sex in all its forms and what they like to receive in & from a sexual experience. My first relationship began and ended after I received some
invaluable advice from an older and more seasoned chatter at the time – some of you may have even chatted with him yourself if you’ve been chatting for a long time, EvilBastard (referred top as “EB,” hereafter). After receiving his advice, which I’ll share in-part later in this post, forever changed the way I communicate with models, specifically, but women as a whole. However, please note now that it is advice
partially contradicting what AmberCutie & the other models claim would be their requirements for pursuing a relationship with a chatter; but, that too, I intend to discuss. Lastly, I’m willing to share these tips & tricks which used to be kept under a lead tongue having been revealed to only one other person by me, because my last relationship, which ended on less than appealing or amicable terms, I have been jaded and resistant towards starting and pursuing any type of affectionate relationship that would move offlline. So, chatters: enjoy and continue with an attitude of inquisitive wonder; models: please carry on with a pov of questioning analysis and doubtful confirmation, but please resist the urge to blow off my claims until the end.
In the beginning, prior to this life changing advice I received, I was the model chatter all of our beauties here are
claiming would be the standard imposed before ever considering meeting a fan face2face –
AmberCutie said:
The circumstances would have to be:
Someone who is around in my MFC room a LOT
Doesn't spend a lot of time in other girls' rooms (so I feel some sense of loyalty and honesty)
Exchanged personal emails and talked outside of MFC a little bit
Seen a picture (or better yet watched his camera to see what he looks like)
And it would definitely depend on the kind of humor/conversation we have inside and outside of MFC.
When I would find a model I liked and had the hope of dating one day, I would be faithful and dedicated to her whenever she was online staying in her room whenever I saw that she was online, staying planted even if she went on prolonged breaks while leaving her room open, and not departing until she logged off. Formerly, I thought that this would flatter her and make her take notice of my dedication. Of course, I would visit and get shows with other models when she wasn’t online, even during my first relationship which started with a girl who was on F4F (I can’t remember her online persona atm, but it was
Tiffany-something-or-other[the last name had a ‘
xxx’ in it]). The hook is I would keep these “outside” visits a secret not telling other models I was having them when asked if I chatted with other girls, thinking ignorantly that models only
worked on the site -- they never spied in others’ rooms or perved themselves. Again, I was a teenager or young adult
male at this time, so in my defense I claim the double-whammy of moronic stupidity! (You women know 99.999% of guys lose 99.99…% of all brain function when they’re horny since most of the blood rushes to the lil head:lol
So because I would make the mistake of thinking I could cover up a lie with a falsity, sooner or later I would be found out by the models (yes, models plural) I was hoping to be able to court and start dating someday (I am still old fashioned in some areas when it comes to my ideals about dating and marriage *blushing slightly*). Ultimately, a
form of this type of deception is what brought an end to my first real-world relationship with a cam girl: I was in the process of bringing her & her friend (her friend for my exes benefit and state-of-mind) down to Chicago so we all could spend some time together in Orlando, FL., since that was one of my exes favorite destinations. I say “form” because she had transferred from F4F (just going to use site acronyms or nicknames to avoid the risk of sending chatters away from MFC, and, thus, potentially $$ for the beauties posting here) a few months prior where, at the time, F4F was constricted to a single Canadian studio so she new and spoke with all the models -- hence, being able to keep tabs on my activity -- to Peeks that was a site with studios around the world; and thus, discovered me chatting and, here’s the key,
schmoozing a girl the same way I had her in the beginning thinking I was trying to do the same with the new girl as I had with her. In retrospect and her defense, I guess there was a fraction of me that was trying to look more appealing than the other chatters to the other girl; but, that’s a moot point by now.
It was while chatting with this other model (who I was soon to discover was preying on my ignorance, and had been taking advantage of that ignorance since the first day I begin chatting with her) that I met EB and formed an online friendship. Little did I know, but would soon discover, he was the sensei, sifu, master (take your pick) to me being an apprentice on the verge of beginning my 2 year-long research period of knowing how properly to chat with models and not be taken advantage of, as so many disillusioned chatters are, with the option of pulling subliminal strings in ways to make models think about me more than the average chatter. You’re probably rolling your eyes at this and thinking I’m full of hot air. I’m fine with you jumping to that conclusion if you so choose; but for your own benefit or full disapproval, please continue to read my post with an open mind to the end and then pose whatever disagreement(s) you may have.
After a fallout between EB and the model, in a burst of rage directed towards her, he revealed to me the nature and expansion of their true relationship offline along with tricks and tips to use to test models and learn their true intentions: whether or not they’re potential relationship material, real-world fuck candidates (a.k.a. FWBs), or probable scam whores.
NOTE: Models, please read all I am about to say with analytical eyes void of any emotion because my intent in sharing any of this is
NOT to anger anyone (model nor chatter) but merely provide “methods,” if you will, to help my fellow chatters know if he’s being played -- thus saving himself from future and inevitable heartache and a loss of morale -- or if the girl he wants to get with is genuine in the claims she makes regarding pursuing a relationship.
Tips & tricks:
1) From the start or asap, let the model know that she is
not the only girl you talk to or get shows with.
ADVANTAGE: Honesty and truthfulness is established on your end from the start (she will continue to deceive or not share information [if she’s nice enough to do the later]), and she cannot try to cock block you or try to place a guilt trip on you by saying she saw you chatting with another girl but thought you were
different, and guesses she was wrong;
2)
AmberCutie said:
Someone who is around in my MFC room a LOT
Doesn't spend a lot of time in other girls' rooms (so I feel some sense of loyalty and honesty)
Contrary to what our beauties are “claiming” here by saying that they would want/require loyalty, spend ample time in other models rooms, too. To AmberCutie’s benefit, yes! I agree that you should spend as much time as you can in the girl’s room who you want to get with, but the purpose of spending a moderate amount of time in other girls’ rooms is to develop alternative plans (i.e. Plans B, C, D, etc.) to have on back-up in the event that plan A should fall thru the cracks.
ADVANTAGE: a) The above statement of having back-ups that you can already have up&running in the event the first girl of your choice turns out to be a dud or the magic you thought was apparent really isn’t; and, b) ADMIT IT, GIRLS! you get jealous/envious, just like we guys do, when you see a guy you want as your own flirting and chatting up another girl wishing it were you, or in the very least start getting possessive, even if just a little. So, the benefit is that
when the girl of your choice sees you chatting with another model (it’s inevitable because models perv and/or stay idle in others’ rooms for a multitude of reasons that I’m not going to get into because of the length of this post already *facepalm* sorry, but I want to be thorough the 1st time through) she’ll know that you have options, will want you all to herself
if she’s genuine and on the market, and will pay more attention to you and do more things for you to keep you happy, around, and coming back;
3)
Controversial, so apply at your own risk :lol:: During the initial fazes of trying to capture special attention and seniority in her room, tell the model that you’re getting the show for her, not yourself.
My addition: only get shows when she is visibly horny, even to the point of being sexually frustrated (hopefully, you can identify the visible, verbal, and tonal differences between these two states of sexual intrigue), and let her do what she wants to do when she asks you what you want to see. Tell her that you’re getting the show for her and her alone, so you’re sole purpose is allowing her the opportunity to cum and seeing her with that beautiful smile that lights up the room. I guarantee you this line will make her heart melt and draw her that much closer to wanting to know (both personally and biblically) the “real” you, if it doesn’t instantly push her over the edge.
ADVANTAGE: This will both flatter her & give her a greater sense of freedom to cum the way she wants to cum atm. Let’s be frank (ladies, you can be Jenny *ba-dum-CHING*).:lol: Corny and stupid joke -- sorry! *facepalm* Who doesn’t like to be flattered, and who knows a woman’s body better than herself? Besides, I’m almost certain that if you allow a woman to cum the way she wants to cum and w/o the restriction of having to continually be watching the screen every second to ensure that she’s doing what you want to see and making you happy, she’ll cum in a faster time and more enjoyable way
for the both of you than she would otherwise simply because she’s more relaxed. And, what person doesn’t have more enjoyable sex/masturbation when they’re relaxed and void of tension?
NOTE: The following are tricks I picked up and developed on my own during my self-study --
4) Treat AND talk to ALL! models like you would any woman in real life if you were beaming with confidence and know you were the perfect match for her. The optimum word here is:
confidence, not “cockiness” -- which you hopefully know are two ENTIRELY and EXTREMELY different qualities. I suggest listening to Bryan Adams’, Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman:
To gain a greater sense of what I’m talking about in this model; and, remember to resist any urges to confess your undying love for her :lol: (you hopefully know not to do this w/o needing me to tell you), not make the mistake 40+% of chatters make and ask her if she will marry you even if you think she will know you are just joking around, and whenever and wherever possible use the mistakes and errors other chatters make when chatting in public to your advantage by making light of the situation and cracking jokes, usually at the expense of the other chatter, and keeping her smiling. This last part is big because, just like in real life, 98% of women, maybe more, want a guy who can make them laugh. So, being able to turn an annoying situation filled with begging & demanding chatters into a humorous & joyful comedy-type hour will rack up the brownie points in your favor quicker than the continual bell-ringing of slot machines in a Vegas casino. Just be sure not to make the jokes at the expense of one of her other premiums because doing so will only create a contentious & possibly detrimental situation.
ADVANTAGE: Probably being 20+, hopefully you know by now that women are
extremely attracted to self-confident men, but esp. those who still have an air of boyishness within them. Why? Women tend to lack confidence themselves
when it comes to dating during the initial phases. (HA! Y’all girls thought you were gonna get an open door to get at me and start your rebuttal, didn’t you?! :lol:
) This is the main reason why women
very rarely! ask the guy they find cute/hot/what-have-you out on a date, rather waiting & hoping for him to step up to the plate and take the initiative – not too mention the fact that women are always comparing themselves to one another internally and thus already feel overly self-conscious about themselves & their looks. And, why maintain a little boyishness?
All women are intrinsically created/born with the desire to nurture and care for, no matter whether they have a baby, be a mother, or not. So having an air of
cute-boyishness in you will feed this part of her psyche and make you more desirable in her eyes without conscience knowledge of why. In other words, you’ll be on her mind more-often-than-not when she’s not online [if she’s a cam-girl], and frustrating her when you’re not in her room spending time with her when she is. My suggestion is to be goofy, rather than needy. I never have tested this theory, but I’d assume that being needy is separated by a thin line from aggravating; so if you’re trying to win over a cam model but appear needy…. You can piece the rest of that sentence together. Needless to say it’s a recipe for disaster just waiting to made at some future date.
5) Perfect your story-telling abilities. On the whole, girls are much more mental than we guys. While guys tend to be more visual and driven by sight, women are fueled more by how a guy is able to speak to them than they are by his looks. This is probably another reason for why the man was created to pursue the woman: we are motivated by how they look, and they are, in turn, receptive primarily to how we talk to them -- the probable reason for the occurrence of the geek winning over the super model, occasionally. Notice the use of “geek” here, as supposed to “nerd”. So if you can speak to her mind and stimulate her intellectual arousal, you’ll get a head start in the race towards her Favorite’s podium.
ADVANTAGE: Sex for women is like sports for men -- it's a whole body experience and it stays with them for days after it’s happened. Being mental creatures, if you’re able to recite a good story to her with the incorporation of most, or all, her senses in the description of the story, she will literally be able to experience it in her mind and it will nearly be as if it really happened. The only thing that will have been absent is your physical form.
For example: Imagine me taking your left hand in my right, and gripping it with a firm yet delicate touch as I lead you blind-folded down the corridor that I’ve scented with the aroma of jasmine & lilac towards a room filled with white rose petals that I’ve sprinkled strategically over the path I intend to lead you toward the bed. (4 out of the 5 senses touched on in just the one sentence.)
6) Realize that you are trying to win her over at her
place of work: not at a socializing event, not during her downtime, but at work. So, however much possible, show/fake concern for her success and offer advice to her wherever possible that would both help her to excel in getting more tips & shows and make you appear more beneficial in getting close to.
tubby556 said:
Heart, real women don't give a shit about money, houses, cars, jewelry, all that. The women that do aren't worth your time and effort. Focus on real women. They cherish you for you.
There are a lot of models here on the forum, as well as MFC, that are real women for sure. Just about every model from this forum I've visited (few of you are hard to track down) won't mind if you hang out like a bum and just talk. They aren't here for just the money.
You and the other guys here that act like gentlemen are what keeps things alive.
Yes, and no -- while this is true, remember what I just said and keep in mind that money rules this world and using it opens doors quicker than trying to schmooze your way thru a door cracked open does. So, while you don’t “need” money to potentially win a girl over, it will help your chances considerably, esp. with a cam girl; and make the time-frame of your efforts less.
ADVANTAGE: When girls are “no holds barred” 100% honest, most will admit that the guy with money will have a better chance of getting them than the guy without, all else being equal. So having the money to spend on the girl will open the door of her interest faster because all cam girls pay attention to their customers, how much more-so their regulars, if just to keep them happy, returning, and buying. In Vegas terms: it’s a fish compared to a whale in the house’s eyes.
7) Lastly, when you first “meet” a model, spend some time in her room, an ample amount, and just stay idle doing some “recon” research. Study the mood of her chat room, the way she talks with her chatters, and how she manages her room.
ADVANTAGE: I cannot say enough about initial reconnaissance to give it the credit it’s deserving of, and how much having the habit now of unconsciously doing this helps me still. Doing this type of study from the start will grant you easier access and ability to jumping in line right behind her favorite chatters and occasionally ahead of her not-so-welcoming regulars; when you begin chatting with her, you will instantly know what types of questions to ask, when to ask what, and what types of mannerisms/body actions to look for to know what type of mood she’s in (e.g. playful, giddy, annoyed, po’d, tired, etc.); and, at the times that you detect she may be getting annoyed and/or tired of working albeit no longer fun, you will be able to step in and provide a helping hand, thus allowing her to relax and rest more easing some of her mental fatigue. Even though I’m no longer chasing online skirts, because I’ve done this step for so long, I’m able to do so automatically, unconsciously, and almost instantaneously. And I believe if anyone who dedicates themselves to the practice of doing this initial investigation, can get to the point of it being automatic, too. Also, studying the model before chasing after her can potentially save you significant amounts of money, headache, and stress, if you are to discover that the personality behind the pretty face and/or tight body don’t appeal to you the way you initially thought the hot body would.
NOTE: This type of “study”/analysis will be harder for some than others due to people’s mental make-up. I suspect it will be easier for those who are more sensing than intuitive (if you’ve ever taken a Myers-Briggs test, hopefully you understand my reference), but both traits will help in this aim: no matter whether S or I.
Now, I am by
no means saying that these guidelines will work on every model or win over the most cunning models. All that I am attesting to is it will both better your chances and decrease the amount of time & money (of which I’ve spent tens of thousands by now) it takes you to be “seen” and recognized by the model(s) of your choosing. Also, note that not all models are truthful about their offline relationship status for the purpose of making more money. And ever since taking the stance I know have about starting a relationship with a cam girl, I’m even often giving the advice and viewpoints from the male chatters side of the court to models I frequent and have become friends with to help them earn more and make their online job more profit boosting for their bank account. Ultimately, it is because of this untruthfulness that the added benefit to doing a little idle recon and usefulness for knowing a bit about the girl you want to win over before ever even talking to her for the first time is gained.
Here’s to your future study & pursuit in becoming an online and/or real-world playa: Cheers! :beer: :handgestures-fingerscrossed:
P.S. Freq, how'd your date/mtg go? I'm sure all contributors to this thread would be intrigued with the developments.
