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Weirdly, I just had this conversation with a girlfriend in RL less than 48 hours ago and WONDERED while it was happening what the forum girls would have thought about the discussion lol.

We were out at a loungey-pub-type establishment that recently opened and she was getting practically frothy at the mouth with (what I perceived as) irrationally, viciously judging every other woman who happened to come within 20 feet of us. The conversation originally started when a girl (probably 19 or 20) walked by with the most horrific, misguided snooki bump I've ever seen. She obviously had the back-coming/flat ironing part of the project sorted out but either forgot to smooth over the bump or had been having a good time that night and her smoothed-out part just disappeared and left her with this crazy evil looking tangled mess of bad-times at the top of her cranium.

She looked UTTERLY ridiculous, I mean - I wanted to take a picture of it and upload it to FailBlog with the caption, "Back combing gone wrong, horribly, horribly wrong". That's what I wanted to do, but I would never actually do that- it's just a funny thing to contemplate. I wasn't even going to mention how ridiculous she looked to my girlfriend because I knew from the instant I had the "funny thought" that it was actually kind of mean and at the end of the day the greater tragedy was that none of Misguided-Snooki-Bump's friends or family apparently loved her enough to tell her how stupid she looked.

I went from, "ZOMG LOOK AT THAT DUMB BITCH" to "zomg, I would fucking hope someone who cared about me would tell me if I ever looked like that." and in less than 3 seconds I resolved to just not-fuckin-mention-it-outloud.

But my girlfriend had the opposite reaction, she immediately launched into what a SLUT that girl was. She just blurted out, "What a fucking slut" and I was all like, "what? where! show me! I love sluts!" and she started going on-and-on-and-on about what a WHORE this girl was. My friends reasons for why this girl was "trashy" were:
a.) she has tragically unfortunate hair, ergo must be trashy
b.) she's wearing knee high boots with such a high heel that she can't quite walk right, and a mini skirt, ergo must be trashy
c.) she's wearing too much makeup, ergo must be trashy
d.) she's wearing a low cut top, ergo must be trashy

But I saw something completely different, I saw a girl who looked TERRIFIED. Snooki-bump was funny looking from the back but utterly tragic from the front when you saw her eyes and how she held herself and how she didn't even know where to put her hands. YES, I suppose she was dressed kind of slutty but this chick was SO UNCOMFORTABLE in her own skin that she couldn't pull off "trashy" if she tried.

She was literally frozen, eyes darting around, pretending to be part of conversations with people around her while she looked utterly freaked out. She didn't have the kind of confidence necessary to even begin to be trashy. She couldn't deal with her own self, she probably spent hours perfecting that "slutty look" but you could tell she wanted to shoot herself in the face because her inner confidence was shite and she looked like she was going to throw up from stress at any minute. I felt AWFUL for her, I just wanted to go up and give her a hug (and a sweater perhaps)

So yeah, I don't think the outfit defines the trashiness level at all - trashiness is a state of mind, if this girl had been stumbling around being loud and irritating and obnoxious I might have thought, "probably kind of trashy" but she was... "victim-ey" :( If she had been wearing a bulky turtleneck and sweatpants and clogs but was still stumbling around being loud and obnoxious I would have thought, "probably kind of trashy." I wouldn't necessary suggest I perceived this broken little bird to be "classy" but despite her outfit I would definitely not say TRASHY, tragic would be more appropriate.
 
I don't think I can define classy well, but I can definitely define trashy.

I consider trashy to be less of an appearance thing than it is social attitude. It is to whine/gossip/moan at everything, to be highly (pre)judgemental, and to hold the belief that they're morally superior to everyone else. In addition to that, they feel entitled to everything that everyone else achieved/earned, and can't be satisfied with what they've already got. They believe that they deserve it, although they put no effort in their lives.

In terms of appearance - they tend to be highly promiscuous, who would flirt with anything that moves, and typically over-use makeup, fake eyelashes, etc. Presumably, they are unsatisfied with their own appearance, perhaps due to poor self-esteem or self-confidence, thus they present a version of themselves which could only be described as a façade.

They're proud of their creation, blissfully unaware of their true beauty lying deep within. They may lack a social status, so they try to fit in, but they don't - so they develop their own sense of style, taste, and fashion. They may be rebellious, defiant youngsters who believes the world owes them something.

It's not just an attitude - it's a lifestyle.

I think GrapplingIgnorance had described it pretty well here:



I realise that some of the description touches base on model behaviour, but this is to a completely different scale/level, so please don't confuse this to a bash on models who obviously work hard to maintain their appearance.

EDIT - Interesting, LovelyLemon. It seems that we agree on what defines trashy, although I didn't read the post before I've written this one. <.<
 
Classy = confidence, manners, and wit.

Trashy = speaks/acts stupidly, no sense of decorum, and/or loud and obnoxious.

My parents are trashy because my dad is an unemployed redneck alcoholic and my mother is a country bumpkin who tends to believe anything she is told and wears too much makeup.

Neil Patrick Harris is classy. Marlon Brando was classy. It's their look, their style, the way they talk, the roles they take and how they perform them.

Both of my exes are trashy because they have dead end jobs, dress like slobs, don't take care of themselves in health or hygiene, and neither can do anything passed basic math.

My father in law is classy because he's confidant, knows all the polite decorum of "fancy folk", enjoys classic music (The Beatles, Eagles, etc), and generally comes off as an intelligent man.

Fran the Nanny was trashy because of the way she talked and the slutty clothes she wore while Mr. Sheffield was classy because he was handsome, british, and rich.

It's always a culmination of things that makes a person classy or trashy. I think it's trashy when people try too hard to be classy, like Joan Rivers. And classy to be able to pull off outfits that alone would be considered trashy, like Lady Gaga (I don't care if you disagree, I think she's a standup person).
 
slightly OT but back when Doogie Howser MD was on tv I couldnt imagine anyone calling Neil Patrick Harris classy :lol:

I'd agree that he is however, though it's kind of cheating since he's gay - you can't compare gay and straight men's dress sense to one another, it just ain't a level playing field.
 
It's funny that Amy would bring up Snooki for a comparison. Snooki pretty much obliterates the line into trashiness when she's wasted and epitomizes the word. Whereas her friend Deena, while a bit daft, is not yet too far gone to be beyond hope with a little maturing and education. At least, IMHO.

Check out minute marker starting at 33 for a good laugh about what Deena calls a pyromaniac :)
http://www.mtv.com/videos/jersey-shore- ... list.jhtml
 
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Bocefish said:
It's funny that Amy would bring up Snooki for a comparison. Snooki pretty much obliterates the line into trashiness when she's wasted and epitomizes the word. Whereas her friend Deena, while a bit daft, is not yet too far gone to be beyond hope with a little maturing and education. At least, IMHO.

Check out minute marker starting at 33 for a good laugh about what Deena calls a pyromaniac :)
http://www.mtv.com/videos/jersey-shore- ... list.jhtml

I saw Snooki sober on Ellen and she was trashy even sober sooooo yea.
 
AshaSnow said:
Bocefish said:
It's funny that Amy would bring up Snooki for a comparison. Snooki pretty much obliterates the line into trashiness when she's wasted and epitomizes the word. Whereas her friend Deena, while a bit daft, is not yet too far gone to be beyond hope with a little maturing and education. At least, IMHO.

Check out minute marker starting at 33 for a good laugh about what Deena calls a pyromaniac :)
http://www.mtv.com/videos/jersey-shore- ... list.jhtml

I saw Snooki sober on Ellen and she was trashy even sober sooooo yea.

No argument here Asha, but when she's wasted it gets magnified tenfold.
 
IMO...
Sometimes there are classy girls that sometimes do trashy things. It just makes the action trashy, not them. But if you are trashy over half the time, you are a trashy person.
Wearing a low cut shirt can be classy. Wearing lingerie pieces to go grocery shopping is trashy.
Cussing loudly in public, trashy.
Being orange instead of tan, trashy.
Being on the show The Bad Girls Club, trashy. Actually, those girls are perfect examples of trashy girls.
 
Like Bocefish said, it lies in the eyes of the beholder.

To some people tattoos are trashy, to some women with tattoos are trashy, while men are slightly more acceptable. To some women wearing anything even slightly revealing is trashy, to others women wearing short skirts and low cut tops are trashy.
To some of the puritanical non-nudes on MFC, those who strip are trashy, while to others it's ok to remove a bra, just don't show your nipples. To some, it's fine to get nekked, but to plunge a toy in your vagina is trashy, while to others a toy is fine, while fisting your ass is trashy. (I call it talent)

The trashy/ classy argument is about taste and like most other things it's all matter of what the viewer is comfortable with. I may sound like an asshole here but, take two different women- One is slim, smaller breasts, maybe athletic; she wears a tube top that shows her mid drift and hip hugging pants that barely cover her crack. She shows nothing inappropriate for society at large.
Now take another woman who is about fifty to a hundred pounds heavier and wearing the same outfit only sized to fit her.

People would deem the second "trashy." Why? Both wear the same thing, but because "society" doesn't want to see the bigger woman, with her floppy tits, and tight pants stretched across her ass, she's deemed as being a lesser person. This happens, I know, I've seen it.

I'm not saying I'm not guilty of the same reactions. But I am curious as to where the reactions come from.
 
Well....
I know each one when I see it.
And there are so many varieties of each, it's hard to say "this" makes you one or the other.

I know each when I see it. Sometimes trashy can hide behind classy so, watch out for that.
 
Trashy vs Classy
Classy, of course kicking trashy's butt
 

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Poker_Babe said:
Trashy vs Classy
Classy, of course kicking trashy's butt

So much win! I myself am a curvy girl, but I know a good number of girls that are naturally toothpicks!
It's a double edged sword, so many people can't just be happy with what they have (or get off their butts and change it, though no always the case at all.)

I find bad grammar to be trashy. Not that I am perfect, I just wish that people with this as their first language would get a decent grasp of it.. If you are not from an English speaking country it is obviously much more understandable.
 
I find willful ignorance trashy. People who deny the truth just cause they don't like it.

Also, people who aren't respectful of others. That's trashy behavior.

Dressing slutty while acting slutty- trashy. Dressing slutty while acting scared- poor thing. Dressing slutty while acting classy- classy.

Lack of hygiene when it's easily available- trashy. Having the best hygiene possible with what's available when it's not adequate- classy. Having the best hygiene possible when it's over-available - neurotic :p
 
Poker_Babe said:
Trashy vs Classy
Classy, of course kicking trashy's butt
Curvy girls might be "in" but I wouldn't mind being "in" that Megan Medellin chickie :lol:










PS. yes I know it's you PBM lol
 
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I tend to define trashy verses classy, not so much by how well dressed, or well spoken someone is, but rather how they behave, or act.... I don't care how good looking, well dressed, well educated, or how rich someone is... if they're sleazy with how they behave, or are untrustworthy, I'm gonna label them as trashy in my mind and won't have much use for them... I've known some fairly successful people in my day that were part of the "in crowd", but were absolute snakes and would screw someone over simply for the amusement of it.... on the flip side I've known some pretty poorly educated, and financially poor individuals that had hearts of gold, and would do anything to help someone out... so to me it's more about the persons character than any sort of superficial characteristics

As far as what makes up trashy in camming... for a model it's one that has no standards and will do anything for a token (like destroy their anus or do something nasty like a poop show)... one that just manufactures a lot of unnecessary drama... or just flat out tokens whores... for the members it's either the guys that try to scam models... or the non-tipping attention whores that has to be the center of attention with everything that goes on in a room... lol... basically trolls
 
hornygods said:
I don't think I can define classy well, but I can definitely define trashy.

I consider trashy to be less of an appearance thing than it is social attitude. It is to whine/gossip/moan at everything, to be highly (pre)judgemental, and to hold the belief that they're morally superior to everyone else. In addition to that, they feel entitled to everything that everyone else achieved/earned, and can't be satisfied with what they've already got. They believe that they deserve it, although they put no effort in their lives.

In terms of appearance - they tend to be highly promiscuous, who would flirt with anything that moves, and typically over-use makeup, fake eyelashes, etc. Presumably, they are unsatisfied with their own appearance, perhaps due to poor self-esteem or self-confidence, thus they present a version of themselves which could only be described as a façade.

They're proud of their creation, blissfully unaware of their true beauty lying deep within. They may lack a social status, so they try to fit in, but they don't - so they develop their own sense of style, taste, and fashion. They may be rebellious, defiant youngsters who believes the world owes them something.

It's not just an attitude - it's a lifestyle.

I think GrapplingIgnorance had described it pretty well here:



I realise that some of the description touches base on model behaviour, but this is to a completely different scale/level, so please don't confuse this to a bash on models who obviously work hard to maintain their appearance.

EDIT - Interesting, LovelyLemon. It seems that we agree on what defines trashy, although I didn't read the post before I've written this one. <.<


I want to make an amendment. I realise that after sleeping, being 'trashy' is actually dictated by behaviour. I think I made the rant in reference to something else. Disregard everything beyond 'In terms of appearance'. I wish there was still an edit button.
 
Okay, you've got someone who'll do poop shows for tokens...but let's say they're also a person who'd risk their life to save another human, a stranger say, from danger?

Classy or Trashy?

Or maybe the reality is, most people are a combination of each, each with a bit of bravery, a bit of cowardice, a bit of greed and a bit of generosity, a bit of slob and a bit of finesse. How we think of someone has to do with what qualities we each value most and judging someone by distilling our perceptions of the balance of their behavior.
 
bodisha said:
I tend to define trashy verses classy, not so much by how well dressed, or well spoken someone is, but rather how they behave, or act.... I don't care how good looking, well dressed, well educated, or how rich someone is... if they're sleazy with how they behave, or are untrustworthy, I'm gonna label them as trashy in my mind and won't have much use for them... I've known some fairly successful people in my day that were part of the "in crowd", but were absolute snakes and would screw someone over simply for the amusement of it.... on the flip side I've known some pretty poorly educated, and financially poor individuals that had hearts of gold, and would do anything to help someone out... so to me it's more about the persons character than any sort of superficial characteristics

As far as what makes up trashy in camming... for a model it's one that has no standards and will do anything for a token (like destroy their anus or do something nasty like a poop show)... one that just manufactures a lot of unnecessary drama... or just flat out tokens whores... for the members it's either the guys that try to scam models... or the non-tipping attention whores that has to be the center of attention with everything that goes on in a room... lol... basically trolls
I mostly agree with this. Integrity goes a long way. I disagree with the poop show thing. Not because I personally enjoy scat play but because I know that people do enjoy it and if the model doesn't mind and it's not against her personal integrity, I can't call her trashy for it.

I do think it would be a pretty shitty show, though.
(Rim-shot, please.)
 
For me it's not how they dress, or even what they're willing to do for tokens/their popularity/whatever.
It's about how they do it and the attitude they do it with. Are they nasty, mean, and ungrateful? Do you think they would do something to harm someone else just to benefit themselves? If the answer is yes, you've got a trashy one.

The ones who dress poorly, well that's a matter of opinion.
You shouldn't consider a model trashy for the acts that they are willing to perform unless they're damaging themselves, or are really opposed to what they are doing, but do it anyway for tokens. Even something that's usually not palatable to most of use can be done in a classy way.

Also I would never look down on someone for things they may be willing to do when desperate. I have been living below the poverty line for quite some time, and frankly it's scary. I don't know what kinds of things I would do if I had children to feed, and $0 to do it with. The people who take advantage of desperate women, and make them do things they find repulsive for money, they're the trashy ones.
 
Liars are trashy. Those who use others without regard to any negative repercussions, greed, and belittlement of others is trashy. And I also feel that everyone has the potential to be classy...its too bad that a lot of people don't care to learn that about themselves.
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I think I'll compose a more elaborate post later to redefine my personal view of 'trashy'. I think my initial post was regarding a very specific attitude, so it would be factually inaccurate to say that it encompasses 'trashy' in general.

I'd like to address another thread first;

viewtopic.php?t=7201&p=149086

I'd consider what the member did to be 'trashy'. He seems to try and undermine models, in an attempt to dig away at their self-esteem with his snark about how models should be 'doing it for free' so he could get a free video. I consider him worse than the average basic simply because he actually attempts to manipulate the model.

Here's how it's really done:

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I thought a lot of the posts here made great points. I tend to find that it's the actions more than the clothing that makes someone classy or trashy. Examples below:

There's one guy in one of my classes who wears holey t shirts and ripped jeans with old sneakers. He ALWAYS holds open the doors, addresses people around him by "ma'am" and "sir", is the first to pick up a dropped item and has the most immaculate manners I've ever seen. I think he's a pretty classy person.
5 other guys in that same class dress to the nines but feel that saying "cunt" in class and calling women "bitches" is appropriate. They are trashy by far.

If a girl lets her thong or panties stick out of her pants uknowingly and fixes it if someone tells her or she notices, that's not trashy. That's simply an embarassing accident.
If a girl knowlingly allows her undergarments to hang out in public, shows them off and acts like she's the hottest stuff in town-that's trashy.
 
hornygods said:
I think I'll compose a more elaborate post later to redefine my personal view of 'trashy'. I think my initial post was regarding a very specific attitude, so it would be factually inaccurate to say that it encompasses 'trashy' in general.

I fucking adore XKCD
 
bodisha said:
I tend to define trashy verses classy, not so much by how well dressed, or well spoken someone is, but rather how they behave, or act.... I don't care how good looking, well dressed, well educated, or how rich someone is... if they're sleazy with how they behave, or are untrustworthy, I'm gonna label them as trashy in my mind and won't have much use for them... I've known some fairly successful people in my day that were part of the "in crowd", but were absolute snakes and would screw someone over simply for the amusement of it.... on the flip side I've known some pretty poorly educated, and financially poor individuals that had hearts of gold, and would do anything to help someone out... so to me it's more about the persons character than any sort of superficial characteristics

As far as what makes up trashy in camming... for a model it's one that has no standards and will do anything for a token (like destroy their anus or do something nasty like a poop show)... one that just manufactures a lot of unnecessary drama... or just flat out tokens whores... for the members it's either the guys that try to scam models... or the non-tipping attention whores that has to be the center of attention with everything that goes on in a room... lol... basically trolls
Yes! I went clubbing with a pretty good looking rich guy (strictly platonic, other friends were meeting us up) and he was FARTING in the car right next to me the whole time and blamed it on drinking a healthy shake. He didn't even try to hold it in. He was just ripping ass, and this guy is a multi-millionaire. TRASHY!!!!
 
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