Can Tipping / Transferring Tokens be a Shell Game on CB?

[Dubious]

I believe Tokens are not transferrable between CB users without the express consent of CB. For example, if I have multiple CB Memberships at the same time, I can’t transfer Tokens from one of my Memberships to another one of my Memberships . . without the express consent of CB, which makes sense: If one COULD transfer Tokens, one could easily & quickly accrue A TON of tokens in one Membership at a VERY small cost (assuming one cancels new Memberships as soon as they are created, simply in order to get the 200 free Tokens, which could then be trasferred).

However, IF a Member DOES have consent from CB to transfer tokens to > < from > < to > from different Memberships . . couldn’t, for example, the users fakemember, ghostaccount, and daddywarbucks in a Model's Room APPEAR to be Tipping very generously in order to generate buzz & excitement in the Model’s room and motivate other Members to Tip, only for the Model to return most / all of those Tips to fakemember, ghostaccount, and daddywarbucks after the show . . in a continuous loop? Yes, CB allegedly takes 50% of the Tokens, I believe . . unless CB is PART of the Shell Game, right?

 

[Dubious]

Why would you want to know more about studios?

Excellent question, thank you so much for asking, as others (yourself, perhaps?) can potentially address my newbie nagging blind spots re Studios

Ok . . I think this one has been addressed, but perhaps somebody can expand upon it briefly: If I understand correctly, a Studio (same thing as an "Agency?") hires somebody to be a model on a camming site, CB in my initial example.

The "model" is hired either on an hourly basis (like any other hourly job: grocery store, barrista, substitute teacher, etc) OR signs a contract wherein the "model" takes home a small percentage of what the room earns. [I would have said "HER room," except she really has nothing to do with it, except for being the "Talent" on the screen, similar to an actor being in a commercial for . . shampoo: its not the actor's shampoo commercial, they are simply the Talent.]

In which case . . the Studio / an Admin signs into CB as the Model and runs the room completely (understanding that the Model can read the Chat, see her Tip Notes so she can address them, and read -- but NOT respond to in writing -- her Private Messages so she can address them, etc).

The Model has strict quotas she has to hit during her show, about which I know absolutely nothing.

After the show, she closes the door, puts on her backpack, and goes about her day . . just like anybody else getting off work. And instead of getting paid once a month or every other week, perhaps the Studio pays her weekly, or possibly daily.

 

[Vixxen81]

signs a contract wherein the "model" takes home a small percentage of what the room earns.

Correct.

After the show, she closes the door, puts on her backpack, and goes about her day . . just like anybody else getting off work. And instead of getting paid once a month or every other week, perhaps the Studio pays her weekly, or possibly daily.

Correct.

No one can predict the kind of client that is going to walk into the room, not even an experienced cam model. Again the only "script" is selling content/other sites/buying more tokens/going private if that's an option for that model. There's not as much cloak and dagger stuff going on as you think there is. However there are exchange rates and different economies in play.

Also, please stop putting model in quotes. Every single one of us have to go through ID verification and bio scans. It takes a lot of balls to do this, especially in countries where studios are needed because camming is illegal.

 

[Dubious]

Why would you want to know more about studios?

Curiosity?

I'm just now learning about them . . and I am so curious. I've been lurking on CB for years (due primarily to fear of either (a) being identified and blackmailed by a *boogyman* . . or my bank account and personal data either being stolen or hacked or leaked, etc . . until I finally got up the nerve to become an aktive member six months ago).

I guess my two primary questions are:

1. Understanding that there are probably fantastic studios out there who treat their models with love and respect and are very helpful and supportive in helping the Model achieve their goal(s) . . and there are definitely horrible, god-forsaken Studios out there who are more like pimps than studios and treat their models as little more than sex slaves . .

. . how can I be better assured that the Model I am talking about is in a good situation that is fulfilling and satisfying to her? (realizing, of course, that I can't . . and as some will point out: it's none of my business.)

2. Knowing that a Studio / Agency is completely running / managing her CB and her OF, and the Model is really simply the paid Talent . . is (a) the Model at all interested in or invested in things I/we write her, share with her, etc . . or could she not possibly care less . . does she put it all out of her mind the second it enters?

. . and (b) knowing the Studio / Agency is managing / running her OF . . does the Model even ever SEE what her fans send her, or it that all dealt with by Chatters in 2nd and 3rd world countries never to be seen by any other eyes in the world . . and could she care less?

 

[Dubious]

Also, please stop putting model in quotes. Every single one of us have to go through ID verification and bio scans. It takes a lot of balls to do this, especially in countries where studios are needed because camming is illegal.

Got it. Thank you. My sincere apologies. I meant nothing by the quotes other than setting the word model off from the words around it, similar to the way I sometimes put quotes around "Studio" and other words. Here on ACF, I don't know how to do italics, bold . . hold on . . I JUST now noticed the Formatting bar .

I have nothing but respect and admiration for people who work in any honest job, especially for those who risk so much by putting themselves out there so vulnerably in any adult (I almost put quotes around that word) industry. Thank you from my infinite heart

 

[Dubious]

There is no reason or need for you to know more about studios so there is no point trying to search for them.
All you need to know for them is the fact a lot of models use a studio for different reasons, a lot don't have place at home to cam from, or they are not so tech savvy, so having somewhere like a studio to go and work from is the best option for them, and in return the studio takes a 40% - 60% (usually) cut from the earnings, to pay for the room, internet, tech help and anything else (some studios are very good and useful, some are bad and lazy, some are pure exploitive). That right there is all you need to know.

But all in all, just tip the model as much as you can, enjoy with her and don't be a dick to her/them, and just enjoy.

Understanding that tone can not be conveyed accurately via text . . I am trying not to read your response as somewhat combative and rather aggressive.

While I genuinely appreciate your explanation of how studios might work (as it is some of the first real concrete examples shared with me), there IS a reason for me to know more about studios and there is a point trying to search for them: I want to know more about studios and using resources like AmberCutie on the internet seems like a pretty successful way to do it; why I want to know more about studios is nobody else's business (as I have been accurately reminded elsewhere in this thread).

I strongly disagree that "all I need to know about them is the fact a lot of models use a studio for different reasons." I would like to know if every Studio out there is actively participating in the international sex trade . . or if every Studio out there earnestly has the models best interest at heart and is mostly doing whatever it can to help the model achieve their goal(s) . . or if there is very probably a huge grey area between these two examples . . and if so, how can I better assess which side of the fulcrum a certain Studio / Agency / model falls on.

I am NEVER a "dick" to models and I can not "just enjoy" if my Spidey senses are tingling and I have a nagging feeling that something fishy is going on . . especially if when I begin to investigate, I immediately run into misdirections, Red Herrings, deceit, lies, and obfuscations.

 

[AmberCutie]

resources like AmberCutie

first, I am not a resource. I am a person.

ACF = "AmberCutie's Forum" is a resource. It's a peeve that people can't make that distinction. you don't post ON AMBERCUTIE you post on ACF or my FORUM.

I would like to know if every Studio out there is actively participating in the international sex trade . . or if every Studio out there earnestly has the models best interest at heart and is mostly doing whatever it can to help the model achieve their goal(s) . . or if there is very probably a huge grey area between these two examples . . and if so, how can I better assess which side of the fulcrum a certain Studio / Agency / model falls on.

There is no way for you to know. Both exist, and everything in the middle exists. I would like to think that large sites like CB are careful about the studios they have on their roster, so I'd fall on the side of mostly harmless.

But regardless, you tipping them is going to only do good for them personally, not bad. It's always better for a model to have earned than to not have earned. And if you enjoyed your time in their room, then it was still money well spent for yourself.

I'm starting to wonder if you're writing a book?

 

[Dubious]

first, I am not a resource. I am a person.

ACF = "AmberCutie's Forum" is a resource. It's a peeve that people can't make that distinction. you don't post ON AMBERCUTIE you post on ACF or my FORUM.


There is no way for you to know. Both exist, and everything in the middle exists. I would like to think that large sites like CB are careful about the studios they have on their roster, so I'd fall on the side of mostly harmless.

But regardless, you tipping them is going to only do good for them personally, not bad. It's always better for a model to have earned than to not have earned. And if you enjoyed your time in their room, then it was still money well spent for yourself.

I'm starting to wonder if you're writing a book?

I apologize for unintentionally referring to your forum as a person . . or your person as a forum, my bad; the URL is "AmberCutie.com," not "AmberCutiesForum.com." It is an innocently confusing mistake

Although I am a 50+ year old artist, I am not a writer and am not writing a book, although my word count on here over the past few days might suggest otherwise

I have just recently started delving into actively participating financially in the cam world (CB in my case) after years of guilty anonymous lurking, and have "fallen in love with" a couple models, both who use Agencies / Studios to varying degrees on CB & OF, and I had no idea Agencies and Studios were even a thing until a couple weeks ago . . so I am curious how these things work and how I can best assess and approach the cam world with my new -- albeit naive and unqualified -- knowledge.

I have read things on ACF for YEARS via Google searches, and have always admired, respected, and felt gratitude for the people who participate on here . . with the caveat that I have absolutely no idea who is telling the truth, who is actually a person and not A.I, and who knows what their talking about and who is just making stuff up.

Thank you, Amber

P.S. I just subscribed to your OF

 

[Dubious]

I'm starting to wonder if you're writing a book?

I was diagnosed with ADD in 1979. Allegedly, a common aspect of ADD is hyper-focusing . . getting very absorbed by something: a book, a movie, a hobby, a cloud, a conversation . . you get the idea. I guess "CB," "This Particular Model," "OF," "Studios & Agencies" is my current "focus." (see . . I simply use quotation marks liberally and unnecessarily!)

I can attest to the fact that time has not seemed to have passed for me over the past couple days, even though I have taken my medication

 

[Smoothie]

Getting back to my query: what is to prevent CB Members from tipping a CB Model wildly in order to create buzz / hype and motivate & inspire others to therefore Tip . . and then the Model simply transferring those Tokens back to the . . "plants" (not as in "foliage," but as in "unknown member of a scheme") . . so the Plants can Tip wildly again the next show . . and the next . . ad infinitum?

This would work especially well in a Raffle situation (where the continuously-tipping Plants would help drive a sense of urgency and momentum, and all-but-be-guaranteed to win the prize) . . or with Ticket Shows, where the Plants would help create a FOMO environment.

Others have made several great points already, in response to your questions. But I wanted to add this:

There is no guarantee that your above scenario would work, anyway. You can’t assume that the same regular tipper (or handful of tippers) will create “buzz” or “momentum” or “FOMO” and inspire other tippers to join in. In my own experience as a regular tipper in certain rooms, it sometimes has the opposite impact. Other members start recognizing your account, they know you’ll tip, and they fall into a habit of sitting back and wait for the show, rather than trying to start one themselves.

The model might accumulate a following of grey accounts that park in her room and just wait for the action they know is coming, once [username] arrives. Which in turn creates a freeloader atmosphere in that particular room. Just saying, it’s not the slam-dunk scheme you might think it is, cycling tokens in that way.

Nothing is guaranteed, but yeah… the scheme you described is just as likely to have the reverse result, as it is to inspire new & different tippers.

 

[Vixxen81]

Others have made several great points already, in response to your questions. But I wanted to add this:

There is no guarantee that your above scenario would work, anyway. You can’t assume that the same regular tipper (or handful of tippers) will create “buzz” or “momentum” or “FOMO” and inspire other tippers to join in. In my own experience as a regular tipper in certain rooms, it sometimes has the opposite impact. Other members start recognizing your account, they know you’ll tip, and they fall into a habit of sitting back and wait for the show, rather than trying to start one themselves.

The model might accumulate a following of grey accounts that park in her room and just wait for the action they know is coming, once [username] arrives. Which in turn creates a freeloader atmosphere in that particular room. Just saying, it’s not the slam-dunk scheme you might think it is, cycling tokens in that way.

Nothing is guaranteed, but yeah… the scheme you described is just as likely to have the reverse result, as it is to inspire new & different tippers.

This is why there are so many ways to hide shows from people who haven't tipped. Anyone who doesn't tip is considered a freeloader and that's disingenuous and definitely inspires them to keep their hands in their pockets instead of pulling out the credit card.

 

[cbhours]

I strongly disagree that "all I need to know about them is the fact a lot of models use a studio for different reasons." I would like to know if every Studio out there is actively participating in the international sex trade . . or if every Studio out there earnestly has the models best interest at heart and is mostly doing whatever it can to help the model achieve their goal(s) . . or if there is very probably a huge grey area between these two examples . . and if so, how can I better assess which side of the fulcrum a certain Studio / Agency / model falls on.

Most studios do not have the resources to respond to every message on behalf of every model they have live on a cam site.

It's really not that difficult to imagine how studios work, there are plenty of models that have tried to launch there own studios and try to do the best they can to help the models working for them. How long do you think that lasts in an industry with such a high turn over rate? Most are just standard studios, the monitor occasionally helps chat but is probably more focused on drawing in traffic through less reputable means like talking up male broadcasters for example.

"I would like to know if every Studio out there is actively participating in the international sex trade" Like...trafficking? so when theres absolutely no shortage of girls out there willing to work for a low percentage you want to know if instead they are obtaining victims of trafficking, housing, feeding, and putting them on literally the most public cam site in existence? Do you think thats likely?

 

[Dubious]

Others have made several great points already, in response to your questions. But I wanted to add this:

There is no guarantee that your above scenario would work, anyway. You can’t assume that the same regular tipper (or handful of tippers) will create “buzz” or “momentum” or “FOMO” and inspire other tippers to join in. In my own experience as a regular tipper in certain rooms, it sometimes has the opposite impact. Other members start recognizing your account, they know you’ll tip, and they fall into a habit of sitting back and wait for the show, rather than trying to start one themselves.

The model might accumulate a following of grey accounts that park in her room and just wait for the action they know is coming, once [username] arrives. Which in turn creates a freeloader atmosphere in that particular room. Just saying, it’s not the slam-dunk scheme you might think it is, cycling tokens in that way.

Nothing is guaranteed, but yeah… the scheme you described is just as likely to have the reverse result, as it is to inspire new & different tippers.

True that. I have absolutely noticed this Whale effect as well

 

[Dubious]

This is why there are so many ways to hide shows from people who haven't tipped. Anyone who doesn't tip is considered a freeloader and that's disingenuous and definitely inspires them to keep their hands in their pockets instead of pulling out the credit card.

I was 100% guilty of being a freeloader for YEARS until a few months ago (I call it "Lurking").

(A) I didn't want any of my personal information to be discovered or leaked or revealed or threatened or to follow me, and I didn't want to start getting an avalanche of XXX spam emails in my inbox.

Obviously, this was before I realized / discovered I could create and use fake email accounts, or use an encrypted email service like I do now. But I STILL don't feel 100% "safe," because there could always be a data breach and/or "bad apples," and one day in the near future I fully expect A.I. is going to know everything about every one of us who has ever done anything on the internet, and who knows what the A.I. company will do with that information.

(B) I only used one debit card for many years, no credit card, so I didn't want XXX stuff associated with my only card, and I didn't know of other not-too-complicated ways to pay for these webcam sites. Nowadays, there seem to be multiple ways, but 2008 - 2015 . . not so much.

 

[Dubious]

Like...trafficking? so when theres absolutely no shortage of girls out there willing to work for a low percentage you want to know if instead they are obtaining victims of trafficking, housing, feeding, and putting them on literally the most public cam site in existence? Do you think thats likely?

Yes, like trafficking. Or something like trafficking, for example a traditional / stereotypical pimp-prostitute relationship where it may start off symbiotic but inevitably deteriorates into a purely exploitative situation bordering on kidnapping . . or brothel-like scenario (similar to the amazingly portrayed situation in "Poor Things," the excellent Emma Stone movie (IMHO).

Housing can be EXTREMELY cheap if the "housing" is like a kennel . . same with institutional food. And I was (am until I confirm it somehow?) unaware that there are professionals monitoring all these sites with eagle eyes looking for any signs that any of the models are under any duress or doing anything against their will. That's really good to know . . at least know is a possibility until I confirm it somehow elsewhere.

I have absolutely no idea how prevalent and/or ubiquitous "girls out there are willing to work -- get completely naked and masturbate -- for a low percentage." It is more-common-than-not? I get why people would want to be a cam model even if they had other equally paying options . . and I also don't understand why, if they had opportunities to make equal pay elsewhere in more traditional jobs, somebody would willingly get naked and masturbate on the internet where everything is being recorded and distributed forever.

Regarding the likelihood of the nightmare situation . . lets take into consideration that I know next-to-nothing about the ins and outs of any aspect of the adult industry, so the likelihood or unlikelihood of my conclusions being accurate or bankable / dependable are very low. As evidenced by my questions and comments on this entire thread

Also . . if there is a LOT of money $$$$ involved, I believe there is corruption at every level of any company / corporation / institution / agency / branch of government / etc . . so, "yes," I think it is a possibility.

Again, I am grateful for, respect and admire cam models SO much

 

[MarieElise]

I was diagnosed with ADD in 1979. Allegedly, a common aspect of ADD is hyper-focusing . . getting very absorbed by something: a book, a movie, a hobby, a cloud, a conversation . . you get the idea. I guess "CB," "This Particular Model," "OF," "Studios & Agencies" is my current "focus." (see . . I simply use quotation marks liberally and unnecessarily!)

I can attest to the fact that time has not seemed to have passed for me over the past couple days, even though I have taken my medication

I have ADD/ ADHD too. 2 things I frequently have to ask myself when I get "absorbed" in something is; is this bringing me any personal, tangible rewards? What am I trying to to avoid right now, that I don't want to do, but that needs done?

And yeah, the meds don't fix everything, you still gotta use coping skills, and build mental systems and habits, which the meds make easier/ possible. You might be having "fun" right now, but this fascination of yours is just one of those things that spins in circles (ie it ain't gonna go anywhere useful or practical), and takes time away from real life stuff. I can almost guarantee that. Which I'm embarrassed to even admit. Spoken by someone who spent their whole vacation this year avidly researching Seismology, and the Earths crust. Instead of actually going outside and walking on it

 

[Dubious]

I have ADD/ ADHD too. 2 things I frequently have to ask myself when I get "absorbed" in something is; is this bringing me any personal, tangible rewards? What am I trying to to avoid right now, that I don't want to do, but that needs done?

And yeah, the meds don't fix everything, you still gotta use coping skills, and build mental systems and habits, which the meds make easier/ possible. You might be having "fun" right now, but this fascination of yours is just one of those things that spins in circles (ie it ain't gonna go anywhere good or practical), and takes time away from real life stuff. I can almost guarantee that. Which I'm embarrassed to even admit.

You are SO right. I have "no notes" regarding what you just wrote.

Thank you

TBH, I think my absorption and spinning around this particular model is about the fact that I used to really enjoy spending time in her room with her for 3-4hrs three days a week. However, the more I kept "stubbing my toe on unseen rocks," the less I could simply relax and enjoy the show.

I couldn't find remotely informative or satisfying answers to any of my questions anywhere, so for a month or so I had to just struggle with my suspicious and questions by myself using the internet.

IMHO, it's kind of like having something chronically wrong or hurting in your body and you don't know what it is, so you go to the doctor and the doctor either tells you, "we don't know what it is, either" or "we know what it is and we know how to make it better," or "we know what it is, but we don't know how to make it better."

I would rather know what something is than not know what something is, even if it can't be completely solved. That is how I feel about this model and her CB & OF and if she is working for a Studio / Agency and if so what is a Studio and how do they work?

I just want to get back to enjoying spending time with her without my Spidey senses tingling and smelling something fishy in the air, but have no idea what it is or where it's coming from.

This thread and ALL of the comments and people who have participated have helped me, I think. It's not solved, but at least I know better what "it" is.

 

[cbhours]

I have absolutely no idea how prevalent and/or ubiquitous "girls out there are willing to work -- get completely naked and masturbate -- for a low percentage." It is more-common-than-not? I get why people would want to be a cam model even if they had other equally paying options . . and I also don't understand why, if they had opportunities to make equal pay elsewhere in more traditional jobs, somebody would willingly get naked and masturbate on the internet where everything is being recorded and distributed forever.

Most studios are in countries where wages are low. Many models in Colombia make more money than Colombian dentists. It would be difficult to find a job with equivalent pay.

 

[Dubious]

Most studios are in countries where wages are low. Many models in Colombia make more money than Colombian dentists. It would be difficult to find a job with equivalent pay.

Thank you

I have noticed that Colombia is the TOP location for cam models outside of the United States . . which I don't really understand, either. I mean, there are MANY 2nd & 3rd world countries where this could be common . . why Colombia?!

I can attest to the fact that dentistry is extremely affordable in Colombia, as I went to a dentist and had a bunch of work done when I was in Medellin for 10 days a few years back.

 

[rockin_rod]

and I also don't understand why, if they had opportunities to make equal pay elsewhere in more traditional jobs, somebody would willingly get naked and masturbate on the internet where everything is being recorded and distributed forever.

Sex work IS work. Not sure why some feel the need to query motivation to be in the industry.
Do you spend so much time pondering why someone works in banking, or doing construction, or in hospitality?

 

[MarieElise]

Oh it's fucking work alright...
In America the system for disability isn't very good. You get given a tiny amount of money that is not enough to really live in any kind of true way. Then you are limited on the amount of money you can make for yourself. I'm not saying every cam person has a disability or anything like that. But many people do have chronic health issues, mental and or physical, or all of them at the same time. It's a great way to make money that way.

However that being said you are subjected to abuse and judgment on pretty much a daily basis. So you have to be someone that can deal with that. It's not an easy job. I've been working since I was 14 years old. I am now 43 I think, maybe 44. I was born in 81. Anyways whatever, I have worked in so many fields, and I have a master's degree. This is one of the hardest jobs I've ever had, in many ways. However not in others, because I have the autonomy to manage what aspects I get into, and what aspects I reject for myself. That might be too abstract to really make sense to a lot of people.

I don't want anyone to read what I said above and jump into camming as a job though. Right now it's harder than ever. I really would not recommend it to anyone at all, right now. I just got lucky in that I have some aspects of my personality and sexuality, that are a good match to certain sites. Not everyone does, and that can make the job damaging to some people.

For the majority of people it is not a get rich quick scheme. In fact to be honest for the majority of people, it's not an even get by scheme. It has the highest turnover and many people do not make it past the first year, I believe 90% is the statistic I have read quoted. And that wouldn't surprise me. It is an industry that the majority of us have to put in a ton of hard work to start even making somewhat decent money. You have to be very resilient and have a very hardy, confident personality to deal with it. It is work. Trust me!

 

[pbonACF]

TBH, I think my absorption and spinning around this particular model is about the fact that I used to really enjoy spending time in her room with her for 3-4hrs three days a week. However, the more I kept "stubbing my toe on unseen rocks," the less I could simply relax and enjoy the show.
....
I just want to get back to enjoying spending time with her without my Spidey senses tingling and smelling something fishy in the air, but have no idea what it is or where it's coming from.

So find a model who doesn't trigger your Spidey sense. Don't get attached to a model who makes you uncomfortable, because for sure you'll be making her uncomfortable too. It's not supposed to be this hard Dub.

 

[Dubious]

Sex work IS work. Not sure why some feel the need to query motivation to be in the industry.
Do you spend so much time pondering why someone works in banking, or doing construction, or in hospitality?

Of course sex work is work. Totally agree. I didn't intend to imply in any way shape or form that sex work is not work. If I did, I am so sorry. Sex work is as valid and deserving of admiration and respect as any other job, in my opinion.

No, I don't spend much time thinking about either traditional jobs or jobs in the sex industry, although hearing people's stories about how they got where they are &/or why they chose the profession they chose is almost always interesting no matter what the job is.

But working in a bank, or doing construction, or in hospitality are not taboo in Western Culture (most Western Cultures?). Sex work is, as much as I truly wish it weren't.

 

[Dubious]

I am now 43 I think, maybe 44. I was born in '81.

 

[Dubious]

Not everyone does, and that can make the job damaging to some people.

THIS! This is what I am afraid of re the model I have been referring to! I REALLY genuinely truly LIKE her. She makes my day better . . happier. I am always fully clothed when I'm in her room and I never pleasure myself. I just love spending time with her (and her music, which is pretty groovy). And because I like her and care about her . . I don't want to support the Studio IF she is being exploited, taken advantage of, and damaged by a creepy, nefarious Studio, a subject about which I knew next-to-nothing 5 days ago.

Yes, I agree her experience is really none of my business. But I am an empathetic person and can't help but be emotionally invested to some degree in her well-being. (I am also a demi-sexual, I think).

 

[MarieElise]

I don't want to support the Studio IF she is being exploited, taken advantage of, and damaged by a creepy, nefarious Studio, a subject about which I knew next-to-nothing 5 days ago.

She probably isn't.

(I am also a demi-sexual, I think).

What that?

I work Streamate primarily, for live cam, because I can't stand all this (para - maybe?) social stuff, in this context. So I'm not the best to talk to about token sites. Once in a while I jump on MFC, but I'm not wired to really understand token sites, and the social stuff, or feelings that might develop.

If a member said this (below) to me, or about my room, I'd be livid pissed! LIVID PISSED. So I'm not the best source for this kinda info on token sites.

I am always fully clothed when I'm in her room and I never pleasure myself.

Other models will speak better to that, than I can.

I haven't read the whole thread, but she's probably just fine and safe. There probably is genuinely nothing to worry about.

 

[Dubious]

So find a model who doesn't trigger your Spidey sense. Don't get attached to a model who makes you uncomfortable, because for sure you'll be making her uncomfortable too. It's not supposed to be this hard Dub.

Fantastic point, thank you

The thing is, this model didn't make me feel uncomfortable at all or trigger my Spidey senses until I had spent a gooood amount of time with her, not at all right-off-the-bat.

And I think (hope?) the more I grow to understand the industry and especially the symbiotic relationship between Studios and models (which I didn't know even existed a few weeks ago), the more I will be able to settle back in and just enjoy her room like I used to. But differently, of course.

 

[Dubious]

She probably isn't.

That's the feeling I get . . but clearly I am a somewhat naive and gullible guy, at least when it comes to cam sites.

She always seems so happy, and humble, and appreciative of any tokens . . and regularly says how we (her tippers) have changed her life, etc.

 

[Dubious]

she's probably just fine and safe. There probably is genuinely nothing to worry about.

 

[Vixxen81]

She probably isn't.

What that?

I work Streamate primarily, for live cam, because I can't stand all this (para - maybe?) social stuff, in this context. So I'm not the best to talk to about token sites. Once in a while I jump on MFC, but I'm not wired to really understand token sites, and the social stuff, or feelings that might develop.

If a member said this (below) to me, or about my room, I'd be livid pissed! LIVID PISSED. So I'm not the best source for this kinda info on token sites.


Other models will speak better to that, than I can.

I haven't read the whole thread, but she's probably just fine and safe. There probably is genuinely nothing to worry about.

A demi sexual is someone who has to feel emotions for someone in order to be intimate with them. See also sapiosexual.

As for a guy telling me he's not jerking it or still has his clothes on I'm like AWESOME, but GET MINE OFF.

 

[MarieElise]

A demi sexual is someone who has to feel emotions for someone in order to be intimate with them. See also sapiosexual.

Ah OK. I'm the opposite of whatever that is then. Which I know a lot of people don't like or approve of, but it is what it is.
I feel like the full continuum of sexualities (on the legal spectrum anyways), should be allowed to exist, in males, females, and anyone else on the gender spectrum, without negative judgement. But the day that happens, will be an interesting one indeed.

A lot of problems seem to occur when someone who is a demi sexual, decides to be sexual with someone like me, who is the opposite. I do know that much. It can be a shit ton of drama.
None of us should ever assume that the other person we are interacting with, is the same sexuality as us, or goes along with gender or cultural sexual stereotypes. Because, quite plainly, that is often not the case. However, people tend to assume it is, and many problems can ensue. Thorough communication is extremely important, before any sexual stuff occurs. None of us should ever assume anyone is on the same page as ourselves sexually, but I do think that it's fairly natural to project our sexuality on to others. However, it's rarely correct to do so.

And to add to this people often feel embarrassed or ashamed to talk about sexuality. It's a mess to navigate.