CamGirls: The Movie and the Drama

[HiGirlsRHot]

I've been moderately interested Camgirls: The Movie featuring Jenny Blighe and Ginger Banks.

Lots of people in the past has complained about folks outside the porn business doing films about camming, so why not let a real porn company do a film on the subject.

But holy shit this sounds awful.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I saw tweets from Molly talking about something like this. But, didn't realize she was talking about Jenny or what the movie was about. But, holy shit, is this bad. Regardless of if it's sex work or not, it needs to be consensual. Otherwise, it's assault at minimum. And, to have someone not standup for this, who supposedly has a track record of speaking out against this? All because they want to write a book and make money off it? What the fuck is going through someone's head?!

As unfortunate as this is, hopefully some light gets shed on what happens on some scenes. I would venture to guess that because of these things known to occur, it's why some women only agree to G/G?

 

[ElaySmith]

No matter how flat you make it a pancake still has two sides. I don’t know what happened on set and I’ve got no relationship with either lady but if OP is going to post Jenny’s side you should at least post or link to Gingers as well.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

No matter how flat you make it a pancake still has two sides. I don’t know what happened on set and I’ve got no relationship with either lady but if OP is going to post Jenny’s side you should at least post or link to Gingers as well.

I agree. I follow Ginger on tweeter I didn't see anything that directly addressed Jenny post. She tweets so much I probably missed ones, so I've you'd like to contribute to conversation by posting Ginger tweets feel free.

I seldom go to either girl's room, so I don't have a dog in this fight, I just thought it was interesting considering the topic of the movie.

 

[AmberCutie]

No matter how flat you make it a pancake still has two sides. I don’t know what happened on set and I’ve got no relationship with either lady but if OP is going to post Jenny’s side you should at least post or link to Gingers as well.

 

[ElaySmith]

Ive been following this drama since before they even officially called each other out. I don't have time to screen shot all of Gingers tweets as she didnt make a nice little document like Jenny... But I will link to her twitter if anybody else wants to take the time to read it.

https://twitter.com/gingerbanks1

 

[AwesomeKate]

The other performers commenting that "that's how porn shoots are" are freaking me out. That's how they are? Seriously? You show up on set and then people just pressure you to keep doing more than you agreed to?

 

[AmberCutie]

The other performers commenting that "that's how porn shoots are" are freaking me out. That's how they are? Seriously? You show up on set and then people just pressure you to keep doing more than you agreed to?

I agree, there's been a ton of complaint posted on Twitter over the last year or two that make it sound like you're not in control of what happens even if you sign agreements to what you're willing/not willing to do. It's scary. I am so glad to keep myself in my own home making my own porn/live shows, the risks of big porn productions sound terrible.

 

[Useful-Title]

The other performers commenting that "that's how porn shoots are" are freaking me out. That's how they are? Seriously? You show up on set and then people just pressure you to keep doing more than you agreed to?

Yes, if it was a she-said-she-said sort of situation then okay. But the people coming out and saying “yeah, that is how it goes” just makes me all the more glad that I stopped watching “Pro Porn” years ago.

Porn where people are comfortable and having fun is just more enjoyable/entertaining to me. In my opinion.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The other performers commenting that "that's how porn shoots are" are freaking me out. That's how they are? Seriously? You show up on set and then people just pressure you to keep doing more than you agreed to?

That's pretty much what I've always heard. Mr. Producer/Director "Anal would make this scene so much hotter, I really like working with girls are flexible and cooperative, you don't want to miss out on the chance to be my in next movie, it is going to be huuge."

 

[JickyJuly]

Pretty bummed to read Ginger's response about the whole thing. There was a part in her tweets where she said something like "Was my consent violated? Yes. Do I feel it was intentional? No. Did I feel the need to share it here? No.". To me that is way over the line, especially for someone who seems to see herself as an activist. Unintentional violations at your job are still a problem. And, Jenny's feelings about it don't have to be the same because they were in the same scene. If Jenny felt violated, she has every right to yell it out at anyone who wants to hear it. She doesn't have to write it off as a small error on the part of a large company. They're basically shaming JB for sharing that her experience was bad while simultaneously (condescendingly) saying that porn is bad and she signed up for it. Slut shaming the slut who doesn't go along with the idea that sexwork is all cupcakes and roses and didn't want another girl's pee in her mouth. Also, super gross that Ginger is defending the men involved and leaving JB out to dry. I'm not even that familiar with JB other than knowing she makes bank, and I'm livid for her at the way other performers were speaking to and about her on Twitter honestly. They should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

This seems like a very good summary of the situation.

https://www.melodyxlove.org/adult-film/jenny-blighes-side

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

This is unacceptable behavior in any workplace. Evil Angel has at least been negligent in ensuring that something like this wouldn't happen to such a degree that it is most likely criminal. That peers of Jenny Blighe is excusing this type of behavior is downright disgusting because they of all people should stand with her in solidarity instead of accepting it just so they can continue making money. Production companies should be more concerned about this because if this continues to happen eventually mainstream media will start covering it and with that heavy handed regulation will follow. Also thankfully video production and distribution is becoming easier and cheaper every year so we are going to reach a point where performers themselves will be able to make their own professional grade content without having to deal with this kind of despicable people.

 

[Guy]

I agree, there's been a ton of complaint posted on Twitter over the last year or two that make it sound like you're not in control of what happens even if you sign agreements to what you're willing/not willing to do. It's scary. I am so glad to keep myself in my own home making my own porn/live shows, the risks of big porn productions sound terrible.

Do you think that this is rampant in the porn industry?

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Do you think that this is rampant in the porn industry?

Guy, have you read the Twitter replies to Jenny's posts? If so, there's numerous comments in there confirming that with statements such as "That's how it is".

 

[AudriTwo]

 

[callmepete]

The other performers commenting that "that's how porn shoots are" are freaking me out

Amen. I about died when I saw the first response along those lines. I personally can't stand 'pro production porn' anyway, but if I did, I'm pretty sure comments like that would be enough to ruin it for me as a viewer entirely.

 

[Guy]

Guy, have you read the Twitter replies to Jenny's posts? If so, there's numerous comments in there confirming that with statements such as "That's how it is".

They already had a bad start in the beginning with Linda Lovelace. I read about what happened to her. Her story is heartbreaking.

 

[JickyJuly]

They already had a bad start in the beginning with Linda Lovelace. I read about what happened to her. Her story is heartbreaking.

Today's problem is that the market is saturated. So many girls that if you don't go along with shit, you're interchangeable. There are beautiful girls everywhere willing to put all sorts of stuff out there now for nothing. Back in Linda's day, women could have run things. They let the stigma do them in then I guess? Of course, that's not relevant to Linda Lovelace's situation. Her issue was domestic violence and lack of regulation in the industry. Probably not relevant to Jenny or Ginger either since they were there specifically as very popular camgirls.

 

[Guy]

Today's problem is that the market is saturated. So many girls that if you don't go along with shit, you're interchangeable. There are beautiful girls everywhere willing to put all sorts of stuff out there now for nothing. Back in Linda's day, women could have run things. They let the stigma do them in then I guess? Of course, that's not relevant to Linda Lovelace's situation. Her issue was domestic violence and lack of regulation in the industry. Probably not relevant to Jenny or Ginger either since they were there specifically as very popular camgirls.

Have you heard of Wicked Pictures mistreating/abusing their performers?

 

[SoTxBob]

While i fully support JB and am astounded that GB is letting it all ride so she can maybe make a buck, I have to wonder what they expected from the 'Evil' outfit. It seems from what I see constantly, they are one of the more ... idk... sleezy or rough outfits that don't really appear to give a crap about the girls or the treatment they get during production. As said by others, porn these days has an over abundance of 'disposable' girls that will do damn near anything they are told just so they can get their '30 second money shot' of screen time/porn fame. Despite the suppositions that the agreed to rules weren't communicated to Manuel Ferrara, I would think that if he were a professional and not some walking cock, he would have made the effort himself to double check with the girls since they were new talent. IDK, maybe its my lack of trust for people I dont know well, but had that shit happened with me, I'd have flat stopped the shoot until things were clear or I'd have walked.

 

[Guy]

Have you heard of Wicked Pictures mistreating/abusing their performers?

Whats with the troll attempt rating @a_haze420? Whats wrong with me trying to find out if Wicked Pictures has a bad rep like Evil Angels does?

 

[a_haze420]

Whats with the troll attempt rating @a_haze420? Whats wrong with me trying to find out if Wicked Pictures has a bad rep like Evil Angels does?

I accidentally hit it on my phone while reading.. Relax.

 

[Lucid1]

I don't pretend to know how the "Pro Porn" industry works, but after reading the replies, tweets and other links so far in this thread, are contracts really relegated to nothing more than "GG/BG/BGG...ect." choices, and anything that happens during filming is considered fair game?

 

[Mila_]

I don't understand why it is okay to tell another person how to act. Nobody should be pressured into being an advocate for any cause. It is okay to feel like consent isn't all that important to you. We are not all equal. If Ginger thought it wasn't a big issue to her, then that should be it. Nobody should question her decision to NOT get involved in it. It is hypocritical to ask other camgirls to be advocates of "the industry" (code word for your own problems) and with the same breath call out another girl for doing what she thinks is best for herself. Ginger's body is Ginger's and nobody can tell her how she is supposed to feel about it or about what happened to another person. It is immature and childish to act this way not to mention cultish. Nobody is responsible for your problems or for fixing your problems. Put your big girl boots on. When we start policing each other instead of going to the source of the problem they win.

Edit: also, let's talk about how, even in the aftermath of this so-called traumatic event, Jenny STILL has the movie promo as a banner for her twitter account. I will be over here waiting for her explanation.

 

[AmberCutie]

Edit: also, let's talk about how, even in the aftermath of this so-called traumatic event, Jenny STILL has the movie promo as a banner for her twitter account. I will be over here waiting for her explanation.

I feel like there's probably some kind of contractual reason with the studio.

 

[Mila_]

I feel like there's probably some kind of contractual reason with the studio.

I guess most people in her position, being assaulted at her job, would go to an attorney and find the way to stop promoting the film. Especially if you claim you didn't agree to a hardcore scene which is the one publicitary claim for the ad. I am sure there are ways around it if you want to, especially in the current political climate.

Adding to this to avoid DP...

Another thing I find problematic about this is she is working in the porn industry, nobody should be assaulted or disrespected but let's put it this way... dogs are not supposed to bite their owners but if I really really don't want to get bitten then I should probably not get a dog. Because it is always a possibility that it might happen. And if it does then you will be responsible. The porn industry is notorious for this in part because I guess some people do take liberties and are sleazeballs, but also because they are working with their bodies and with sex. If a couple who is in love can struggle for a while to find their boundaries in bed, imagine strangers who are fucking for the first time. There is bound to be some blurring of the lines. Which is why I think Ginger's position is much more mature. She understands the nature of the industry she is working in and is willing to be flexible and understanding when working on a set. If I wanted to hire someone I would hire Ginger and would royally pass on Jenny simply because of how this issue was handled by both of them. And I am not saying to swallow it up if something like this happens, but if you are mature you go to an attorney, not to twitter. It can feel like she is using this for attention.

 

[CharlieCharma]

Edit: also, let's talk about how, even in the aftermath of this so-called traumatic event, Jenny STILL has the movie promo as a banner for her twitter account. I will be over here waiting for her explanation.

 

[ElaySmith]

I guess most people in her position, being assaulted at her job, would go to an attorney and find the way to stop promoting the film. Especially if you claim you didn't agree to a hardcore scene which is the one publicitary claim for the ad. I am sure there are ways around it if you want to, especially in the current political climate.

I also saw where she tweeted that she had no control over how they market the film.

Other than that though I tend to agree with you Mila.

 

[CharlieCharma]

I feel like it's a little off putting that we can't expect a self proclaimed advocate to take this seriously while also expecting an alleged victim to react perfectly as well. It rubs me incredibly wrong. I love Ginger Banks. She's awesome. Still, feels like victim blaming.

I don't think going to an attorney would be helpful. I think it would be expensive and Evil Angel is a huge company. The director who's name is escaping me right now has been doing porn for longer than I've been alive. Sure, it would be great if they're routinely pushing consent and boundaries that they should be taken down, but that legal battle is going to be hell for whoever does it. Why are we criticizing the alleged victim for not choosing to go through that while still getting her story out?