CamGirl Ethics?

[RoseGranger]

Mama ooooo
Didn't mean to make you cry

 

[LilyEvans]

If I'm not back again this time tomorrow,


Carry onnnnn, carry onnnnnnnnnnn

 

[Pikachai]

Darn it I don't want to break up the song, but
(And just to preface, I didn't actually read most posts here.)
There is another type of member who is a patron to the cam girl precisely because he can not have her. I have a reg right now spoils me likely because I remind him of his wife who passed. He wants to share a connection with someone without feeling guilty that he is replacing her.
My fiancé has said to me, "If you ever die, I promise I'll sponsor a cam girl in your honor", basically saying he would probably choose to hang out with a cool girl online without feeling like he's replacing me.
Just my :twocents-02cents:


Doesn't really matter~

 

[NicoleRiley]

too late, my time has come,
sent shivers down my spine,
body's aching all the time

 

[IsabellaSnow]

So much... wrong with this thread.... brain might explode....

One of the things I liked best about MFCs was that I did not have to deal with guys like you.

God yeah, Deez... what an arsehole telling you that it's not a models responsibility to babysit you! Thank god none of the guys on MFC are like him eh? :lol:

I used to work in a pub where they had regular locals. They'd come in every day and consistently buy alcohol. If the person behaved badly they'd be kicked out, but the rest of the time they'd continue to be served and were very happy with the situation. Should the pub not allow anyone to come in and buy alcohol who may or may not be addicted to it? I don't know how much these people earned, but they're adults and had decided that's where they wanted to spend their money. I never questioned serving them and welcomed them into the pub. They never seemed out of control or incapable of making decisions.

I have also worked in a club. If I saw someone who seemed too drunk I would refuse to serve them. If someone were drunk and tipped me I'd accept that tip. I don't think anyone who worked behind the bar felt guilty about taking tips given willingly. Most of the "tips" were people offering to buy us drinks (we couldn't drink behind the bar so we'd take the money in tips).

Models aren't really like bartenders though. We don't get people intoxicated. Being on a camsite speaks for itself that we are working for our living and that our job is to flirt to and chat to men, not fall in love with and date men. Comparing us to drug dealers is ridiculous. Members don't die from visiting models. They don't tip us loads and then log off MFC and somehow get raped/murdered because after being dazzled by hot models they suddenly cannot handle themselves. Yes they can get addicted, not necessarily to the model but to the site itself. That is their decision though. I think most people can agree that a model straight out bullshitting a member to try and make him have those feelings for her to try and get extra money is not cool, but just being a cam model and having a member start to have feelings is not something we can control. It is the members responsibility to decide what to do once the feelings develop.

I remember a member visiting me and tipping a lot out of the blue. He would constantly complain about being burned by models and how much he'd spent on the site, yet he continued to tip random models and do exactly the same thing. A lot of members who over tip models will moan about said model but will continue visiting her and tipping her, they're not being forced to be there. They want to be there. And if they're not tipping that model they'll tip another.

But hey, maybe actresses, glamour models and porn stars should feel responsible for any guys who start to form feelings for them and should personally reimburse any money spent on videos/products/wishlists.

I have been a cam model who takes an interest in the lives of the members who visit me. I want them to go out into the world and meet real life women. I have never fed member's feelings for me. Guess what though? All the member's who seemed like they might develop feelings for me moved onto other camgirls once they realised it wouldn't happen with me. They'd go and find a model who they felt they might stand a chance with and would remain in that cycle. All the time and effort I've spent trying to help members work on their real life relationships has gone to waste. It's not just that it's not our responsibility to try and counsel them and help them with their lives, it's actually a complete and utter waste of time on our parts to even try. And yes, many models do try. It has been said on this thread but can be said many more times: Members are not children incapable of making their own decisions. They have made their decisions. Who is anyone else to say those decisions are wrong?

At the end of the day people are not designed to be alone, part of the service that camgirls provide members is helping that loneliness. Sometimes that goes as far as giving the guy a girl to dream about. It's a fantasy, some people like living in fantasy, many are willing to pay good money to stop the illusion from being shattered. Members who visit camsites frequently aren't really looking for someone in real life. They may like the idea of it but they've chosen to go somewhere that it's not a possibility.

Also, there are lots of different types of members. You cannot pigeon hole thousands of people into a couple of groups. It's like saying everyone who watches tv is lonely and sad.

 

[DudeExtreme]

As one who was thought of as a "whale tipper" I have no regrets. MFC is for entertainment only not to taken for a dating site. in fact one model with told me I can freeload for five months with that tip I gave which might have lasted 3 days for me.

There was only one model who truly hurt me. She was NOT a ACF model by the way. I was able to show my grief and there was an outpour of support coming from ACF and other models reminding me that model gives a bad name to cam models everywhere and is not a typical model. I am extremely proud of the ACF models. They will always have my back

 

[SNATCH]

Rude Boy: I agree and no one has suggested otherwise bitch.

Dear "deezNA" Again the straw man fallacy. I am speaking of MFCs. I don't know where you work or what you do but I am not interested in any "bitch talk". One of the things I liked best about MFCs was that I did not have to deal with guys like you. Most of the guys and models were decent people.

No one said ANYTHING about performers feeling guilty about getting tipped and tipped well. I like a few of them and did indeed tip them well. I even sent a poor Ukrainian model $100 via West Union cause her fucking country is dirt poor and being invaded by Russia. I don't even go to the fucking site but still send tips via a friend who still does. Why? because the models were cool and ethical, something that you don't seem to understand. How do you explain that ? Your accusation is again misleading and total bullshit. I am not saying models are legally responsible for their clients actions. I am suggesting that they consider the effect they have on others. Your obsequious, ass kissing to other models is manipulative and annoys me.

Rude Boy < can't stand whiney manipulative bitches male or female

Maybe you should heed your own damn 'advice' fuckface. (That's for calling her a bitch) That's my reply to your bullshit about 'considering the effect they have on others'. Maybe you should be less of a doucheyfuckbag, && consider the effect that your senseless ridiculous bullshit drivel has on the models of this forum? Not to mention some of the members.

Your dumbassness, lack of manners && respect for anyone but yourself is stupid, && irritates me, && probably most models here.

SNATCH < can't stand disrespectful little dicked males who think their shit doesn't stink.

 

[GracieHart]

Maybe you should heed your own damn 'advice' fuckface.

This is probably a little off topic but I love the term "fuckface" and it's use was so warranted here. Made me laugh so thanks Snatch :-D

 

[Lorelei]

Man, I'd love it if RudeBoy would pick up the song right about here...

Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go,
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth...

P.S. Deez is a man. A rather good-looking one at that. And not a bitch.

 

[SNATCH]

I literally just LOL'ed out loud. My bad. I actually saw that earlier, cause I remember seeing his avi as I scrolled down. Oops! Sorry Deez! I've been awake for over 24 hours, can't sleep, so I'm pretty much fucking delirious at this point.

 

[EdenUk]

Blah this guy :hand:

I'm a cam girl, an online friend and some form of entertainment not your mummy!

What an ass hat.

 

[Lilith Vine]

Maybe you should heed your own damn 'advice' fuckface.

This is probably a little off topic but I love the term "fuckface" and it's use was so warranted here. Made me laugh so thanks Snatch :-D

I use fuckface on a daily basis. Glad to see others do too

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Personally, the way I do my business is rather simple! I subtly convince my regulars that they can never find a real life woman, and that no woman can compare to me, with mind-control techniques.

It may LOOK like I'm just making fart jokes, but it's totally mind control. :thumbleft:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Personally, the way I do my business is rather simple! I subtly convince my regulars that they can never find a real life woman, and that no woman can compare to me, with mind-control techniques.

It may LOOK like I'm just making fart jokes, but it's totally mind control. :thumbleft:

I knew it!

 

[Worship Jaclyn]

Best thread take over ever. Well done guys

 

[SaffronBurke]

Personally, the way I do my business is rather simple! I subtly convince my regulars that they can never find a real life woman, and that no woman can compare to me, with mind-control techniques.

It may LOOK like I'm just making fart jokes, but it's totally mind control. :thumbleft:

How could you? Perving on you has ruined me! :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:

 

[DeezNA]

P.S. Deez is a man. A rather good-looking one at that. And not a bitch.

 

[ScarletRaven]

Maybe you should heed your own damn 'advice' fuckface.

This is probably a little off topic but I love the term "fuckface" and it's use was so warranted here. Made me laugh so thanks Snatch :-D

Yes me too! Sometimes using fuckface, asshat or assjacket (when really necessary) feels so good and is perfect!

 

[RudeBoy]

Bohemian Rhapsody...a classic and great karaoke song but not really a response to the question of model's responsibility to fans.

Deez: I know UR a guy but like I said U need to be bitch slapped a few times. Your posts fail big time on any intellectual scale for these reasons:
1) You deliberately misquote and misinterpret what I say
2) You then post a whiney rebuttal
3) Then you post a few lines praising models in general as IF you are defending them from someone who is attacking them. You are one manipulative bitch, I'll give U that. U have all of the sycophants behind you including the host of this forum.

The simple fact remains that some models can and do exploit members by lying and manipulating. If people like Deez the bitch, think that's ok then he is the societal parasite I said he was. Most of the rest of you have revealed your lack of ability to respond directly to my inquiry and really have no substance in your replies. If you want to have the morals of a street whore then that is your choice...even you Deez. I have NEVER suggested that models should not be tipped well as "bitch" has alleged. I have NEVER suggested that models should be therapist or babysitters or are responsible for their fan's actions. Oh yes Deez, This might interest you. Freddie Mercury, singer from "Queen" and Bohemian Rhapsody, died from AIDS from taking it up the ass a bit too much without protection. Be careful bitch!

I'll continue to correspond with the cool (and ethical) models I met at MFC. For the rest of you I leave this quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU :lol:

Rude Boy < bored

 

[LilyEvans]

I'm having a hard time taking U seriously when U insist on typing the way U do.

> Lily

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Oh yes Deez, This might interest you. Freddie Mercury, singer from "Queen" and Bohemian Rhapsody, died from AIDS from taking it up the ass a bit too much without protection. Be careful bitch!

Too fucking far dude...

I shouldn't be doing this as it's pretty clear at this point that you're just an idiot troll, emphasis on the "idiot" part, but hey, lets bullet point it for you for fun-

- Deez is actually a cam model so no he is not sucking up to us, he is talking from personal experience.
- I don't think you can say anything to anyone about not knowing how to quote...
- From how I read things Deez quoted perfectly. Maybe re-read your post. He quoted things you say, it's hard to mis quote you comparing models to drug dealers.
- You pretty much are attacking cam models.
- A few cam models amongst thousands do deliberately manipulate members in unethical ways. It's not common, it doesn't happen to every guy and it is a big deal.
- Being a bunch of models who've never manipulated anyone (nor do we have contact with models who do) we don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
- In a sense all models manipulate and lie. It is part of our fucking job. Lets face it guys, I keep a bottle of lube next to my webcam. I'm not literally dripping wet while sitting in front of my laptop not touching myself. Thats fan-tas-y.
- "You" has three letters in it, it's not like "I", U is a shit abbreviation and makes you look retarded.

Moral of the story is don't judge thousands of people who don't have anything to do with each other just because someone else in their line of work is an arsehole. That's like being ripped off by a sales person, or hearing that it's happened, then going up to customer services of a totally different company and bitching to them about it, asking every other sales person about their ethics. You'll find a fuck lot more unethical behaviour in sales than you ever do on camsites. Having been someone who's worked both I can say that's my experience. You get lied and manipulated more by advertising and people in real life than you ever will be by a camgirl. It's pretty easy not to be drawn in by models in this way, take everything with a pinch of salt and don't go looking for a wife in camland. Aka- see the title "myfreecams" not "e-harmony" and accept it for what it is.

 

[MintyFlowers]

Bohemian Rhapsody...a classic and great karaoke song but not really a response to the question of model's responsibility to fans.

Deez: I know UR a guy but like I said U need to be bitch slapped a few times. Your posts fail big time on any intellectual scale for these reasons:
1) You deliberately misquote and misinterpret what I say
2) You then post a whiney rebuttal
3) Then you post a few lines praising models in general as IF you are defending them from someone who is attacking them. You are one manipulative bitch, I'll give U that. U have all of the sycophants behind you including the host of this forum.

The simple fact remains that some models can and do exploit members by lying and manipulating. If people like Deez the bitch, think that's ok then he is the societal parasite I said he was. Most of the rest of you have revealed your lack of ability to respond directly to my inquiry and really have no substance in your replies. If you want to have the morals of a street whore then that is your choice...even you Deez. I have NEVER suggested that models should not be tipped well as "bitch" has alleged. I have NEVER suggested that models should be therapist or babysitters or are responsible for their fan's actions. Oh yes Deez, This might interest you. Freddie Mercury, singer from "Queen" and Bohemian Rhapsody, died from AIDS from taking it up the ass a bit too much without protection. Be careful bitch!

I'll continue to correspond with the cool (and ethical) models I met at MFC. For the rest of you I leave this quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU :lol:

Rude Boy < bored

You are subhuman trash; I'm sure you'e really proud that you live up to your name though. Enjoy your boring and lonely life on trolling the underneath the bridges of the internet.

PS learn to take a hint. You're only here to spew vile filth and obviously not interested in any sort of intellectual discourse. You're excused from the forum. May I suggest /r9k/ on 4chan?

 

[AerynShade]

P.S. Deez is a man. A rather good-looking one at that. And not a bitch.

This just keeps making me laugh every time I look at it. Oh, Deez, never change.

 

[EdenUk]

The simple fact remains that some models can and do exploit members by lying and manipulating. If people like Deez the bitch, think that's ok then he is the societal parasite I said he was. Most of the rest of you have revealed your lack of ability to respond directly to my inquiry and really have no substance in your replies. If you want to have the morals of a street whore then that is your choice...even you Deez. I have NEVER suggested that models should not be tipped well as "bitch" has alleged. I have NEVER suggested that models should be therapist or babysitters or are responsible for their fan's actions. Oh yes Deez, This might interest you.

"don't accept huge tips from him if u know he can't afford it. Encourage him to date in real life. Help him to grow up."
This is quoted from your original post. This would be taking on the role as a therapist or a mother. Why should we as cam girls, just doing our job, help a man who has come to us for entertainment/porn or whatever help him grow?
Nobody in this world should help anyone grow other than our parents. As a responsible adult it's upto the guy who finds himself in this situation to help himself grow. So yes, indirectly you have suggested that we provide some type of therapy or become responsible for their actions.
Because how can we on the other end of the camsite physically stop anyone from tipping us when they can't afford it.

What makes you a true idiot in my opinion is your questioning the ethics and morals of a cam girl, have you questioned the morals and ethics of some of the guys who come to us?

- The guy that comes into our rooms and sits there freeloading day after day and has never tipped that continues to take the entertainment from the models room, take a free cumshow that others have paid for. Night after night the same damn guy. Is that right? Is that fair? No it's not.

- The idiots that arrive in our room demanding we strip instantly, fuck our bed posts, fuck our dogs, stick our heads up our own arse. Is this someone with morals? I don't think so.

- The guys that are so insecure (like yourself) that feel the need to insult, put down or make the models feel like utter shit. Ethics? Morals? Nope, none.

Seen as your bored and I am now bored from hearing your uneducated posts, let's look into some immoral and unethical aspects outside of camming.

- Fast food restaurants. Day in and day out they watch obese people walk in and out buying their fatty burgers and chips. The cashier can see this person is possibly obese but they still serve them the burger and chips. They know full well they are contributing to their potential heart attacks and clogged arteries. In fact some restaurants may also become manipulative bitches and try to cross sell some sides, knowing full well they are harming the customer.
Maybe next time your in a fast food restaurant you could give them the same "lecture" on morals that you gave us?

- Gambling establishments. Again they see the same guy come in every single day. He comes in daytime which could potentially indicate he doesn't have a job. He spends allot of money each day gambling. The cashier has no idea what this guys finances are like, she has no right to question that either. (Just like us cam girls don't).
They still allow him to spend hundreds each day without restricting his use. Unless he states to them he has a gambling problem, they cannot restrict him. (Just like us cam girls can't). And even if he did state he had a gambling problem, by law the establishment must ban him from that shop (which most of us would ban a guy upon request) he can still visit the other gambling shop, 3 doors down. (Just like a guy can be banned from our room and still visit the girl 3 doors down).
Unless the gambling guy was to take responsibility to stop gambling altogether. (Which the guys in our room are more than capable of doing themselves).

- Pubs (or any alcohol related establishment). Same guy visits each day and drinks on average 10 pints of beer, which is enough to get him quite drunk. His spending quite a bit of money and clearly has a drinking problem.
The barmaid who is serving this man is contributing to the damage of his liver. She is putting him in potential life danger by handing him the pint. She may even contribute to his wife giving him a beating at home daily, by handing him the pint.
Is she immoral? Is she unethical? Or is she just doing her damn job?

I hope my lengthy post has possibly opened your eyes up and cured your boredom RudeBoy.

 

[RubyDimples]

When I first started to cam I noticed there were all sorts of men and different reasons why they used the site. Some are there for the social aspect, others are there to bust a nut and some are there for the sheer entertainment of it all. How do you join a site like MyFreeCams and not be aware of how it works? You enjoy a model, go for a service they offer and you tip them. This is all YOUR decision making and nobody has a gun to your head!

Honest to god its accountability and self control.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Misogyny and homophobia are fantastic standbys for when trolling without creativity.

 

[LilLitaRose]

Bohemian Rhapsody...a classic and great karaoke song but not really a response to the question of model's responsibility to fans.

Deez: I know UR a guy but like I said U need to be bitch slapped a few times. Your posts fail big time on any intellectual scale for these reasons:
1) You deliberately misquote and misinterpret what I say
2) You then post a whiney rebuttal
3) Then you post a few lines praising models in general as IF you are defending them from someone who is attacking them. You are one manipulative bitch, I'll give U that. U have all of the sycophants behind you including the host of this forum.

The simple fact remains that some models can and do exploit members by lying and manipulating. If people like Deez the bitch, think that's ok then he is the societal parasite I said he was. Most of the rest of you have revealed your lack of ability to respond directly to my inquiry and really have no substance in your replies. If you want to have the morals of a street whore then that is your choice...even you Deez. I have NEVER suggested that models should not be tipped well as "bitch" has alleged. I have NEVER suggested that models should be therapist or babysitters or are responsible for their fan's actions. Oh yes Deez, This might interest you. Freddie Mercury, singer from "Queen" and Bohemian Rhapsody, died from AIDS from taking it up the ass a bit too much without protection. Be careful bitch!

I'll continue to correspond with the cool (and ethical) models I met at MFC. For the rest of you I leave this quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU :lol:

Rude Boy < bored

Oh no. You found us all out.
However we will live.
We're horrible horrible human beings.
Woe is us.

 

[Teagan]

What makes you a true idiot in my opinion is your questioning the ethics and morals of a cam girl, have you questioned the morals and ethics of some of the guys who come to us?

This got me thinking quiet a bit. The amount of scammer or unethical models is few and far between the members who are demanding, asshole, or begging members. Like 90 to 1. We get how many guys who come in and freeload, beg, or demand without a single tip or word sometimes even. The models however who scam never last as word gets around and they flame out once no one tips anymore. And if she's being unethical in some way word again gets around and she doesnt last and she moves on. The members however just go room to room night after night doing the same unethical scammy behavior. They never move on really as they just go on to the next girl and try shit with her then.
So Rudeboy since the members are by far the most unethical of the bunch maybe you should go around to them instead of us. Im sure you'll get real far with that too. :lol:

Many times the model encourages it and exploits it. I think this is shitty behavior. :naughty: ( This did not happen to me but nearly did)

This part you originally said got to me too. For one no not many models encourage or exploit it. We have a much better handle and grasp and knowledge of what other models are doing than you will ever have and let me tell you for a fact this could not be farther from the truth. Those of us who have no desire to meet with members clearly make that known. We have it in profiles we are digital fun only, we tell every guy who asks if we meet/how much to meet/ and the like that we do not. We are in no way encouraging them. If they choose to ignore those words that is not our fault. If they choose to stay knowing we wont meet that is not us exploiting them. That is them not looking at facts of what was told to them. I am not to blame for members who have gone to far, ever. That's not me being unethical but me acting like an adult and treating another human as one too.

And just fyi we models agonize over this stuff daily sometimes. We dont want members to go into debt for us, nor do we want them to fall in unhealthy emotions or habits because of us. We dont want them to fall in love. And that is why we are so clear that we dont meet when that is the case. Again it's not our fault though if they just don't listen.

Also the ole this almost happened to me tells me exactly why you even came here. Why you are sticking to your guns despite being proven wrong both in logic and ethics. And why you are lashing out at those who dont agree with you. Even to the point of showing homophobic colors and resorting to name calling like a 5 year old. You fell for a camgirl, she didnt return those feelings, and now you wanna blame every camgirl for it. How original you are. Well suck it up buttercup. Im willing to bet you were told flat out it would never happen and ignored that anyway. You wanna date head on over to homophobicsmeet.com and get yourself a match. MFC isn't the place for you. Nor is your new place at streamate so stay off there too.

 

[goldenaye666]

Would be nice if every person was more concerned for others, but most aspects of social responsibility are optional. Can't even count on high ethics from government representatives, certainly don't expect them from a webcam worker.

But that said, some cam site customers will make decisions based on how socially responsible they think a camgirl is. When a camgirl does show more concern for their customers than their average peer in the industry, I'm much more appreciative of them. I don't spend a lot on cam sites, but what I do spend is more likely to go to the type of person who will cut off their high tippers, for example. I've seen customers driven away from performers who may contribute to them spending too much, in favor of performers with either more concern for them or just lower income goals. Customers have a lot of options, so it might be something for models to consider.


Also appreciate the models who do promotions for charities as well. :thumbleft: :thumbleft: for those who do that.

 

[DeezNA]

I think we're pretty much done here, it feels like it's getting a bit repetitive.

I don't spend a lot on cam sites, but what I do spend is more likely to go to the type of person who will cut off their high tippers, for example. I've seen customers driven away from performers who may contribute to them spending too much, in favor of performers with either more concern for them or just lower income goals. Customers have a lot of options, so it might be something for models to consider.

I'm glad someone with more than insecurity issues and a slew of profanities would like to actually discuss the topic; thank you for sharing your feelings.

Income is absolutely considered at all times. We are working; our counts and tips pay our bills, we monitor that constantly. While I do understand that some people may be turned off by tipping excessively and not "feeling appreciated proportionally" for it and, conversely, that customers may appreciate a more even spread of token distribution... however, we have little to no say in this. The important thing to look at is the thought process that occurs behind each scenario.

One appreciates a room that has more than one "heavy-hitter" at a time because it feels like the model is doing a good job. Be that person! If you can't afford to, as a customer, that's your choice and nothing will be held against you. A model cannot make their room rain tokens, if we could we would all be retired by now. Try to be empathetic in moments like this. The model would love it if other people would tip so that the single dominant tipper isn't the only one carrying the room. This is not something that is in the hands of the model, this is entirely in the hands of the customers and the model should not be held accountable for that. Trust me, nothing feels worse than the guilt of having one amazing soul carrying a room of freeloaders for multiple consecutive nights.

One appreciates a model that turns away high tippers because they look humble and appreciative. This does not mean they should not be tipped or the tipper should not tip more, it's a matter of perception. All tips are appreciated, whether explicitly expressed as such or not. A waiter/waitress will also say "I can't take that" to a large tip that they deserve and have earned, it's simply humility and personal choice. This doesn't mean that the model has crossed an ethical boundary by accepting it.

One leaves a model to find someone who has "more concern for them" or lower goals. This ties in with the above, the customer does not feel appreciated, they feel that their services were not exchanged fairly. I cannot speak to specific examples but in most cases this is not exactly the fault of the model. Typically, the customer will tip absurd amounts and expect "special" or "excessive" (meaning beyond the model's comfort zone) treatment. This is simply unfair to the model. We do not accommodate our general business models to each individual customer. We do what we feel comfortable doing and evolve our businesses as we evolve as individuals. We do not owe our customers for showing gratitude for services already provided or *not* providing services that we do not offer (which is usually the case). We do not need to lower our self-worth and income because others feel an obligation to be knights in shining armor and tip themselves into debt. We are accountable for our actions and our business just as much as customers are accountable for their actions, expectations and requests.


While it is incredibly amazing to see models raising money for charity and putting their tips towards a cause (and I highly support this, please do not get me wrong), not every model can financially afford that. Trust me, I would absolutely *LOVE* to raise money for a charity... but the reality is that most of us have bills to pay and mouths to feed. It is awesomely admirable for a model to be selfless enough to work for charity but models who can't afford to do so should not be viewed as ethically "less" simply because they don't have the financial means.


That being said, I'm glad to see there are a few brain cells on the other side of the conversation.

My retort to Rudeboy? I don't really have the time of day to piss away for someone who's too lazy to spell out "you" and I'm really not going to waste any more energy on someone who's idea of fun is a low-grade Jesse Pinkman impersonation with homoerotic overtones. If he wants to play out his dom/sub fantasies with me he can pay for that service just like everyone else.