CamGirl Ethics?

[IsabellaSnow]

While it is incredibly amazing to see models raising money for charity and putting their tips towards a cause (and I highly support this, please do not get me wrong), not every model can financially afford that. Trust me, I would absolutely *LOVE* to raise money for a charity... but the reality is that most of us have bills to pay and mouths to feed. It is awesomely admirable for a model to be selfless enough to work for charity but models who can't afford to do so should not be viewed as ethically "less" simply because they don't have the financial means.

I agree with this. One of the main reasons I started camming was one I never actually told anyone until I started backing away from camming but it was so I had time to continue doing a lot of charity work. I did various different forms and though it wasn't full time it was a part time job. I never told anyone this for several reasons, largely because of privacy reasons, if I told people it'd always lead to questions etc and you could possibly have found me. One of the other reasons was I did this work for myself and no one else. I felt really weird about the idea of letting people know. The first member I told had continuously said shit to me about being lazy not camming enough and had implied I was selfish for not donating money to charity etc in comparison with other camgirls who do charity nights. It used to infuriate me. Eventually after a long time I said something, and of course he questioned the type of work I was doing, tried to get the name of the charity out of me etc. Girls doing fundraisers on cam for charity is amazing, respect to those girls, but never assume that if you don't see a camgirl doing these things that it doesn't happen, or won't happen in future.

You know what's particularly irritating about members questioning camgirls ethics and telling us that we should put more effort into caring for members is literally camgirls spend an enormous amount of time caring about and worrying about members, trying to help them with their lives, keeping up to date with how they're doing, getting upset when they find out they're having a hard time, have started to form feelings for them or are in trouble financially. If you ever looked at the models only section you would see multiple threads where models are voicing these concerns and asking for help on how they can look after their members and make sure no one gets hurt.

Doing these things is not a camgirls job or responsibility, it never has been and it never will be. Most camgirls go above and beyond their job title. Camming is a lonely job and we do get emotionally involved with our members and genuinely try and help them. It takes the piss to have someone waltz in and act like this is their right and we're not doing enough when we're already going above and beyond.

Guys moaning about this shit... It's like going to a counsellor and getting your hour appointment that you paid for and then getting annoyed that the counsellor hasn't followed you up and checked you're ok and otherwise try and help you fix your life, basically going above and beyond their job role (all for freeee!). Nope, they've encouraged you to book in another session instead! Dam that unethical counsellor rubbing their greedy mits together trying to exploit you for your money!

 

[mynameisbob84]

Guys moaning about this shit... It's like going to a counsellor and getting your hour appointment that you paid for and then getting annoyed that the counsellor hasn't followed you up and checked you're ok and otherwise try and help you fix your life, basically going above and beyond their job role (all for freeee!). Nope, they've encouraged you to book in another session instead! Dam that unethical counsellor rubbing their greedy mits together trying to exploit you for your money!

I don't disagree with this at all but it does bring to light one of the many borderline paradoxes found in camland. The above analogy paints cams as a strictly professional service that stresses paid interaction over heartfelt friendship, which is a perfectly reasonable way to view cams and one that would probably lead to less butthurt-ness like that displayed by the OP. But, if all members viewed camsites that way, we probably wouldn't be here discussing this right now because they wouldn't be anywhere near as big as they've become.

The reason that sites like MFC generate as much money as they do, and the top models are tipped as much as they are, is because the members that tip them those obscene amounts of money have come to care about them on a personal level, a level that transcends the traditional customer/service provider paradigm. It's a double-edged sword, innit. There's obviously a middle ground, where models and members can legitimately care for one another without losing sight of what they're both there for and what's expected and hoped for from one another. But either side of that you have bitter members wondering why the model that they've spent thousands of dollars on because he thought they were friends isn't looking out for his financial wellbeing the same way he's looked out for hers, and exasperated models not wanting to babysit needy grown men but being dependent on their tokens to pay the rent at the end of the month.

It's a balancing act for everyone involved and it's kind of ironic that a great part of MFC's success is owed to those members who were/are unable to strike that right balance.




The OP is still a dick though :?

 

[RudeBoy]

Best thread take over ever. Well done guys

YES,, YES,, WELL DONE!!!! Act like a trained seal often "Aria"?

LOL It's me against a bunch of defensive cam girls with too much makeup and one bitch boy. :lol:

So far, perhaps 3 understand my original post and have responded in a cogent manner. The rest seem to be hung up of making excuses, avoiding responsibility while demanding it of fans and whining about the use of "U" vs "you" as if any of you even went beyond HS school. I wonder how many of you will wind up living in trailer parks, with saggy tattoos, herpes, 3 kids and a biker ex who doesn't pay child support? Some of you look like that now. You see, if u live like an unethical pc of shit then you usually destroy yourself....then there is always hell.

Regardless, your responses ARE illuminating and I can assure you that I am giving them all the consideration that they are due) I hope more MFC customers some here and read how compassionate you are.

Rude Boy < like NEO in "MATRIX REVOLUTIONS" holding back the brainless
mechanical squids with the power of his mind

 

[EdenUk]

LOL It's me against a bunch of defensive cam girls with too much makeup and one bitch boy. :lol:

Oh no no.

It's one insecure idiot against a bunch of smart ass girls who have well and truly put you in your place and made you look like more of an idiot than you already are.

I sure hope your morals and ethics are 100% squeaky clean otherwise you may end up living in a trailer park with a bunch of tattoo's with a drug addict as a girlfriend.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I'm beginning to think he's a bible salesman.

 

[AmberCutie]

So far, perhaps 3 understand my original post and have responded in a cogent manner.

I'll answer.

Yes, there are some cam girls who push the boundaries of leading members on to get them to spend more, often too much. It happens. I don't think most of those girls feel any shame or responsibility, and even if they did seek out a forum such as this and see a post such as yours, likely would turn a blind eye at it. They wouldn't be taking advice to be their voice of reason and tell them to stop. It isn't in their nature.


But those kind of cam girls are not, and would not be, on ACF. This is why you're being met with such disagreement, because some of the people here feel like you're saying that we are all like that. We are not. None of us believe it's ok. I feel that the majority of posters are trying to say there's a middle ground (as bob so eloquently explained) and a good portion of us hang out there in the middle. Making friendships that do depend on the cam site's functionality, and some that transcend being tipped at all. Talking with our members and friends like a real human, caring to an extent (some caring beyond the boundary of the Internet and would follow up outside of the site). Majority of us here admit we are on the cam site for the paycheck, but that we do make some wonderful, warm connections in the process that mean a lot to us, even though we keep it "on the internet."

Simple as that.

Now before this just continues to run in circles, and seems to only get a reply or 2 every time it's bumped, I shall lock this and bid you well wishes, unless you care to stick around ACF and partake in other, less heated conversations and topics.