CamGirl Ethics?

[RudeBoy]

Aside from being a middle aged know it all, I do like to observe, analyze and share my conclusions.

I have been to MFC for about 7 months and spent about $2000 if that means anything. I like the fact that models are in control and less likely to be exploited. That said:

I am there primarily for social reasons and have gotten to know many of the guys there. There is a very disturbing phenomenon of guys tipping way more money than they can afford, falling in love, professing said love for the model/asking her to quit etc... and being blown off.

Ladies, MFC seems to have 3 main types of fans. Basics and guests who are there to jerk off and not pay. Lonely or needy men who simply want attention for a pretty girl and pervs who want to satisfy their fantasies. The first group should be limited to 5 minutes in a room. They are freeloaders. The pervs are usually there generally as consumers and do not get as emotionally involved. They are the ones U can treat as customers only. These lonely guys seem to be generally white middle aged guys usually with decent jobs but not equipped to deal with females in real life. I have dealt with so many who are "addicted" to their model like heroin, unable to break away. Many times the model encourages it and exploits it. I think this is shitty behavior. :naughty: ( This did not happen to me but nearly did)

If a guy falls for you remember HE has feelings too just like you. Let him down easy. Tell him you enjoy his company but can only be his online girl and not real life lover. If U really have a heart, don't accept huge tips from him if u know he can't afford it. Encourage him to date in real life. Help him to grow up. It's not just about getting as many tokens as possible. Also, many models say: "Oh many of these guys are my friends". Except for a few that you can really trust and verify who they are, you can't really be friends with them in any real sense. It's not safe. As one poster said here 2 yrs ago..."I don't have to pay my friends to talk to me".

I don't go to MFCs anymore because I am more interested in knowing the models and their lives (mainly foreign ones) rather than perving. The setup makes that difficult to do because it IS a sex site and not really safe for them. I like the social atmosphere but not the "pay for friend" aspect. I currently am email friends with a few I met there and socialize away from MFCs. (since I am so trustworthy)

So that's my observation of MFC. Feel free to opine.

Rude Boy: Knows damn near everything about health, health care, medicine, science, religion, politics, life, people, relationships, teaching, computer hardware and other stuff. Knows nothing about: fashion, being polite, cameras, modern art, jewelry, shoes, poetry, humility, zombie and vampire TV shows or Game of Thrones.

 

[GweenBlack]

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[TicTacToe]

A cam girl is not a therapist and shouldn't have to function as anybody's parents or a substitute for a conscience.

I think a cam girl who doesn't exploit a guy who loves her is a better person that a cam girl that does exploit it. But I do not think it is her obligation to reject tips or to encourage a member to date so he can break away from her. Especially if this member is providing an important part of her income.

I also do not think it is her place to judge what a member can and cannot spend. We are all adults on MFC and each person is accountable for his/her actions and his/her wallet.

 

[JickyJuly]

For the record, I (and most decent humans) agree that anyone actively taking advantage of the emotions another person sucks as a person. The rest of what you've said has been talked to death. But, I'm going to call you out on this little piece of nonsense-

If a guy falls for you remember HE has feelings too just like you. Let him down easy. Tell him you enjoy his company but... Encourage him to date in real life. Help him to grow up.

Women and girls are told from a young age to tend to the feelings of men. Be nice. Worry about him. Help him. It's a way to keep women from putting themselves in the driver's seat and worrying about their own feelings. This line of thinking, in my opinion, is much more dehumanizing/objectifying than anything that happens on MFC. Camsites are for adults. Adults should regulate their own emotions. If a dude doesn't know how to take his big boy pants off and put them back on without the help of a woman, he doesn't need to be on a porn site.

 

[Sansa]

Camming is a form of entertainment. Some people gamble too much, some buy too many video games, some shop too much, some eat too much, the list goes on and on. At what point do we say it's the fault of the casino, the gameshop, the stores, the food, instead of pinpointing the one commonality in this all, the individual at hand spending the money?

A model is not there for financial advice, therapy, or to be a digital bride. Yes, some models are going to ask for tips. Some posters are going to tell you to go see a movie. A card shark is always going to ask if you want to go all in. But ultimately, it is up to the consumer as to what he does with his funds.

That said, if a model encourages a member to be a little more responsible, she might find that he stays around for a longer amount of time rather than needing to avoid cam sites entirely. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Worship Jaclyn]

Is it just me or is it a bit strange seeing someone be condescending yet unable to type out the word 'you'?

 

[mynameisbob84]

I don't disagree with any of this - yes, camland is a weird place; yes, many guys become obsessed with models and spend more money than they can probably afford to on them; yes, the relationships that are forged there (whether you believe them to be legitimate friendships or not) are not remotely comparable to real-world friendships; yes, some members are sad and lonely old men; and yes, some models are manipulative pooheads- but it's a bit like saying public transport is bad because sometimes the bus crashes into the petrol station and explodes in a fiery death-bang, ya know?

If you believe in things like personal accountability and are blessed with common sense though, cams are pretty cool. Just don't tip more than you can afford to, don't make the mistake of thinking about cam girls in romantic terms (and if you do develop feelings for a cam girl that you know won't ever be requited - and 99% of the time they won't be - then do the sensible thing: politely explain the situation and move on), and if you ever feel like a model is pushing you to tip her more than you can afford to, then just walk away. If you do all that, you can't really go far wrong.

 

[LilLitaRose]

I think you're kind of forgetting that there is a type of fan in the world, (not just camland), that enjoys a woman having control of his fiances, and spending all his money on her. Financial Domination is a very popular sub market within the sex worker world. When I was doing phone sex, a few of my callers were Finsubs. The difference in being a good FinDomme and not, is having access to these guys accounts. (Most of the time, these guys create an account to put money into to be "controlled". If they don't, it makes it easier for the Domme to figure out).

With that said, you could counter propose this argument to any form of entertainment. Playing video games, watching movies.
I understand it sucks when a person is taken for a ride, but, there's also gotta be a level of personal responsibility. If there is an addiction, then, we as the "product", cannot stop him. That's the problem with addictions. It's up to the person to realize, "Well fuck, I got a problem", and try to fix it.
You ever told an alcoholic they have a problem? Most of the time their responses are, "No I don't", or "I know", and do nothing to fix it, until they themselves realize they need to, or have power to.
I could tell a guy, "Hey you're spending too much money on me". He'll drop me and go to the next model. That's just how addiction works.

Jicky was pretty correct that a lot of these guys need to take personal responsibility. Every one does.

If this has happened to anyone on this post, I am sorry you got hurt. It sucks that it happens, and I wish I could do more than offer words over the net, but I feel that's the best I can do. I hope things are better for you.

 

[DeezNA]

I'm sorry, this is all pretty fucking ridiculous, in my opinion.

People wouldn't come to camsites in the first place if they didn't feel lonely, be it sexual or not. Saying that a model is taking advantage of their voluntary customers' emotions is just plain disrespectful, not just to the models but to the customers.

People seek entertainment of any kind to fill a void in their life. You watch comedies when you're sad, you listen to music to heal or enhance any kind of mood, you watch porn when you're horny, you watch horror/suspense movies when you want an adrenaline rush. These are *ALL* capitalizing on human emotions and it's a *beautiful* thing.

Cam models span all aspects of entertainment, from non-nude companionship or even theater to full-hardcore couple shows and more. To put us all in a box and say we all need to do one thing or another or follow the same code of ethics and morals is not only limiting but, given the obvious statistics of how many diverse types of models have gain popularity, is simply blatantly false.

Camsites are adult entertainment. What that entails is entirely up to what the model feels comfortable providing. If you, as a customer, appreciate the services that the model provides, you are expected to compensate them. If the customer wants to compensate more than is expected, that is entirely up to the customer and is in no way the responsibility or fault of the model. How much they get attached is entirely on them, how they react to that attachment is entirely on them and how much they drain their bank account is entirely on them. Models are NOT responsible for a customer's distorted perception of reality, we are responsible for doing our jobs the best we possibly can. That's kinda like saying it's John Lennon's fault for getting shot by a deranged fan; if only he had made shittier/different music...

I love getting to know my regulars. I love providing a venue where my customers can come and vent their frustrations, discuss life, look for advice and ultimately feel comfortable; I highly encourage it. Other models accommodate to pure sexuality, I accommodate to intimacy, compassion, sensuality and comedy. It's a personality and comfort level thing and, frankly, I am a little offended that models of my ilk are considered less legitimate than models who go full hardcore. We simply provide a different side of the same service.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we all work in the business of catering to loneliness. So do therapists, bartenders, dating sites, night clubs, etc. It's not exploitation, it's doing our fucking job.

......Get off my lawn.

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm sorry, this is all pretty fucking ridiculous, in my opinion.

People wouldn't come to camsites in the first place if they didn't feel lonely, be it sexual or not. Saying that a model is taking advantage of their voluntary customers' emotions is just plain disrespectful, not just to the models but to the customers.

People seek entertainment of any kind to fill a void in their life. You watch comedies when you're sad, you listen to music to heal or enhance any kind of mood, you watch porn when you're horny, you watch horror/suspense movies when you want an adrenaline rush. These are *ALL* capitalizing on human emotions and it's a *beautiful* thing.

Cam models span all aspects of entertainment, from non-nude companionship or even theater to full-hardcore couple shows and more. To put us all in a box and say we all need to do one thing or another or follow the same code of ethics and morals is not only limiting but, given the obvious statistics of how many diverse types of models have gain popularity, is simply blatantly false.

Camsites are adult entertainment. What that entails is entirely up to what the model feels comfortable providing. If you, as a customer, appreciate the services that the model provides, you are expected to compensate them. If the customer wants to compensate more than is expected, that is entirely up to the customer and is in no way the responsibility or fault of the model. How much they get attached is entirely on them, how they react to that attachment is entirely on them and how much they drain their bank account is entirely on them. Models are NOT responsible for a customer's distorted perception of reality, we are responsible for doing our jobs the best we possibly can. That's kinda like saying it's John Lennon's fault for getting shot by a deranged fan; if only he had made shittier/different music...

I love getting to know my regulars. I love providing a venue where my customers can come and vent their frustrations, discuss life, look for advice and ultimately feel comfortable; I highly encourage it. Other models accommodate to pure sexuality, I accommodate to intimacy, compassion, sensuality and comedy. It's a personality and comfort level thing and, frankly, I am a little offended that models of my ilk are considered less legitimate than models who go full hardcore. We simply provide a different side of the same service.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we all work in the business of catering to loneliness. So do therapists, bartenders, dating sites, night clubs, etc. It's not exploitation, it's doing our fucking job.

......Get off my lawn.

 

[SatanJonez]

I'm sorry, this is all pretty fucking ridiculous, in my opinion.

People wouldn't come to camsites in the first place if they didn't feel lonely, be it sexual or not. Saying that a model is taking advantage of their voluntary customers' emotions is just plain disrespectful, not just to the models but to the customers.

People seek entertainment of any kind to fill a void in their life. You watch comedies when you're sad, you listen to music to heal or enhance any kind of mood, you watch porn when you're horny, you watch horror/suspense movies when you want an adrenaline rush. These are *ALL* capitalizing on human emotions and it's a *beautiful* thing.

Cam models span all aspects of entertainment, from non-nude companionship or even theater to full-hardcore couple shows and more. To put us all in a box and say we all need to do one thing or another or follow the same code of ethics and morals is not only limiting but, given the obvious statistics of how many diverse types of models have gain popularity, is simply blatantly false.

Camsites are adult entertainment. What that entails is entirely up to what the model feels comfortable providing. If you, as a customer, appreciate the services that the model provides, you are expected to compensate them. If the customer wants to compensate more than is expected, that is entirely up to the customer and is in no way the responsibility or fault of the model. How much they get attached is entirely on them, how they react to that attachment is entirely on them and how much they drain their bank account is entirely on them. Models are NOT responsible for a customer's distorted perception of reality, we are responsible for doing our jobs the best we possibly can. That's kinda like saying it's John Lennon's fault for getting shot by a deranged fan; if only he had made shittier/different music...

I love getting to know my regulars. I love providing a venue where my customers can come and vent their frustrations, discuss life, look for advice and ultimately feel comfortable; I highly encourage it. Other models accommodate to pure sexuality, I accommodate to intimacy, compassion, sensuality and comedy. It's a personality and comfort level thing and, frankly, I am a little offended that models of my ilk are considered less legitimate than models who go full hardcore. We simply provide a different side of the same service.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we all work in the business of catering to loneliness. So do therapists, bartenders, dating sites, night clubs, etc. It's not exploitation, it's doing our fucking job.

......Get off my lawn.

You...you I like. Very, VERY well said.

 

[RudeBoy]

A cam girl is not a therapist and shouldn't have to function as anybody's parents or a substitute for a conscience.

I think a cam girl who doesn't exploit a guy who loves her is a better person that a cam girl that does exploit it. But I do not think it is her obligation to reject tips or to encourage a member to date so he can break away from her. Especially if this member is providing an important part of her income.

I also do not think it is her place to judge what a member can and cannot spend. We are all adults on MFC and each person is accountable for his/her actions and his/her wallet.

OK let's follow this logic. example #1: If I was a bartender in a high end club I might make $1000/night. Let's say someone YOU love was in there alone, tipping me and drunk off their ass. Should I be like most of you here?? In other words should I say: " Well she is drunk off their ass but tipping me so I will continue to serve her cause, well you know, I need the money and like, umm it's not my responsibility. Then watch them stumble out of the place with some scumbag guy not knowing if they got date raped, arrested, in an accident or what?

Yes it IS the exact same thing.

RudeBoy

 

[ACFFAN69]

A cam girl is not a therapist and shouldn't have to function as anybody's parents or a substitute for a conscience.

I think a cam girl who doesn't exploit a guy who loves her is a better person that a cam girl that does exploit it. But I do not think it is her obligation to reject tips or to encourage a member to date so he can break away from her. Especially if this member is providing an important part of her income.

I also do not think it is her place to judge what a member can and cannot spend. We are all adults on MFC and each person is accountable for his/her actions and his/her wallet.

OK let's follow this logic. example #1: If I was a bartender in a high end club I might make $1000/night. Let's say someone YOU love was in there alone, tipping me and drunk off their ass. Should I be like most of you here?? In other words should I say: " Well she is drunk off their ass but tipping me so I will continue to serve her cause, well you know, I need the money and like, umm it's not my responsibility. Then watch them stumble out of the place with some scumbag guy not knowing if they got date raped, arrested, in an accident or what?

Yes it IS the exact same thing.

RudeBoy

Totally the same thing. :roll:

 

[RudeBoy]

""Women and girls are told from a young age to tend to the feelings of men. Be nice. Worry about him. Help him. It's a way to keep women from putting themselves in the driver's seat and worrying about their own feelings. This line of thinking, in my opinion, is much more dehumanizing/objectifying than anything that happens on MFC. Camsites are for adults. Adults should regulate their own emotions. If a dude doesn't know how to take his big boy pants off and put them back on without the help of a woman, he doesn't need to be on a porn site.""

What country do you live in? American women are by far the most liberated and empowered in the world. The majority of females I know are emasculating ball busters demanding things from their BFs. Only the girls with low self esteem kiss guy's asses. So let's follow YOUR logic:

I date a girl. She kisses my ass. I eventually take her for granted. Then I pressure her to do threesomes with me and group sex with my friends while I date other women. She agrees cause she loves me. She IS an adult. I justify my actions paraphrasing your words: "Adults should regulate their own emotions. If a girl doesn't know how to *handle herself* without me helping her then she doesn't need to be Dating.""

Nice, isn't it?

 

[RudeBoy]

Camming is a form of entertainment. Some people gamble too much, some buy too many video games, some shop too much, some eat too much, the list goes on and on. At what point do we say it's the fault of the casino, the gameshop, the stores, the food, instead of pinpointing the one commonality in this all, the individual at hand spending the money?

A model is not there for financial advice, therapy, or to be a digital bride. Yes, some models are going to ask for tips. Some posters are going to tell you to go see a movie. A card shark is always going to ask if you want to go all in. But ultimately, it is up to the consumer as to what he does with his funds.

That said, if a model encourages a member to be a little more responsible, she might find that he stays around for a longer amount of time rather than needing to avoid cam sites entirely. :twocents-02cents:

Not a bad post. So is it better to be an enabler like the drug dealer, bartender, BF or GF who keeps exploiting another's addiction or weakness or try to be a decent human being?

RudeBoy

 

[PunkInDrublic]

""Women and girls are told from a young age to tend to the feelings of men. Be nice. Worry about him. Help him. It's a way to keep women from putting themselves in the driver's seat and worrying about their own feelings. This line of thinking, in my opinion, is much more dehumanizing/objectifying than anything that happens on MFC. Camsites are for adults. Adults should regulate their own emotions. If a dude doesn't know how to take his big boy pants off and put them back on without the help of a woman, he doesn't need to be on a porn site.""

What country do you live in? American women are by far the most liberated and empowered in the world. The majority of females I know are emasculating ball busters demanding things from their BFs. Only the girls with low self esteem kiss guy's asses. So let's follow YOUR logic:

I date a girl. She kisses my ass. I eventually take her for granted. Then I pressure her to do threesomes with me and group sex with my friends while I date other women. She agrees cause she loves me. She IS an adult. I justify my actions paraphrasing your words: "Adults should regulate their own emotions. If a girl doesn't know how to *handle herself* without me helping her then she doesn't need to be Dating.""

Nice, isn't it?

You forgot to sign your post fella, how are we going to know whose post it is?!?

 

[ramblin]

Not a bad post. So is it better to be an enabler like the drug dealer, bartender, BF or GF who keeps exploiting another's addiction or weakness or try to be a decent human being?

Yes, clearly the world would be a better place if there were no things that anyone could become obsessed with, like movies, music, food, sports, people, animals, nature. I'll get right on removing all that and building up a sterile concrete universe for you.

Wait, is there a concrete fetish?

 

[TicTacToe]

OK let's follow this logic. example #1: If I was a bartender in a high end club I might make $1000/night. Let's say someone YOU love was in there alone, tipping me and drunk off their ass. Should I be like most of you here?? In other words should I say: " Well she is drunk off their ass but tipping me so I will continue to serve her cause, well you know, I need the money and like, umm it's not my responsibility. Then watch them stumble out of the place with some scumbag guy not knowing if they got date raped, arrested, in an accident or what?

Yes it IS the exact same thing.

RudeBoy

These 2 scenarios bear no resemblance so the analogy is void but let's be flexible and play with your idea for mental gymnastics.

There are 3 different problems all scrambled up in your analogy:

Suppose a woman does enter the bar you work in. You serve her some drinks. She gets drunk and she likes you so she tips you large sums of cash. Then she stumbles out of the bar with a scumbag guy. (1) Is the problem the fact that she is intoxicated? (2) Or the way she is tipping you? (3) Or what she does after walking out of the bar?

(1) Suppose your problem is she is drunk. Refusing service to a costumer who is drunk is policy in many bars. But what happens if she comes the next day sober? Should you kick her out again preemptively or will you let her drink again? And what if she continues to come into the bar night after night. At what point could be safe to say that you are taking advantage of her addiction to alcohol?

(2) Now suppose the problem is the tips. Should you give her back the tips she kindly gave you? What happens if you reject her tips and she moves two stools to the right to your coworker's area and tips him instead? Would you expect him to do the same? What if you manage to ban her from the establishment and she ends up going to the bar next door? Will you ban her from every bar in the state?

(3) If the problem is what she does after walking out of the door, are you prepared to follow the lives of every single patron that enters your bar? When is it safe to say it is no longer your problem? Once she walks out? Once she gets into her car? When the alcohol wears off? When she gets home?

Now I invite you to consider the same scenario in another context. Imagine you work at a bar but a different kind of bar, imagine you work at the Genius Bar in an Apple Store. Every day you see the same guy walk into the store and buy something. Whenever there is a release like the new iPhone 6 he is the first one in line to buy it. After watching him for a year you know he must have spent some SERIOUS cash, probably more than any normal person could afford... he doesn't SEEM wealthy so you imagine he must be deep in debt. Should you refuse to sell him the new iMac because of it? What if you sell him the iMac and he goes home and watches rape porn or kid porn using the iMac you sold him? Is it your responsibility or Apple's responsibility what happens after he crosses the door?

In sum: every capable adult is accountable for his actions. You cannot assume big tippers on MFC are all intoxicated or addicted to anything. You can't even pretend to know their circumstances. All of them tip because they ultimately want to. Nobody forces them to tip. Each person is responsible for their finances and if they cannot afford it it is in no way responsibility of the cam model to stop him. If he doesn't stop on his own then he will suffer the consequences of his actions like everyone else.

This is a mentality pervasive in our PC religion: the idea that somehow the logical consequences to actions are "unfair". What I read in your comments is the idea that actions should be stripped from their consequences and if someone screws up then it must be someone else's fault. I invite you to take a hard look at yourself and the world around you. Freedom and responsibility are one and the same.

 

[RudeBoy]

Not a bad post. So is it better to be an enabler like the drug dealer, bartender, BF or GF who keeps exploiting another's addiction or weakness or try to be a decent human being?

Yes, clearly the world would be a better place if there were no things that anyone could become obsessed with, like movies, music, food, sports, people, animals, nature. I'll get right on removing all that and building up a sterile concrete universe for you.

Wait, is there a concrete fetish?

You miss the point. All of the sensual (means simulating the senses..not just sex) pleasures add spice to life. The issue is enabling or exploiting another person's addiction for monetary gain.

Rude Boy < rude, arrogant and self righteous...but I would help any of your sorry asses if needed

 

[DeezNA]

Okay, I'm just gonna put this out here in plain English so nothing can be misinterpreted... so this post will be slightly less eloquently phrased than my last. Fair warning.

All of these analogies are completely null and void. Any substances that our clientele choose to use are their decisions to make and they are responsible for their actions. I'm not even allowed to drink on cam for fuck's sake, I am sure as shit not responsible for you getting shitfaced and making poor decisions. We do not encourage abusive behavior, we do not ALLOW abusive behavior and we do not take responsibility for your decisions that you make for yourself or your feelings. You're a goddamn adult, we're not your parents, guardians or DD's.

We are entertainers. Our job is to entertain, not babysit. Camming is fantasy. We are not your boy/girlfriends, we are not your lovers, we do not force our customers to do anything. Our income is based entirely on the generosity and appreciation of our customers.

I feel that this thread is pushing in the direction that we, as performers, should feel guilty about accepting generosity and appreciation for the work that we do. This is absolute and utter shit. Period.

--Side note to fellow models: if you feel this way, please don't. You work hard and you were tipped for a reason: you earned it. Keep up the good work.--

This is adult entertainment. Our clientele are adults. This does not mean they are responsible, it does not mean they make smart decisions. It *does* mean that they are responsible for their actions. I don't care if they're drunk, high, in lust/love, lonely, desperate, broke, in debt, whatever. Models are NOT responsible for the conscious actions of our regulars or visitors.

End of discussion.

- AttemptingToBePoliteAndRespectfulMan

 

[mutantdonut]

Not a bad post. So is it better to be an enabler like the drug dealer, bartender, BF or GF who keeps exploiting another's addiction or weakness or try to be a decent human being?

RudeBoy

If you really think cam models are enablers, i'd like to challenge you with this...

At what point do you consider it the responsibility of the patron who repeatedly returns to the model's room for more?
It's like, "I know i should stay away, but here i am again"

 

[PunkInDrublic]

 

[RudeBoy]

Okay, I'm just gonna put this out here in plain English so nothing can be misinterpreted... so this post will be slightly less eloquently phrased than my last. Fair warning.

All of these analogies are completely null and void. Any substances that our clientele choose to use are their decisions to make and they are responsible for their actions. I'm not even allowed to drink on cam for fuck's sake, I am sure as shit not responsible for you getting shitfaced and making poor decisions. We do not encourage abusive behavior, we do not ALLOW abusive behavior and we do not take responsibility for your decisions that you make for yourself or your feelings. You're a goddamn adult, we're not your parents, guardians or DD's.

We are entertainers. Our job is to entertain, not babysit. Camming is fantasy. We are not your boy/girlfriends, we are not your lovers, we do not force our customers to do anything. Our income is based entirely on the generosity and appreciation of our customers.

I feel that this thread is pushing in the direction that we, as performers, should feel guilty about accepting generosity and appreciation for the work that we do. This is absolute and utter shit. Period. Rude Boy: "No it isn't but U keep saying that it is"

--Side note to fellow models: if you feel this way, please don't. You work hard and you were tipped for a reason: you earned it. Keep up the good work.-- :crybaby: Rude Boy: I agree and no one has suggested otherwise bitch.

Dear "deezNA" Again the straw man fallacy. I am speaking of MFCs. I don't know where you work or what you do but I am not interested in any "bitch talk". One of the things I liked best about MFCs was that I did not have to deal with guys like you. Most of the guys and models were decent people.

No one said ANYTHING about performers feeling guilty about getting tipped and tipped well. I like a few of them and did indeed tip them well. I even sent a poor Ukrainian model $100 via West Union cause her fucking country is dirt poor and being invaded by Russia. I don't even go to the fucking site but still send tips via a friend who still does. Why? because the models were cool and ethical, something that you don't seem to understand. How do you explain that ? Your accusation is again misleading and total bullshit. I am not saying models are legally responsible for their clients actions. I am suggesting that they consider the effect they have on others. Your obsequious, ass kissing to other models is manipulative and annoys me.

Rude Boy < can't stand whiney manipulative bitches male or female

 

[MintyFlowers]

This is seriously how I imagine the thread right now; please join me in finishing the song:

Is this the real life? Is it just fantasyyyyyy?
Caught in a landslide... no escape from reality.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and seeee,

 

[LailaBaise]

I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go

 

[JuniperGin]

Little high,
Little low

 

[PunkInDrublic]

What a generic troll. No style, no charisma, no point, can't figure out how to quote, didn't even get a chuckle out of any of his posts, seems furious, trying way too hard, just boring.

Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

 

[Camgirl]

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead

 

[WickedTouch]

Mama, life had just begun,
But now I've gone and thrown it all away.