Business Support for Models

[AudriTwo]

Who is Phil?

 

[Deleted member 38927]

Alrighty, good luck with your business!

Thankyou and still available if you do need any support with your business, and good luck to you too.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I still have no idea what you were offering... Nor really what your business experience was... It's all so broad! How could we possibly accept your experience level when you are so vague? This is the internet and it would be so easy for you to lie.
To be honest I had hopes for you being different, but I haven't seen you really answering anyone's questions or proving that you are serious.

I am sure you can help some models out, but honestly you cannot just form a business plan for camming as though it is the corporate world. At the end of the day, I could make a personal business plan easily, I do sometimes just for fun. But that is not the part which most girls might need help in. What you could be is a helper/handy man of sorts. You wouldn't need to fix anything physically, but you could find and present information which the girl wants. But I have a feeling this is not really what you are looking to be. And I wouldn't hire you unless I knew for certain you knew what you were talking about. Otherwise I might as well hire someone I know for cheaper.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

I still have no idea what you were offering... Nor really what your business experience was... It's all so broad! How could we possibly accept your experience level when you are so vague? This is the internet and it would be so easy for you to lie.
To be honest I had hopes for you being different, but I haven't seen you really answering anyone's questions or proving that you are serious.

I am sure you can help some models out, but honestly you cannot just form a business plan for camming as though it is the corporate world. At the end of the day, I could make a personal business plan easily, I do sometimes just for fun. But that is not the part which most girls might need help in. What you could be is a helper/handy man of sorts. You wouldn't need to fix anything physically, but you could find and present information which the girl wants. But I have a feeling this is not really what you are looking to be. And I wouldn't hire you unless I knew for certain you knew what you were talking about. Otherwise I might as well hire someone I know for cheaper.

Hi and again many thanks. The problem I have is where can I draw the line, my professional resume is there for everyone to see and the principles are the same for any business. I appreciate everyone is reluctant to thinkrust for valid reasons, and reluctant to accept that I understand your business to some extent. Yes things havce changed since I was operational butthe principles remain the same, as do the common issues.

I think that if I was able to have a proper 121 with someone like yourself, your views would be changed.

Best wishes

 

[curvyredhead]

Great news, you came here looking for the answer to a fairly specific question...and you go it!!

Firstly my email registered here is phil_wales@hotmail.co.uk if you drop me an email I will chat and go from there.

lol @ hotmail

Hi, thanks for that, as Ive said in previous threads my business domain is registered and I am happy to pass in private conversation. Thanks.

I fail to see why this needs to be in prvt. Even the "website" you have in your avatar (which from what I can tell is the one that you use when conducting your business normally) just re-directs to a facebook page...which also has a link on it....but its the same link.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

Thanks, I accept everyones views and although I was asked to do this I also accept that I am not wanted and wish everyone well.

 

[Ivy Adams]

Yeah.. in the future Phil, I would suggest BEFORE marketing your business you have a lot of things set in place.

-Permission from models to use them as references
-A website where people can read about WHAT exactly you offer.. or at the very least some type of digital business card
-A mock business plan that shows how I would benefit from going with you over the competition
...really any detail at all that would give actual evidence that I wouldn't be wasting my money.

The fact that none of this was supplied and ready within your INITIAL post would have made me never hire you to handle any of my marketing/business strategies as this seems like a really poorly thought out business decision.

Best of luck to ya!

 

[Deleted member 38927]

Yeah.. in the future Phil, I would suggest BEFORE marketing your business you have a lot of things set in place.

-Permission from models to use them as references
-A website where people can read about WHAT exactly you offer.. or at the very least some type of digital business card
-A mock business plan that shows how I would benefit from going with you over the competition
...really any detail at all that would give actual evidence that I wouldn't be wasting my money.

The fact that none of this was supplied and ready within your INITIAL post would have made me never hire you to handle any of my marketing/business strategies as this seems like a really poorly thought out business decision.

Best of luck to ya!

Best wishes to you too

 

[IsabellaSnow]

my professional resume is there for everyone to see and the principles are the same for any business.

I haven't seen your professional resume, where can I see this? I have looked at the people per hour page you posted, but it doesn't really have anything specific.

I also don't think that the principles are the same for any business. Self employment is not a case of an ordinary business where you hire people, market your product and increase profits. If I wanted to make a business forecast for camming I could look at my average earnings, then I could decide how much money I want to make, great, work out how many hours to work! This part is simple, the hard part is putting it into practice. I could think about improving my earnings with making custom videos and videos to sell, but I cannot really predict how much I will earn. Nor can I be certain that I will bother to work that much to make that income. Sure, if I went into a regular job I would show up at 8am every day and leave at 5pm. But in the camming world you can't necessarily make that call. It is easier said than done. Much of the behind the scenes work is creativity, which from what you advertise yourself in I don't think would be something you could help with.
I would like to know what a business plan for camming would look like. I can't really say I have ever seen a formal business plan so maybe it would be good to explain what you are planning? Much of what you have written on your people per hour page isn't really relevant, so what would you do in place of this?
I feel like you are offering the wrong service. When you mentioned things like book keeping I thought maybe you would have more knowledge in that area which could be useful. But it doesn't sound like this is your area, or that you have been self employed and therefore understand how to manage personal accounts.

Also, why are you signing yourself as Phil when your people per hour page says Gareth? I am a bit confused here.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

I haven't seen your professional resume, where can I see this? I have looked at the people per hour page you posted, but it doesn't really have anything specific.

I also don't think that the principles are the same for any business. Self employment is not a case of an ordinary business where you hire people, market your product and increase profits. If I wanted to make a business forecast for camming I could look at my average earnings, then I could decide how much money I want to make, great, work out how many hours to work! This part is simple, the hard part is putting it into practice. I could think about improving my earnings with making custom videos and videos to sell, but I cannot really predict how much I will earn. Nor can I be certain that I will bother to work that much to make that income. Sure, if I went into a regular job I would show up at 8am every day and leave at 5pm. But in the camming world you can't necessarily make that call. It is easier said than done. Much of the behind the scenes work is creativity, which from what you advertise yourself in I don't think would be something you could help with.
I would like to know what a business plan for camming would look like. I can't really say I have ever seen a formal business plan so maybe it would be good to explain what you are planning? Much of what you have written on your people per hour page isn't really relevant, so what would you do in place of this?
I feel like you are offering the wrong service. When you mentioned things like book keeping I thought maybe you would have more knowledge in that area which could be useful. But it doesn't sound like this is your area, or that you have been self employed and therefore understand how to manage personal accounts.

Also, why are you signing yourself as Phil when your people per hour page says Gareth? I am a bit confused here.

Hi, I think I'm happy to admit defeat now. Phil/Gareth no different to your name most likely as I suspect Isabella is a stage name? Business is so vast and it is only when you have a consultation you break into the benefits. I am also a business improvement specialist, so many of the things that you mention is what I do.

For the record, many of my main-stream customers including my wife are self employed so I understand the niche very well.

Again I can only say that I am more than happy to explore with you on a no obligation/fee basis, but totally up to you. I suspected I would be given a hard time and was right lol....but take none of it personally and wish everyone the very best.

ps. my proffessional resume is publically visible on PPH.

Take care x

 

[Terra Storm]

This was a fun thread to read lol.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

Yep you all beat me up and spit out the pips. I sincerely wish everyone well for the future.

 

[Terra Storm]

Yep you all beat me up and spit out the pips. I sincerely wish everyone well for the future.

Well I'm just saying but....the fact that you got pretty discouraged and quit only a day after presenting your idea is a telltale sign that you aren't meant for this. Many people offered very constructive opinions on your idea and rather than taking those opinions into account you just decided to quit.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

Well I'm just saying but....the fact that you got pretty discouraged and quit only a day after presenting your idea is a telltale sign that you aren't meant for this. Many people offered very constructive opinions on your idea and rather than taking those opinions into account you just decided to quit.

Not at all, if you read the posts I haven't said I am willing to explore and learn from the comments and have offered to work with someone individually at no cost to iron out these issues to ensure a win/win but noone appears to be willing to take that step.

I am more than willing to do this and come back to the forum in a few weeks with a super strong proposal, but I'm just being told that I have no clue about the modern day industry and am not offerering what models need because I dont know.

Here's a proposal.....if a couple of models wish to work with me I am prepared to out that effort in......

Over to you all......

 

[Lintilla]

Not at all, if you read the posts I haven't said I am willing to explore and learn from the comments and have offered to work with someone individually at no cost to iron out these issues to ensure a win/win but noone appears to be willing to take that step.

I am more than willing to do this and come back to the forum in a few weeks with a super strong proposal, but I'm just being told that I have no clue about the modern day industry and am not offerering what models need because I dont know.

Here's a proposal.....if a couple of models wish to work with me I am prepared to out that effort in......

Over to you all......

The main thing seems to be that you've come here claiming to be able to provide services that you can't adequately apply to yourself. If I was to employ someone for, say, social media management, I damn well want to see that they're doing an amazing job managing their own social media. And yet... as far as I can see you don't have anything that applies to this industry, and the one Twitter account I CAN find has 5 Tweets and 36 followers. We don't need a proposal, we want to see results.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

The main thing seems to be that you've come here claiming to be able to provide services that you can't adequately apply to yourself. If I was to employ someone for, say, social media management, I damn well want to see that they're doing an amazing job managing their own social media. And yet... as far as I can see you don't have anything that applies to this industry, and the one Twitter account I CAN find has 5 Tweets and 36 followers. We don't need a proposal, we want to see results.

Thanks, I have put a suggestion out there to work with a small group and focus on the most needed services. I know from experience that you can't be "everything to everyone" and I agree with those who have said that I've gone about this the wrong way. Happy to put my hands up and agree, as a change practitioner I know that we all do things wrong when the intention is good and we have to take on the feedback. What is encouraging is the amout of traffic through the post, which shows that there is an interest, albeit met with some frustration initially.

I suppose I'm better at looking after everyone else than myself, and that is now letting me down. As you can imagine after so many years at a senior level in a company operating in the UK and US, I have picked up most of my self empoyed work through my existing network and word of mouth, so this is really something different, but something that I do have a grounding in also.

I really hope that my suggestion is taken on board and I can back to you in a month or so with a clearer vision to present that represents the needs of the model community.

Many thanks once again.

 

[SMuser69]

I think you did a reasonable pitch. I think I have a good understanding of what you're trying to accomplish but I'm not going to speak for you either.

I think those interested will PM you as happens with other people that made pitches on here. My only comment is you're clearly based in the UK but with many models here from the US you never really mentioned if you had experience with US laws or tax code or what you would provide to a model that isn't in the UK.

Anyways you handled the posts very well.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Phil/Gareth no different to your name most likely as I suspect Isabella is a stage name?

You assume incorrectly. There is also a bit of a difference between a cam girl who will almost certainly get stalkers and creeps if she gives out her full name to the general public wanting to pick a stage name, and a member wanting camgirls to hire him for a business venture to give out a false name.
In the area you are looking at there isn't really the same need to be afraid of stalkers and an absolute need for transparency so girls know you are legitimate. While we are sex workers and are vulnerable to all sorts of stalking and crazies, as a business professional you are not in that position. Therefore giving a fake name brings up the same warning flags it would if I approached a real life business and they gave me false information.
What I don't understand is why you bothered signing your name at all if it was fake, there is no need for it on ACF. In future there isn't any need, no one expects you to give out your real name on a public forum, but they would be confused if you deliberately made up a false one.

As for talking in private message, to be honest I won't. I feel that the questions I have asked could be answered perfectly well here. I don't want to spend lots of time writing back and forth to someone who can't answer basic questions on the public forum they posted on. I am interested, but I am not going to jump through hoops just to find out what you could do for me. That is not my job, and honestly it doesn't really give me much faith in you.

I stand my original comment that I don't think you are a dickhead member, you don't seem controlling or like you're getting off on the power of "helping" camgirls. On the other hand, I am disappointed in how disorganised you appear. I was hoping you might be professional and have something to offer, but honestly from reading this thread I have no faith in your expertise. I could forgive someone relatively new in business, but you say you have 27 years of experience. I have not seen an ounce of your experience from your writing.
I have nothing personal against you or your attempts to offer a service. But I would not hire you.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

You assume incorrectly. There is also a bit of a difference between a cam girl who will almost certainly get stalkers and creeps if she gives out her full name to the general public wanting to pick a stage name, and a member wanting camgirls to hire him for a business venture to give out a false name.
In the area you are looking at there isn't really the same need to be afraid of stalkers and an absolute need for transparency so girls know you are legitimate. While we are sex workers and are vulnerable to all sorts of stalking and crazies, as a business professional you are not in that position. Therefore giving a fake name brings up the same warning flags it would if I approached a real life business and they gave me false information.
What I don't understand is why you bothered signing your name at all if it was fake, there is no need for it on ACF. In future there isn't any need, no one expects you to give out your real name on a public forum, but they would be confused if you deliberately made up a false one.

As for talking in private message, to be honest I won't. I feel that the questions I have asked could be answered perfectly well here. I don't want to spend lots of time writing back and forth to someone who can't answer basic questions on the public forum they posted on. I am interested, but I am not going to jump through hoops just to find out what you could do for me. That is not my job, and honestly it doesn't really give me much faith in you.

I stand my original comment that I don't think you are a dickhead member, you don't seem controlling or like you're getting off on the power of "helping" camgirls. On the other hand, I am disappointed in how disorganised you appear. I was hoping you might be professional and have something to offer, but honestly from reading this thread I have no faith in your expertise. I could forgive someone relatively new in business, but you say you have 27 years of experience. I have not seen an ounce of your experience from your writing.
I have nothing personal against you or your attempts to offer a service. But I would not hire you.

Many thanks, I have undoubtably made the error of putting the feelers out without doing the consultation groundwork first. I know what I can accomplish and also know my track record of success, but fully appreciate that you or any of the other models don't, and I respect that.

In hindsight (which is a wonderful thing) I should have consulted with a few experinced and respected models initially and came to the party with a clear vision. In mainstream industry, things are a little more standardised and although I absolutely standby my comment that the business principle remains the same i.e you require best value, most efficient, most productive services and processes in the same way that a customer in another business sector does.

Again many thanks for your input and best wishes for the future.

 

[Lintilla]

In mainstream industry, things are a little more standardised

I think this is one of your main faulty assumptions, personally.

 

[Magnolia]

Bit harsh!

This entire industry is harsh.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Yep you all beat me up and spit out the pips. I sincerely wish everyone well for the future.

Nobody even said anything mean to you. They were just pointing out glaring problems - that your posts are quite vague and come across as a little unprofessional. If you want to market a service, you don't pop into the market half-assed, you have everything ready to go before you start advertising.

 

[AudriTwo]

Phil, Gareth, whoever you are. You should take this time to listen to and grow from the criticism we gave. Apply it. And for the love god don't use free email domains. Get your own, man! Squarespace offers great website deals and email domains. A lot of cammodels avoid facebook like the plague. So you aren't going to get much growth there.

Like I said in my message to you, I am looking out for my peers. I wouldn't want to see anyone be taken advantage of. Because I have seen so many people get tangled up in scammy bullshit on the appearance to help. There are so many people who try to take advantage of us. You coming to us not prepared, vague, and lying about your name makes a lot the pop up like a prairie dog watching for hawks. Don't think we are being hard on just you. We are like this to everyone. A lot of industry reps who are members went through an "initiating" period. They are now trusted and valued members of our community. People are more likely to use their services.

Use your starting out period on showing us your social media skills. How well you can grow and network over twitter, industry forums, ect. Especially your willingness to learn, grow, and adapt, because this industry is harsh.


Seriously no ill will or hate thrown your way. Have a pleasant day, and I wish you the best!

 

[Gen]

I am gonna add a more productive comment than a gif. I've worked at jobs outside of camming where we get sales pitches from time to time. They're always professional, well put together, and informative.

When I see these frequent, thrown together, vague "pitches" on ACF every few weeks, I wonder why it's so rare to see someone come in who's already prepared to take my money and tell me why I need their product. I don't see the point in ~putting out feelers~. If you believe your service is necessary, get it ready and THEN pitch it. Make a website, offer pricing, have a clear and concise list of what you're offering. These soft approaches make it seem like you're just looking for some quick money, not actually pursuing a serious new venture. In any business, why make the client do the work of pursuing you to find out what you do and how much it costs? Helping models on a sporadic basis is fine but I'm not sure, when people come present their idea to a larger platform of models, what you're looking for when you haven't even taken a few hours to put together a pitch or a website. I am not being snarky or harsh (lol), just genuinely pondering on this and other ideas that have been halfheartedly presented to the community, and ended the same way (us getting yelled at for not appreciating the idea enough...okay, you didn't yell, but you get my drift).

 

[CharlieCharma]

You're making the cam model community sound like an awful bunch of reckless witless desperadoes. Are police forces occupied on a regular basis rounding up models? You're giving me visions of police cells packed with models.

I've never been to jail, but now it's starting to sound like a pretty fun place.

 

[dilligaf0]

To ABS_Wales, you need to understand that it is a frequent posting on these forums from guys (most of whom have no experience) that post these type of business offers.
95% of them are simply guys trying to make easy money from a model's hard work and truly giving nothing in return.
I am not saying you are one of these people, I merely point it out so you can understand the models hesitance to believe your offer without a lot proof you can deliver on your promises.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

I really do understand and appreciate everyones comments and I will learn from these. I do however need to learn what exactly it is that your industry needs. I am really on-board with Isabella's view of "someone to take the grunt away - to allow us to be more productive", and this is they key area that my business focus's on with other clients.
Like I said I would like to learn and have thick skin, so have taken nothing personally. I never shy away from a challenge, especially one where I truly believe there is so much to be achieved.

What I cant do though is learn alone. Would anyone (suggest 2 or 3 models) like to spend just a few hours over the next month, helping me undertand the niche's so that I can put a fully professional package together?

My official e-mail address is gareth@abs.wales - I look forward to hearing from you and once again many thanks to everyone.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I am honestly puzzled about what to advise you Phil/Gareth. I usually come here in order to learn a thing or two, and if I'm lucky I get to assist a model. This forum has lots of extra value, because it's a fun and safe place to be. Safer than being grilled on a mainstream Facebook page for instance.
I am not pitching here just like I'm not doing so in my local pub. This community is one of the last online resorts that lets you exchange opinions without constantly trying to make a closure or a sale, or a mass engagement reach out. Chilax and listen, if people will need help, and your help is relevant, they will reach out.
Over 90 per cent of the people I know here don't use or need my service, yet they provide me with the best insights and tools of the trade. Trust me Phil/Gareth, in a forum like GFY, or a veteran forum like Xbiz, the sharks would've sensed you bleeding in the water and grilled you at a very early stage. If Ivy Adams would have needed a white paper made by someone who can write a copy that sells, she would've turned to Ivy Adams for instance.
I am already preaching too much, so basically, lay back and have fun, that's my advice.

 

[Deleted member 38927]

I am honestly puzzled about what to advise you Phil/Gareth. I usually come here in order to learn a thing or two, and if I'm lucky I get to assist a model. This forum has lots of extra value, because it's a fun and safe place to be. Safer than being grilled on a mainstream Facebook page for instance.
I am not pitching here just like I'm not doing so in my local pub. This community is one of the last online resorts that lets you exchange opinions without constantly trying to make a closure or a sale, or a mass engagement reach out. Chilax and listen, if people will need help, and your help is relevant, they will reach out.
Over 90 per cent of the people I know here don't use or need my service, yet they provide me with the best insights and tools of the trade. Trust me Phil/Gareth, in a forum like GFY, or a veteran forum like Xbiz, the sharks would've sensed you bleeding in the water and grilled you at a very early stage. If Ivy Adams would have needed a white paper made by someone who can write a copy that sells, she would've turned to Ivy Adams for instance.
I am already preaching too much, so basically, lay back and have fun, that's my advice.

Many thanks Dan really appreciated

 

[Cherry Bomb]