Black Friday

[SweepTheLeg]

The only way you can find out if you can trust someone is by doing so. Unless she was only dating him just so she had a free babysitter while she went to work- I know women who do that too.

 

[Jupiter551]

Her: What are you doing tomorrow?
Him: I'm headed to Black Friday to try and get a good deal on a big screen TV
Her: Could you babysit my baby too?

He's going shopping on black friday! it's her dumb ass fault. She should just be happy he didn't use the baby as some sort of shield during all the chaos and destruction.

yeah well it was either dumb or negligent of her, but it's still HIS fault

 

[Anonymous]

Her: What are you doing tomorrow?
Him: I'm headed to Black Friday to try and get a good deal on a big screen TV
Her: Could you babysit my baby too?

He's going shopping on black friday! it's her dumb ass fault. She should just be happy he didn't use the baby as some sort of shield during all the chaos and destruction.

 

[WildFingers]

The quiz that was listed earlier in the thread was very easy (14-15) just look for the smiles (except for the looting) pretty much you can tell if it was a riot of Black Friday.

The Asian picture got me I thought was Tienanmen Square and it was a Best Buy. None of the Asians were smiling.

Happy Holidays to all of you out in ACF land. What ever your beliefs maybe, This time of year is about family and friends. Not having to leave Thanksgiving dinner to go stand in line or go to work. This practice will go on until more people get killed in stampedes of the bargain hunters and the stores will be held accountable and sued.

I shop on the 22nd - 24th. and not a minute sooner. If the Fuck me Elmo doll is sold out,well so be it.

 

[Mirra]

Her: What are you doing tomorrow?
Him: I'm headed to Black Friday to try and get a good deal on a big screen TV
Her: Could you babysit my baby too?

He's going shopping on black friday! it's her dumb ass fault. She should just be happy he didn't use the baby as some sort of shield during all the chaos and destruction.

I don't get a particularly warm and fuzzy feeling about either one of them based on the story. >_>

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Neither do I.

 

[Anonymous]

I think the disgust over this incident is causing some of you guys to think the worst about the mother. Something bad happens to a child, and right away the reaction is "Where the hell was the mother in all of this? How could she let this happen? She's partially responsible." What exactly is it about the mother that has you scratching your head?

SHE was at work trying to earn a living. SHE didn't leave a 2-year old boy alone in a car. And I seriously doubt she has psychic powers telling her "Something bad will happen to your son if you go to work today."

 

[Anonymous]

If the Fuck me Elmo doll is sold out,well so be it.

:lol:

 

[SweepTheLeg]

My reaction was based off of everyone else's reaction of how horrible this man was, it's all his fault, what a jerk. Isn't he a jerk, kids? Yeah, you're a jerk! and the mother wasn't getting mentioned in any of it and with not knowing the whole story it's hard to say she's innocent in all of this. If she asked him to watch her kid because he said he wasn't doing anything anyway then yes the guy is a fucking fucker, if she asked him to watch her kid when she knew he was going to black friday and just told him to make it work then they are both fucking fucks.

 

[Nordling]

Her: What are you doing tomorrow?
Him: I'm headed to Black Friday to try and get a good deal on a big screen TV
Her: Could you babysit my baby too?

He's going shopping on black friday! it's her dumb ass fault. She should just be happy he didn't use the baby as some sort of shield during all the chaos and destruction.

I don't get a particularly warm and fuzzy feeling about either one of them based on the story. >_>

I don't see how anyone can get ANY kind of feeling about the mom...since we know zero, zip, nothing, nada about what she knew about this bozo. If he showed signs of being irresponsible prior to this incident, then, yeah, she has some blame--but we don't know this...we know exactly NOTHING.

 

[Nordling]

My reaction was based off of everyone else's reaction of how horrible this man was, it's all his fault, what a jerk. Isn't he a jerk, kids? Yeah, you're a jerk! and the mother wasn't getting mentioned in any of it and with not knowing the whole story it's hard to say she's innocent in all of this. If she asked him to watch her kid because he said he wasn't doing anything anyway then yes the guy is a fucking fucker, if she asked him to watch her kid when she knew he was going to black friday and just told him to make it work then they are both fucking fucks.

Yeah, and if she's an Albanian terrorist from Turkmenstan, she's just a horrid person.

:?

 

[SweepTheLeg]

It's how we differ. Since we'll never know her story you can pin all the blame on him since it's what you know and she's as innocent as can be in all of this. But there are a lot of bad mothers out there and so I'm going to leave it open that chances are she's one of them.

 

[Nordling]

It's how we differ. Since we'll never know her story you can pin all the blame on him since it's what you know and she's as innocent as can be in all of this. But there are a lot of bad mothers out there and so I'm going to leave it open that chances are she's one of them.

I don't know that we'll "never know her story." The original story was so poorly written, leaving so many questions in the air, I'd be surprised if there was no follow up.

And like I implied, we know so little about her that the odds are equal that she's a horrid person or Mother of the Year. Chances are she's neither, but until the story pans out, why speculate? We DO know that the GUY is an ass who should never be left alone with children. For now that's enough--her guilt or innocence neither heightens nor mitigates his guilt.

 

[Anonymous]

My reaction was based off of everyone else's reaction of how horrible this man was, it's all his fault, what a jerk. Isn't he a jerk, kids? Yeah, you're a jerk! and the mother wasn't getting mentioned in any of it and with not knowing the whole story it's hard to say she's innocent in all of this. If she asked him to watch her kid because he said he wasn't doing anything anyway then yes the guy is a fucking fucker, if she asked him to watch her kid when she knew he was going to black friday and just told him to make it work then they are both fucking fucks.

I agree with the bolded part. It's challenging enough going shopping with a kid on a normal day. Black Friday is so chaotic that it's actually considered an EVENT...lol. Black Friday shopping surrounded by crazy bargain hunters + holding a 2-year old child's hand while doing so is NOT a good mix.

The only mention of the mother is that she was at work while the boyfriend was "babysitting" the kid. In your earlier post, you posted a bf/gf conversation that you imagined happening...lol.

Some of the posts in this thread just bugged me because I've noticed it seems to always be "the mother's fault" when something bad happens to a minor.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Yeah I did imagine it happening. and LadyLuna did a good job of mentioning that he could have told her he had nothing going on and wasn't going to go to black friday because only crazies do that, and I forgot there are people like that out there in the world. Everyone I know is either gung ho black friday! have it planned out like some crazy military battlefield shit, where to strike first etc or avoid black friday like it's the black plague- there is no in between.

 

[Shaun__]

The mother of the child was at work and that is why the man was babysitting. Link

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I read the story. The part I am wondering about is did she know he was going to black friday when she asked him to babysit her kid.

 

[Nordling]

I read the story. The part I am wondering about is did she know he was going to black friday when she asked him to babysit her kid.

That remains to be seen. Also, and this we may never know...did she know he was a flake? Did he snap at the thought of a cheap TV and had been a responsible person prior? All questions we have no idea about.

 

[Mirra]

I don't see how anyone can get ANY kind of feeling about the mom...since we know zero, zip, nothing, nada about what she knew about this bozo. If he showed signs of being irresponsible prior to this incident, then, yeah, she has some blame--but we don't know this...we know exactly NOTHING.

I don't care what you guys say, it says a lot about a person to see who they date. If she left her child with him without knowing him well, shame on her. He's not even my kid but I'd never leave my nephew in the hands of someone whose qualifications for keeping him safe are a complete mystery. If she knew him well and left the child with him, I question either her judge of character or her judgement in total. This man does not strike me as someone who should be trusted with my car (since he lost that too) much less my (theoretical) child.

The dude is definitely the one at fault for this... but she doesn't impress me either by trusting this guy. Yes, I believe guilty by association works when you're dating the person in question.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't care what you guys say, it says a lot about a person to see who they date. If she left her child with him without knowing him well, shame on her. He's not even my kid but I'd never leave my nephew in the hands of someone whose qualifications for keeping him safe are a complete mystery. If she knew him well and left the child with him, I question either her judge of character or her judgement in total. This man does not strike me as someone who should be trusted with my car (since he lost that too) much less my (theoretical) child.

The dude is definitely the one at fault for this... but she doesn't impress me either by trusting this guy. Yes, I believe guilty by association works when you're dating the person in question.

We don't know how long she'd been dating the guy, or if he's previously babysat for her with no problems. There's not even a video clip of her giving a statement. What would impress you? *I'm not being a smartass, by the way...I'm being serious* A video clip of her reaction to this, right? Shock...disgust...relief that her son is okay.

At this point, all you can really say is that she definitely put her trust in the wrong person, which makes her the victim in this too...since it is HER kid that was neglected by the designated "babysitter."

 

[Mirra]

We don't know how long she'd been dating the guy, or if he's previously babysat for her with no problems. There's not even a video clip of her giving a statement. What would impress you? *I'm not being a smartass, by the way...I'm being serious* A video clip of her reaction to this, right? Shock...disgust...relief that her son is okay.

At this point, all you can really say is that she definitely put her trust in the wrong person, which makes her the victim in this too...since it is HER kid that was neglected by the designated "babysitter."

How long she had been dating him doesn't matter if she trusted the guy with her kid. There is nothing about her that would impress me at this point. All she can do is not look worse. You act like I'm crucifying some poor girl but you admit to about as much as I've said. I am not impressed by her choice of babysitter. She doesn't strike me as a GREAT parent. Maybe sufficient. Probably not worse than a lot, but not impressive. She has simply chosen this 'winner' of a guy to date and to take care of her kid and that reflects poorly on her. She chose him. She has to take some responsibility for that. Plenty of women every day choose babysitters who don't leave their children in the car while going shopping. She chose poorly. The end. I'm still not impressed.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm still not impressed.

We know. You told us about 100 times already.....

Blame the victim...nice. It's the Trayvon thread all over again.

 

[Mirra]

I'm still not impressed.

We know. You told us about 100 times already.....

*I'm not being a smartass, by the way...I'm being serious*

And now? I keep responding because you keep trying to make more out of what I've said than what I've said. I'm expressing an opinion on her choice of boyfriend and baby sitter. Feel free to state yours. Holy shit how is this a fucking argument? If you call out something I said there's a good chance I will respond. If I feel my statements have been misunderstood or misrepresented there's an even better chance I'll respond. Crazy how that works.

Blame the victim...nice. It's the Trayvon thread all over again.

The 2 year old is the main victim here. Also if you go back to that (the Trayvon) thread, you will have a hard time saying I'm a blame the victim kind of guy. Nice job trying to sandbag me with something that's been a much bigger deal (so far) than this story.

 

[Jupiter551]

I agree that without knowing the specific facts it appears she made a poor judgement call, and I hope for the child's sake she learned from this, but regardless of the circumstances of how it came to be, this man WAS responsible for the child and he abandoned that responsibility for a TV. It's lucky the child wasn't abducted or froze to death, I hope they throw the book at him.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm expressing an opinion on her choice of boyfriend and baby sitter. Feel free to state yours. Holy shit how is this a fucking argument? If you call out something I said there's a good chance I will respond. If I feel my statements have been misunderstood or misrepresented there's an even better chance I'll respond.

I've already stated my opinion in previous posts, which I know you've read. You chose to repeatedly respond with "I don't care what you say" and "I'm not impressed." It didn't need to be an argument.

I just find it very hard to believe that you've never, in your life, made a bad decision that you later regretted. You don't think the mother is kicking herself right now? You're talking as if she knowingly left her child with some dude who has a history of child endangerment.

And I don't feel you've been misunderstood.

 

[Anonymous]

I agree that without knowing the specific facts it appears she made a poor judgement call, and I hope for the child's sake she learned from this, but regardless of the circumstances of how it came to be, this man WAS responsible for the child and he abandoned that responsibility for a TV. It's lucky the child wasn't abducted or froze to death, I hope they throw the book at him.

That pretty much sums up my feelings in a few sentences. Well said.

 

[Nordling]

Yes, there's a huge difference between making a "bad decision" because of a LACK of knowledge, in this case whether or not her boyfriend had manifested a general flakiness that would have tipped her off to not allow him to babysit her child, AND knowingly putting her child in the hands of someone who obviously was not trustworthy.

We DO NOT KNOW how he OR she have behaved in the past. Everything other than HIS guilt is utter speculation. I"ve known people who acted perfectly responsible for years--until that one time when their character was on the line and they failed.

 

[Mirra]

The dude is definitely the one at fault for this... but she doesn't impress me either by trusting this guy. Yes, I believe guilty by association works when you're dating the person in question.

I agree that without knowing the specific facts it appears she made a poor judgement call, and I hope for the child's sake she learned from this, but regardless of the circumstances of how it came to be, this man WAS responsible for the child and he abandoned that responsibility for a TV. It's lucky the child wasn't abducted or froze to death, I hope they throw the book at him.

I read these two statements. I see little difference other than their reception here. I've only ever implied that she made a stupid call regarding who to trust with her 2 year old son. A son that is still at an age where he is pretty much completely reliant on whoever is supposed to be responsible. It's a big responsibility. I never said I haven't made poor choices. I never said she should be punished but the reactions to my statements sure make it seem like that's what I said. You make a mistake in life, you own up to it. Some people are definitely victims but there are also people playing the victim card when they need to take responsibility for their part in things. Nothing I've read has implied that she hasn't done so but the way many people are talking about her in this thread still compelled me to respond.

 

[Elysia36]

I've never really done the Black Friday thing. I did drive past Walmart on Black Friday and the line was hanging out of the parking lot with people waiting for a parking spot.No thank you.

 

[LadyLuna]

There's another assumption we're all making, and that is that she had anyone else to turn to for watching the kid.

Not everyone has family or friends in the area. Not everyone can afford a babysitter. Maybe her friends are a worse choice than her boyfriend? Maybe her boyfriend had always treated the kid well, and always seemed to be responsible. We don't know, we can't know. I firmly believe in "innocent until proven guilty". This means that until we have some evidence to the contrary, we're supposed to believe the best about people.