Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamate?

[Pooky]

Alright. So I've been through the forum for about a half hour so far. I'm a plus sized model who is looking for more work than MFC. As a plus size, new model, I find MFC to be very jarring. My camscore has floated at about 500 for a month and all it seems to be doing is going down. When I first signed up it was fantastic, but it seems that traffic has left and what I have now simply isn't worth it.

So, from what I can see LiveJasmin now pays a certain percentage bonus per every couple hundred extra you make a month. Up to 60%

I already have an account with Steamate and cannot remember why I stopped performing. I guess we'll see.

Girls, I do have a few questions about Steamate. As I am a member of MFC, I'm well aware that nobody follows the rules there. MFC is basically an "anything goes" website with very little "no-no's".

Is Steamate the same or are they strict?

In the code of conduct it says no exchanging of personal information, e-mails, etc.

No urination, etc. [just asking, not performing. Haha]

"ACCOUNT TERMINATION
If you are no longer using your account, the account must be closed. Inactive accounts will be archived after a specific amount of time and cannot be recovered. Streamate Limited performer accounts can be terminated based on performance level or quality. Performers should strive to maintain a reasonable performance level of time in paid chat vs time on line."

Do they really terminate models for not making enough money, as stated above?

No nudity in free chat?

I think that's about it. Anything I should know about Steamate? Good money?

And lastly. My biggest question. Does Steamate provide stubs with mailed checks?

Thank you in advance for your time and as always.. my apologies if these questions have already been answered and I couldn't find them.

 

[BlueViolet]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

If you have an account on MFC, you need to get verified as a model here so you can get access to the Models Only section. We have a whole thread on Streamate as well as plenty of other camsites with frequently asked questions answered.

LiveJasmin is not really encouraged here. They are not model friendly, chargebacks are common, strict rules, and low percentages.

Streamate isn't as restrictive as LiveJasmin but if it's stated in the rules, you cannot do it--they do enforce these rules. Below the belt nudity is not allowed in free chat. I haven't heard of an active account getting closed as the time spent in paid is a low requirement.

Streamate is my only camsite now and I've tried out plenty. The traffic is great and the money is good for me. I'm sure they include stubs in their mailed out checks, but if you get paid by payoneer, you can use your Payment History for tax records.

 

[Pooky]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

Thank you for the reply.

I'll see if I can get verified.

Off topic, but, your profile picture here on ACF makes me want to masturbate furiously. Good job.

Haha.

 

[LilyMarie]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

I'm not sure where on the forum you have looked, but a quick search for Livejasmin will let you know what the majority of the forum thinks of the site.

"We tend to not like LiveJasmin"
"Working on LiveJasmin made me feel really violated a lot of the time."
"Never, ever work on LiveJasmin"
"My personal advice for LiveJasmin is to stop working on LiveJasmin"

I'm just leaving this here.
Another thing.. models are able to come back from a 500 camscore on MFC. There's a LOT of advice on how to do this and how camscore works in the models only section of ACF. So if you're maybe not absolutely determined on giving up on MFC, that might help you. You should definitely get verified, it's easy.

Also,

As I am a member of MFC, I'm well aware that nobody follows the rules there. MFC is basically an "anything goes" website with very little "no-no's".

MFC has quite a few rules that are actually enforced. Engaging in the activities on their list of 'Forbidden things' will often get you removed from the site. http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Rules_f ... ree_Chat...

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

Dakota, did I mention how much I love your new avatar? I would happily make avatar babies with it if you didn't bat for the other team

 

[AllisonWilder]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

You mentioned that you're a plus size model so I'm not sure if you would categorize yourself as a BBW. If you do there's also JustBBWCams as another option to look into.

ETA: If you haven't already found it, here's where you get verified. Just follow the instructions and you'll have no problems! viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1696

 

[Pooky]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

CammiStar, I agree entirely.

Which is a big reason I asked what is enforced and what isn't.

When it comes to MFC I notice that they rarely enforce any of the rules, let alone all of them. I suppose the ones I've heard of being enforced are minors on webcam [especially children]... bestiality. Personally those are the only two I've ever heard of being strictly enforced. Everything else, you're unlucky if MFC chooses you to give a warning to.

Racism as well, another thing not tolerated well on MFC in most forms. It's basically an "anything goes" site.

From what I understand, in accordance to the 2257 compliance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Prot ... cement_Act no models should be allowed to perform nude in free chat... which is a big reason other websites are incredibly strict on nudity and sometimes even sexuality in free chat. I do wonder how MFC continues to run under these conditions and wonder how long it will be until the website is shut down or severely reprimanded.

I do enjoy MFC, don't get me wrong. It's a good site to work for, for many models. Of the 1000 models on at any given time, I'm going to guess about 25% of those models hit their goals. Trying or not. I enjoyed MFC a lot more when I first started performing... but after it became clear to me that children, even young children, can easily access the website AND freechat, where, I'll remind you, every sort of sexually explicit action takes place, it just bothered me a bit. It's hard to be into my performance if I have my mind on how many eight year old children are in my room currently as guests... or even basics. It's jarring.

So, this is the reason I search for a new website.

As to ACF's feelings on LiveJasmin, I understand. It seems the majority dislike LJ greatly, but I was curious if those are feelings from years ago that have carried on, or new and recent experience with the website.

Lastly, I've gone through the process of becoming verified.

 

[BlueViolet]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

I suppose the ones I've heard of being enforced are minors on webcam [especially children]... bestiality. Personally those are the only two I've ever heard of being strictly enforced. Everything else, you're unlucky if MFC chooses you to give a warning to.

Man on cam! That one is STRICTLY enforced, too. Just thought I'd throw that out there, that one I see the most commonly that gets so many accounts shut down mid-act with their money kept by the website.

From what I understand, in accordance to the 2257 compliance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Prot ... cement_Act no models should be allowed to perform nude in free chat... which is a big reason other websites are incredibly strict on nudity and sometimes even sexuality in free chat. I do wonder how MFC continues to run under these conditions and wonder how long it will be until the website is shut down or severely reprimanded.

From what I read, that law is only about record keeping of proof of the model's age. I might be missing something, but I read through that entire Wiki and didn't see anything pertaining to a model performing in a free chat area. Other websites are mostly just strict about non-nudity in free chat so they can make members pay to see the model nude.

but after it became clear to me that children, even young children, can easily access the website AND freechat, where, I'll remind you, every sort of sexually explicit action takes place, it just bothered me a bit. It's hard to be into my performance if I have my mind on how many eight year old children are in my room currently as guests... or even basics. It's jarring.

Keep in mind that you don't have to do anything explicit in free chat. You can only do privates or groups, in which young children wouldn't have access to. Personally, I feel like it isn't our responsibility to "protect" the children from our bodies, I feel it's their parent's responsibility if that's their choice. I do believe MFC should have a "Click Here to Enter if You Are 18" pop up when you enter the main page if you don't have a logged in account, but that's just my opinion : )

 

[Pooky]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

I can think, off the top of my head, of one model who does man on girl shows from time to time in Skype, but she also sells them in her MFC profile. She's well known and seems to make a good living and it's been sliding for... at least ever since I joined. February, 2012. This is why I wonder if it's the unlucky models who are picked off for certain things.

I don't judge models who do their thing in free chat. I've done it as well. We all have. That's how MFC is.

I think you're right. As far as I can see, live sexual activity is supposed to be guarded by 18+ barriers. But I didn't read through the entire wiki on the compliance, nor do I even faintly understand half of what I did read. Somebody may have a better translation on that, but it's a side note regardless of why I'd like to perform on a site other than MFC.

Thank you for the replies. It's helped me make a more informed decision.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

I can think, off the top of my head, of one model who does man on girl shows from time to time in Skype, but she also sells them in her MFC profile. She's well known and seems to make a good living and it's been sliding for... at least ever since I joined. February, 2012. This is why I wonder if it's the unlucky models who are picked off for certain things.

I don't judge models who do their thing in free chat. I've done it as well. We all have. That's how MFC is.

I think you're right. As far as I can see, live sexual activity is supposed to be guarded by 18+ barriers. But I didn't read through the entire wiki on the compliance, nor do I even faintly understand half of what I did read. Somebody may have a better translation on that, but it's a side note regardless of why I'd like to perform on a site other than MFC.

Thank you for the replies. It's helped me make a more informed decision.

The only thing about man on cam that's against the rules is if you actually have a man on your live feed on MFC. If you accept tokens for Skype shows, MFC admins don't really care.

Also, there's someone on just about any site that's breaking the rules in free chat, regardless of them being enforced. There's always a chance that a kid will see you naked no matter what site you choose. Kids steal credit cards and can easily just buy a show that way. You'd never know.

 

[UncleThursday]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

From what I understand, in accordance to the 2257 compliance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Prot ... cement_Act no models should be allowed to perform nude in free chat... which is a big reason other websites are incredibly strict on nudity and sometimes even sexuality in free chat. I do wonder how MFC continues to run under these conditions and wonder how long it will be until the website is shut down or severely reprimanded.

2257 is for record keeping of proof of age of performers, not accessers to the sites. Sites are not required to keep records on their members' ages. It is assumed that if you have a credit card, that you are over 18. And if you aren't 18 and using a credit card, then it is credit card fraud anyway (if it isn't in the minor's name).

Teenagers and younger can access all sorts of porn all over the web with little to no effort at all. Just click the I am over 18 button, and POW! porn for the kids. The only thing that can help stop it is if parents install cyber nanny programs that have a good database of site names to block. But, even these can be gotten around fairly easily by a lot of kids (let's face it, kids know more about the technology than their parents).

 

[Pooky]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

Thank you UncleThursday for clarifying the 2257 compliance for me. It's something that really bothered me about MFC, so I'm glad that's one thing off the list.

As for the man on woman videos sold. Come to think of it, I've only ever seen a man on MFC camera twice in my time visiting there and heard about it a handful of times. I don't often hear about those girls again, so I'm going to assume they were terminated. I worry about the girl I was thinking about who sells the videos, because, well, I'm in love with her performances. Haha. Good to know.

FYI, Streamate is working out perfectly for me. I love it so far.

 

[Rose]

Re: Been thru the forum already... but LiveJasmin or Steamat

Boy/girl videos that are sold on MFC aren't an issue, I believe. As long as the video isn't being played over the girl's cam feed anyways. If she's just selling the videos for tokens then it's typically a non issue. :twocents-02cents: