Animals Like This Deserve To Be In Cages

[bawksy]

I will say that if you know that something you read on the internet is going to send you into a panic attack, you need to get off the internet and figure that shit out before surfing the web. Thick skin, baby.

 

[Red7227]

Back on topic, incidents like this are one reason why many Americans feel so strongly about preserving the right to keep a gun in the home for protection.

How do you know she didn't have a gun? Do you know she would be willing to shoot someone? Would having an easily accessible gun around mean that here 3 year old will blow her brains out at some point? Maybe a dog or locking her front door might be more appropriate

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I understand you could not predict my reaction, and that it is my own responsibilty to deal with that shit.

But a real life assault is likely to upset SOMEONE surely?

Every forum I've ever been on has had trigger warnings as normal and accepted etiquette.

apparently though, not here

 

[BlueViolet]

Back on topic, incidents like this are one reason why many Americans feel so strongly about preserving the right to keep a gun in the home for protection.

How do you know she didn't have a gun? Do you know she would be willing to shoot someone? Would having an easily accessible gun around mean that here 3 year old will blow her brains out at some point? Maybe a dog or locking her front door might be more appropriate

I have a gun and I'd totally be willing to shoot something like that, but it happens to be in the bedroom and if someone snuck in through my living room in broad daylight, I'd be kind of screwed on that. Thankfully, I've got a dog who is pretty adamant about his territory and not letting in strangers that we don't okay who is pretty much always in the living room.

Locking the door is definitely a thing you should do, though.

 

[bawksy]

But a real life assault is likely to upset SOMEONE surely?

We're ALL upset about it. So upset, in fact, that we'd love for the perpetrator to be brought to justice. Hence Boce posting this thread so that people might recognize him and alert the police.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

But a real life assault is likely to upset SOMEONE surely?

We're ALL upset about it. So upset, in fact, that we'd love for the perpetrator to be brought to justice. Hence Boce posting this thread so that people might recognize him and alert the police.

OK I said I wasn't reading anymore but shit...
Just in case I am misunderstood: I am not anti the purpose of this thread. I am simply asking for a trigger warning for something that is a common trigger for many many people.

This is so normal everywhere else on the internet, I am .. astounded that people here seem to think otherwise.

 

[Bocefish]

I understand you could not predict my reaction, and that it is my own responsibilty to deal with that shit.

But a real life assault is likely to upset SOMEONE surely?

Well, it extremely upset me and probably everyone else who saw it, which is one of the reasons I posted it. Not to the extent it did to you though and I'm sorry it triggered that. I want this guy caught and locked up. I was absolutely furious that a male human being his size would do that a woman for no friggin' reason. All he wanted was her jewelry and she would have probably gladly given him way more than he found by himself.

I usually only post warnings when there is blood or a death involved and like I said earlier, if it was an actual sexual assault I would NOT have posted it, warnings or not.

 

[bawksy]

This is so normal everywhere else on the internet, I am .. astounded that people here seem to think otherwise.

Google "Trigger warning".

First result:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning

First sentence:

Trigger warnings are customary in some feminist and other spaces

I guess many of us don't frequent that many feminist sites.
















oldfags like me remember the days before ACF was a feminist hangout

 

[camstory]

MASSIVE trigger warning needs to be in the TITLE of this post

thanks for that.

:text-yeahthat: YES, YES, YES!!! IF EVER THERE NEEDED TO BE A TRIG WARNING THIS IS IT! I don't like how I feel right now and I would have preferred to not have seen that, or at least been ready for it when I did!

 

[Nordling]

This is so normal everywhere else on the internet, I am .. astounded that people here seem to think otherwise.

Google "Trigger warning".

First result:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning

First sentence:

Trigger warnings are customary in some feminist and other spaces

I guess many of us don't frequent that many feminist sites.

oldfags like me remember the days before ACF was a feminist hangout

Yeah, I'm sure a site called "geekfeminism" is the definitive site for this issue, but even there, in your quote, it does say, "AND OTHER SPACES."

I really don't see why anyone should object to the request for warnings when something is particularly disturbing--and yeah, sometimes posters goof and post something without thinking out all the possible end results. It's just etiquette at the simplest level...like warning folks in a movie thread about "spoilers."

 

[Bocefish]

There were trigger warnings in the text describing the video. Just the blurry screen frozen there being a trigger for someone never even crossed my mind.

 

[bawksy]

Now we know about trigger warnings. Consider us all edumacated.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

There were trigger warnings in the text describing the video. Just the blurry screen frozen there being a trigger for someone never even crossed my mind.

That is OK, I can understand that.

That's why I told you, that it needed one. I just didn't expect you to attack me.

 

[Bocefish]

That was far from an attack on anyone and you assumed it was a sexual assault when it wasn't.

ETA: by the time I saw your post I couldn't have edited the title anyway and was unaware it was the actual cap instead of the video you were talking about.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

That was far from an attack on anyone and you assumed it was a sexual assault when it wasn't.

It was graphic enough that I felt it required a trigger post for everyone. Whether or not it was rape, sex or just violence.

Your snipey repsonses made me feel attacked. Perhaps you did not mean them this way. Perhaps you were just trying to belittle me.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

ETA: by the time I saw your post I couldn't have edited the title anyway and was unaware it was the actual cap instead of the video you were talking about.

So you message amber and say "hey can we edit this? Thanks"

 

[Bocefish]

ETA: by the time I saw your post I couldn't have edited the title anyway and was unaware it was the actual cap instead of the video you were talking about.

So you message amber and say "hey can we edit this? Thanks"

At that point, I was still unaware it was not the actual video you were talking about instead of the screen cap and I thought there was more than adequate warning about the video. I thought your initial "thanks for that" was snipey itself when I thought there was plenty of notification about the video content before anyone clicked on it. Let's just consider it a misunderstanding and communication failure.

 

[JickyJuly]

I think it's kind of sad that a thread Boce posted in order to bring to light a tragic crime against this woman was hijacked by another's discomfort. The title of the thread, to me, doesn't suggest there will be any actual animals because usually when we say "deserve to be caged" or some such thing we are referencing humans behaving badly. Why would any animal really deserve to be caged? Animals, even misbehaving animals, are meant to be wild. Secondarily, Boce often starts threads based on current events. I actually guessed what news story this thread was going to be about before opening it having read about it somewhere else.

On topic, kudos to this woman for holding her shit together to try to make the experience less traumatic for her children. It sucks that there are horrible and violent people in the world, but it's beautiful that even in the midst of victimization she thought of her children and not of herself. Some people can't even choose to put their children first in the best of circumstances.

Disclaimer: I didn't watch the video because I know that I can't handle visuals. I opted to read the news story instead.

 

[Jupiter551]

Report away. I had no idea you were that sensitive about an image like that especially since your own profile has video caps of women tied up and being flogged for sale.




I'll keep your sensitivity in mind for future postings but not promising it won't happen again sometime in the distant future.

lol if bawksy's the forum troll you're the forum asshole :thumbleft:

 

[Jupiter551]

Back on topic, incidents like this are one reason why many Americans feel so strongly about preserving the right to keep a gun in the home for protection.

How do you know she didn't have a gun? Do you know she would be willing to shoot someone? Would having an easily accessible gun around mean that here 3 year old will blow her brains out at some point? Maybe a dog or locking her front door might be more appropriate

Well, if she'd had a gun we may well have seen him take it from her and shoot her in front of her son...

 

[Bocefish]

Just calling it as I saw it. Thanks for the compliments though. :thumbleft:

 

[Bocefish]

Well, if she'd had a gun we may well have seen him take it from her and shoot her in front of her son...

No we wouldn't because her infant son was upstairs sleeping. Facts aside, she could have easily shot him dead in his tracks too if she was armed and had a little training.

 

[Diana Blake]

Amber will most likely put a trigger warning on the thread and that will clear this up. I'm actually very surprised at how far this has gone; both in the case of models and of members. I think this is case of defenses being up long before any offense was made, no one was actually attacking anyone else but feathers were ruffled and you snapped back. It's human, it's totally understandable but it doesn't need to be more than it is. What was trying to be done here was a noble cause. I good cause. Men like this do need to be apprehended. However, no one needs to be belittled for having an emotional reaction to a graphic image. Images of fear, hate and violence are extremely powerful things and should be thought of carefully before thrown into any passing face.

Boce, no one is mad at you for posting the video. It's how you did so. Maybe next time just put the link instead of the still frame? It's a noble cause you're trying for, and smart considering how many people visit this site daily. The traffic we get here might even lead to this man being apprehended. But keep in mind that for many of us this site is a haven, it's where we come when we've had a bad day and on a bad day we're hit a lot harder by our emotions.

And for those insisting trigger warnings are just for feminists, I just want to leave this here. Anyone here frequent cracked.com? It's a funny website. Articles about comic books, scientific WTFs and various other things. For anyone that thinks trigger warnings and censorship are feminist bullshit this website--a primarily male website--went out of their way to warn people about a graphic image in this article that touched on a famous photo from the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing. (on page 2)

http://www.cracked.com/article_20513_6- ... amous.html

It's a photo a lot of us saw in '95 when this happened and it was on the cover of freaking Newsweek but they still felt the need to censor it for those that might be affected by such a graphic image. Trigger Warnings and self censorship aren't just for feminists, it's for pretty much anyone that realizes that not everyone is okay being blindsided by graphic images. Hell, I tend to go to the top of the screen and hit view unanswered posts" and just hit next topic until I've gone through most everything on the forum. It doesn't allow me to see the title of the thread before I go there and even if it did...for all I knew you were talking about genetically altered spider-koala. Those sound like something I'd want caged, the webbing would most likely be very messy.

Beyond that, there have been many many threads of similar titles condemning breeds of dog like pitbulls and dobermans. They have a bad name, they look scary and people tend to over react and insist that they're all violent and viscous dogs and that the breed needs to be wiped out. Jicky's right, "Deserve to be in Cages" is not something we normally use for animals but Lolli being the animal activist she is was mostly likely worried about the same kind of posts I just mentioned. She was ready to defend a furbaby, not get hit with a graphic scene.

Okay, that's my word fuck for now. I hope everyone can learn something from this incident. Also...Bawksy's only bring up gun laws because he's mad that the men in white coats won't let him have one.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Being a camgirl or playing games on xbox live seems like the worst thing someone so sensitive to this could do.

 

[Bocefish]

The good news is that since the video has been made public, the local PD there has received dozens of calls from people saying they know the attacker so he should be locked up soon.

 

[Gen]

Being a camgirl or playing games on xbox live seems like the worst thing someone so sensitive to this could do.

What does being a camgirl have to do with this? I've never had a guy in my room send me a video of a woman being assaulted...?

Also playing on Xbox Live can be shitty for women regardless of if you're sensitive or not, imo.

The good news is that since the video has been made public, the local PD there has received dozens of calls from people saying they know the attacker so he should be locked up soon.

That's awesome!! I'm glad to hear it.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

What does being a camgirl have to do with this? I've never had a guy in my room send me a video of a woman being assaulted...?

Also playing on Xbox Live can be shitty for women regardless of if you're sensitive or not, imo.

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Have you had any trolls bring up rape? One might argue that a real life person saying he wants to rape you is far worse than a still picture. The xbox comment was about how all I ever hear is people saying stuff like "get raped" while they teabag me. Good to know animals like this will soon be in a cage.

 

[Ariel_Moon]

I hope the guy gets locked up.

I have no idea why someone who clearly has PTSD issues over violence has been laughed at for her request for a trigger warning, and then had completely unrelated aspects of her sex life thrown in her face.

I have no idea why people who claim that 'people shouldn't be sensitive its just teh internetz' are getting at butthurt at the notion that they might have to use *GASP* TRIGGER WARNINGS. WHAT A TERRIBLE INFRINGEMENT OF YOUR FREEDOMS. You guys know what trigger warnings are, right? They are not censorship, it's just a few extra words in the title (warning may trigger rape/violence/abuse/whatever) that means that someone who does have PTSD or issues regarding the matter knows to stay the fuck away from the thread. Then,if they read and complain, you have a total right to be like 'Well...you could choose not to read it. '

It's totally understandable that Boce didn't know or think about the concept of triggers in this post. What I don't understand is the defensiveness and the implication that she was over reacting. Also the BDSM comment makes absolutely no sense,and made me shudder from all the wrongs.

Anyway. I'm out of this thread.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Someone should try to further educate us on some of this stuff. Can stuff like UFC or WWE trigger anything? What about things that just remind the person of the attacker?

 

[Ariel_Moon]

Someone should try to further educate us on some of this stuff. Can stuff like UFC or WWE trigger anything? What about things that just remind the person of the attacker?

I think it totally depends on the person. Sure, stuff like UFC and WWE could trigger people,depending on the level of trauma they had been through.
However I'm not about to start saying we should be posting trigger warnings if we post porno vids of two girls mud wrestling or something. Although I do think that the level of responsibility should not lie solely with the person with PTSD, I do think that there should be SOME responsibility there.

Someone could be triggered by something unusual like flowers or something, because of some specific horrible experience they had had, but it would be a bit silly to expect everyone to post trigger warnings every time they talked about daisies or some shit that people do not normally relate to being traumatic.

I think it's just about being a bit more aware that there are a lot of people who have been through some serious shit, and it's nice to consider that when posting about that serious shit in a public place.

Like, the difference between UFC, WWE and BDSM and roleplay is that the acts that are happening between the people are CONSENSUAL. The wrestlers knew what they were getting into when they stepped into the ring. That was the deal. there is a referee and all the rules are clear. Likewise, the Dom and the Sub play with power and pain and they both know what they are getting into and they both LIKE IT. They have safe words, the rules are clear.

It's very different to posting real life pictures of a woman (or man) being beaten up, against her will. This was not consensual. This was abuse, there are no rules and will therefore naturally evoke different emotions. It is particularity difficult for victims of abuse, because they have already been through an ordeal where they feel very much powerless, and it can often put them right back in that situation again. They have no control, it' can feel like the same abuse all over again. It is especially difficult when they are then laughed at, or told to 'get over it.'

I am by no means an expert on trigger warnings but here is when I use them:
When talking explicitly about a subject matter that is very traumatic, like abuse, torture, violence, rape, eating disorders,self harm, suicide...I'm sure there are many other examples but these are the subject matters I can think of straight away.
I do not use trigger warnings if I am just mentioning or talking in a manner of fact way about these things, however if I am going into them in great detail/relaying emotions/relaying personal experience in detail/posting a link to an article or story of someone who talks in great detail about these things....then I will post a trigger warning.

I also use trigger warnings before posting PICTURES or VIDEOS of any of the above. It's important that the trigger warning can definitely be seen before the pictures/video.

I don't know. Some people may think this is all too sensitive, but me and my group of friends are very open with each other, so I know what some of them have been through. Some of them have had very sheltered lives, but others have been raped, known people who have been murdered and my friends family has been tortured in a war zone and had to flee their country so I know what some people have had to go through, and don't think it's that much effort, from my position of privilege, to have to think a bit before I say/post things.