It would also discourage spending and tank the economy. No? (Ageeeing with you and tacking on this downside to his idea.)
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What do you propose they do with people who can't pass the physical?
Should people who were only healthy at the time of this physical be entitled to healthcare ?
What happens if someone already had a serious illness that came on shortly before this "physical"?
Would you make provisions for people suffering from terminal illnesses like cancer or life changing ones like MS?
Most of Europe and Canada have free universal healthcare and it works fine.
Agree. I mean, we're the richest nation in history and we supposedly can't afford that? Something is wrong here.
Free healthcare only for the healthy seems like a pretty ridiculous notion to me.
@heybarkeep I'm just wondering why you rated my post as funny.
It seems like whenever you can't answer a question or disagree with someone you reply with turds or irrelevant emojis.
Are you sure you're old enough to be working in a bar?
It seems like whenever you can't answer a question or disagree with someone you reply with turds or irrelevant emojis.
Are you sure you're old enough to be working in a bar?
Zero desire to converse with the cringe crew, more enjoyable to just laugh. I fear prolonged interactions with them will leave me as corny and unlikable as they are. I also don't work at a bar. Also, the healthcare comment was more about expressing frustration with American obesity than an attempt at being a serious solution. Free healthcare for all would be lovely but is a completely different problem.
I figure if a person was really concerned about American obesity, the better "if I made the laws" solution would be to stop the heavy subsidies for trash crops like corn and soy, and dismantling the institutional web built around putting all that trash in nearly everything edible produced in this country, along with halting long-standing special-interest-driven government programs that pointedly misinform and mislead the public regarding proper nutrition.
If we want people to eat better, we should make better the food they eat.
If we want people to eat better, we should make better the food they eat.
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I live in Iowa, where you would think it would be cheap to eat healthy, but it's still far more affordable to buy processed crap that makes you fat, than it is to buy produce and decent nutrition. I ate very clean for about three months a couple of years ago, and while I felt great, Jesus fuck was it expensive! It cost me almost three times more to feed myself than it normally does.
I come from a farming family, and, damn, have things changed in the past couple generations. My grandfather started running the farm at 18 when his father died, and back then, farming was keeping some livestock and a sizeable garden to feed the family from, plus a few fields of cash crops to make money off of. By the time my mom was born, there was less emphasis on feeding the family off the land and more on making money. This was around the time that the government started subsidizing crap crops. Though they still had some hogs, I have no idea if they ate them or just raised them to sell. They still had a vegetable garden for a while. They all had horses growing up. By the time I was born, the farm was purely for profit. There was one corner of the field by the house with sweet corn (until he got tired of the deer eating too much of it and stopped growing it), everything else was feed corn and soybeans. No more hogs, and the horses were gone, but grandpa rented the pasture out to people who needed somewhere to keep their sheep, until they finally took the fence down. He actually retired a couple years ago and now rents the fields out to other farmers to grow in.
When you drive out in the country now, you see tiny signs next to every field telling you which type of (government-sponsored) corn is being grown.
I agree with this, I also think laws should go further in not allowing places that sell junk food to advertise on TV as well as having to cut down some of the unhealthy and addictive ingredients. I also think that supermarkets need to have less emphasis placed on junk food. I don't know what it's like in American stores, but in England for example in my local shop, there is only a tiny portion for fruit and vegetables. Everywhere you go in the shop you get bombarded with unhealthy options and the aisles for cakes and sweets is bigger than that for the fresh, healthy food. I used to shop in Lidl which is a german supermarket and found it far easier to shop healthily because of the layout of the shop. The first place you walked through was the sweet and cake aisle, but once you were through that was it. Even the snacks at the tills were deliberately healthy ones. The fruit and vegetables took up a large potion of the shop.
You would hope that people have enough self control to avoid impulse buys, but if you're in the supermarket and you're surrounded by tasty treats which you want but aren't good for you it can be hard to not get a few extra things.
I think also going with obesity, I would have some kind of compulsory fun fitness things to do every morning at school to get children used to doing exercise when they wake up. I think one thing that schools make a mistake on with gym classes is when they realise you aren't great at a sport they sideline you and don't let you play in any teams. This doesn't send a good image as exercise should be something everyone should do regularly for the rest of their lives. I can just always remember schools making most gym classes pretty unpleasant and very based on competition. While in most cases I don't agree with the "no winners, everyone wins by participation" attitude as it doesn't reflect on real life, I think when it comes to sports that everyone's bodies are so different and looking at people's personal bests rather than comparing them to students who are naturally athletic would be more productive. At the end of the day, most children are never going to pursue a career in sport or athletics, but you are hoping that every child will continue regular exercise through their lives. If your first feelings towards exercise are of negative feedback then that will stick with you for the rest of your life. I think it's fine to have teams where you take it all seriously, but I still think those who want to take part who aren't as good should be able to play in their own team with the same support and encouragement.
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I question the thought process from those of you whom think Gov't is the answer to things...
Yeah, I said I was going to stay out of this further. However, this is but one example why I don't trust the Gov't and exactly why I believe that simplyfying laws and the tax code will help reign our elected officials in a little more. The more complex we allow them to make Gov't, the easier it is for them to hide things...
Ahh no problem, I thought you were being serious. Thanks for clearing that up for me, despite having no desire to.
Also thanks for your extremely non-corny and likable words.
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This is funny considering just a few months ago you were whining about "button mashers" and how the use of them "stifles discussions", yet here we are...
I don't think I want the government to be put into the position of making more decisions for me, that I am more than able to make myself. The government already does this to a degree with what are known as "Sin Taxes"...taxes on alcohol, tobacco..etc. If people want to drink, smoke, ingest drugs, over-eat or a host of other things that Americans do everyday, then that's on them, right?. What ever happened to the idea that we're a free society, and that we will eventually pay a cost for what we put into our bodies? The notion that I should agree to, and be forced to pay for insurance on behalf of these people is something that I disagree with.
I actually don't get this is you don't have free healthcare. I guess I can understand that alcohol related crimes can cost the taxpayer money, so I can see why you might tax it a little bit more, and cigarette butts are litter, but it doesn't make much sense besides. In England those things are taxed pretty heavily, but it's due to how much those things cost the national health service in diseases etc.
The problem is that idea can be extended to other areas. I don't want to pay for roads I'll never use. I have no children, why should I pay for schools? I don't want to pay for fire protection for others, especially if they do things like smoke in bed.
But I pay for these things willingly because it's the price for a civilized society. I'm willing to be part of a nationwide insurance system so others aren't bankrupted by medical problems.
Button mashing whenever a dude doesn't completely agree with a woman is only one of the many extremely embarrassing activities regularly enjoyed by The Cringe Crew. Cringe Crew activities include but are not limited to
Going out of your way to try and find things to pretend to be offended by
Being pitied
Blaming everything on others/having zero accountability
Always thinking the worst of people/Whiny and depressingly negative assumptions
Logic and Science being frowned upon
Psuedo Science and making up facts
Emotions and anecdotes trumping all
Lacking self awareness
Oozing hatred for men
Being afraid of everything
Being comically unlikable while in a business where being likable is important and wondering why you aren't very successful
I can't take credit for the nickname but find it hilariously accurate.
Where's the "apparently moderately successful troll attempt" button?
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Cringe Crew? Cringe Crew? That name right there is the only cringe I see. Eesh.
First law I would enact is banning the use of "The Cringe Crew."
For what it's worth, absolutely nothing, the name was created by a camgirl and long time member of the forum. Makes me chuckle, won't lie.
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Law #2: Free beer for everyone. Brought to your doorstep by a bald eagle.
EDIT: typo stays
The first search result of someone using the term shows up as you, barfkeep.
EDIT: typo stays
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Law #3: Healthcare and stuff.
Oh no? Please enlighten me, oh great barfkeep. For I am so dumb that I cannot understand.
The dullards reminded me of some more favorite pastimes enjoyed by the crew
Taking everything personally
Assuming other women aren't wildly embarrassed by their behavior
Taking everything personally
Assuming other women aren't wildly embarrassed by their behavior
No, the idea cannot be extended to other areas, because being taxed for roads and infrastructure is a far cry from being forced to pay for something so someone can ruin their livers from drinking, eating their way into obesity or using drugs until their brains have holes in them and their teeth fall out. If someone drove around with a jackhammer purposefully putting potholes on these roads you talk about, I'm fairly certain they would be arrested in short order. Roads decline from regular use over time, not conscious and purposeful misuse - as is the case with the majority of our present health issues in this country.
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I see this argument often, and it sort of works, but only if taken all the way through. If we want to go this route, we need to actually have all the alcoholics, obese people and drug users die. Ideally quickly and in the most efficient manner possible that causes the minimum cost to society.
This is logical, but to most of us, not morally acceptable. So, we get what actually happens... These folks end up in the emergency room, receive very costly care, are billed, can't pay, and the cost is recouped by charging insurance companies a bit more for the other services, which raises our premiums. Now indigent and possibly disabled, the uninsured draw other services, and the cycle repeats.
One of the major goals of the ACA was to encourage preventative care and education so that these emergency room visits would happen less frequently, and thus care would be delivered more efficiently, costs would go down for all of us, and hopefully some of those folks would get back to being productive, tax paying members of society. No one will claim that the ACA was perfect in executing this, but given the massive amount of compromise involved, it did quite well.
Every other country on earth has found that going all the way to universal healthcare has worked for them. I see no reason it wouldn't work for us. ...or we can go with death camps / suicide booths.
So yeah, #1 is universal health care.
#2 is obviously the bald eagle beer on the doorstep. Gotta keep that healthcare system busy
Says the guy who does things like proposing whole new healthcare systems and ways to deal with obesity and when questioned on it out of curiosity goes back and says he did not mean what he said and rates the questions as funny.
You're an interesting guy @heybarkeep, you like to make statements and put opinions out there a lot and your confidence in what you're saying is clearly very impressive as every time someone actually disagrees with you you rate their opinion as a bad troll attempt.
I could go on but you've actually summarized yourself perfectly in the post that I am replying to, so thanks for that, saves some typing. (Change hatred for men to woman and it's spot on)
All hail king barkeep! You're like a modern age oracle.
P.s Feel free to rate my post as a turd, I'd be honored to receive one from a demigod like you.
lol moody camboy is on his period. For the record, I've given out twelve shitpost ratings total to I think four different shitposters and not once was it for disagreeing with me.
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