A Woman's Perspective On This Please

[Bocefish]

What say you?

http://www.vevo.com/watch/robin-thicke/ ... UV71300526

 

[LailaBaise]

about what?

 

[LailaBaise]

I think the ladies are very pretty and the song is fun and dancy I like the singing too. Me likey.

 

[Sidapete]

Robin Thicke has a big dick. *sagenod*

 

[Bocefish]

about what?

Some women are saying it's promoting rape due to the lyrics.

 

[LailaBaise]

about what?

Some women are saying it's promoting rape due to the lyrics.

I can relate to the lyrics as being a playful, flirty, coy acting but totally up for it female in "da club" (back in the day!) and I don't think it is promoting rape. In my personal opinion, of course.

 

[AshleyMarks]

I am 100% sure that all of the women in the video were held down and tortured, then persuaded into making the video.(Sarcasm, of course) :roll: The women in the video are attractive and I have always liked Pharell. To me, the only thing that promotes rape is parents not teaching their sons and daughters that it isn't okay to force someone into sex with you. Knowledge is power. You know all of the sexually suggestive ads in magazines? Do those promote rape? No. Society in and of itself promotes it because they don't talk to their kids to tell them that it isn't right. If this was a female's video, and not a man's video, I can guarantee that things would be looked at differently.
Women sometimes like to over-analyze things. I know, because I do it too.

ETA: Oops, I didn't see the post about the lyrics. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/robinthi ... lines.html
For those who want to study them more closely.
and a news article:
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2013/06/ ... rape-song/

I think alot of songs could be said to promote violence, but it is up to the person to make the right choice.

 

[Rose]

It's catchy and the blonde is hot.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I dunno, all I saw was hot naked chicks and sexy dudes in suits. No problem here!

 

[mynameisbob84]

He's no Marvin...



... but I don't think he's promoting rape either. I think the song is about a guy wanting to fuck a girl he's met in a club in ways that her boyfriend won't or can't. And while she's not willing to fuck him, she is willing to flirt with him. Thicke, Pharrell and T.I react to the whole scene with obnoxious male braggadocio but some chicks dig that, I guess :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sevrin]

So would it be okay to go into a model's room, call her a "bitch" and tell her "I know you want it"?

 

[mynameisbob84]

So would it be okay to go into a model's room, call her a "bitch" and tell her "I know you want it"?

No. But going into a model's room and calling her a bitch is a million miles away from writing a song in which you refer to a fictional character as the same :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sevrin]

So would it be okay to go into a model's room, call her a "bitch" and tell her "I know you want it"?

No. But going into a model's room and calling her a bitch is a million miles away from writing a song in which you refer to a fictional character as the same :twocents-02cents:

One of the reasons people go into model's rooms and disrespect them is because they see pop singers make millions doing just that.

 

[mynameisbob84]

So would it be okay to go into a model's room, call her a "bitch" and tell her "I know you want it"?

No. But going into a model's room and calling her a bitch is a million miles away from writing a song in which you refer to a fictional character as the same :twocents-02cents:

One of the reasons people go into model's rooms and disrespect them is because they see pop singers make millions doing just that.

People going into model's rooms calling them a bitch, do so because they're either misogynists, trolls or deeply unhappy themselves (or all three). I don't buy that they do it because they once heard a rich pop star use the world "bitch".

 

[Nordling]

So would it be okay to go into a model's room, call her a "bitch" and tell her "I know you want it"?

No. But going into a model's room and calling her a bitch is a million miles away from writing a song in which you refer to a fictional character as the same :twocents-02cents:

One of the reasons people go into model's rooms and disrespect them is because they see pop singers make millions doing just that.

People going into model's rooms calling them a bitch, do so because they're either misogynists, trolls or deeply unhappy themselves (or all three). I don't buy that they do it because they once heard a rich pop star use the world "bitch".

Not once, of course not. But when that word is used as common place as "ice cream" in our current culture, it does set a green light to its use. I do agree that music and popular culture rarely causes actual assault or murder but speech and how it is degraded is very affected by it. When I was in my teens and 20s, using that word was a rarity, and it was never heard even in the grungiest of music. Proof of correlation? No, but good evidence.

 

[JoleneBrody]

 

[Sevrin]

Not once, of course not. But when that word is used as common place as "ice cream" in our current culture, it does set a green light to its use. I do agree that music and popular culture rarely causes actual assault or murder but speech and how it is degraded is very affected by it. When I was in my teens and 20s, using that word was a rarity, and it was never heard even in the grungiest of music. Proof of correlation? No, but good evidence.

Yeah, at the risk of sounding like an old fart, what passes for acceptable public speech has changed a lot. And it's not due to the anonymity provided by the internet, either. I've been reading a lot recently about the challenges of teaching in high schools and even in elementary schools, especially with regard to the language students use to address their teachers. I don't think I can remember another student swearing at a teacher, but it seems to happen quite a lot now, especially to female teachers.

It seems to me pretty naive to think that young people are unaffected by examples from popular culture in the way they speak, when it obviously influences their mode of dress, predilection for tattoos, consumption patterns, etc. It's not like recent weather patterns are likely to be the reason young people started to display their underwear or wear baseball caps backwards.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh! This is the song I've been hearing with the Michael Jackson "Ohh!!!" in the background. I don't listen to the radio anymore, but I've heard this song on other people's car radios, and I didn't know it was by Robin Thicke. Speaking of pretty ladies, this is a picture of his wife Paula Patton:

Also, I don't think the song is promoting rape. If Robin Thicke was singing something like "Girl, if you tell me 'no'...I'll stick it in anyway, ho...," then I could see why people would think of rape.

I'm a little surprised that he used the word 'bitch' three times in the song, but I'm not gonna make a fuss over that when I have other CDs with far worse language than that (Notorious B.I.G., Foxy Brown, Lil' Kim...). It's not like he's saying it to me personally. And yeah, if some MFC member came into my room and started calling me 'bitch', that wouldn't be cool. I've had people say I'm a 'sexy ass bitch', and I'd correct them and be like "Well, I'm definitely not a bitch, but I'm glad you think I'm sexy." I know some models are into the whole 'being called names' thing, and that's fine, but just don't come into my room assuming it's cool to talk to me that way. :twocents-02cents: .

 

[Anonymous]

Robin Thicke has a big dick. *sagenod*

"I'll give you something big enough to tear your ass in two." LOL. Yikes, that sounds like it may hurt!

 

[mynameisbob84]

Not once, of course not. But when that word is used as common place as "ice cream" in our current culture, it does set a green light to its use. I do agree that music and popular culture rarely causes actual assault or murder but speech and how it is degraded is very affected by it. When I was in my teens and 20s, using that word was a rarity, and it was never heard even in the grungiest of music. Proof of correlation? No, but good evidence.

Yeah, at the risk of sounding like an old fart, what passes for acceptable public speech has changed a lot. And it's not due to the anonymity provided by the internet, either. I've been reading a lot recently about the challenges of teaching in high schools and even in elementary schools, especially with regard to the language students use to address their teachers. I don't think I can remember another student swearing at a teacher, but it seems to happen quite a lot now, especially to female teachers.

It seems to me pretty naive to think that young people are unaffected by examples from popular culture in the way they speak, when it obviously influences their mode of dress, predilection for tattoos, consumption patterns, etc. It's not like recent weather patterns are likely to be the reason young people started to display their underwear or wear baseball caps backwards.

Sure, the proliferation of words like "bitch" in popular culture is ultimately gonna have a detrimental effect on the outlook of the very young and the incredibly stupid. But context is key. The version of the song/video linked here is not the version that will be playing on radio and TV (at least not pre-watershed) and is not the version that kids will be exposed to. This version of the song is clearly aimed at adults. The fact that a minor might stumble across it is not a reason for it not to exist (I don't think).

Kids being exposed to music and film and television that features casual or hateful usage of words like "bitch" (or any derogatory slur) is bad, but kids not being taught by their parents and their teachers from an early age about respect, and context, and the meaning of words, and their power, and the importance of not being a mysogynist prick when they grow up is far, far worse.

And as for adults thinking it's okay to call women "bitches" because they heard a singer or an actor do it a bunch of times on television... I fear they may be a lost cause, ya know?

 

[southsamurai]

the use of bitch has become so multilayered that its confusing sometimes. any word can be used as an insult. i could say "you are such a couch" in the right way and it would be an insult, if a confusing one.
bitch used to be used as an insult when not referring to a female dog. growing up it was one of the two worst things you could call a female human. then change hit. in the late 80s early 90s women reclaimed it. it became a term of empowerment. "yes im a bitch, i am strong, opinionated and willing to stand up for myself" then it also was used as a playful term of endearment type of insult among women with each other, and in the gay community.

i think that it has become a far less impacting word here in the 20teens. not that it cant be used as an insult still, and it sure pisses some people off. but the last 10 or so times ive heard a female called a bitch as an insult the response was along the lines of " and? i know i am , what of it?" or "oh, you havent seem me be a bitch yet, just wait"

from what i can tell as the language shifts in its slow continental plate way "cunt" is the new bitch (though i despise saying anything is the new anything). i know plenty of women who just laugh at being called a bitch, but not one who wont threaten you with castration or worse for being called a cunt.

i know, this is all off topic, and i should probably start a thread just for the idea of linguistic shifts, but it was germain to the tangent that had been taken so far.

 

[Aella]

I call men bitches and women dicks. Just for the fuck of it.

 

[Just Me]

I am not a woman but I find the video completely sexist and misogynistic with zero artistic value. The song itself is no more terrible than a thousand other songs out there that objectify women. I think Robin Thicke has a decent voice and the song itself is nicely arranged. I assume he is related to Alan Thicke, due to the unusual spelling of the last name?

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I assume he is related to Alan Thicke, due to the unusual spelling of the last name?

Yes he is. His mother is Gloria Loring, alan's first wife from '70 to '83.

 

[Anonymous]

I assume he is related to Alan Thicke, due to the unusual spelling of the last name?

I had to Google the name to know who you're talking about, and recognized the face. Yeah, it says that Alan Thicke is his dad, and I do see the resemblance.

 

[zippypinhead]

I call men bitches and women dicks. Just for the fuck of it.

Some women just want to watch the world burn.

 

[Just Me]

It's our opinion that most attempts to show female objectification in the media by swapping the genders serve more to ridicule the male body than to highlight the extent to which women get objectified and do everyone a disservice. We made this video specifically to show a spectrum of sexuality as well as present both women and men in a positive light, one where objectifying men is more than alright and where women can be strong and sexy without negative repercussions.

 

[MandyMetal]

about what?

Some women are saying it's promoting rape due to the lyrics.

I can relate to the lyrics as being a playful, flirty, coy acting but totally up for it female in "da club" (back in the day!) and I don't think it is promoting rape. In my personal opinion, of course.

I actually thought it was more about flirting with a married woman. I think there is a whole verse about it. "girl you dont need no papers. that man is not your maker"

idk though. lyrics are lyrics. lol.


I don't think it's promoting rape though.

 

[Rose]

It's our opinion that most attempts to show female objectification in the media by swapping the genders serve more to ridicule the male body than to highlight the extent to which women get objectified and do everyone a disservice. We made this video specifically to show a spectrum of sexuality as well as present both women and men in a positive light, one where objectifying men is more than alright and where women can be strong and sexy without negative repercussions.

Woa..... Long hair. :drool:

I may need fresh panties.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I dug the parody but don't really understand the feminist/political angle. It was arguing that female objectification is not okay by turning the tables and objectifying men, only I didn't get a sense of those men being objectified. Just as I didn't get a sense the women in the original video were being objectified. In both videos, the "objectified" seem to be enjoying themselves and are abstract representations of the characters that inhabit the song, as opposed to just being there as set dressing.