A (not so) brief warning - Model Hottblondeuk

[Misono]

Police and MFC are a waste of time really, neither will do anything. MFC once in a great while might do something, refund tokens, maybe give the model a warning but that is about it and is not guaranteed.

I was thinking more along the lines of "if he had used MFC the way it was intended and done a private show for tokens he wouldn't have been able to be scammed".

I usually have no pity for people who circumvent the normal way to use a cam site then get scammed.

Certainly, but since the majority of models do offer services or content outside of using MFC the way it was intended I do not think he deserved to be scammed. Maybe I missed something in my reading but it did not appear to me the member was trying to circumvent the normal way but it was the model who did so.

I am not sure why any person would think third party backdoor porn transactions are a good idea.

I have certainly never gotten the idea that camsites are snug, cozy little family-run operations where all the girls play by the rules and nobody gets hurt. Granted, I've done stupid things out of sheer horny desire, but piggybacking an illegal Paypal transaction on a live sex site - specifically to go outside of the site where any protection could occur - is something nobody sane could believe is "safe" by any means.

No one deserves to be scammed, but people who don't make smart financial decisions don't keep their money. Whether or not the model beg, tricked, or pleaded with him to get a Paypal transaction, it takes minimal human reasoning to figure out that both parties have a good chance of getting screwed.

If anyone, model or member, uses Paypal, that is a pretty clear indication that one of them is planning on scamming the other. I understand if Misono is new to the wonderful world of pr0n that he might have not known that, but at least this is a good lesson learned. My understanding is that getting blacklisted from Paypal is pretty shit, considering how much of the Internet relies on it. I don't know if there is a way to get money back without getting the boot, though.

I've been around MFC since late 2010, having ended up here randomly after being snowed in 150 miles from home. In that time, I have done a few shows outside of MFC, and in that time neither myself or the model have been scammed at all. It was always a payment, usually in tokens, agreed time, then action. In this case, I put that trust in to someone who had other ideas, paid the price for doing so, and now just putting a notice out so that others don't fall into the same trap.

I can live without the cash, but it's more on principle. I make a couple thousand a month from the day job, and spend a tiny proportion of that income at MFC. But I give myself set amounts, and stick to them. If someone has dishonestly obtained that cash, then it is deprivation for someone else, who as previously stated might be able to better use that small amount of income.

 

[ComicOzzie]

Skype shows, even when run by models who are trustworthy, feel too dodgy for me to ever want to try them out. Too much can go wrong, even with the best of intentions on both sides. I've seen it happen again and again, a if you ever surf around comment sections of model profiles, you're bound to run into ranting complaints by members regarding failed Skype shows. To me, that enough evidence to convince me it's not worth it. Then again, I often get a paranoid twinge even when paying for pic sets and video links, until I actually have them in my virtual hands.

I've had dozens of Skype shows with MFC models and have yet to be scammed by one. If you already have a good relationship with the model, the odds of her scamming you are pretty negligible. :twocents-02cents:

 

[zippypinhead]

Skype shows, even when run by models who are trustworthy, feel too dodgy for me to ever want to try them out. Too much can go wrong, even with the best of intentions on both sides. I've seen it happen again and again, a if you ever surf around comment sections of model profiles, you're bound to run into ranting complaints by members regarding failed Skype shows. To me, that enough evidence to convince me it's not worth it. Then again, I often get a paranoid twinge even when paying for pic sets and video links, until I actually have them in my virtual hands.

I've had dozens of Skype shows with MFC models and have yet to be scammed by one. If you already have a good relationship with the model, the odds of her scamming you are pretty negligible. :twocents-02cents:

It's not really a worry about scamming so much as it is a matter of mitigating the complications involved with getting what I want. Arranging a Skype show seems like a lot of work with a lot of potential for things to go wrong.

 

[Misono]

Trying to have a discussion with them now via MFC PM as they offered via Whatsapp to make good by the end of the day. So far I've had:

hottblondeuk: who are you n ??
Misono: was speaking to you on whatsapp about this
Misono: just trying to stop card company causing you hassle by annoying your ex and then him grassing you up
hottblondeuk: so what can i doo ??
hottblondeuk: its ok he hasnt done nothink wrong x
Misono: you said he'd stolen the money from you, and was lying to get it
Misono: is that not correct?

Suddenly problems with the cam not displaying, and the replies dried up. Just hoping to get some sort of resolution, then I can get to sending around tokens to those on the thread who offered constructive feedback!

 

[JickyJuly]

Follow the conversation, man. Using Paypal to pay for adult services is against Paypal tos. Using Paypal to sell adult services is against Paypal tos. Using offsite payment methods is against MFC tos for both the model and member. She didn't force him to use Paypal or use the "gift" option for a non-gift. He's an adult. She's an adult. They both know they're breaking rules all over the place. He made a bad decision to get a better deal on a Skype show, and it ended up NOT being a better deal. She'll run out of goobers to play the same trick on and lose money. He lost money now. Neither has much room for whining.

I think we just have a different understanding of the word scammy. Had he been looking for paypal shows then yeah he'd seem kinda scammy to me. Seems like he just wanted a show from this model and obliged her request to use paypal. What a scammer.

You've misunderstood me. I used the word correctly. To do things as she suggested, he has to scam both Paypal and MFC. The fact that it wasn't HIS idea doesn't minimize that. Meanwhile, she scammed Paypal, MFC and him! He got outscammed. If he had done things properly, his last available option wouldn't be to whine here at us about it.

Trying to have a discussion with them now via MFC PM as they offered via Whatsapp to make good by the end of the day. So far I've had:

hottblondeuk: who are you n ??
Misono: was speaking to you on whatsapp about this
Misono: just trying to stop card company causing you hassle by annoying your ex and then him grassing you up
hottblondeuk: so what can i doo ??
hottblondeuk: its ok he hasnt done nothink wrong x
Misono: you said he'd stolen the money from you, and was lying to get it
Misono: is that not correct?

Suddenly problems with the cam not displaying, and the replies dried up. Just hoping to get some sort of resolution, then I can get to sending around tokens to those on the thread who offered constructive feedback!

Why should you care if the money was stolen from her? If I'm mugged, my debts are still outstanding. Honestly, just take this as a lesson and don't follow your erection past red flags (also a good rule in real life). Accept your part in the mess, be happy knowing that this scam won't serve her long term and move on. At this point, you're wasting time and time is money man.

 

[Brum2011]

It's obvious that its a scam and she will just give you excuses after excuses. Just report it to the police so you get your crime reference number (sucks ass that credit card companies won't act without that number) and get your money back from your credit card.

I don't think you should just let it ago even though it was a small amount of money. It's the principle of the situation and if she knows she can get away with it then she will carry on doing it to others and although people will wise up, I think it's unfair that decent models will get tarred with the same brush over her actions.

 

[Misono]

Why should you care if the money was stolen from her? If I'm mugged, my debts are still outstanding. Honestly, just take this as a lesson and don't follow your erection past red flags (also a good rule in real life). Accept your part in the mess, be happy knowing that this scam won't serve her long term and move on. At this point, you're wasting time and time is money man.

Just to confirm your stance on this, but you're happy for people who are completely legit, never scam anyone, to potentially miss out on things because it's not good etiquette to chase someone up when they're quite clearly in the wrong?

Can I also confirm that you are against reminders to members, which is pretty much one of the key points of this thread when starting out, that these things can happen and to be more vigilant?

 

[Misono]

And just going to add onto that, I can't find anything on Paypal to say it's not allowed. The wording "certain adult services" is too ambiguous to be a binding contract term under UK law.

Feel free to point out, and signpost, any reference specifically to that, but in the absence of it, it would appear that the transaction itself didn't break any T&C's within the jurisdiction, and if it has, the wording has to specifically word it that way, or it's deemed an unfair term. Under UK law, and I again have to stress the differences between UK and US here, that term would be completely invalid, meaning that in Paypal sending the payment, they've accepted it and completed the contract.

 

[JickyJuly]

Why should you care if the money was stolen from her? If I'm mugged, my debts are still outstanding. Honestly, just take this as a lesson and don't follow your erection past red flags (also a good rule in real life). Accept your part in the mess, be happy knowing that this scam won't serve her long term and move on. At this point, you're wasting time and time is money man.

Just to confirm your stance on this, but you're happy for people who are completely legit, never scam anyone, to potentially miss out on things because it's not good etiquette to chase someone up when they're quite clearly in the wrong?

Can I also confirm that you are against reminders to members, which is pretty much one of the key points of this thread when starting out, that these things can happen and to be more vigilant?

How, exactly, do you plan to chase up your money?
1. Contact Paypal. "Hi, Paypal! I'd like to alert you to a vixen breaking your rules by using your service to sell adult services. I know because I broke the rules attempting to purchase her adult services. She also made me evade taxes by marking it a gift! I demand justice!"

2. Contact MFC. "Hi. I paid a model with Paypal and didn't receive my Skype time." Maybe they fine her. Maybe they ban you. Either way, nothing good is coming out of them for ya.

3. Call the police. "Hi. A naked woman on the internet scammed me out of a bit of money. I don't know where she lives. I don't know her name. Go get me my dollars!"

To clarify my stance, I'm for adults taking responsibility for their own actions. Of course, that's not very in nowadays is it?

 

[Anonymous]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

 

[Sevrin]

And just going to add onto that, I can't find anything on Paypal to say it's not allowed. The wording "certain adult services" is too ambiguous to be a binding contract term under UK law.

Feel free to point out, and signpost, any reference specifically to that, but in the absence of it, it would appear that the transaction itself didn't break any T&C's within the jurisdiction, and if it has, the wording has to specifically word it that way, or it's deemed an unfair term. Under UK law, and I again have to stress the differences between UK and US here, that term would be completely invalid, meaning that in Paypal sending the payment, they've accepted it and completed the contract.

Under the statute of possession being 9 tenths of the law, good luck with that line of thinking over a matter of 40 quid. I don't know about you, but that's less that the value of the time it would take me to carefully read through all their legal agreements, let alone research their applicability, and much less than the energy it would take to dispute the charge. Spilt milk, bb.

 

[Misono]

Why should you care if the money was stolen from her? If I'm mugged, my debts are still outstanding. Honestly, just take this as a lesson and don't follow your erection past red flags (also a good rule in real life). Accept your part in the mess, be happy knowing that this scam won't serve her long term and move on. At this point, you're wasting time and time is money man.

Just to confirm your stance on this, but you're happy for people who are completely legit, never scam anyone, to potentially miss out on things because it's not good etiquette to chase someone up when they're quite clearly in the wrong?

Can I also confirm that you are against reminders to members, which is pretty much one of the key points of this thread when starting out, that these things can happen and to be more vigilant?

How, exactly, do you plan to chase up your money?
1. Contact Paypal. "Hi, Paypal! I'd like to alert you to a vixen breaking your rules by using your service to sell adult services. I know because I broke the rules attempting to purchase her adult services. She also made me evade taxes by marking it a gift! I demand justice!"

2. Contact MFC. "Hi. I paid a model with Paypal and didn't receive my Skype time." Maybe they fine her. Maybe they ban you. Either way, nothing good is coming out of them for ya.

3. Call the police. "Hi. A naked woman on the internet scammed me out of a bit of money. I don't know where she lives. I don't know her name. Go get me my dollars!"

To clarify my stance, I'm for adults taking responsibility for their own actions. Of course, that's not very in nowadays is it?

1 - You're quite clearly being moronic. As previously stated, under UK law the transaction itself via Paypal is perfectly legal. It has not broken any terms whatsoever, because they're not specified. Under UK law, which I'll again remind you is the area in which the transaction took place, you've got the offer, acceptance and completion of a contract. Paypal, in accepting to undertake the money transfer, have facilitated this and would've had to have actioned it at time to not be liable. It might well be different overseas, but that's how the law is in the UK.

2 - No interest in pursuing with MFC. They're not a party to the transaction at all. They could have been, had I purchased via tokens as per my original intention, but they weren't.

3 - We've covered this elsewhere in the thread. As previously mentioned, and confirmed by a UK based model, you have things where you can just log this with the police, get a reference number to pass onto the card company, and be done with. The comments to them are now "I've been scammed by a naked model", but someone has obtained money via deception. It's again a 5min job in finding the location, as Paypal have to release it. Hell, Paypal would have to give the address to me if I asked for it under UK law, thanks to the audit trail.

If you're also all for adults taking responsibility for their own actions, why are you so against actually coming down hard on someone by legal means who acted with the intention to deceive?

 

[Sevrin]

Listen bb:
Services and intangible items are not covered under PP's buyer or seller protection. You agreed to that.

You flagged the payment as a gift voluntarily. No one put a gun to your head.

You will have to prove intent to defraud to the police. You haven't even proven that to us.

You agreed to deal with a company based in Luxembourg, and that the laws of that country would govern your dealings with PP, limited as they are. You can go carrying on about your UK consumer's protections all you like. They won't help you.

Whatever. Suck it up.

 

[JickyJuly]

Well, good luck to you sir. I'm going to take my moronic self and shake my tush on the internet for all of 30 minutes to make double the amount of pocket change you've been whining over for 3 days. Maybe I'll buy you a box of Kleenex for your tears. What's your Paypal?

 

[Brum2011]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

Seriously? £40 might not be a lot to some but it is to other people and I don't understand why this girl should get away with doing things like that even though he is in the wrong too for using paypal.

its not a report like in the USA. Its just a report and that is it. No investigation or anything. They give you a reference number so the credit card company know you aren't bullshitting and that is it. I'm confused why some people aren't getting that (especially as a few British people have said so already) and thinks it funny to take the piss. Maybe police is too broad of a term for some people :lol:

 

[Nordling]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

The amount of time he's spent screwing around with a single lost skype show he could have MADE more money selling SAND on a beach. lol Principle my ass.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

Seriously? £40 might not be a lot to some but it is to other people and I don't understand why this girl should get away with doing things like that even though he is in the wrong too for using paypal.

its not a report like in the USA. Its just a report and that is it. No investigation or anything. They give you a reference number so the credit card company know you aren't bullshitting and that is it. I'm confused why some people aren't getting that (especially as a few British people have said so already) and thinks it funny to take the piss. Maybe police is too broad of a term for some people :lol:

As I learned talking to a UK model, reporting something to the police in the UK is significantly different than in the US. It is more like calling a lawyer a getting a free consultation as to what your rights are. But even that isn't exactly correct since you get a reference number.

Second internet companies in particular tend have TOS which give consumers little or no rights. For instance, it wasn't until this thread and I read the PayPal TOS that I realize that I when I buy a game or software program and it is delivered digitally (which is probably the vast majority of programs now days) it isn't covered by the buyer protection program. As a practical matter I would expect PayPal to assist me in the same way a credit card company would if I had troubles with delivery of digital program. It is more of grey area in this situation, since the TOS is pretty grey and I expect them to give me my money back, along with warning don't buy porn wit PayPal again.

Finally, it really does not matter what PayPal's TOS is. Most European countries have much stronger consumer protection laws than US. This is a transaction between two UK citizens. If the UK gives the OP more protection than PayPal provides, PayPal has to follow British law.
The US and UK have different laws and procedures.

I think the OP has done what he wanted alerted us a model likely scamming folks. I'd personally move on after pushing Paypal to refund my money, but it is his money.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

You've misunderstood me. I used the word correctly.

 

[MemberEd]

I think the OP has done what he wanted alerted us a model likely scamming folks. I'd personally move on after pushing Paypal to refund my money, but it is his money.

I agree, the point has been made. Just to make sure I didn't make the same mistake with this model. I went out of my way to look her up just so I could add her to my hide/ignore list. I'm sure other members who read these posts will pass her by as well.
In the same way the high cam score models have earned their score by busting butt and keeping a following. Some low cam score models have earned their low score.

 

[curvyredhead]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

Seriously? £40 might not be a lot to some but it is to other people and I don't understand why this girl should get away with doing things like that even though he is in the wrong too for using paypal.

its not a report like in the USA. Its just a report and that is it. No investigation or anything. They give you a reference number so the credit card company know you aren't bullshitting and that is it. I'm confused why some people aren't getting that (especially as a few British people have said so already) and thinks it funny to take the piss. Maybe police is too broad of a term for some people :lol:

He has made it very clear its not about the money

He has also made is apear that he is interested in going to the police not in a "why this girl should get away with doing things like that" sort of way but a

I just wana help her, I'm a good person..and when I get the money back I can use it to help other camgirls...sort of way


Brother :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

Seriously? £40 might not be a lot to some but it is to other people and I don't understand why this girl should get away with doing things like that even though he is in the wrong too for using paypal.

Yes, seriously...I think it's a little insane for people to be suggesting the police. I hate to hear about members or models getting scammed. And I repeat...next time you want to do a private show with a model you know nothing about...at least do it on-site. PayPal should be the payment method you use to pay for stuff like video games off eBay...not adult cam shows. A lot of legit models have even updated their MFC profiles to let members know that they no longer accept PayPal. And there's tons of posts on here (from models and members) warning people about PayPal. Let this be a lesson to stop trusting any 'ole MFC model to be legit and do what you're paying her to do. Even Mark, the guy in charge of CamModelDirectory will absolutely not tolerate CMD models using PayPal (smart guy).

Good luck to the OP that this doesn't happen again, and that he deals with legit MFC models from now on and uses better judgment..

 

[Brum2011]

I can't believe people are actually telling him to report this to the police. :lol:

Seriously? £40 might not be a lot to some but it is to other people and I don't understand why this girl should get away with doing things like that even though he is in the wrong too for using paypal.

Yes, seriously...I think it's a little insane for people to be suggesting the police. I hate to hear about members or models getting scammed. And I repeat...next time you want to do a private show with a model you know nothing about...at least do it on-site. PayPal should be the payment method you use to pay for stuff like video games off eBay...not adult cam shows. A lot of legit models have even updated their MFC profiles to let members know that they no longer accept PayPal. And there's tons of posts on here (from models and members) warning people about PayPal. Let this be a lesson to stop trusting any 'ole MFC model to be legit and do what you're paying her to do. Even Mark, the guy in charge of CamModelDirectory will absolutely not tolerate CMD models using PayPal (smart guy).

Good luck to the OP that this doesn't happen again, and that he deals with legit MFC models from now on and uses better judgment..

I totally understand where you are coming from but the Police over here isn't the same in the USA. Its the only way to get your money back if something ever happens. If it was the same as USA then of course its nuts to go to police but its not. All they do is note it down and give you a reference and that is it. There is no investigation. No police even go anywhere near the girl. Yeah, he brought it on himself by using paypal and I know there are tons of posts on here warning about paypal but some people need to learn that lesson themselves but it doesn't mean that the model can get away with scamming too as two wrongs don't make a right. The OP needs to move on, get his money back and get over it. £40 is a lot of money for some people and I don't understand why some people are saying just forget it because dude your an idiot for even going there. I think some people take for granted that not everyone is so knowledgeable of the internet.

(I know this random but you are absolutely stunning!!!)

 

[yossarian]

This thread is still going on?

Okay, here:

HITLER.

 

[Avalyn_]

Oh! I didn't realize that the UK police were like that. I retract my previous statement.
Yeah, get your reference number, get your money back, that'd be good
Goodluck and godspeed! Lest this thread gets any more obnoxious... :-D

 

[LilianaXO]

It's time!

 

[Anonymous]

(I know this random but you are absolutely stunning!!!)

Thanks! The pink hair/pink eyeshadow/and short pink dress gets me strange looks in church and at parent-teacher meetings. :lol:

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Oh! I didn't realize that the UK police were like that. I retract my previous statement.
Yeah, get your reference number, get your money back, that'd be good
Goodluck and godspeed! Lest this thread gets any more obnoxious... :-D

I'm not sure what the US police are like, but aren't the police there to help people and help enforce the law? I mean a girl clearly stole money, I mean it was a scam rather than a mugging/pick pocketing, but the money was still stolen, if I got £40 nicked out of my wallet I'd be really really upset about it, and would definitely go to the police. Sure chances are they'd never catch the person, but I'd still do it. When I see someone breaking the law, or am effected by someone breaking the law, I will contact the police. It's silly not to in my opinion. Even if absolutely nothing happens from it.

I know someone who worked with my flatmate and was jumped on the street by over 10 guys, in the process he headbutted one of the guys and the guys tooth was knocked out. I saw him after as he came over to mine to get cleaned up, the guys had literally ripped the top off his back, it was in pieces, and there was blood everywhere. I tried to persuade him to contact the police and report it, even if he didn't press charges. He didn't. Because he didn't the guy who's tooth he knocked out was able to complain to his boss about it and point the finger, as his restaurant was owned by the same person as my flatmates friend it meant my flatmates friend got fired but the other guy didn't. If he'd contacted the police straight away and made a report then they wouldn't have been able to do that as it'd have been clear what'd actually happened.
It's not a story that's anything like a camgirl scamming someone, but my point is, in the UK it's worth reporting it, even if you don't intend on doing anything about it. You never know if it could be turned around against you.

Essentially the police are there to deal with things like this. I don't understand why everyone is always so scared to contact them, as though getting the police involved is a big nono, even when the law has been broken...

 

[Brum2011]

(I know this random but you are absolutely stunning!!!)

Thanks! The pink hair/pink eyeshadow/and short pink dress gets me strange looks in church and at parent-teacher meetings. :lol:

I meant the real you :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

(I know this random but you are absolutely stunning!!!)

Thanks! The pink hair/pink eyeshadow/and short pink dress gets me strange looks in church and at parent-teacher meetings. :lol:

You might even say they think you look..........

Outrageous?

 

[Just Me]

What I really do not get is the victim blaming going on in this thread. Someone had a crime committed against them, yet somehow it is their fault for not knowing better. No matter how much money or time is involved in pursuing this, it is not up to you to decide if it is worth it. It could have been a completely obvious scam but it doesn't change the fact that the person doing the scamming is the criminal. If you don't want to read about it, don't. Definitely do not comment on it if you are just going to blame the victim.