A (not so) brief warning - Model Hottblondeuk

[Misono]

I'm personally not a fan of these kind of threads, and apologies if this isn't the right place for it. If this is the case, please let me know. The post is likely to come out long, but I plan to evidence all my statements, and hopefully alert people so others do not fall into the same pitfalls.

I frequently hang around mainly the UK rooms on MFC, only occasionally venturing off elsewhere. I'm not a big spender by others means, but I'll usually get in one or two privates a month of around 30mins, or the equivalent in tips. I tend to go into rooms, joke about a bit, get people involved in conversations with models, get a few laughs from the models, tip a bit, then log.

I had done similar over a few weeks for the model Hottblondeuk http://profiles.myfreecams.com/hottblondeuk. That night, she was offering a deal on Skype shows, something again that I don't often do. I PM'd her to query the token amount, to be told that she wanted to do everything that night via Paypal in order to make the extra cash. She set the price at £40 (Roughly $60), which to me seemed fine.

12:13:38 PM Misono: is it £40 in tokens?
12:16:51 PM Misono: not sure how you want the cash! Know some say tokens, some paypal, some in haribo, wanted to check
12:25:51 PM hottblondeuk: paypal hunny xx

I added the Skype account she gave me, and transferred the money via Paypal. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Paypal, and admittedly this was the first show attempt I'd done with this model, so here I can be blamed to an extent for being naive. I sent the original request through to transfer the money as described. After the money had hit, I encountered our first problem. At this point, I'm not sure why the Chat Archives from MFC are timestamping differently to Skype

[7/23/2013 8:48:22 PM] alicia moore: thanks hunny
[7/23/2013 8:48:23 PM] alicia moore: x
[7/23/2013 8:48:38 PM] alicia moore: are u sending payment though paypal hunny?x
[7/23/2013 8:48:52 PM] Misono: about to, getting whatsapp downloaded first! (Should explain, was also offered a mobile number)
[7/23/2013 8:49:23 PM] Misono: is £40 for a short show, right?
[7/23/2013 8:52:49 PM] alicia moore: yes hunny ill do a few vid if u like too x
[7/23/2013 8:53:03 PM] Misono: haha, already thought was getting a bargain!
[7/23/2013 9:09:16 PM] alicia moore: got it hun
[7/23/2013 9:09:31 PM] Misono: good stuff!
[7/23/2013 9:13:25 PM] alicia moore: just going in shower
[7/23/2013 9:13:49 PM] Misono: haha, ok.
[7/23/2013 9:14:06 PM] Misono: thought you might wanna do that after the show
[7/23/2013 9:18:19 PM] Misono: look forward to it though!

She didn't return that night. The following day, I caught up with her via PM on MFC.

03:03:13 PM hottblondeuk: babe i have to go for dinner soon x
03:03:25 PM hottblondeuk: chinese on the way hehe xx

I logged onto Skype, and sent a message to her account

[7/24/2013 10:53:51 PM] Misono: thanks!
[7/24/2013 11:11:30 PM] Misono: ready?
[7/24/2013 11:13:01 PM] Misono: gone?

And waited for an hour for her to finish dinner...

[7/26/2013 12:49:43 AM] Misono: Hey!
[7/26/2013 12:52:59 AM] Misono: able to do tonight then?
[7/26/2013 1:21:44 AM] Misono: Guessing not, when are you going to be around then?

I got no reply. I used Whatsapp to try and have the discussion, check that everything was ok with her, but there was no reply. In fact, I had heard nothing at all this week. My concerns were:

A - Something has happened.
B - I've possibly been tricked.

Moving onto this evening. I'd updated my Skype status, as a few days ago I participated in a charity event that raised a few thousand pounds, and wanted to update a few people on the outcome. I get a message, as she'd seen this on there, alongside my comment about wondering how best it would be spent. I'll note that, at this point, I wasn't going to part with any money. But I assumed she had forgotten, and thought I'd ask some questions before referring back to the previous cash transfer.

[7/28/2013 11:43:33 PM] alicia moore: hmm how about i take some of that cash of your hands and in return you get horny and i make you feel good
[7/28/2013 11:43:58 PM] Misono: hmm?
[7/28/2013 11:44:51 PM] alicia moore: you know you want to half hour show special rate £50
[7/28/2013 11:47:32 PM] Misono: hmm, temping
[7/28/2013 11:47:34 PM] Misono: tempting*
[7/28/2013 11:49:44 PM] Misono: available now then?
[7/28/2013 11:51:27 PM] alicia moore: will be in 5 mins i like to get prepared
[7/28/2013 11:52:12 PM] Misono: cool, let me know when you're all set then!

Great, I thought. We'd finally get the show in that I'd paid for previously.

[12:02:04 AM] Misono: all set now then? You're ready to go?
[12:02:24 AM] alicia moore: soon as payment is recieved were all set
[12:02:47 AM] Misono: cool, because I sent you some cash for a skype show other night, and we still haven't had it! So glad we can finally do that now
[12:03:27 AM] alicia moore: when hunny?

Ok, maybe the week had been so busy, she forgot. At this point, I took a couple screenshots from Paypal, just to show the transfer. It had been claimed by her on the original date. I'm someone who believes in honesty and would not, and still have not, claimed the cash back through Paypal.

[12:23:43 AM] alicia moore: im really sorry about this but basically my ex is stalking my mfc and going on pretending to me hence the not going on cam and taking money off men and not doing shows. i am not recieveing any money because i dont know who he has taken money off or not..

Oh dear, that's really not good, and I felt bad for her. This is how the conversation panned out.

[12:25:27 AM] Misono: Ok, fair enough, what I'll need to do is get my card company to look into it if it hasn't gone to you then
[12:25:58 AM] alicia moore: [NAME REDACTED] is my ex and i used his bank to have the 40 cause i couldnt get hold of my mate tanya. i dont have my own account. so i think he has scammed the 40 out of you on mfc.... all i can say us dispute the payment on paypal because i have not recieved it and it wasnt me you got the money out of you x
[12:26:16 AM] Misono: sounds bad what's happened to you know, with him stealing too
[12:29:05 AM] Misono: Ok. Quite worrying that!
[12:29:18 AM] Misono: Bit bad of him!
[12:30:15 AM] Misono: Mean, I do some work with the Police, can probably run what's happened about the money scam by them at work tomorrow. I've actually got a meeting with my counterpart there.
[12:30:32 AM] Misono: pretty sure they'd stop it happening to you again
[12:32:50 AM] alicia moore: honestly not sure id want police delving into me getting naked on cam lol. plus money isnt supposed to be payed for through paypal for 'sexual' services. wouldnt want you to get in trouble. please dont send any more money to him. please only chat to me on whatsapp so you know its me. im getting sick of him now
[12:34:18 AM] Misono: I wouldn't be the one getting in bother with Paypal though! But it's really where he's effectively stolen from me, so any investigation you wouldn't get involved in, there would be nothing for you to worry about

At this point, I really doubted her story. It seemed that, despite everything this ex was supposedly doing, stealing cash from her etc, she didn't want anyone getting involved. Unfortunately, I was out of pocket over it. I'll also explain that it is true I'm meeting with staff from the Police tomorrow. Accountants from there, as that's the work I'm involved in. But by being slightly vague, I was hoping she would admit that she's making the story up. I honestly was not believing a word she was saying at this point.

Misono:hopefully wouldn't need to ge police at work involved though, might have a guilt trip and return it >.>
[12:36:21 AM] Misono: from what you say though, I doubt it
[12:39:11 AM] Misono: meeting with them tomorrow anyway, might just run it by informally
[12:39:15 AM] Misono: see what they say
[12:46:11 AM] alicia moore: ok. i personally would appreciate police involved. ve been through enough shit with him already im trying to cut ties with him and this might provoke more shit. am in a vunerable situation and have shit at my parents door. have had threasts about my pics being broadcast about and obvs dont wnat that to happen. feeling like running away sometimes
[12:47:15 AM] Misono: Ya, I can understand that. They'd be involved in this directly with me though
[12:47:26 AM] Misono: so you wouldn't be approached, in all honesty, if it had to go that far
[12:47:34 AM] Misono: I'm hoping it won't need to
[12:48:28 AM] alicia moore: ok babe. just please dont chat to me/him on mfc just on whatsapp so you know you are dealing with me. thank you for being so understanding. i am having a pretty rough time xx
[12:48:41 AM] Misono: Don't worry
[12:48:55 AM] Misono: if there's anything you can do in meantime to try and get that cash back, lemme know
[12:49:17 AM] Misono: I'll make sure you're online if PM's sent
[12:50:26 AM] Misono: hope he leaves you alone soon!
[12:51:33 AM] Misono: sounds a horrid situation

I wasn't convinced this was the case at all. But the only way I'd get to the bottom of things was by playing this card. Be nice and polite to the story, and see what other information I could get.

[12:51:55 AM] alicia moore: not sure ill get it back dont speak to him. not unless hes giving me shit anyway. and please please please dont mention this if yu at any point suspect its him online. hell give me such shit
[12:52:07 AM] alicia moore: im abit worried now. wish i hadnt said anything...
[12:52:28 AM] alicia moore: shit
[12:52:39 AM] Misono:
[12:52:52 AM] Misono: It'll be fine, you've done nothing wrong here
[12:53:23 AM] alicia moore: i know that but really cant handle anything else. promise me you wont mention anything to him
[12:53:49 AM] Misono: Nope, won't say a word.
[12:54:12 AM] alicia moore: thank you babe. its nice to know someones still nice
[12:54:15 AM] Misono: Never know, if I have to get colleagues in police to look at it for me, they might sort the problem theirself
[12:54:51 AM] alicia moore: what do you mean by that.babe im scared noe
[12:55:57 AM] Misono: Ah, well, way I see it, [Name redacted] has effectively scammed me. He's obtained money by deception. If that's the case, then they'll probably agree, and will get the paypal logs
[12:56:11 AM] Misono: find out exactly what has happened, and probably prosecute if I ask them to
[12:56:15 AM] Misono: hoping I don't have to though
[12:57:15 AM] alicia moore: this is gonna give me shit. unless theres no mention of this convo. maybe you could just say you paid and didnt get what you paid for and the money went to this bank account
[12:57:38 AM] Misono: nah, wouldn't need to be a mention of those convo
[12:57:59 AM] Misono: bit worried though, on his behalf tbh. If he's done it, they'll probably look into the rest. And can get around 3 years prison for it >.<
[12:58:39 AM] alicia moore: im sitting here shaking. i really sont want this. ill just pay the money back. please i dont want this

Shaking? But why? Isn't all this going to solve one of your problems? It didn't make sense to me, and made me realise my gut instinct about this was right. However, I wanted to just confirm further, and so I made the suggestion that she shouldn't refund me out of her own pocket, it should come from him.

[12:59:03 AM] Misono: It's not yours though, [Name redacted]'s stolen it, should be him. There's nowt for you to worry about
[12:59:49 AM] alicia moore: yes there is. babe you dont understand. i fel sick.
[1:00:07 AM] alicia moore: i should never have said anything to you about this.
[1:00:15 AM] Misono: Don't worry, it's fine
[1:00:31 AM] alicia moore: no it isnt
[1:01:16 AM] Misono: it is, none of this would come back on you
[1:01:37 AM] Misono: because you didn't know he'd done it, if you knew, then it probably would, but you didn't
[1:03:42 AM] Misono: honestly, don't worry about it
[1:03:48 AM] alicia moore: well obvs i didnt but if [NAME REDACTED] gets wind of this i will get so much shit. im back living with my parents and i really dont want them to find out about mfc... obviousluy
[1:03:55 AM] alicia moore: well i am. shit worried
[1:04:01 AM] Misono:
[1:04:12 AM] Misono: I dunno what to suggest then
[1:04:54 AM] alicia moore: cant you just dispute and get the oney back on paypal
[1:05:11 AM] Misono: nah, Paypal won't open a dispute on it as it's a gift

There was a brief bit of chat over Whatsapp with her asking me not to take it further, and me just saying she wouldn't be involved as she knew nothing about this. I'll be calling my card company tomorrow to get them to do a chargeback, and I've learned my lesson from this situation. In any case though, I don't want others falling into the same trap. Stick to tokens, like I had originally planned, and stay within the frameworks of MFC, as at least then you'll be safe.

Apologies for the extremely long post, but I just felt that some things need to be brought to people's attention. We all know about the Paypal scam on models, but I don't believe the reverse is reported often, mainly as the majority of models are genuine. It may well be more prevalent, and I was just blissfully unaware, but if this post will make just one person stop and think, then it has served its purpose.

 

[yossarian]

Point taken about being careful with Paypal.

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt because it seems like she genuinely thought you could get your money back and only freaked out when you said you were involving the police (because of the blowback if/when her ex tells her family what she's doing). It seems like an odd scam if she's telling you ways to get refunded (she thinks), and knows you could cause trouble with the police.

But...why can't she just deposit the money back in your account? If you can gift her, can't she just gift you back? It's kind of weird that you don't want her to lose 40 pounds by paying you back directly, but you're willing to let a bunch of shit come down on her by involving the police. It sucks, but let the girl pay you back and call it a day. She'll be out a few bucks, but it seems like a better option for her than what will happen if you involve the police.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

It may be that her ex got to the money first? :dontknow:

 

[MemberEd]

What i'm not clear on is why, if she was willing to refund your money. Why she could not have just done the Skype show and be done with the whole affair?

 

[JoleneBrody]

Dude! What in the fucking fuck, are you dense?

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking wrong here! SO. FUCKING. WRONG.

Put down your god damned magnifying glass for a minute there Sherlock and just listen to the girl. What you are suggesting could completely destroy here life and she's freaking out because YOU ARE THREATENING HER ANONYMITY AND SAFETY! She WANTS you to dispute it and get your money back, sounds like a cold hearted criminal to me!

You're an idiot.

 

[Misono]

That's the tricky one for me. The moral dilemma.

If it's genuine, then in UK law any dealings would be between me and this ex. The likelyhood of her being involved is minimal. And if it keeps happening to her, I'm not sure what action is being taken by her to try and prevent it. I don't believe it was her ex that night I was chatting with on MFC, as she was on cam at the time of the PM.

I'll see what my card company say I need to do, and if she was being genuine then she won't end up out of pocket. I honestly do not believe it to be true though, and it was only at the mentions of what could happen that her attitude changed. I'll put this scenario out though, and that is that, if she knew the payment was coming and this was discussed while she was still on MFC, why did she then not query it with me where it was? Why, at that stage of receiving payment, did she give me her contact details, whatsapp etc if it was actually the ex partner? Then keep that up all week.

I'm 95% certain that this was her trying to get cash for nothing now. The odds of this being genuine just don't stack up for me., and I'm trying to look at it as objectively as possible. But I appreciate your comments on here on this guys.

Jolene, as I said, I can't dispute this with Paypal. It's a gift, and I authorised it. There's not a way I can do it through there. I have to go via the card company, and that then will go via the police.

 

[yossarian]

What i'm not clear on is why, if she was willing to refund your money. Why she could not have just done the Skype show and be done with the whole affair?

This is another good point.

 

[Misono]

What i'm not clear on is why, if she was willing to refund your money. Why she could not have just done the Skype show and be done with the whole affair?

I'd have been happy to have done it, but her comments were that she hadn't received any money and so wouldn't be doing a show. I hadn't seen any public shows as such, and the most that I had seen was topless. Again, making assumptions, it might be that she wasn't actually wanting to do shows at all, hence the initial avoidance. The forgetfulness tonight, in that I'd already sent cash previously that she did know of.

I'm a finance person, and often do audit work. I've found much bigger things than this in my working life, but didn't think I'd be picking flaws on MFC in the relaxation period. But, for me, the whole story doesn't add up. Others might see it differently, but I've tried stepping back and looking at the big picture on this, and it just doesn't ring true at all.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Maybe I am missing something but can't you just contact Paypal and tell them you were promised a service that wasn't delivered and ask for their help in getting the money refunded. The one time I had an issue with PayPal, $1800 in computer equipment purchase fraudulently, Paypal was pretty fast at refunding my money, if I had out of town on my way to Turkey/Italy for 3 weeks it would have been pretty painless.

The only person who is likely to get in trouble with Paypal is the model/ex, and if her ex has access to her paypal account then she should freak out about having it cancel. Paypal cracks down on providers of porn not purchasers. Why involve the cops?. Have you actually contacted Paypal?

You could have paid for the Skype in tokens, Amazon gift cards or a bunch of other currency and have little if any recourse. Members scam models and models scam member,s it happens. Often what appears to be a scam is actually legitimate bad luck, for example that model gets in a car wreck, then has internet issues happened to me. Sometimes the models just out right refuses to do shows, really all you're out is a some sexy time with a model and a wank, you'll live.

It is such an elaborate story that I am inclined to believe the girl cause there are easier ways of getting out of skype shows. In any event reverse your paypal and I think the problem goes away. Or you could be nice and just let the issue drop. I understand there is principal involved but if you spending 1800 tokens a month on the site, this isn't a huge amount of money for you.

 

[yossarian]

Seems like a pretty dumb scam. Very easy to thwart. Are you sure you aren't overthinking it? Give her the option of either paying you back directly or doing the show. If she does neither, THEN you know it's a scam. Be direct instead of dancing around the issue and I think you'll get an answer without having to do anymore of this CSI stuff.

 

[JoleneBrody]

What i'm not clear on is why, if she was willing to refund your money. Why she could not have just done the Skype show and be done with the whole affair?

Yeah, that whole conversation totally put ME in the mood to fuck myself... I don't know about you guys. :lol:

 

[Gen]

The odds of this stacking up seem genuine to me because I can't imagine a girl who was trying to con you out of money not just being like "fuck it, this guy is threatening me with police action, I'm just gonna do the show or refund his money". It sounds like she's in a rough situation, because I would think that at this point she'd either do the show or refund the money, seeing as you continually going on about police involvement.

 

[CharlotteLace]

I agree with Jolene. It doesn't scream "scam" to me if she's offering to repay you or find ways for you to dispute the charges. If she was scamming, I don't think she'd be so dumb as to try to scam the same person twice. I mean, I've heard of girls doing skype/paypal scams, but usually don't they just block/ignore the member after getting paid, and move on to the next guy?

I mean, with as many members as MFC has, if she were a scammer, she'd have quite a few opportunities to cheat people without repeating customers.

If she has an abusive ex who has access to her MFC, it's very possible he also has enough to blackmail her if she pissed him off. Calling the police on him would certainly do that, and if there was an investigation she would absolutely need to be involved. Police ask questions, you know, and would want to know why you're sending a random account money for funsies. Just dispute the charges or have her refund you, and click "next model".

 

[yossarian]

What i'm not clear on is why, if she was willing to refund your money. Why she could not have just done the Skype show and be done with the whole affair?

Yeah, that whole conversation totally put ME in the mood to fuck myself... I don't know about you guys. :lol:

Most awkward show ever: sobbing girl masturbating for free while looking over her shoulder for her psycho ex. But you know it's somebody's fetish.

 

[MemberEd]

Yeah, that whole conversation totally put ME in the mood to fuck myself... I don't know about you guys. :lol:

:lol: I get that, but on the other hand, it is her enterprise. If she is not responsible for her MFC account, then who is? Forty dollars or whatever it was, is not enough to run away and start a new life. So if she is not still camming then it obviously, was not a scam.

 

[Avalyn_]

I can't believe you would threaten to contact the police and possibly ruin someone's life over 40 dollars. Oh my god. And if you had no intention of contacting the police, what you're doing is awful manipulation. It sounds to me like this girl doesn't have her shit together whatsoever and you really freaked her out. I think you should just count your losses and move on with your life. If she is a scammer, at least now you know, never again. Members have been taught much more expensive lessons.

 

[curvyredhead]

Shit happens son

 

[Misono]

I think a few people need to actually read bits before commenting, in fairness.

Firstly, as previously stated, it was not possible for me to dispute the transaction via Paypal. I authorised the transaction, and it was done as a gift, at their request. I don't even get the chance to raise a dispute on that.

Secondly, I said I was going to discuss this with police. That's different to reporting someone, as it's more a request for information. To get the chargeback, in the UK I'd need a crime reference number. I'd get that without any investigation by the police, so no dealings would come of it that way, not without my say so. That's how the UK works.

Thirdly, and this is what mainly played on my mind, is that she slipped up at times and recounted bits of info that had occurred during the conversation with the ex. The ex was the one PMing me while she was supposedly on cam. Same discussion happened the following night, and again while she was on cam.

I'll make this clear though, because it does seem to have been lost, I have no intention of filing a criminal complaint. But I need to go through the proper processes with the card company to get this back. That would have no effect on the model at all.

My concerns really though are:

A - If she was aware that this guy had access to her MFC account, why did she not update passwords/other login information?
B - If he really wanted to get back at her, he'd have done this by now, surely? As time progresses, it's possible for more people to know about the job someone does.

My honest opinion really is that this is made up on her part, in quite elaborate detail. I can absorb the cost no problem, but it's trying to in effect help someone out of a bad situation in this case. I'm not even convinced the guy exists in all honesty. I mean, I could check if I really wanted to, as his name isn't exactly a common one and there are public records in the UK, but that's too far. If anything though, this thread could serve the purpose of making those who do go in that room aware of what can happen, so it's worth being alert.

 

[Gen]

A - If she was aware that this guy had access to her MFC account, why did she not update passwords/other login information?
B - If he really wanted to get back at her, he'd have done this by now, surely? As time progresses, it's possible for more people to know about the job someone does.

Assuming she's being honest, if he's threatening her, controlling her finances, or otherwise displaying abusive behaviour, she may be trying to avoid upsetting him. And if he is acting controlling, he'll keep doing it as long as he can to get what he wants (power, money, whatever). Surely he wouldn't cut that off just to tell people, he'd more likely do that when she stopped doing what he wanted.

Also, again giving her the benefit of the doubt, she could have read the PM logs if he was PMing you from her account.

This all just seems like a huge hassle for you and a huge personal safety risk for her for $40.

 

[Misono]

A - If she was aware that this guy had access to her MFC account, why did she not update passwords/other login information?
B - If he really wanted to get back at her, he'd have done this by now, surely? As time progresses, it's possible for more people to know about the job someone does.

Assuming she's being honest, if he's threatening her, controlling her finances, or otherwise displaying abusive behaviour, she may be trying to avoid upsetting him. And if he is acting controlling, he'll keep doing it as long as he can to get what he wants (power, money, whatever). Surely he wouldn't cut that off just to tell people, he'd more likely do that when she stopped doing what he wanted.

Also, again giving her the benefit of the doubt, she could have read the PM logs if he was PMing you from her account.

This all just seems like a huge hassle for you and a huge personal safety risk for her for $40.

Any chance it can again be noted that £40 does not equate to $40? It's about $60, which again is not much, and as I'm going to repeat, it's not the financial side of things.

I've left the model a message, hoping we can sort something today. I remain convinced that something isn't adding up in the story though and, again looking subjectively, I've not seen anything constructive here to indicate otherwise. Also waiting for Paypal to open their phonelines to try and discuss this with them that way.

I'd just like it resolved, either by means of the show or the refund. But I want to be armed with the right information, so that others can be prepared.

 

[Gen]

I'm not sure that you are looking subjectively, but I hope it's all resolved quickly and safely for everyone.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Sounds like a typical scam. Probably best to just take the L and keep it moving. Curious if the model had audio.

 

[Misono]

Sounds like a typical scam. Probably best to just take the L and keep it moving. Curious if the model had audio.

Good point actually. I'd never actually heard audio oddly enough. Never asked the question.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I think a few people need to actually read bits before commenting, in fairness.

Firstly, as previously stated, it was not possible for me to dispute the transaction via Paypal. I authorised the transaction, and it was done as a gift, at their request. I don't even get the chance to raise a dispute on that.

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You didn't answer my question. Have you contacted Paypal? If the answer is yes than you can skip the rest of the post and I am sorry for the confusion.
If the answer is no, than I strongly suggest you do ASAP, if you feel you are being scammed and it sounds like you do.

What you may not know is that many times a day members offer to pay camgirls for Skype shows. The payments are almost always categorized as gifts for the simple reason that anything else raises flags, and may result in the models paypal account being frozen, since any type of porn violates PayPal Terms of Service. Now after the payment has been authorized, and the model does the Skype show, the member contacts PayPal and says the model didn't do what I paid. AFAIK because PayPal wants nothing to do with porn the charges are almost always reverses and many cases the models PayPal account is frozen. It is a slimy but effective way of getting free long privates from new or naive models. Many of the models on the forum can fill you in on the details.

Your situation is no different, except for from what you tell us the model never actually did a show. So unlike the scores of scammers you actually deserve your money back.

All this cop business would only be useful, if the model wanted your help and it sounds explicitly like she did not. Or if you are feeling like the model/person behavior is so awful you think they should be thrown in jail.

 

[LadyLuna]

I'm actually not sure on if paypal will cancel a gift payment. It's worth asking them though, isn't it?

Yes, it's possible that she is telling the truth. It's also possible that she's lying. Either way, you deserve your money back.

What I'm hearing you saying about the police business is that it's a formality that doesn't result in any sort of investigation. You are in the UK you say? Most of us are in the US, which is probably why everyone here sees you writing "I'm going to the police" and panic ensues of "why are you going to ruin her life like that?" See, in the US, any police report initiates an investigation. Is this a US model? Or a UK model? Sorry, I'm trying to untangle this...

If the UK police will not initiate an investigation, then maybe it's better if you just go the sure-thing route, instead of taking extra steps that may or may not work. But if they will, then please do see if you can get it back through paypal first.

 

[Misono]

I think a few people need to actually read bits before commenting, in fairness.

Firstly, as previously stated, it was not possible for me to dispute the transaction via Paypal. I authorised the transaction, and it was done as a gift, at their request. I don't even get the chance to raise a dispute on that.

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You didn't answer my question. Have you contacted Paypal? If the answer is yes than you can skip the rest of the post and I am sorry for the confusion.
If the answer is no, than I strongly suggest you do ASAP, if you feel you are being scammed and it sounds like you do.

What you may not know is that many times a day members offer to pay camgirls for Skype shows. The payments are almost always categorized as gifts for the simple reason that anything else raises flags, and may result in the models paypal account being frozen, since any type of porn violates PayPal Terms of Service. Now after the payment has been authorized, and the model does the Skype show, the member contacts PayPal and says the model didn't do what I paid. AFAIK because PayPal wants nothing to do with porn the charges are almost always reverses and many cases the models PayPal account is frozen. It is a slimy but effective way of getting free long privates from new or naive models. Many of the models on the forum can fill you in on the details.

Your situation is no different, except for from what you tell us the model never actually did a show. So unlike the scores of scammers you actually deserve your money back.

All this cop business would only be useful, if the model wanted your help and it sounds explicitly like she did not. Or if you are feeling like the model/person behavior is so awful you think they should be thrown in jail.

I raised the dispute with Paypal, and had the reply from them saying it wasn't covered, on the basis that this wasn't an unauthorised transaction as a gift payment. With a gift, you don't have buyer protection via PayPal, and can only dispute if it's unauthorised. I sent it myself, so this cannot be claimed.

I'm fully aware that members scam models, and am dead against it. I'll usually pay for anything with tokens, and it's rare I'll do a wishlist or other means. I'm dead against the scams against models, and from a model who messages me a lot via Skype, this attempt happens often to them. I'm aware that it's against Paypal's terms, so exercise my discretion. If I really wanted to cause damage, I'd have reported what the money was for to Paypal though, and I haven't.

 

[Misono]

I'm actually not sure on if paypal will cancel a gift payment. It's worth asking them though, isn't it?

Yes, it's possible that she is telling the truth. It's also possible that she's lying. Either way, you deserve your money back.

What I'm hearing you saying about the police business is that it's a formality that doesn't result in any sort of investigation. You are in the UK you say? Most of us are in the US, which is probably why everyone here sees you writing "I'm going to the police" and panic ensues of "why are you going to ruin her life like that?" See, in the US, any police report initiates an investigation. Is this a US model? Or a UK model? Sorry, I'm trying to untangle this...

If the UK police will not initiate an investigation, then maybe it's better if you just go the sure-thing route, instead of taking extra steps that may or may not work. But if they will, then please do see if you can get it back through paypal first.

Having asked Paypal, they would only cancel if it was unauthorised, but as I completed it myself (albeit with what has transpired to possibly be dodgy details) then it's not covered. With a gift payment, you don't get the Buyer Protection.

Your understanding is correct. All the UK police would do is take a note of the details, give a reference number, and close the case. It could be reopened, but they'll only do so if there's a reasonable chance of prosecution which, for less than a few thousand, isn't likely. To another extent, they could deem it a civil matter, and as such wouldn't get involved except to give that reference number for the card company.

Both myself and the model are British citizens, as is my understanding. Unfortunately, this is likely to be the only option. I've left a whatsapp message with them stating I'd spoken to Paypal and they can't reverse it, and how they'd like to proceed, but no reply as yet.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

What I'm hearing you saying about the police business is that it's a formality that doesn't result in any sort of investigation. You are in the UK you say? Most of us are in the US, which is probably why everyone here sees you writing "I'm going to the police" and panic ensues of "why are you going to ruin her life like that?" See, in the US, any police report initiates an investigation. Is this a US model? Or a UK model? Sorry, I'm trying to untangle this...

Due to her name I'm assuming she's a UK model, though I've never heard of her. And yes in the Uk there are numbers for your area of police which you call that aren't 999. I've called them loads of times, generally because of harassment. They take down the details, give you advice on what you should do and sometimes get involved/help if that's what you want.

Though, if she had no audio then she may not actually be english. Her english isn't bad, but if she's a native speaker it's not great.

Am I the only person who thinks this is a pretty blatant scam and actually believe the member? Although I think actually filing a police report would be a stupid, pointless thing to do and really wouldn't be worth it, I think telling the model that you're filing a police report was a pretty easy way to make her shit herself. If this genuinely were an "ex" I cannot imagine she would get so freaked out. Also, how was the ex sending pm's while she was logged in and on cam on MFC? Unless he was actually with her, as in hidden behind the screen I cannot see how this is possible. The chances of there actually being some scary ex seem really slim in this situation. Especially seeing as "she" was offering the same prices and means of payment as the "ex". Oh and the money was sent to her paypal account which would send her e-mails of the transaction, so she'd know full well it was made.

Granted it is a very stupid scam, and the model sounds pretty stupid. But in my opinion anyone who's going to pull of a short con on myfreecams is an idiot.

The reason she offered the money back in the end was probably because she was hoping the members she's scamming to forget about it/forgive her. If her story were plausible and she knew to begin with that her ex was doing this then as it's her fault she'd say immediately "fuck, I am so sorry, I'll look at my account now! oh yes, I see it there, I'll send you the money back now.". She only offered to send the money back after the possibility of the police got involved, in which of course, she would be the one scamming people and could actually face criminal charges for it. No wonder she was like "fuck, take the money just don't do that".
There are a lot of clever people on this forum. The rest of the world is not full of them. Sometimes people think they're being super clever and sneaky but are so dense that they cannot see the obvious outcome of it. To someone with over half a braincell this type of scam just doesn't make sense. I mean really, how on earth could you not think you'd get caught and get yourself a bad reputation? Well, it happens, plenty of models come onto places like myfreecams and just don't think it through.

Usually I'd be attacking posts like this, but as much as I'm not keen on openly finger pointing, scamming models piss me off. It brings us all down. It means less members are going to spend on models who actually need the money and are going to be true to their word.

Let it be a warning to members not to use paypal and to avoid skypes with models you don't know. Also bear in mind when speaking to models that although many girls from 18-25 are very mature and are beyond their years, many girls aren't. I've known people who are 18 who act and think the way I did when I was 13. I don't know how old this model is, but if she's living with her parents then young maybe? This could be a major act of naivety rather than anything nasty. Young people sometimes do really stupid things. They might not be bad people, just very inexperienced.

Also I think this should be a warning that UK girls are just as capable of scamming as foreign girls.
We were talking in another post about peoples ideas of eastern europeans and scamming, which is actually just as likely to happen with a girl from there as from the Uk, there are just less of us. Just because someone comes from your country/says they come from your country doesn't mean they're safe!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Am I the only person who thinks this is a pretty blatant scam and actually believe the member?

Nope plain as day. I can't stop thinking about how weird it would be to call a cop about something like this. 911 What's your emergency? Help! I got scammed at mfc!

 

[zippypinhead]

Am I the only person who thinks this is a pretty blatant scam and actually believe the member?

No. That entire interaction had the stink of a bad bait and switch all over it. As you say, running a poorly-executed scam and panicking when her bluff is called doesn't make her innocent -- it just makes her a bad grifter.