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We are an established app developer team with an iphone app already in the market.

Looking for attractive models with fanbase for a JV (Joint Venuture).
-We will pay for videos
-We will help you advertise your channel
-We are interested in building both our brands via social media (we cover all photography and videography shoots)
-We will give 20% of our revenue as a bonus for specific time.

*All you have to do is exactly what you are doing now. If interested in making extra money just email us for details.
MyBootyBook@gmail.com

Check out product out at:
www.MyBootyBook.com

We appreciate any other support as well:
www.FaceBook.com/bootybookapp (Like us!
 

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Re: A J.V. with app developer for opportunity to make more m

Based on the website, it would seem that it's a dating/booty call app. Like a LBB organizer.

Can you explain why you're reaching out to camgirls, who 99% of do NOT meet (let alone hook up with) random men/members? Who value their privacy/anonymity above all else? Who aren't interested in leading random men on or having their likeness/cam name/real name used to advertise dating apps? Do you think they'll just jump on board to make some extra money without thinking about the consequences to their camming brand/real life/member's mental health so you can have some prettier girls on your advertisements?

It really sounds like you're trying to get some popular adult industry girls to get their guys to join up (under the pretense that they could date them) and 'plump up' your app's number of users, regardless of the consequences on either side. Not cool.
 
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How are you planning to sell your app if Apple doesn't allow adult apps on the app store?
 
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GemmaMoore said:
Based on the website, it would seem that it's a dating/booty call app. Like a LBB organizer.

Can you explain why you're reaching out to camgirls, who 99% of do NOT meet (let alone hook up with) random men/members? Who value their privacy/anonymity above all else? Who aren't interested in leading random men on or having their likeness/cam name/real name used to advertise dating apps? Do you think they'll just jump on board to make some extra money without thinking about the consequences to their camming brand/real life/member's mental health so you can have some prettier girls on your advertisements?

It really sounds like you're trying to get some popular adult industry girls to get their guys to join up (under the pretense that they could date them) and 'plump up' your app's number of users, regardless of the consequences on either side. Not cool.


If you are not interested you could simply move on. But I will respond to your comments. Cam girls sell sex, specifically to male members who despite what you think do not just sit in front of a computer worshiping cam girls all day. They have active social lives and most likely date. (However, some may not be sexually experienced and may only know porn) I don;t think you speak for all camgirls and you must be confused, because what camgirls do with there sex lives is of no interest to me. In advertising for example a pizza company and the NFL can do a joint venture to push both products. You can ask the same question...what does pizza and football have anything to do with each other. Answer is Nothing...and at the same time everything.

*You are confused as to what I am asking because your privacy and anonymity will not be compromised. I do not need you to lead anyone on, give up any real information, or hurt your brand. You will not be participating any way in the app. In fact I am not sure how you would, for it is not a dating app. It is a Black Book like you said. Your information will not be inputed. Its an app for social daters, gay/lesbian communities, and can be used by sex workers like escorts to keep track of clients (which actually makes there work safer).

Once again no one is dating anyone. I do not know where you got this idea. It is just a product like a sex toy, or breast implants. Sorry for the unclear post but this should clear things up. Thanks.
 
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AmberCutie said:
How are you planning to sell your app if Apple doesn't allow adult apps on the app store?

Hello Amber,
They actually do allow some apps through. If its blatant adult material they are against it. Our app is nothing more than a Black Book. Infact the Ashley Madison Dating site, and playboy even are adult in nature but they thrive on the app store no problem. We are already in the appstore under BBook and our numbers are growing healthy.
 
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BBookIphoneApp said:
Cam girls sell sex, specifically to male members who despite what you think do not just sit in front of a computer worshiping cam girls all day.
Virtual sexual services. Not physical ones. You're confusing what camgirls do with escorts and other sex workers who are hands-on with their clients. All adult workers do not have physical contact with the men who visit them... and not all camgirls even sell sex. There are plenty of non-nude/artistic models who don't even take their shirts off. And even for those who do offer sexual services online, the companionship aspect is always there as well (for both member and model.) You're making a mistake regarding the nature of the business, and the professional aspects of being a camgirl.

And as for thinking men sit around worshiping camgirls all day... that says more about you than it does me. I would never think, say, or even imply that. I have far more respect for the awesome guys who visit me on cam than you seem to believe. These aren't just 'clients'. They're friends.


BBookIphoneApp said:
I don't think you speak for all camgirls and you must be confused, because what camgirls do with there sex lives is of no interest to me.
Of course I don't speak for all camgirls. But I've been in the camgirl business for a long time now. I know these ladies very well, and understand the industry a whole lot better than you do. And my observations about why it's a bad idea for your business to try to reach out to popular camgirls to advertise hold true.


BBookIphoneApp said:
Its an app for social daters, gay/lesbian communities, and can be used by sex workers like escorts to keep track of clients (which actually makes there work safer).
Again, this is much more for escorts. Not camgirls. It seems that you should really be reaching out to girls who do IRL sex work (Dommes, escorts, prostitutes, etc.), not those who strictly exchange virtual sexual services.
 
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Op, take your time to describe the app, it's purpose and how we can actually help in real detail.

This is the largest collection of cam girls on the web at your fingertips, but your posts so far do not make a lot of sense and aren't likely to garner you much interest. Most cam girls are cautious enough to avoid anything that seems fishy, and being confusing is fishy.
 
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I appreciate you trying to justify with your initial post, but I think we established that you were misinformed with what you thought I was asking. Please stop posting on this thread.

Virtual sexual services is still considered the sex industry. Same as phone sex operators, and dancers/strippers. Once again you're not understanding where I am coming from with this and the fact that you are doing everything in your power to fight me shows you are not interested. Please stop posting. I understand not everyone gets naked but they are a very very small percentage. Those who do not get naked and are looking to find followers/subscribers would most likely be on a "LIVE SEX" site like where I am trying to advertise. Even a pretty model who does not get naked can still apply with us. We are more interested in people with a fanbase.

Also you are fooling yourself to think you are not a business person...we all are in a sense (which is why you must have so much hatred for me). These "clients" are not your friends because you take money from them and you never meet any of them. You treat them like friends, but in the end you provide entertainment. Nothing wrong with that. If they are in fact your friends maybe you should consider camming for free for atleast a week? That might actually help you get more clients/friends...whatever helps you sleep at night.

Also once again you may know alot about the industry but not my product or what I am asking so please stop causing confusion and wasting our time. Do not want to sound rude or disrespectful so I apologize if I come off this way, just frustrating that you keep wanting to create issues when there is no problem at all. your stance does not in fact hold true because you have no idea what I want. For example having a model simply promote my website or a big condom company like trojan puts no one in danger at all.

When you say it may not be the correct market to advertise in, that I appreciate and will take that into consideration. Would rather have had posts go back and forth regarding this aspect of the conversation. But with our marketing strategy we were thinking of going much larger than the webcam channels, Hence having a model onboard would help us to grow your brand/name. Webcam sites advertise on porn sites all the time. We are also looking into adult porn sites as well as many other ideas. Some other users of my product BBook are: PUA (Pick up artist), Cheaters, Escort clients, College kids, night life/Party goers, People on dating sites, and basically anyone who enjoys sex, meeting people, and dating. Cities like New York are filled with people who actually do not date but in fact just hook up. Statistically divorce rates are up and people tend to get married later in life. The number of partners we tend to have is also significantly higher than that of only 20 years ago. Do you think any of your fanbase who pay for webcam entertainment fall into the following category? If so maybe we can put our differences aside and work together.
 
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Dude, you are the one causing the confusion by not explaining yourself better.

Stop taking things so personally and reacting so defensively and LEARN from peoples confusion. As a business person you should know this.
 
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BBookIphoneApp said:
I appreciate you trying to justify with your initial post, but I think we established that you were misinformed with what you thought I was asking. Please stop posting on this thread.
Nope. We didn't establish anything, and this is an open forum. Anyone can post anything at any time. If someone wanted to come in and start talking about how blue elephants want to take over the world, they could.

BBookIphoneApp said:
Virtual sexual services is still considered the sex industry.Same as phone sex operators, and dancers/strippers.
No shit. Really? I HAD NO IDEA! Color me surprised! :lol:

BBookIphoneApp said:
Please stop posting.
Nah. Don't think I will, but kudoes to you for saying 'please' both times! :thumbleft:

BBookIphoneApp said:
Also you are fooling yourself to think you are not a business person...we all are in a sense (which is why you must have so much hatred for me). These "clients" are not your friends because you take money from them and you never meet any of them. You treat them like friends, but in the end you provide entertainment. Nothing wrong with that.
I never said I wasn't a businesswoman. I took issue with the fact that you seemed to be dehumanizing the awesome guys that come into my room. At its core, camming is a business, and I view it as such... but that doesn't mean that I can't make friends along the way or respect the people who frequent me and pay for my services. For the record, I'm not one of those non-nude girls... You can see me put things in my pussy 5 days a week, bb. ;)

BBookIphoneApp said:
If they are in fact your friends maybe you should consider camming for free for atleast a week? That might actually help you get more clients/friends...whatever helps you sleep at night
I sleep just fine, thanks, but it's probably not a great move to be so condescending to someone in the demographic you're trying to target. How you treat me in this discussion is something a lot of the other camgirls are going to see, and I'm guessing that last phrase is going to raise their hackles just like it did mine. You're implying that how I make my living is somehow wrong, and that I should be losing sleep over it. That's not exactly a friendly thing to say... And really rubs me the wrong way.

BBookIphoneApp said:
Do not want to sound rude or disrespectful...
Too late.

You're focusing waaaaay too much on my replies, instead of explaining exactly WHY this app would be good for camgirls, how it could help them out, etc. My original post was essentially just questions, but instead of addressing them, you've been antagonistic. That doesn't give me peace of mind considering you or your app as a part of my business, if the person behind it is so potentially volatile.

Feel free to explain it in better detail without being condescending or antagonistic, though. :)
 
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BBookIphoneApp said:
I appreciate you trying to justify with your initial post, but I think we established that you were misinformed with what you thought I was asking. Please stop posting on this thread.

Virtual sexual services is still considered the sex industry. Same as phone sex operators, and dancers/strippers. Once again you're not understanding where I am coming from with this and the fact that you are doing everything in your power to fight me shows you are not interested. Please stop posting.

A misunderstanding is a great place to start having conversation, but considering that the first person to engage you with extremely valid points was told to "stop posting" multiple times makes me weary that you are interested in having that conversation. But I don't think she was misunderstanding you at all, because:

Some other users of my product BBook are: PUA (Pick up artist), Cheaters, Escort clients, College kids, night life/Party goers, People on dating sites, and basically anyone who enjoys sex, meeting people, and dating.

Despite what some may believe our reputation to be, most camgirls are not interested in being affiliated with cheating or casual hook-ups. I couldn't count on both hands and feet the number of threads I have seen in my 3-year career as a camgirl where a girl was worried about performing for married men because she didn't want to facilitate cheating (though the general consensus is that it's not our responsibility to patrol our customers' private lifes and marriages). And the lengths us camgirls will go to communicate to our fanbase that meeting-up and having sex is never ever ever on the table is pretty astronomical.

Fairly standard new cam-model post: "I have a customer but he's married and I feel bad going private with him. Also, how do I explain to these guys that I'm not going to meet them?" This is Camming 101. Have you done any research at all on the cam-modeling industry? I really feel like your premise is shaky and you're grasping at straws here.

I'm curious, though. HOW exactly would this app benefit an online performer who is completely uninterested in meeting anyone in real life, does not engage in escorting, and doesn't want to hurt their brand that they've worked hard on by being associated with cheaters and PUAs? Because that's pretty much all of us.
 
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Some of my top questions, based on the exchange thus far:

~ How will you be using the videos you pay for? Are they for advertisement, catfishing, or some other purpose (e.g. selling to members, giving out as free incentives to sign up, etc.) How much will you pay per video, and what sort of content would be required in them?

~ What sort of 'channel' are you talking about? From the looks of the app, it's essentially just a way to store phone numbers; no mention of a 'channel' of any kind. How would you be promoting it for the girl, and how would it help her monetarily?

~ You say you cover all video/photo shoots; what would these shoots be for/how would the images be used? Would the model retain the rights to her content and be able to re-sell/use it herself, or would it be owned/distributed by you?

~ You say that a girl's real name will not be required, but if you are doing video/photo shoots, she will be required to fill out a 2257 compliance form with her real information. How will you be storing/using that information?

~ Is this a U.S. business, or is it in another country?

~ Will girls who sign up with you and earn income through your app be sent 1099 forms, or be on their own come tax season?

~ There is 20% revenue share for a 'specific time' - Where is that revenue stream coming from? Is it overall revenue from your app, or some other source? Is that 20% *overall* or a percentage of a smaller share? When does that 'specific time' or 'bonus period' end?

~ How can this app actually help camgirls, who do not meet physically with members?

~ Is there a support staff in place, or will any issues with payment/the app/potential problem members go straight to you?

~ What exactly can a camgirl expect to gain from helping you promote your business, rather than just promoting herself independently? What are you bringing to the table that could be beneficial?
 
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If you do not want to be associated with cheating or pua in any way, shape, or form than that's a different story. I could not tell you what percent of our users actually do partake in that however it is a demographic of ours. The app would not do anything at the moment outside of your social lives in that sense. However we are working on creating a social aspect to the app with chatrooms and other social connections. We want to grow our advice section from a community based to an expert base, and even some innovative facetime feature. At the moment, you personally (and if your saying alot of the other models share the same perspective) would have no interest I guess. This post was to find someone who may be interested. Sorry if the content of the app offends you though. Also the insight you bring to the conversation.
 
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Gemma give me a minute I am really slow keeping up with the all the posts. I will read now and respond.
 
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GemmaMoore said:
Can you explain why you're reaching out to camgirls, who 99% of do NOT meet (let alone hook up with) random men/members?
lol Can you explain how you know what 99% of camgirls do when they aren't online? Maybe(but probably not) 99% here don't hook up with random dudes but this place is less than 1% of the camgirl population.


BBookIphoneApp said:
These "clients" are not your friends because you take money from them and you never meet any of them. You treat them like friends, but in the end you provide entertainment. Nothing wrong with that. If they are in fact your friends maybe you should consider camming for free for atleast a week? That might actually help you get more clients/friends...whatever helps you sleep at night.
Weird comment. I think most members are aware that they are paying for friendship or sex shows. Might sound shitty but I think most understand that a camgirl/member friendship isn't comparable to a real friendship. You don't pay friends to hang out, you don't pay friends to perform sex acts, etc. Doesn't mean that you have to treat them like clients/sex workers all the time tho. Another thing to keep in mind is that most members don't even want to meet any of the camgirls so we don't care if they don't want to meet us or be real life friends.

Good luck with the app tho, would advise looking elsewhere, not sure if camgirls are the partners you want.
 
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PunkInDrublic said:
GemmaMoore said:
Can you explain why you're reaching out to camgirls, who 99% of do NOT meet (let alone hook up with) random men/members?
lol Can you explain how you know what 99% of camgirls do when they aren't online? Maybe(but probably not) 99% here don't hook up with random dudes but this place is less than 1% of the camgirl population.
I was talking only about members, actually - that must have slipped my edit, my fault for the 'random men' still being there; original sentence was 'do NOT meet random men who visit them on cam', which was then changed to 'members' for clarity. The 'random men' is an artifact. And the girls who are hooking up with guys for money aren't doing so through camsites, they're advertising locally as escorts or frequenting the legal brothels (either in addition to or instead of camming.) It'd be a pretty terrible business practice to try to sell escort services through a camsite, since the members that visit could be halfway around the world or more. The time, energy, and up-front expense for travel costs to escort through a camsite would be ridiculous, which probably explains why it's not prevalent.

And as for the 99%, hey, it's a nice number to roll of the tongue and got my point across very nicely (and is a very common fake statistical % used in online argumentation.) Don't ask me for the survey data though. :lol:
 
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I think we all learned from this experience lol. Thanks for your support! means alot.
 
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What about we change the offering and do a $5,000 contract for for a month of advertising? Do you think it would be possible to find a cam girl interested? How would you recommend contacting a pornstar? I feel they are much more hard to approach. Suggestions?
 
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You still have not really explained your app very well at all. I don't even understand what it really does or how a camgirl WOULD be involved. We can't really tell you if anyone would be interested as I think we're all still uncertain regarding what our part would be. I suggest you answer the questions that have been asked and describe the role of camgirls and their content with your app, and then we could tell you if it seems like the kind of thing anyone would be interested in.

You have not been very professional or clear thus far so I would say that at this point it is unlikely that anyone would be likely to participate, mainly because you have given us a very bad impression.
 
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Well first off, I did post a list of questions about the app a few replies ago, which you said you were responding to... and then never did. Those are all serious questions, I wasn't trolling you; in fact, I was trying to give you an opportunity to explain yourself and your app better. If you could answer those, that would be awesome! Now here are some questions in reply to your most recent post:

BBookIphoneApp said:
What about we change the offering and do a $5,000 contract for for a month of advertising?
~ Is that $5,000 up-front or in installments?
~ Would the model receive a 1099 for this income?
~ What would the contract consist of? Would there be any non-competition clauses that might cause issues with camming?
~ How would you be 'advertising' using the model's image? On what websites/platforms?
~ What is your target audience for this advertising?
~ Would the videos/photos be sexually explicit, softcore, non-nude, etc?
~ Would the model get to keep rights to the content created with you so she can re-sell it, or would you hold all the rights?
~ Would part of the advertising be the girl pretending that she uses the app? (Or actually having to use it?)
~ How many hours per week would the girl have to spend working for you during this month?
~ Would any travel be required?
~ If so, would travel expenses be covered by your company, or deducted from her pay?

BBookIphoneApp said:
Do you think it would be possible to find a cam girl interested?
Probably not one that has any sort of following, no. Every girl I can think of who works in the adult industry (outside of camming) tend to work with proven adult companies, not random, relatively unknown apps designed for booty calls. You might be able to get a new model to sign up, but they wouldn't bring any fan base to it, which was your entire point of wanting a camgirl, if I recall. Speaking of which, here are some more questions:

~ Why should a camgirl bring her customer base to your app/advertise it to her members?
~ What would be the benefit of camsite customers using your app, as it pertains to camgirls? Most camsites have friends lists, so both members and models can keep track of who they know/like to watch; how is this different from how your app functions?

BBookIphoneApp said:
How would you recommend contacting a pornstar? I feel they are much more hard to approach. Suggestions?
I would suggest contacting a pornstar agency, rather than the pornstar personally.
 
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I responded to your post but I think it took so long the message errored, and I didn't realize the post didn't go through. That sucks, thanks for your patience though. So I will try to give you as much information I can and hopefully that covers everyone's questions'.

B Book is a discrete black book app for individuals to separate, secure, and organize their sex life. It allows you to store specific and custom details about your current partners like where you met, interests, notes, and recent dates. Our women fanbase have told us they make great use of the Date log because not only do they remember what restaurants they went to but also what outfits they wore. We have an optional feature you can turn on/off that basically records your hookup history. It's essentially a Booty Log where users can remember details about the experience. Other cool features are password lock, discrete banking logo, last contact alert, and fake caller ID.

We have an eclectic user base who take advantage of the app in different ways. Online daters, Escorts, Johns, Cheaters, Shy and secretive types, College kids, Gay community, and People who only use it for Ex boyfriends. Others use it purely as a motivator and only store the contacts of a few interests they may have.

Currently the app is free but we are in the middle of adding some new features like an advice section where men/women, gay/straight come together and answer dating/sex questions to help the community. An encrypted photo vault and even an intruder alert that snaps a photo of someone attempting to break in your phone.

Advertising:
After reading your questions I realized how shady the internet could be. I now understand the exploitation that could arise and why everyone got defensive. Definitely not using your photos/videos for catfishing or scams. The cam model will know every move we make and we will ask permission as to the websites we want to post. We look at this as a mutual relationship so we are not trying to build ourselves up while simultaneously destroying you. This is not what we are about. Everything is based on what the model is comfortable with. No contracts that give us ownership over anything you do.

Videos/Photos will be used for advertising on youtube, facebook, IG, Twitter, 4chan, tmblr, redit, etc, porn sites (IF permission is granted). Idea is to brainstorm together on how we can make your brand stronger and our app bigger. You can suggest sites or forums as well as remove anything we discuss. We were thinking you wear a shirt or underwear that displays our information, a random shoutout, a watermark on the video, the url written somewhere, etc. Once again all up for discussion and brainstorming. The content will be something along the lines of a clip from your show, sexy tasteful teasing photos (non nude), booty shaking video, or a even an interesting trailer. We are willing to pay between $50 and $100 for several 3 minute clips that we could use. We want to even include your channel and your cam information when we advertise to build your name. *So we are paying for your own advertising and piggy backing our own...We will only submit and post the media content to sites you approve. We will have no rights over the video/photo only permission to use. Anytime you want it down we will remove. Like a PR manager...whats good for you is good for us.

The professional media shoots are more of a later scenario. We could probably accomplish alot of what we are asking without meeting one another. We have done this in the past with other models and it worked successfully. We told them what we wanted and they did it. Contracts/Age verification were mailed, signed, and returned back. Payments were made via PayPal and check. For me it doesn't matter I could go into your channel and donate tokens if that makes you happy. You can file your taxes accordingly as so will we. You will have our LLC information and address. We are located in NY/NJ, if you happen to be local that would be a bonus and would love to meet if once again you felt comfortable.

So the big idea we had that seemed fair for both parties and should strengthen our relationship was the idea of a profit share with us. All this advertising from your cam channel, photos, videos, web traffic, social media shoutout, etc will potentially lead to downloads of our app. We will start charging 2.99 for it and we want to give you 20% of sales. Now dealing with apple they already take a hefty 30% and of course taxes so we think 20% is overly generous. It should motivate you to want to help us and is a win win for everyone. We would talk it out and choose a period of time (1 month, 4 months, etc). All sales in that period will be split with you, even if the traffic didn't come from you. When we work with you for a certain period of time it is exclusive and will not involve anyone else. We can extend or shorten our agreement to please you, and you can even take down all your advertising afterwards. However, our real goal is for the long term. Obviously resetting the marketing efforts with a new model just becomes counter productive.

Here is an example:
100,000 DOWNLOADS = Sales: $299,000
Apple 30% cut: -$89,700
My Total: $149,500 20% Partner Payoff : $59,800

*These are ambitious numbers, I don't expect us to get that many downloads to honest but you never know. To protect you a contract stating our agreement and payment can be forged. As you can see it's pretty close to a 50/50 split

To answer your last question, the benefit for a cam girl to work with us is everything I discussed. 1) we will pay you for you content 2) We will advertise your brand/name through our network and community and implement you in our joint advertising efforts. 3) Our contacts will make professionally edited advertising to make you seem more appealing 4) 20% of revenue 5) Long term business partner and friend :)

Thanks!

www.MyBootyBook.com
 
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Okie dokie! Thank you for explaining, I think I understand now that you are looking for a spokes model!

A Tom Brady to your Ugg Boots, so to speak.
 
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JoleneBrody said:
Okie dokie! Thank you for explaining, I think I understand now that you are looking for a spokes model!

A Tom Brady to your Ugg Boots, so to speak.


Yea basically haha. Shoot me emails if anyone is interested.
 
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