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[AmberCutie]

i didn`t got these guys in my arms and trying to get them to the sky.

 

[SoulThug]

1. Who the fuck are you. Are you somehow associated with them cause that's how it looks. Valid question man.

2. SM is 35% and i'm not even looking at the rest of your numbers cause you couldnt even get the first one right. It's only 30% if you are in certain countries with high fraud rates. Know what you're talking about before you do so.

Also there are sites offering higher percentages and you didnt list them. Whether you know about them or not i'm not sure but that's not my problem or point. Also as she said they are paying in actual money which is huge to the mass majority of the world. They also have traffic which means more money is available to be made. A site can pay 100% but if they have no paying traffic no ones gonna work there. See how that stuff works?

While BC does offer no charge backs some sites do this as well. You brought up LJ but that's not a very big well used site here and it's not even listed in the top 3 to work on here. But regardless as said above it doesnt matter if you're not gonna get charged back on a site when there's no traffic there any way. 100% of nothing is still nothing.

3. I can bash what ever website I want when I SEE CLEARLY they are telling lies. They did and I called them on it. And I clearly quoted what they lied about. I dont give a flying fuck what webcams.com advertising is (never even heard of them), or other sites, the thread is about this company and this company lied. The fact is they had no need to try telling lies like this and they did so and did it repeatedly and didnt even change it when they were called on being so so so wrong. That's looks shady and when you are a new company where no one has any trust in you or knows you the last thing you should do is start out with fallacies about your business. That's a sure way to lose trust. So yeah this isn't about what I think but about what they did. Proof shown.

4. Again who the fuck are you. Do you have any clue how many sites come here advertising and making promises of bigger cuts, better this and that, blah blah, etc. Tons. You know how many run themselves in to the ground cause they have no clue what they are actually doing running a business, or a camming business at that. Pretty much all of them. It's not because we bash them either. Weve tried sites time and time again. We've given chances to many of them. Members as well. With that also comes experience on what will and will not work and right now bitcoin is one of the things that will not. So don't come here telling us it's our fault a site is going down when they didn't look in to their market (models and members) and what they want and need well enough. They're failing cause they didn't know what they were selling was not sellable the way they're doing it and had no valid market at the moment.

Yes every site starts somewhere. MFC didnt take off the second it launched. But what it has done is have something people actually want and dislike it all you want but bitcoin is not something the majority of people want. That's the difference and the difference most sites fail to see and therefore they fail. Several models have gone balls out on new sites only to see them struggle to then even pay them what they are owed, or worse crumble and disappear without payment at all. Could you not see how that may make some wary of working on a site with a payment that is unstable, that starts with telling lies, and doesnt listen to feedback it has gotten at all? You should.

And again since I blatantly pointed out they are not the first to do bitcoin this way. It has been tried with major sites already and even failed then. So it's already been tried for more than 3 days and by a large amount of models here. Know your facts before you just start accusing of us bashing and trashing without knowledge of such. Since such a large amount have been there and done that and watched it fail hugely why on earth would we do it again? Again know what you're talking about before opening your mouth. Education is key.

Dear Teagan, let me please answer you in the language you know better:
It doesn`t fucking matter who the fuck i am, you should have read the fucking post from the fucking presentation where i said that i`m watching this fucking industry when they fucking started.

Education is the key

Of course my dear Teagan, Education is the primary key in everything. Lack of education makes people acting as child do.

2. You`re right, my bad. SM is actually 35% NOW. Again i`m telling you that i`m following this industry from a long time ago.
3.

I can bash what ever website I want when I SEE CLEARLY they are telling lies.

Let's analyse it a little like 2 adults we are:
a)

Xotika.tv said:
Because Xotika.TV welcomes you to the world's first "Bitcoin-2-AdultCam" service available on the internet.

Lies.

Please point me to another website doing this ACTIVE at this moment.

b)

Xotika.tv said:
Xotika.TV offers you the 1st chance to earn Bitcoin, broadcasting either from home or studios.

Lies.

Please point me to another website doing this ACTIVE at this moment.

c)

Lies.

Please point me to another website doing this ACTIVE at this moment.

Where the fuck is the lie ?

A site can pay 100% but if they have no paying traffic no ones gonna work there. See how that stuff works?

I clearly see how stuff work: you as a model don`t want to work there because is no traffic. Traffic don`t want to go there because you as a model don`t want to go there because traffic don`t want to go there because you as a model don`t want to go there because is no traffic. Wait, i`m going circle. Getting dizzy already.

but bitcoin is not something the majority of people want

No bitcoiner would go on a fiat camsite (as they are requesting too many sensitive and personal data) and no one who don`t know what bitcoin is wouldn`t come on a bitcoin based website. So there are new people from where to get your extra income.

4. Again who the fuck are you

Again go fucking read the fucking presentation post.
And yes, i know how many websites are advertising on forums and everywhere. Some of them may succeed some of them may not. That's the marketing. But bashing something from the start just because YOU THINK is not worth trying it doesn`t show your superiority. Just give them a chance.
Let me remember you your first 200 tokens show. And yet again go read that fucking presentation post.

 

[SoulThug]

Let me tell you that i personally met these guys at the AWSummit in Romania this summer. They are a bunch of guys with one passion (bitcoin) and a lot of skills. And what they are trying to do is to bring something new on the market and eliminate most of the middle man in the industry. At this moment they`re just a little more than halfway to their ideal of the site.
And about shares, i talked with them and yes, they are low at the moment because they have expenses as every camsite have and the income isn`t that large at the moment. They plan to rise the shares up to 80% including referral income which is way more than any other website.
I didn`t got into this thread to make you do it. I just got in because it looked unfair what you have done with them. I do admit that their first approach wasn`t the best but they are thinking bitcoin, and bitcoin doesn`t really apply outside community.

Instead of thinking how to bash them better think on how may i exploit this new opportunity. There are a lot of websites offering you shares and traffic but all related to currency.
They are not bringing you another currency. They are bringing you a whole community. Think how to combine 2 different communities in one place: your wallet.

 

[SoulThug]

• 
  Take a chill pill x 1

Thank you Amber but i was just replying in the same tone it was spoken. The chill pill should have been awarded earlier. But i might made a good use of it if my blood pressure goes over the boundaries. Never happened tho.

 

[Teagan]

Hahaha dude. Touchy much? Cant handle a few curse words? Deal. I asked who you were and as I said it was valid. Your post came off like all we did was bash for no reason and that's not the case. You came in without prior knowledge and I informed you of better. You're welcome. Also keep in mind tone when read is assigned by yourself, you choose how to read it. If a curse word here or there is used (which i'm known to do) upsets you then that is on you. Not me.

Now let's get to poking holes in your stuff shall we? Cool.

1. Great now that we established you dont work for them (as you say) then that helps me understand where you're coming from better. If they're good guys that's fine and dandy but that doesnt mean they know what the hell they are doing running a business or a camming one. Plenty of nice people have businesses fail cause like I said already they do not have a sellable product or a grasp on how to sell it if they do. So it's good to know they're good people but they still are doing it wrong

2.

my dear Teagan

Don't. I'm not your dear anything and language like that is condescending in connotation or a term of endearment. Neither of which should be applied here. I'm an adult and should be treated as such as that is how I treated you.

3. I dont care how long you have been folllowing the industry really as plenty of others here as well but at least get the facts straight and up to date. That'd be great m'kay.

4. The lies as was pointed out several times is the "first, 1st, 1st" they used. And that's just from 2 minutes of looking in to them then. There could be more IDK. But regardless each one of those things is a flat out lie. ANY looking in to the market would have told them that and they should have then stayed away from using that as some selling point as it's not true.
"You are not the first. Not by a long shot. Dont try to play it off like you are. It looks shady from the get go."
My issue and point made was not an active site doing it, but the lie they were anywhere near the first. Heck you can search the forum here and find site after site who tried it or where it's discussed. Also i'm not gonna waste my time trying to track down what active sites take bitcoin. Not my job to and I frankly don't care. I know several sites both new and major have already tried it and if you wanna know about them then YOU look into it. Or better yet maybe tell them to since they obviously didn't or just chose to tell the lie anyway. Either way though a lie is a lie.

Lastly you seem to be under the impression bashing is being done for the sake of such. I for one dont see any of this as bashing but to each their own, however several of the reasons models and members dont like this site is in the multiples and valid. And it's obviously just not me but the mass majority of models and members since the site is failing so badly. So it's not a matter of what I think or a matter of superiority. It's not like i'm somehow stopping them from succeeding alone lol. They are failing cause of themselves alone.

 

[SoulThug]

Hahaha dude. Touchy much?

No. As i said i was replying exactly as it was spoken. If your language understand only the fuck word at this moment so be it.

So it's good to know they're good people but they still are doing it wrong

Instead of getting hard on them DID YOU TRIED TO SHOW them that THEY ARE WRONG and how ? Correct their ideas they have and point them in a right direction ?
No.

Don't. I'm not your dear anything and language like that is condescending in connotation or a term of endearment

Let me tell you again my dear Teagan Chase that i was an active follower of yours on cammodels and also bought some of your clips from clips4sale. So that endorse me to call you "dear" as most of your followers do.

but at least get the facts straight and up to date

It was my only mistake because of the rush. Don`t get hard on me because of that. You never made any mistake like this ? I`m sure you did.
That makes me a liar too ?

Also i'm not gonna waste my time trying to track down what active sites take bitcoin.

And if you're not gonna waste your time on that how the hell do you KNOW that they are telling lies ? Based on suppositions that there must be more like this ? Just because you don`t have time to do your research about that and labeling it as a LIE must be a fact ?

several of the reasons models and members dont like this site is in the multiples and valid. And it's obviously just not me but the mass majority of models and members since the site is failing so badly

How many models posted against this site BEFORE you did ? Oh, wait, the majority of the 6000+ models registered on the forum. And why do i see the same 2 answering always against and others just copying their rolemodels as you are?

Before your first post with lies how many did liked the idea ? So please tell me where I am wrong. You didn`t gave them any chance based on your suppositions and now you`re assuming yourself the voice of majority based on what ?

And btw, i`m glad you can write a normal post without actually using that "fuck" word. And sounded better too.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Discussion on this topic was completely over, and then you decide to bring it back up just to argue with us. And you're being rude and condescending about valid objections that people have voiced.

Do yourself a favor: use the search function and search the forum for "bitcoin" (something that these folks probably should have done before posting, to be honest). You'll discover that the posts that have been made regarding bitcoin has thoroughly convinced active forum members that, no, we don't want to use bitcoin.

 

[SoulThug]

Discussion on this topic was completely over, and then you decide to bring it back up just to argue with us. And you're being rude and condescending about valid objections that people have voiced.

Do yourself a favor: use the search function and search the forum for "bitcoin" (something that these folks probably should have done before posting, to be honest). You'll discover that the posts that have been made regarding bitcoin has thoroughly convinced active forum members that, no, we don't want to use bitcoin.

Take a look over here: http://goatcheesedick.com/join-my-crew/
And scroll down.
Do you know this model ? She have a thread in this forum.
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/damn-it-margaret-calm-the-fuck-down.21447/
And if i search more i might find more. The discussion wasn`t about you HAVE TO USE bitcoins.
And by saying "WE" i assume that you talk in the name of ALL models around here. Right ? Or i might be wrong again ?

 

[SaffronBurke]

Take a look over here: http://goatcheesedick.com/join-my-crew/
And scroll down.
Do you know this model ? She have a thread in this forum.
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/damn-it-margaret-calm-the-fuck-down.21447/
And if i search more i might find more. The discussion wasn`t about you HAVE TO USE bitcoins.
And by saying "WE" i assume that you talk in the name of ALL models around here. Right ? Or i might be wrong again ?

I am speaking of what people have said many times in their own words. Many models, as well as members, have clearly voiced in the plethora of threads about bitcoin that they are not interested in using it. Not all, but a majority of the active posters. Many of the models signed up on this forum post very rarely.

Many models are dependent on camming to keep their families housed and fed. When that's the case, you're far more likely to stick with a site that you're familiar with, where you know how much you're certain to make during a shift, than you are to try out a new site that you're not familiar with and can't know what to expect. You're also more likely to want to get paid in a currency that has a set value and not a volatile one.

 

[SoulThug]

Discussion on this topic was completely over, and then you decide to bring it back up just to argue with us. And you're being rude and condescending about valid objections that people have voiced.

Sorry, forgot to answer on this part.
I didn`t got this back in discussion just to argue with you. It just wasn`t fair what you did after i have read all posts. Valid objections that people have voiced. Sorry that my objections wasn`t as valid as the others were. Or they were ? Hard to say.
And about being rude, please state exactly where that happened.

 

[SoulThug]

I am speaking of what people have said many times in their own words. Many models, as well as members, have clearly voiced in the plethora of threads about bitcoin that they are not interested in using it. Not all, but a majority of the active posters. Many of the models signed up on this forum post very rarely.

Many models are dependent on camming to keep their families housed and fed. When that's the case, you're far more likely to stick with a site that you're familiar with, where you know how much you're certain to make during a shift, than you are to try out a new site that you're not familiar with and can't know what to expect. You're also more likely to want to get paid in a currency that has a set value and not a volatile one.

Totally agree with you. But let me tell you my point regarding to that. Isn`t a public discussion forum intended to be for free discussions and argues ?
If you would have the chance to have your own independent website where to stream, based on your fanbase and the only middleman between you and your members would be the payment processor what you would choose? To stream on a camsite for a share or to stream for yourself for a bigger share ?
And if you go with your own website what payment processor you would choose ? Paxum ? Epoch ? Any of these are taking 15% to 25% from transactions and another at least $25 and small share for chargebacks that might happen.
If the $ value in stock market drops related to other currencies and the prices are rising because of that ? Doesn`t that makes it a volatile currency ?
If that happens you would adjust your show prices according to it. I hope i`m right.
Bitcoin is the same stock market asset as all currencies are. If it drops then you should ask more. If it goes up, depends on you if you lower your price or not.

where you know how much you're certain to make during a shift, than you are to try out a new site that you're not familiar with and can't know what to expect

I do see your point in here and i totally agree with. But as you can stream on multiple websites in the same time, using splitters or multiple webcams, so you can have a secondary stream on a new site just to see how`s going. I don`t say YOU HAVE TO DO IT, it's just a point of view. If you`re not satisfied no one stops you to leave. If the income prove that is worth it then no one stops you to stream. If you`re not familiar with a website i think there is always support to guide you trough it.

 

[Teagan]

1. Fuck.

2. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier, a reading comprehension issue or what but i'm gonna try one last time here to get you to understand since you are so way off base it's way in the realm of nonsensical replies from you. I'll try to speak more plainly for you benefit. Fuck.

Instead of getting hard on them DID YOU TRIED TO SHOW them that THEY ARE WRONG and how ? Correct their ideas they have and point them in a right direction ?
No.

3.. It's not my job to do their job. It's their job to do the research on the business they are creating and they didn't. They also rebuffed feedback and ignored it when told different so when a business does that why continue to try to help them? There's no point.

Let me tell you again my dear Teagan Chase that i was an active follower of yours on cammodels and also bought some of your clips from clips4sale. So that endorse me to call you "dear" as most of your followers do.

4. I dont care how many dollars you throw at any model, you do not have ANY right of entitlement to call them what you will based on that. NONE. My followers do not call me dear and never have. Nor do they call me bb or any other term of endearment. Throwing a few dollars my way to buy my porn means nothing but a transaction. An appreciated one but not one that comes with entitlement on yours or any other persons part. And if a member when asked to stop calling me any such names does not listen they get banned for such. As is the case with most models. It's disrespectful to ignore someones request when you have been asked to do otherwise. Especially in this context and on this platform. Now that's IF it was meant as such and not in a condescending manner. Either way though I am not now nor was I nor will I ever be your dear nor do you have any right to try to call me such. Continuing to do so is wrong. Fuck.

And if you're not gonna waste your time on that how the hell do you KNOW that they are telling lies ? Based on suppositions that there must be more like this ? Just because you don`t have time to do your research about that and labeling it as a LIE must be a fact ?

5. I know because their repeated claim to be the first has been proven to be not true. Therefore it is a lie. Whether they did so by not knowing (willing ignorance) or they knew and said it anyway (malicious lie) does not matter. It's a lie. When called on such not only did they not fix the issue and admit their mistake, they just pretended like it didn't happen. That makes them look shady, ignorant, making false claims, untrustworthy, and a whole slew of other things. All they had to do was say they made a mistake and fix it. They didnt.

How many sites currently or used to take bitcoin is a moot point. You bringing it up is a moot point. It reads as a smoke screen to distract from the fact of what they claimed was not true. So I do not need to waste my time looking in to other sites payment options cause it's MOOT. That's not the issue, was not the point, and never was. You're the one who brought it up but it has no bearing on their lying. It's a fact they did. The only question is whether or not they did it on purpose or out of lack of their own research. What is proven though is that they lied and did not address the issue in any way. Fuck.

How many models posted against this site BEFORE you did ? Oh, wait, the majority of the 6000+ models registered on the forum. And why do i see the same 2 answering always against and others just copying their rolemodels as you are?

Before your first post with lies how many did liked the idea ? So please tell me where I am wrong. You didn`t gave them any chance based on your suppositions and now you`re assuming yourself the voice of majority based on what ?

And btw, i`m glad you can write a normal post without actually using that "fuck" word. And sounded better too.

6. Assuming people are copying their role models is insulting at best. We have brains, experience, etc, and are not sheeple. Assuming were all just on for the ride is a mistake. Assuming we dont know what were talking about is an even bigger one. I didnt care who posted before me or why when I made my initial post. The reason I did it was to draw attention to the site and the others here of some false advertising they were doing. Period. Others here are always free to make up their own mind as they are in life as well. Anyone who liked the website before my post was free to do so after it as well. And they could choose to speak up if they wanted to or stay in silent support of any postings they chose. That's one of the great things about the interweb as a whole actually. I simply pointed out the websites lies and they had an open ended chance to fix such but they never did. That's not my fault for calling them on their shit.

And i'm in no way assuming anything here. Everything I have said is based on reality and in reality. The site lied. They are failing for a myriad of reasons. And they will continue to do so if they continue on the road they are on. Fuck.

7. I dont give one slight fuck about what you think about the way I talk. I will not change it based on how you fucking feel. I speak how I want to fucking speak. You have no fucking say in such. I dont care if you wanna fucking take away a hostile tone in it. As I said that is fucking on you, not me. I say fuck when i'm mad, happy, angry, excited, joyful, and everything in between all of those fucking emotions and it is up to me wholly and only to change that if I ever do. Condescendingly talking down to me about it will get you no where. The only ones who do have any say on this platform is Amber and Jawbs and I will respect them and their rules only.

Fuck.

 

[SoulThug]

They also rebuffed feedback and ignored it when told different so when a business does that why continue to try to help them?

Please show me where that happened ? Where was that feedback that helped them to see your point of view ? And where you helped them ?

you do not have ANY right of entitlement

You had nothing against this when i called you like that on your room. Or you would have told me then. But this is another discussion and it's off-topic.

5. How much do you know about their website ? Did you had the curiosity to ask why they are claiming to be first ?
Let me reveal you some insights which i found out by having the patience to listen.
NO OTHER site have their own processor based on bitcoin node and pool. They are first.
Any other bitcoin released websites are using public services for transactions. They are not. They are the first using everything on their own.

6.

people are copying their role models is insulting at best

If you took that as an insult then i`m sorry. It wasn`t intended to. But you have to admit that some models have a heavy word on things while others are just approving because they are younger and not experienced as you are. I might be wrong again.

7.

And i'm in no way assuming anything here. Everything I have said is based on reality and in reality. The site lied.

Please prove that based on facts you didn`t researched because is not your job to do it. Or the facts you found by talking with the website owners. Is there any discussion between you and them ? Before you made those statements ? Or you just took as granted that you found in your not researching the internet about that?

And please allow me to give you one of the chill pills i got. It might be useful.

 

[AmberCutie]

• The first 2 pages of this thread were full of members and models giving feedback. That's also where it was pointed out that they lied about being "the first".
• Calling someone "dear" when disagreeing with them is a condescension tactic. Maybe you don't realize it because you're not from the US(?) and it's different where you live.
• Saying "who the fuck are you" is not equivalent to your reply wherein you use "fuck/fucking" in nearly every sentence. It was a rude reply.
• I'm going to lock this topic soon just to stop this stupid arguing, I think people here mostly stopped caring about this bitcoin site a while ago until someone revived the thread. (Not to say anyone cares now, but obviously want to defend arguments made against them.
• Off-topic but do you know that the apostrophe ( ' ) is different than a grave accent ( ` )?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

RoyalTiffany you are adorable. Please post links to other sites you work if you see this. Thnx

 

[SoulThug]

• The first 2 pages of this thread were full of members and models giving feedback. That's also where it was pointed out that they lied about being "the first".
• Calling someone "dear" when disagreeing with them is a condescension tactic. Maybe you don't realize it because you're not from the US(?) and it's different where you live.
• Saying "who the fuck are you" is not equivalent to your reply wherein you use "fuck/fucking" in nearly every sentence. It was a rude reply.
• I'm going to lock this topic soon just to stop this stupid arguing, I think people here mostly stopped caring about this bitcoin site a while ago until someone revived the thread. (Not to say anyone cares now, but obviously want to defend arguments made against them.)
• Off-topic but do you know that the apostrophe ( ' ) is different than a tilde ( ` )?

Amber, sorry for this discussion going here but:
1. Did anyone tried to find out the changes that have been made after those feedbacks ?
2 and 3

you're not from the US

no, i`m not from the US and where i am "who the fuck are you" is as rude as using "fucking" in every sentence.
5. As i said, i`m not a native english speaker and yes i do know the difference between ' and ` but it's easier to reach on ` than ' when you`re a programmer.

this stupid arguing

Agree with you, but based on facts.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Dear Teagan, let me please answer you in the language you know better:
It doesn`t fucking matter who the fuck i am, you should have read the fucking post from the fucking presentation where i said that i`m watching this fucking industry when they fucking started.

Hahaha this is literally the first paragraph this guy wrote that I actually understood fully.

 

[AmberCutie]

Agree with you, but based on facts.

Nah, this argument has very little fact and a whole lotta attitude. Shall we be done? Yes I think we shall.

I welcome you to post on other topics here at ACF, but this topic has worn out its welcome.

(Also, my bad for mixing up tilde and grave accent. But it always drives me bonkers to see them mixed up.)

Good luck to Xotika. Not many of us will ever utilize it as many of us ACF girls prefer to deal with real currency, but I'm sure some bitcoiners will enjoy it if they get beyond some faults.