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I am sorry, but I just need to vent over this. 6-18tks, 30-42tks, 60-72tks and 90+tks per minute are now the ways to search for PVT show costs.

I have had a TON of idiots coming into my room complaining about my price per minute. Who at CB thought it was a great is to put the PVT shows into a lump category system?! The cheap fucks looking for 6 per minute are getting pissed because mine is set to 18. You have tags for every damn thing under the sun, but you cannot sort PVT shows by one price anymore? Good Lord, add it back in please!
 
Discussing what price is acceptable is meaningless if you are not considering how much difference there is in wages worldwide.
But why would that make any difference, that's the point you didnt make.

Not really disagreeing, discussion on what a model feels is an acceptable price is meaningless, but my reasoning is because that model knows what they are happy charging. While I dont like charging 6 tokens a minute because it dosnt feel worth my time, someone else may feel that it is.
 
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Going to dp to point out I dont think anyone has said a model shouldn't charge whatever they charge, but at least what my understanding of what I read was members that go to low priced shows should tailor their expectations to better align with the amount the model is being paid for the show.
 
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It's less about "poor people consuming sex work" and more about "sex shows/etc are a privilege not a right" and should be consumed by people with that part of their budget as a bonus expense not depended on as a part of what their barely living wage allows.

And unfortunately a lot of the models who price their privates at the lowest rate are what are considered "survival sex workers" where this job is their only means of earning a wage, and they can't scrape by with higher rates. So keep in mind when you're patronizing those who rate their PVT so low, it's cuz they need that money to feed themselves/their family. I'm glad you accept that you're cheap, though. At least you get that part of it.


What it comes down to is that some sex workers have contempt for sex work consumers. And that's what I'm getting from reading many of these threads. Sure sex work is not a necessity, that goes without saying but the fact you felt it should be said belies the contempt. 6/min pvts allow me to tip more extra without spending as much. I tip more than 18/min pvt, maybe as much as 30/min in extra tips but I like for that to be a show of appreciation. I enjoy tipping extra to show that appreciation. If i were in a 30/min pvt, I would not be able to show the same appreciation. The contempt and taboo around sex work will never go away when sex workers themselves have an antagonistic and derisive attitude toward a large part of their consumer base.

Also, contempt for sex workers. Most people work to survive. If I was rich, I wouldn't work the job I have now. I make a good living and won't say what I make but if it were hourly, I pay more in sex work than I make hourly. Someone doing sex work to survive does not make them less than someone doing sex work to afford extra avocado on their toast.

Going to dp to point out I dont think anyone has said a model shouldn't charge whatever they charge, but at least what my understanding of what I read was members that go to low priced shows should tailor their expectations to better align with the amount the model is being paid for the show.

The second post was a model telling another that 18/min was too low. There have been plenty of models telling others that they are charging too low.
 
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The second post was a model telling another that 18/min was too low. There have been plenty of models telling others that they are charging too low.

The second post dosnt say that at all, what it says is that model charges more and at a higher price you get a higher quality of customer. Which is true and not exclusive to camming, people who look to pay the least in any industry always have the highest expectations on what their money should get them.
 
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The second post dosnt say that at all, what it says is that model charges more and at a higher price you get a higher quality of customer. Which is true and not exclusive to camming, people who look to pay the least in any industry always have the highest expectations on what their money should get them.


"You low ball yourself"

I don't think that's true of any industry because I don't have contempt for poor people. I've been poor, never did I think that a $1200 used car should drive like a Lamborghini. Because I was poor not stupid.

I am sure there are people that do try to haggle with models. I am not one of those people. It might even be a greater problem in camming as anonymity always proves to bring shameless behavior out of people. NTM that sex work and sex workers are too often devalued in society, even by consumers. The problem I have is that I don't go into rooms that charge more than I'm willing to spend and I don't haggle prices. If there are people who by all evidence I have, enjoy spending time with me for how much I'm willing to spend, why is that a problem because I'm not willing to spend what you want spent on yourself?(Not at you but at the attitude of this thread).

And I think that's what gets to the root of the OP's post. People looking for 6tok/min rooms should be shown 6tok/min rooms. Having people looking for 6tok/min rooms going into 18tok/min rooms creates an undue hassle for the model. Now, the customer should just leave. That's also part of the problem but save for getting rid of the shamelessness of the internet and societal attitudes toward sex work, I don't know if that part can be solved immediately. Ungrouping the pvt prices at least mitigates it.

If I had to take a guess, I'd guess this is being done because some models go to 6/min only for the exposure. I don't have a problem with that but could see how CB might think that is gaming the system. And I've heard from models that some users take a ridiculous amount of offense to it(again, shamelessness) and might think grouping the pvts together would make that harder to do. I just don't think it's a good idea, nor do I think it will work.
 
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"You low ball yourself"

I don't think that's true of any industry because I don't have contempt for poor people. I've been poor, never did I think that a $1200 used car should drive like a Lamborghini. Because I was poor not stupid.

I am sure there are people that do try to haggle with models. I am not one of those people. It might even be a greater problem in camming as anonymity always proves to bring shameless behavior out of people. NTM that sex work and sex workers are too often devalued in society, even by consumers. The problem I have is that I don't go into rooms that charge more than I'm willing to spend and I don't haggle prices. If there are people who by all evidence I have, enjoy spending time with me for how much I'm willing to spend, why is that a problem because I'm not willing to spend what you want spent on yourself?(Not at you but at the attitude of this thread).

And I think that's what gets to the root of the OP's post. People looking for 6tok/min rooms should be shown 6tok/min rooms. Having people looking for 6tok/min rooms going into 18tok/min rooms creates an undue hassle for the model. Now, the customer should just leave. That's also part of the problem but save for getting rid of the shamelessness of the internet and societal attitudes toward sex work, I don't know if that part can be solved immediately. Ungrouping the pvt prices at least mitigates it.

If I had to take a guess, I'd guess this is being done because some models go to 6/min only for the exposure. I don't have a problem with that but could see how CB might think that is gaming the system. And I've heard from models that some users take a ridiculous amount of offense to it(again, shamelessness) and might think grouping the pvts together would make that harder to do. I just don't think it's a good idea, nor do I think it will work.
I may dislike 6 token privates, but I have to say this post was well thought out and well written. Some good points here.
 
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"You low ball yourself"

I don't think that's true of any industry because I don't have contempt for poor people. I've been poor, never did I think that a $1200 used car should drive like a Lamborghini. Because I was poor not stupid.
Its not about expecting a Lamborghini but more expecting the reality of what a $1200 car is, it will have some odd sounds, the ac might not work, etc. (basically it will probably need a little extra spent to get everything you want out of it).

I said always but that's an exaggeration there are people that understand than when you look at prices on the low side of the scale, things that are included higher up the price scale might not be included at that price. Some people understand that, a lot dont and have their expectations set too high.

But I do agree, if you're happy with what you spend and the model is happy with what she's earning then that's the only thing that actually matters.

And I do agree that their pricing groups are pretty bad, if it was +/- 10% of the cost it would make more sense to include those that are slightly above and slightly under, but double and triple is a big increase over the intended spend.
 
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Jesus Christ 6tokens a minute should be illegal
I want to say yes and no. 6 tokens per min is far very cheap no doubt about that! But again many girls (ofc not all) have the added cost charge. So like one lady I know is already earnt $50 within first minute of her show and the added 6 tokens per min is just bonus in her eyes. I did ask why not charge more for the pvt with the added costs but she said gotten less business and same if she charged more without added costs.
I dunno I think perhaps have that as a official rule, that 6 tokens will mean u have to pay $$$$ more upfront?

I don't think your getting what vixen is saying charging 18 tokes is considered very low for a pvt already. So even if it's lumped she's still going to get cheaper customers. If your doing good at 18 I recommend trying at least 30 or 60 . Your clients will be better quality. Vixen was trying to help her
I don't really want to get into this again but that isn't how it sounded with her first couple of responses, and looking at mia's reply I'm clearly not the only one that thought that.

I feel like you forgot to explain your point...

Models arnt trying to make minimum wage, their target customers arnt making minimum wage. Why would what someone earns in a minmum wage job in a country that isnt filled with the customers your targeting effect pricing?

If your point was "this is what these people can afford to spend" then you missed the living costs (which would make for a better argument than minimum wage in regards to setting pricing than minimum wage), then you could do minimum wage - living costs = available to spend and make the argument that prices are too high because the money isnt there, but again, not targeting people making minimum wage, so moot point.

The only thing your post shows is why there are more Romanian and Colombian models than there are USA models.
It's depressing to see how many South american women are on here and not very popular. What is the cost of living in columbia? Anyone know?

This is also why there's more Eastern Europeans on the site as well. I asked a lady in Russia if she was happy being on here and said yeah what she was earning working as a waitress over 7 days she can earn in just 16 hours on here (and that was with studio taking 25% of each token). Unfortunately it still means that a studio russian still has to make at least 2000 tokens over 8 hours to be doing better then average working class russian (and to nitpick how I know $150 on a bad day is still better then what most Russians earn 😉✌️)
 
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I want to say yes and no. 6 tokens per min is far very cheap no doubt about that! But again many girls (ofc not all) have the added cost charge. So like one lady I know is already earnt $50 within first minute of her show and the added 6 tokens per min is just bonus in her eyes. I did ask why not charge more for the pvt with the added costs but she said gotten less business and same if she charged more without added costs.
I dunno I think perhaps have that as a official rule, that 6 tokens will mean u have to pay $$$$ more upfront?
In general it's a tactic that works, its also how casino's keep people gambling, If i'm not mistaken it's called sunk cost fallacy, where you've already put money in so your more likely to keep putting more money in at that point to get the desired outcome so the initial spend dosnt feel like a waste.
 
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I want to say yes and no. 6 tokens per min is far very cheap no doubt about that! But again many girls (ofc not all) have the added cost charge. So like one lady I know is already earnt $50 within first minute of her show and the added 6 tokens per min is just bonus in her eyes. I did ask why not charge more for the pvt with the added costs but she said gotten less business and same if she charged more without added costs.
I dunno I think perhaps have that as a official rule, that 6 tokens will mean u have to pay $$$$ more upfront?


I don't really want to get into this again but that isn't how it sounded with her first couple of responses, and looking at mia's reply I'm clearly not the only one that thought that.


It's depressing to see how many South american women are on here and not very popular. What is the cost of living in columbia? Anyone know?

This is also why there's more Eastern Europeans on the site as well. I asked a lady in Russia if she was happy being on here and said yeah what she was earning working as a waitress over 7 days she can earn in just 16 hours on here (and that was with studio taking 25% of each token). Unfortunately it still means that a studio russian still has to make at least 2000 tokens over 8 hours to be doing better then average working class russian (and to nitpick how I know $150 on a bad day is still better then what most Russians earn 😉✌️)
I make 5 times that in one private in one hour. I'm not exotic or out of this world attractive. I'm your plain Jane, basic white girl. But studio models can't play in this discussion because they don't get to set their rules/rates, as far as I know.
 
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Most people work to survive. If I was rich, I wouldn't work the job I have now. I make a good living and won't say what I make but if it were hourly, I pay more in sex work than I make hourly. Someone doing sex work to survive does not make them less than someone doing sex work to afford extra avocado on their toast.

Survival sex work is different than just working to survive/pay the bills at a regular vanilla job. Survival sex work is when someone is unable to work/make money to survive by more socially acceptable avenues. Whether it's because of chronic illnesses/disabilities, socioeconomic issues, etc. People who do survival sex work are doing so out of extreme need and desperation, and may not have chosen to do sex work if they had other options. It's usually that they have to chose either being homeless/going hungry or doing sex work.

It certainly doesn't make anyone less than people working other more vanilla jobs or people who are doing sex work not out of dire necessity. However, there's a lot of people (even consumers, which you pointed out) that do devalue anyone who does sex work and there's still the stigma that comes with being a sex worker, which can be harder to swallow when you didn't have any other options other than doing sex work.

I'm sure you and a lot of people here already know this, but wanted to clearly say all that to make my next point.

What it comes down to is that some sex workers have contempt for sex work consumers. And that's what I'm getting from reading many of these threads. Sure sex work is not a necessity, that goes without saying but the fact you felt it should be said belies the contempt. 6/min pvts allow me to tip more extra without spending as much. I tip more than 18/min pvt, maybe as much as 30/min in extra tips but I like for that to be a show of appreciation. I enjoy tipping extra to show that appreciation. If i were in a 30/min pvt, I would not be able to show the same appreciation. The contempt and taboo around sex work will never go away when sex workers themselves have an antagonistic and derisive attitude toward a large part of their consumer base.

I'm only speaking for myself and not as if this opinion is shared by all, or perhaps even most, sex workers. I don't have contempt for the majority of members. In fact, I'm very appreciative for all the people who have either bought my content, bought customs, tipped or had privates with me throughout the years. Before getting into the adult industry almost seven years ago, I was a bartender for almost my entire adult life. Comparing customers between the two industries, the majority of customers/members I've had doing adult work have been by far more kind and respectful than most customers I dealt with when I was a bartender. Not only that, but I've had regulars who I just genuinely liked as people and would never have contempt for, and never judged them for consuming sex work. In fact, I think it's great that there's people that actually spend money on the sexual content/porn they consume rather than consuming pirated content. Sex workers deserve to be compensated for their time and work (however much they decide they want to be compensated) and generally speaking, a lot of members know that and respect that, which is awesome. Especially nowadays when there's men who consume the same content for free, yet talk shit about men who actually pay for that same content.

However, just like the general population is comprised of all different types of people, so is sex work consumers. There's some extremely predatory and manipulative people who go to sex workers and knowingly take advantage of them. I'm not saying this is all members, or even the majority, but they do exist. And while there's definitely rich members/whales who are predatory, you see it a bit more with "cheaper" members. These people will go to models who price their time at a much lower rate (like models who may be survival sex workers or models who are from lower socioeconomic regions) and knowingly take advantage of them, thinking they can get away with it because these models need any money they can get to survive and won't be able to turn down any sorts of requests. Those are the members I have contempt for. Just like I would have contempt for anyone, even outside of the sex work sphere, who knowingly manipulates other people to their advantage. I do not like exploitation. At all. It doesn't have anything to do with them having budgets and not being able to spend thousands of tokens every day. Not everyone can spend hundreds or thousands of money on what should be a fun, leisure time activity, and that's totally understandable.

If a model prices her time at 6 tokens a minute and she's happy with that, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that or any contempt for members who do privates at that rate. It's not something I'd ever personally be comfortable with, but as long as no one is being manipulated or exploited, it's not something I'm going to concern myself with. Sadly, like I said before, there's some people who will see that rate, and think they can get away with pushing boundaries, exploiting the model and asking for more and more, because they assume that anyone who has such low prices will do anything they want for insanely low prices. And unfortunately, sometimes they get away with it.
 
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I make 5 times that in one private in one hour. I'm not exotic or out of this world attractive. I'm your plain Jane, basic white girl. But studio models can't play in this discussion because they don't get to set their rules/rates, as far as I know.
Depends on the studio. Most of the ladies I know that came from studios, have made it very clear that they wouldn't have worked for a studio that told them what they had to charge.
 
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Oh and the girl would make that 5 times that in a pvt in an hour but (like I said in the other topic) at 240 per min she doesn't get many requests for pvts because most users cant afford to spend $160 for 10 minutes let alone an hour.
 
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Oh and the girl would make that 5 times that in a pvt in an hour but (like I said in the other topic) at 240 per min she doesn't get many requests for pvts because users cant afford to spend $160 for 10 minutes let alone an hour.
Five times what? My comment was that I made 5 times the amount of tokens in one hour in private at my rate plus tips on top than she made in 8 hours for one day. My needs may be completely different, obviously. Privates are really intense for me because of the one on one nature. It's very hard for me to focus that long for just one person. So it needs to be more than financially worth it for me than for others, I get that.

Buuut back to the origin topic. CB is trying to upsell users. Models will always be the collateral damage in these scenarios. Nothing is ever done for us. It's solely for their bottom line. Perhaps privates take up resources we don't know about, I've heard through the grapevine CB is having massive issues with their servers and how bandwidth is allotted. I'm not that deep into the tech of it all and actually find it a little boring and above my pay grade.

Yeah I completely lost my mind when they made the promo feature available to any tom dick and harry but that's because I'm being forced to stay on cam the entire time without my permission. But collating private show prices isn't really all that much different than lumping age groups together, on its face. The devil is in the details and if someone doesn't want to pay an asking price, they can keep searching. CB may actually be trying to lower the number of privates taken on the site for reasons...
 
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Oh and the girl would make that 5 times that in a pvt in an hour but (like I said in the other topic) at 240 per min she doesn't get many requests for pvts because most users cant afford to spend $160 for 10 minutes let alone an hour.

Not every model likes taking privates or they make more money from tips in public chat, so their privates rates are higher than most to make it worth their time to be out of public chat.

I personally love how MFC has fixed private rates, so there's no worrying about how to price privates. Yet, even on MFC, I'd very rarely accept private shows from someone I didn't have a rapport with and so the majority of my private shows were with members I knew would have very long private shows (an hour or more, and I had one regular who'd get three hour long private shows) and would also tip throughout them. Because I generally did well in public chat and taking privates mid stream can really kill any momentum you have going in public.

CB may actually be trying to lower the number of privates taken on the site for reasons...

I'm really not familiar at all with CB, but I would imagine that'd hurt their bottom line rather than help it. I could be wrong about this, considering how many models stream on CB, but I know for the majority of sites the top models (like top 1-5%) are who makes the majority of the money for the site. However, while most top models make the majority, if not all, of their income from public tips, a lot of models not in the top make a good bit of their money from private shows. Lower placed models still contribute a fair amount to any site's bottom line, and I think they'd lose a good bit of money if CB was actively trying to lower the amount of privates taken.

I think sometimes sites just make weird decisions that don't make a lot of sense. My main site for years is a prime example of this. Constantly making changes that no one asked for that seems to hurt model's incomes rather than help it (which in turn obviously effects the site's overall income).
 
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Not every model likes taking privates or they make more money from tips in public chat, so their privates rates are higher than most to make it worth their time to be out of public chat.



I think sometimes sites just make weird decisions that don't make a lot of sense. My main site for years is a prime example of this. Constantly making changes that no one asked for that seems to hurt model's incomes rather than help it (which in turn obviously effects the site's overall income).
Your first point applies to me to a T. :)

To the second, in less than a week, we had three posts on here about private shows not recording properly. Those members asked for a refund and got it. So they're losing money either way. I get what you're saying and I think we're saying kind of the same thing but in different ways. We're allowed to set minimum times and if a viewer leaves before that time is up, as long as the model doesn't end the private we keep taking their tokens until the minimum time is up. I don't think anyone on here has posted about that and said they were able to get a refund but I've never looked, either. But I can see where no one would want to go private after that happens. For Chaturbate, public play is always more encouraged than private shows because privates don't help your rank at all, it kills it in fact. That's why when you go private the room is removed from public pages and put on a community controlled portion of the site. Which is why I charge what I do for it because when I come back I have to rebuild the entire viewership all over again. It's just a bit more complex on CB from what I can tell. Plus, every show public or private gets recorded and put on that stupid pirate website for all to see.
 
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With cb you can set it that no one is able to request a pvt.

You can also set it so that people can't spy on pvt. That's how one lady I follow was able to find someone that had uploaded her footage onto another site.

With top models it depends. Overall yeah they make far more in public then girls in further pages (although u could argue that's because most people don't look past the front page) but some make more on people spying on pvt. Just depends on what they do in public and save for pvt.

Vixen I think you r confused or I misunderstnd what u mean. When girl accepts pvt the account stays on the page it was on. So say if the girl was on the front page everyone can see that they are in pvt.
Girls only go further down when people leave the room to look for other models (usually freeloaders). The private section on cb page is just advertising for voyeurs who want to spy on random pvts.
Oh and apologies I thought when u said 5 times more, that you were bragging.
 
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To the second, in less than a week, we had three posts on here about private shows not recording properly. Those members asked for a refund and got it. So they're losing money either way. I get what you're saying and I think we're saying kind of the same thing but in different ways. We're allowed to set minimum times and if a viewer leaves before that time is up, as long as the model doesn't end the private we keep taking their tokens until the minimum time is up. I don't think anyone on here has posted about that and said they were able to get a refund but I've never looked, either. But I can see where no one would want to go private after that happens. For Chaturbate, public play is always more encouraged than private shows because privates don't help your rank at all, it kills it in fact. That's why when you go private the room is removed from public pages and put on a community controlled portion of the site. Which is why I charge what I do for it because when I come back I have to rebuild the entire viewership all over again. It's just a bit more complex on CB from what I can tell. Plus, every show public or private gets recorded and put on that stupid pirate website for all to see.

With the private show recording/refund issue, I'd assume that it'd be more lucrative for CB to fix the issue and get recordings to work again rather than trying to lower the amount of privates on the site. Because, privates are still going to happen no matter what, and I have a feeling there's some members who are probably gaming the system and taking advantage of the recording issue by complaining to support about not getting a recording so they can get the full refund and essentially a free private show.

I would hope that they wouldn't give refunds for someone leaving a private show early when there was a minimum time. Do members get a message or notification about the minimum time before they start the private? If so, they knew what they were signing up for and if they leave earlier than the minimum time, that's on them imo.

I didn't know that private shows hurt your ranking/placing on CB. The algorithm on CB is just confusing to me, it seems like there's a ton of factors that goes into it. I like how much more simple MFC's algorithm/camscore is. Amount of tokens made to amount of time spent online. So like, if you take an hour long private there (I'm sure the average private time for most models is way lower than that, just using that as an example since an hour was my typical time spent in private with a member) you're automatically making 3,600 tokens for a regular private (not including possible tokens from spies) or 4,800 tokens for a true private, excluding any tips made during it. If that's your average hourly token amount, your camscore will be relatively high (definitely well above 1000), at least to where you're higher up on the first page. But, it's been a hot minute since I last cammed on MFC, and I think that the algorithm, or rather what your average hourly token amount has to be, might have changed a little bit.
 
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With cb you can set it that no one is able to request a pvt.

You can also set it so that people can't spy on pvt. That's how one lady I follow was able to find someone that had uploaded her footage onto another site.

With top models it depends. Overall yeah they make far more in public then girls in further pages (although u could argue that's because most people don't look past the front page) but some make more on people spying on pvt. Just depends on what they do in public and save for pvt.

Vixen I think you r confused or I misunderstnd what u mean. When girl accepts pvt the account stays on the page it was on. So say if the girl was on the front page everyone can see that they are in pvt.
Girls only go further down when people leave the room to look for other models (usually freeloaders). The private section on cb page is just advertising for voyeurs who want to spy on random pvts.
Oh and apologies I thought when u said 5 times more, that you were bragging.
I was bragging. And wow I dare you to find any of the models on this page:

That are on this page:

I mean you could really just stop. It removes the cam from any page but the one linked above. You can just admit you don't know things. It's okay.
 
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I was bragging. And wow I dare you to find any of the models on this page:

That are on this page:

I mean you could really just stop. It removes the cam from any page but the one linked above. You can just admit you don't know things. It's okay.
Erm I don't know what fighting about either. Got to page 2 and saw girl that had pvt tagged, cant be fucked to see if she was also in pvt section as well.
And ok I take back apology and also hope you realise you are in the minority if you can earn $750 an hour in pvt on cb. Wtf do you charge to be able to make that much?

Oh and yeah when you click on pvt request you do get a warning telling you how much per min, minimum amount of minutes and wheather or not the broadcaster gives automatic recording of private.
 
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Erm I don't know what fighting about either. Got to page 2 and saw girl that had pvt tagged, cant be fucked to see if she was also in pvt section as well.
And ok I take back apology and also hope you realise you are in the minority if you can earn $750 an hour in pvt on cb. Wtf do you charge to be able to make that much?

Oh and yeah when you click on pvt request you do get a warning telling you how much per min, minimum amount of minutes and wheather or not the broadcaster gives automatic recording of private.
Fuck you
 
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Do members get a message or notification about the minimum time before they start the private? If so, they knew what they were signing up for and if they leave earlier than the minimum time, that's on them imo.
Yes, members are informed of the rate, whether recording is enabled, and the minimum length. It has been awhile, and I've only left a private early once, but I believe they also get a warning if they leave a private before the minimum time has elapsed.

English is not my first language so I really do not understand on whatever is being fought about now.
That's ok, I'm a native English speaker and I don't either. 😂🤷‍♂️
 
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Survival sex work is different than just working to survive/pay the bills at a regular vanilla job. Survival sex work is when someone is unable to work/make money to survive by more socially acceptable avenues. Whether it's because of chronic illnesses/disabilities, socioeconomic issues, etc. People who do survival sex work are doing so out of extreme need and desperation, and may not have chosen to do sex work if they had other options. It's usually that they have to chose either being homeless/going hungry or doing sex work.

It certainly doesn't make anyone less than people working other more vanilla jobs or people who are doing sex work not out of dire necessity. However, there's a lot of people (even consumers, which you pointed out) that do devalue anyone who does sex work and there's still the stigma that comes with being a sex worker, which can be harder to swallow when you didn't have any other options other than doing sex work.

I'm sure you and a lot of people here already know this, but wanted to clearly say all that to make my next point.

I gotta disagree slightly here. I think the societal view of sex work is wrong. But I don't think there is much difference between having to choose between sex work and homelessness, or temp labor and homelessness or the military and homelessness. That's just me. I grew up with sex work fairly normalized and have had to make each choice at different times. So long as in all cases consent is freely given (save for the compulsory nature of survival within capitalism, lol).

Everything else you said, I 1000% agree with, I just think some people are assuming an exploitative nature based solely on the per minute price of the private.
 
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When girl accepts pvt the account stays on the page it was on. So say if the girl was on the front page everyone can see that they are in pvt.
Girls only go further down when people leave the room to look for other models (usually freeloaders).
While you are technically correct that the page does stay in the same spot until the members leave, it's pretty much a given that members will leave so....
I would hope that they wouldn't give refunds for someone leaving a private show early when there was a minimum time. Do members get a message or notification about the minimum time before they start the private? If so, they knew what they were signing up for and if they leave earlier than the minimum time, that's on them imo.
They don't give refunds for that, and yeah when you initiate a private you get a message indicating the minimum time. If the model has a set minimum time they will continue to receive tokens for that amount of time regardless of if the user is in the room or not.
 
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I gotta disagree slightly here. I think the societal view of sex work is wrong. But I don't think there is much difference between having to choose between sex work and homelessness, or temp labor and homelessness or the military and homelessness. That's just me. I grew up with sex work fairly normalized and have had to make each choice at different times. So long as in all cases consent is freely given (save for the compulsory nature of survival within capitalism, lol).

I also think that the societal view of sex work is wrong/messed up, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of society looks down on sex workers and former sex workers. Having to choose between sex work and homelessness or temp labor and homelessness or the military or homelessness isn't really comparable, in my opinion.

There's no stigma surrounding temp labor or being in the military like there is with sex work. Once you've done online sex work, you will always run the risk of it messing up your life in the future. Being unemployable if your prospective employers find your content online. Getting fired if it's found out after you've been hired and your job has a morality clause. It can destroy relationships with family, friends and romantic partners if they're against sex work. You have to worry about being blackmailed in various ways. If you're going through a child custody battle, your partner can use your former sex worker status to sway a judge in their favor. That's just some examples. You don't face those same issues when doing temp work or the military. In fact, either of those can actually enhance your future prospects. I won't argue that joining the military doesn't come with inherent risks, it does, but those risks are very different than doing sex work with a potentially much better future payoff.

Plus, some people may not even have the option to work at a temp job or enlist in the military. Temp jobs may not be available in their region, and the military can be pretty strict with who they allow to enlist.
 
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I also think that the societal view of sex work is wrong/messed up, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of society looks down on sex workers and former sex workers. Having to choose between sex work and homelessness or temp labor and homelessness or the military or homelessness isn't really comparable, in my opinion.

There's no stigma surrounding temp labor or being in the military like there is with sex work. Once you've done online sex work, you will always run the risk of it messing up your life in the future. Being unemployable if your prospective employers find your content online. Getting fired if it's found out after you've been hired and your job has a morality clause. It can destroy relationships with family, friends and romantic partners if they're against sex work. You have to worry about being blackmailed in various ways. If you're going through a child custody battle, your partner can use your former sex worker status to sway a judge in their favor. That's just some examples. You don't face those same issues when doing temp work or the military. In fact, either of those can actually enhance your future prospects. I won't argue that joining the military doesn't come with inherent risks, it does, but those risks are very different than doing sex work with a potentially much better future payoff.

Plus, some people may not even have the option to work at a temp job or enlist in the military. Temp jobs may not be available in their region, and the military can be pretty strict with who they allow to enlist.

Different labors have different costs. I don't think societal costs are necessarily worse than physical health costs, the cost of your freedom or morality, mental health costs, etc. etc... But I respect your right to believe so. I don't think we're either right or wrong inasmuch as having different legitimate values based in different life experiences.
 
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