Warning to MFC premium members

[Bocefish]

Admittedly, I didn't read most of the recent posts regarding privacy.

That said, if there is ANY sort of safety issue involved, it's NOT as if MFC members have doctor/patient confidentiality.

Everything is archived so there is zero doubt about what's transpired and it's not going to be a he said, she said, type of thing.

MFC has a duty to ensure their employee's safety, and rightly so.

Bottom line is don't be a douchebag troll stalker and you won't have anything to worry about.

 

[Tilly]

Perhaps the optimal solution in this sort of case, that balances privacy and security, would be for mfc to directly provide the relevant law enforcement agency with the member's personal information, and not provide it directly to the model to do with as they please. Of course, given the abysmal record of law enforcement in dealing with threats posted on the internet, I'm skeptical that this approach would do much of substance to improve the model's security situation.

not just their abysmal record of threats via internet but the statistics where a woman has reported being stalked/harassed and them doing nothing about it until it's too late...
giving a first and last name of someone who's threatening a model's safety is an infringement of privacy? They are simply helping make it easier to eliminate that person from her life and get on with things... that's how it worked for me. I didn't go use it for blackmail. In any other establishment, including online transactions as well as those in real life, you'd be giving that information up to be a customer anyway. It's like some of you are going, "Wow, my name? How could they?!" Dude... it's your name, not your SSN. Don't be a fucking psycho dick to camgirls and you will never have to worry about it.

 

[FightingSpirit]

I wouldn't believe the information the girls here are providing. It is pointless for mfc to give out credit card info when gift cards and stolen cards are so common. Here, have a random name. Makes no sense and doesn't make the camgirl any safer. Police won't be interested in a potential wild goose chase.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I find it concerning when members are more offended by MFC complying by their own privacy policy, which every member was given upon registration, than they are members going out of their way to threaten model's physical well-being.

Seriously, guys.

And about getting law enforcement involved...I wish I lived in a world where I could be at all confident that my law enforcement would protect me in the event of extreme harassment/stalking/threats towards my physical safety. That must be nice.

 

[Diana Blake]

They give our the information I these cases because they have to.

There are OSHA guidelines that they have to comply with or they can have their asses handed to them in a court of law.

While the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has not outlined any specific standards for workplace violence, employers do have obligations under OSHA which may be relevant. Under the General Duty Clause of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, every employer “shall furnish to each of his employees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees.”

In the case of workplace violence, an employer could be liable under OSHA if a victim or victim’s family can prove that the employer knew or should have known that violence could occur. Under OSHA, an employer may also be penalized if the U.S. Secretary of Labor establishes that the employer violated the General Duty Clause. In order to establish a violation, the Department of Labor must prove a hazard existed, the employer or its industry knew the hazard existed, the hazard was likely to cause death or serious bodily harm, and a feasible abatement method existed.

For the sake of argument, NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) defines workplace violence as “any physical assault, threatening behavior, or verbal abuse occurring in the work setting.”

They are required by law to do something and since contacting law enforcement is actually really difficult for an online company and requires a ridiculous amount of paper work/man power (not to mention that most law enforcement requires that the person being threatened actually be the one to file the complaint except in cases of minors) the easiest method is releasing the name to the model. The other option is training all their support personnel in the ins and outs of each and every county/state/province/etc. laws and procedures for every area a model works from worldwide and since MFC support has trouble even replying to most messages coherently I doubt it would be feasible.

 

[floppydisco]

Don't be an idiot like me.

After over 8 years on MFC, and thousands of dollars spent, I managed to get myself permanently banned from the website.

I broke some zero-tolerance rules, and without warning I got a message telling me I have been banned from MyFreeCams when I try to log-in.

It sucks, but I have no one to blame but myself. I was posting some rather disgusting emotes (gifs) in the Lounge 1000. And pissing a lot of people off in the process.

Unfortunately I had been drinking, but still that's no excuse.

I really miss MFC, so please be careful. They will and do enforce their rules to the fullest.

Look for a proxy.

I get banned all the time.

Right now I'm using privateinternetaccess.com to bypass MFC bans.

I wish MFC would ban models that break zero tolerance like sleeping on cam and having guys on cam.

Anyway good luck with using a VPN to bypass MFC ban

 

[floppydisco]

I find it concerning when members are more offended by MFC complying by their own privacy policy, which every member was given upon registration, than they are members going out of their way to threaten model's physical well-being.

Seriously, guys.

And about getting law enforcement involved...I wish I lived in a world where I could be at all confident that my law enforcement would protect me in the event of extreme harassment/stalking/threats towards my physical safety. That must be nice.

It's more alarming that being a platinum member and lounge10000 member to see MFC enforce their zero tolerance policy against paying customers but never against cam girls.

I've personally sent screen grabs etc and still see models there without MFC doing a thing.

The double standard is rodiculous

 

[Sevrin]

It's more alarming that being a platinum member and lounge10000 member to see MFC enforce their zero tolerance policy against paying customers but never against cam girls.

It really isn't more alarming. Are you really equating sleeping on camera with repeatedly posting pictures of shit porn in order to provoke the disgust of models and other members or threatening a model's safety? What's more, my guess is more paying members would avoid cam sites because of threatening or obscene by other members than seeing some model catching some Zs, or even giving her BF a BJ on cam.

MFC doesn't specify on their wiki which of the offences by models constitute "zero tolerance" offences and which don't. What's more MFC is where models make a living. For pervs, it's just a place where they spend money for entertainment. Pervs can just go get their rocks off any old place on the internet. The stakes for models are much greater. Models can't just move along without risking a drop in income.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I get banned all the time.

That's redonkulus.

What do you get banned for?

 

[fandango]

Did Punk manage to evade Ambers net again?

 

[floppydisco]

That's redonkulus.

What do you get banned for?

Reporting Models that scammed for tokens or passed out on cam and support doesn't do shit so i spam support with emails until I see I can't log into that account.

I have 2 accounts. My main premium with my token score and my safety account I use until I get a model that wants to do a show.

MFC is actually very quick to ban members versus models.

That double standard is retarded.

 

[floppydisco]

It really isn't more alarming. Are you really equating sleeping on camera with repeatedly posting pictures of shit porn in order to provoke the disgust of models and other members or threatening a model's safety? What's more, my guess is more paying members would avoid cam sites because of threatening or obscene by other members than seeing some model catching some Zs, or even giving her BF a BJ on cam.

MFC doesn't specify on their wiki which of the offences by models constitute "zero tolerance" offences and which don't. What's more MFC is where models make a living. For pervs, it's just a place where they spend money for entertainment. Pervs can just go get their rocks off any old place on the internet. The stakes for models are much greater. Models can't just move along without risking a drop in income.

Hopefully you're not a model on MFC since you have no idea what the rules are...

Anyway that was a disgusting attempt at a troll

However educate yourself here by reading the second paragraph that explicitly mentions the zero tolerance policies for models.

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Rules_for_Models

I'm more upset by the people I pay who pass out or ignore rooms because they're talking to their boyfriends in the same room.

If you can't handle dick pix then you might not be over 18 and that's a different issue

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I'm more upset by the people I pay who pass out or ignore rooms because they're talking to their boyfriends in the same room.

Why in the world do you pay models who do that?

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

Anyway that was a disgusting attempt at a troll

I don't think you know what a troll is.

 

[Sevrin]

However educate yourself here by reading the second paragraph that explicitly mentions the zero tolerance policies for models.

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Rules_for_Models

Most of them constitute Zero-Tolerance violations which means you will be banned the first time it happens.

So which ones? I thirst for education!

 

[Nordling]

If you can't handle dick pix then you might not be over 18 and that's a different issue

The issue isn't about being able to "handle dick pix" (heh heh odd way of wording it), It's about simply disliking having dicks thrown in our faces by adults with 8 year old mentalities.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Spoiler: obligatory

 

[JoleneBrody]

I've seen a ton of models banned for man on cam, and a ton of troll members never get even a slap on the wrist... Still trolling to this day on the same account as 5 years ago.


So grass is always greener, stop obsessing about it and just go enjoy life.

 

[Zoomer]

Erm, I don't know much about Data Protection laws in the US - though they're reasonably standard world wide (at least in what we consider first world nations).
Most places, if a company starts handing out personal details (how do MFC have a members name anyway?) then they're breaking data protection laws by doing so.

But I'd still wonder how on earth MFC has a members real name anyway, there's no place on the site to enter such information.

But maybe the US is different.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

But I'd still wonder how on earth MFC has a members real name anyway, there's no place on the site to enter such information.

Support flat out asked me for mine.

 

[Sevrin]

Erm, I don't know much about Data Protection laws in the US - though they're reasonably standard world wide (at least in what we consider first world nations).
Most places, if a company starts handing out personal details (how do MFC have a members name anyway?) then they're breaking data protection laws by doing so.

But I'd still wonder how on earth MFC has a members real name anyway, there's no place on the site to enter such information.

But maybe the US is different.

You may be interested in CCBill's Consumer Privacy Policy. I didn't check the other payment processors' sites, but I'd imagine they contain pretty much the same language.

Consumer Privacy Policy

In order to provide Internet billing services, CCBill must collect, use, and share certain information about you. This policy explains what we collect, who we share it with, and how you can contact CCBill in order to ensure the accuracy of the data we collect, use, and share. The information CCBill collects from you helps CCBill better serve you and the online community by continually updating the electronic payment services CCBill provides. The data that CCBill collects and maintains is as follows:

Information That You Provide To Us
CCBill receives and stores all information that you enter on our sign-up (join) pages except for security items such as Visa's CVV2. This includes:

1. Credit Card Sign-Up Page for Digital Products. The Web site you are purchasing an e-ticket for, your e-mail address, language preference, credit card number, expiration date, first name, last name, address, city, state, zip, country, your username and password, and your agreement to be bound by CCBill 's Terms and Conditions.
2. Check Sign-Up Page. The Web site you are purchasing an e-ticket for, your e-mail address, language preference, first name, last name, address, city, state, zip, country, your bank's ABA routing number, your account number, the type of account, your username and password, and your agreement to be bound by CCBill 's Terms and Conditions.

Information You Provide To Us That We Share With Our Clients
CCBill receives, stores, and forwards to our client all information necessary for our client to ship your product to you, and to contact you if necessary. We do not forward credit card number information including items such as Visa's CVV2.

1. Credit Card sign up page Tangible products. The Web site you are purchasing a tangible, and shipable product from, your primary phone number, your e-mail address, language preference, first name, last name, shipping address, city, state, zip, country, your username and password, and your agreement to be bound by CCBill's Terms and Conditions.

Information That We Automatically Receive
CCBill receives and stores certain information whenever you download Web pages, purchase products or send us e-mail or forms. For example:

1. We identify the numerical IP address assigned to your computer by your Internet Service Provider.
2. E-mail Correspondence. CCBill often requests a confirmation when you receive and open an e-mail communication delivered by CCBill. We archive all e-mail sent in and out of our network, and we identify the origination IP address of all mail sent into our network. We require that you refrain from "forging headers" or sending "SPAM".

Information From Third Parties
From time to time, CCBill may request and receive information from third parties and compare it to the information that you have provided. The main purpose for this is loss prevention.

Protection Of Your Privacy
CCBill will release data when we believe the release is appropriate to comply with the law, enforce our Agreement, and protect the contract rights of our Clients.CBill passes the following data to the owner/operator of the Web site from which you are purchasing services, or products utilizing CCBill's services:

1. Credit card sign-up page information including the Web site you are purchasing an e-ticket or tangible Product for, your primary phone number, your e-mail address, language preference, first name, last name, address, city, state, zip, country, your username and password, and your agreement to be bound by CCBill 's terms and conditions.
2. Check sign-up page information including the Web site you are purchasing an e-ticket for, your phone number, your e-mail address, language preference, first name, last name, address, city, state, zip, country, your username and password, and your agreement to be bound by CCBill's terms and conditions. CCBill does not currently accept online checks for the purchase of tangible goods.

It is your obligation to provide CCBill with accurate and up-to-date information, and failure to provide us with such information could void any Agreement between you and CCBill. We use the information that you provide for such purposes as processing your e-ticket request or tangible products purchase, responding to customer service inquiries, loss prevention, improving our service, communicating with you, and allowing our clients to provide customer service and fulfill their obligations to you. CCBill's employees have access to your information on a need-to-know basis. CCBill will not sell your information to an independent third party for any reason. CCBill's clients utilize your information to make and track order fulfillment and provide customer service.

In addition, CCBill, as part of the credit card processing system must provide limited information to the services that connect it to the companies that perform the banking functions. The credit card associations have strict privacy rules that these companies must adhere to in order to be authorized to receive and process credit card transactions. CCBill will never knowingly provide your credit card or bank account information outside of this system.

CCBill employs the latest and best techniques available for protecting its systems from intrusion by unauthorized individuals, and is constantly upgrading its security as better methods become available. All information is stored behind firewalls and other sophisticated security systems. In addition, our data center utilizes state-of-the-art physical security measures to prevent unauthorized access to the facility.

CCBill does not request, or knowingly collect identifiable information from children under the age of 18. CCBill does not knowingly use or share personal information from users under the age of 18 with third parties. CCBill does not offer children any promotions involving games, prizes, or any other activity that would induce a child to divulge personal information.

CCBill reserves the right to change, modify or amend this policy at any time. CCBill takes privacy matters very seriously, and intends to stay at the forefront of privacy policy and protection matters. We will occasionally update our privacy policy and we will post those updates on this page. You are responsible for revisiting this page to review our privacy policy updates.

Questions regarding the information CCBill has stored about you should be in writing, and addressed to:

CCBill, LLC.
2353 West University Drive
Tempe, AZ, USA 85281-7223
Telephone: 1.480.449.7751
Fax: 1.480.449.8801

CCBill EU, LTD.
First Floor,
CC Buildings
Palm Street,
Paola PLA 1411, Malta
Telephone: 1.888.596.9279

The part about "CCBill will release data when we believe the release is appropriate to comply with the law, enforce our Agreement, and protect the contract rights of our Clients.CBill passes the following data to the owner/operator of the Web site from which you are purchasing services, or products utilizing CCBill's services" can mean pretty much anything.

 

[facialover]

Erm, I don't know much about Data Protection laws in the US - though they're reasonably standard world wide (at least in what we consider first world nations).
Most places, if a company starts handing out personal details (how do MFC have a members name anyway?) then they're breaking data protection laws by doing so.

But I'd still wonder how on earth MFC has a members real name anyway, there's no place on the site to enter such information.

But maybe the US is different.

Well, certainly for people who have tipped, they will often have a full name and billing zipcode at least, if not address, for people who use credit/debit cards instead of slightly more anonymous forms of payment.

 

[da_vinci__]

lolz @ this. I know this is untrue because if a model is being harassed by a member like I have been, model support has no issue telling you any other usernames/accounts he has on the site. In some extreme cases I have even been told the user's real name.

lolz@this too.
my ex was a studio admin and model, i had the password of the studio account back in the time. I saw the history conversation of her and the MFC admin "can u pls tell me all his account names ?" -> "im not supposed to tell u but this and this are his account names."
edit : it were only the ones registered by my mail email adress, the one with another fake one NEVER got mentioned

 

[Mila_]

lolz@this too.
my ex was a studio admin and model, i had the password of the studio account back in the time. I saw the history conversation of her and the MFC admin "can u pls tell me all his account names ?" -> "im not supposed to tell u but this and this are his account names."
edit : it were only the ones registered by my mail email adress, the one with another fake one NEVER got mentioned

This story should be x posted to /r/thathappened

 

[da_vinci__]

This story should be x posted to /r/thathappened

Not going there, too many smartasses like you around

 

[Sevrin]

lolz@this too.
my ex was a studio admin and model, i had the password of the studio account back in the time. I saw the history conversation of her and the MFC admin "can u pls tell me all his account names ?" -> "im not supposed to tell u but this and this are his account names."
edit : it were only the ones registered by my mail email adress, the one with another fake one NEVER got mentioned

Account names are one thing. RL names are something else.

 

[LTlurkerFTposter]

They give our the information I these cases because they have to.

There are OSHA guidelines that they have to comply with or they can have their asses handed to them in a court of law.

While the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has not outlined any specific standards for workplace violence, employers do have obligations under OSHA which may be relevant. Under the General Duty Clause of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, every employer “shall furnish to each of his employees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees.”

In the case of workplace violence, an employer could be liable under OSHA if a victim or victim’s family can prove that the employer knew or should have known that violence could occur. Under OSHA, an employer may also be penalized if the U.S. Secretary of Labor establishes that the employer violated the General Duty Clause. In order to establish a violation, the Department of Labor must prove a hazard existed, the employer or its industry knew the hazard existed, the hazard was likely to cause death or serious bodily harm, and a feasible abatement method existed.

For the sake of argument, NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) defines workplace violence as “any physical assault, threatening behavior, or verbal abuse occurring in the work setting.”

They are required by law to do something and since contacting law enforcement is actually really difficult for an online company and requires a ridiculous amount of paper work/man power (not to mention that most law enforcement requires that the person being threatened actually be the one to file the complaint except in cases of minors) the easiest method is releasing the name to the model. The other option is training all their support personnel in the ins and outs of each and every county/state/province/etc. laws and procedures for every area a model works from worldwide and since MFC support has trouble even replying to most messages coherently I doubt it would be feasible.

Thanks Diana, that's very helpful information, and exactly the sort of thoughtful response that I was looking for that might help me understand why mfc might be giving member's real names to models, as opposed to law enforcement. I appreciate it!

I suppose one could wonder whether mfc models are even protected by OSHA though, since there may be some question as to whether cammodels count as employees of mfc, as opposed to self-employed independent contractors (who aren't covered). The Covered Employees section of osha.gov (www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/faqs/1904_31_preamble.html) makes a distinction between employees and self-employed independent contractors, and states that self-employed independent contractors aren't covered by OSHA. Elsewhere on the site the "independent contractor" phrase is dropped and it is clearly stated that self-employed workers aren't covered by OSHA.

I'm not raising this to start an argument. Far from it. I'm just genuinely curious as to whether mfc cammodels are covered by OSHA. My personal view is that I certainly hope that they are afforded all of the protections provided by OSHA, and if they aren't then they should be afforded those protections. But it's not clear to me that they are. I always thought that mfc models were considered self-employed. Perhaps someone who knows more about the details of the business relationship between cammodels and mfc can weigh in.

 

[WickedTouch]

Models are independent contractors according to the MFC wiki... http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Employment_and_Tax_Information#Employment_status_of_models

 

[LTlurkerFTposter]

Models are independent contractors according to the MFC wiki... http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Employment_and_Tax_Information#Employment_status_of_models

Thanks, WickedTouch!

That being the case, then maybe OHSA doesn't apply in the case of the business relationship between cammodels and mfc. That's very worrying, since if that's correct, that may mean that models have far fewer protections under law than "ordinary" employees, especially when it comes to any legal obligations that mfc may have to provide models with a safe work environment.

 

[Mila_]

Thanks, WickedTouch!

That being the case, then maybe OHSA doesn't apply in the case of the business relationship between cammodels and mfc. That's very worrying, since if that's correct, that may mean that models have far fewer protections under law than "ordinary" employees, especially when it comes to any legal obligations that mfc may have to provide models with a safe work environment.

I really don't understand what your problem is. Law and morality don't always go hand in hand.

The fact that MFC cares about the safety of its models beyond what is required by law is a good thing.

Perhaps you have a personal interest here considering this is the only thread you post in and you dont seem to drop this. Have you threatened to a model or something?