VR and Privates

[Chrisfrea]

Is there a reason why Stripchat only offers "Excluisve" Private in VR?
Dreamcam / Sex Like Real have an option between normal and Exclusive Private.

The issue here is that i am not able to benefit from the Microphone option in Exclusive (various reasons) and do not care for Spies. Exclusive often offers more Services from the Model (E.g. Anal ) but again not interested in these.
I Essentially pay for a premium Service i will never use.

Is it just not possible or is Stripchat just against it?

Hope to hear from you.

 

[Ozzie_]

Is there a reason why Stripchat only offers "Excluisve" Private in VR?
Dreamcam / Sex Like Real have an option between normal and Exclusive Private.

Do you mean why SC does NOT offer exclusive private in VR? I have never explored the Private show "landscape" in VR

The issue here is that i am not able to benefit from the Microphone option in Exclusive (various reasons) and do not care for Spies.

I am still confused, If it is exclusive, there are no spies. Or did you mean to say that you do not care if there are spies?
"I do not care for spies" means you do not like (or want) spies.

Exclusive often offers more Services from the Model (E.g. Anal ) but again not interested in these.
I Essentially pay for a premium Service i will never use.

How are you paying for a "premium" that you will never use? VR Models can price their VR private shows separately to either normal or exclusive 2D private shows. For example, my friend prices her VR private shows much higher than either normal or exclusive 2D privates. So you may well just be paying a "premium" for VR itself.

As a side note, you may not be aware, and you may not care, but VR models are actually charged a premium by SC for broadcasting in VR. So for models to try to recoup some of that for private shows seems entirely reasonable to me.

 

[Chrisfrea]

Do you mean why SC does NOT offer exclusive private in VR? I have never explored the Private show "landscape" in VR


I am still confused, If it is exclusive, there are no spies. Or did you mean to say that you do not care if there are spies?
"I do not care for spies" means you do not like (or want) spies.



How are you paying for a "premium" that you will never use? VR Models can price their VR private shows separately to either normal or exclusive 2D private shows. For example, my friend prices her VR private shows much higher than either normal or exclusive 2D privates. So you may well just be paying a "premium" for VR itself.

As a side note, you may not be aware, and you may not care, but VR models are actually charged a premium by SC for broadcasting in VR. So for models to try to recoup some of that for private shows seems entirely reasonable to me.

I am truly confused here Ozzzie. How did you get everything so wrong? Did i write in a confusing way?. Maybe a couple of things you do not understand since you never used VR?

1: In 2d, you have option between Normal and Exclusive Privates. In VR only Exclusive.

2: "I do not care for spies". Meaning I do not mind getting spied on.

3: Exclusive Private lets you use a microphone, Normal not. I can not use a microphone = i pay for an option i do not use.

 

[AmberCutie]

2: "I do not care for spies". Meaning I do not mind getting spied on.

"I do not care about spies" would be the better wording to convey what you meant.

 

[Ozzie_]

I am truly confused here Ozzzie. How did you get everything so wrong?

Back at you.....

Did i write in a confusing way?.

Yes you did!

Maybe a couple of things you do not understand since you never used VR?

I use VR every time I am on SC (just not for private shows).

1: In 2d, you have option between Normal and Exclusive Privates. In VR only Exclusive.

That is interesting, I was unaware of whether it was normal or exclusive. I know that in VR you can spy on other privates and see them in VR.

2: "I do not care for spies". Meaning I do not mind getting spied on.

Which as I pointed out, in English actually means the opposite of what you say you mean.

3: Exclusive Private lets you use a microphone, Normal not. I can not use a microphone = i pay for an option i do not use.

Fair enough. But as I said, and you seem to have ignored, you are most likely paying for the "premium" of having a VR private. The model or her studio choose the pricing for VR Private which can be different to normal or exclusive.

 

[Chrisfrea]

Fair enough. But as I said, and you seem to have ignored, you are most likely paying for the "premium" of having a VR private. The model or her studio choose the pricing for VR Private which can be different to normal or exclusive.

There are other VR Cam Sites like "Dramcam" and "Sex like Real". There you have the option between Normal and Exclusive Privates. On Sex Like Real for example i choose "normal" and had no microphone access, only the text chat (which is what i want).
Normal Privates of course are a bit cheaper than Exclusives.

Yes the Model/Studio chooses prices. That is not the issue. The issue is there is only 1 Private option instead of 2.

In Short:
SEX like Real / Dramcam have "normal" Privates in VR. Why does Stripchat not have them?

 

[Charlie_SC]

Hey @Chrisfrea

It's not that we are against regular private shows.
I guess the whole point of VR Exclusive Privates is more intimate interaction and face-to-face communication without the difficulty/challenges that come with typing/chatting at the same time.

But, your feedback is always appreciated, and I will pass on your thoughts to the VR team.

 

[Chrisfrea]

Hey @Chrisfrea

It's not that we are against regular private shows.
I guess the whole point of VR Exclusive Privates is more intimate interaction and face-to-face communication without the difficulty/challenges that come with typing/chatting at the same time.

But, your feedback is always appreciated, and I will pass on your thoughts to the VR team.

I was suspecting that the Tech Team saw no reason to implement Text only Privates since VR should be as immsersive as possible (talking to the Model via Mic).

However it is always nice to have options to suite the individual.

Thank you for forwarding my Feedback.

 

[Charlie_SC]

Thanks @Chrisfrea

I'm sure you all have heard me say this many times before..
I don't care if you are for or against any feature/topic, I still want to hear your thoughts and opinions.
All feedback matters and gives us different perspectives, maybe a point of view we haven't yet considered.

So, I will always welcome all constructive criticism, new ideas, and out-of-the-box discussions from all ACF members, and I thank you all in advance.

 

[Orange]

@Charlie_SC +1 vote for giving VR users the option of non-exclusive privates at a lower price, people can decide if they want privacy

Stripchat VR privates are often double the cost or more than on Dreamcam or SLR which means a lot of performers are out of price range instantly while on SC VR but are affordable on Dreamcam or SLR

The VR private recording feature on SC is a great idea but often fails to record the show, 2/6 privates failed for me within the past week "processing failed" but the 2D versions recorded fine

Not very good value using VR on SC these days. Once SLR gets private VR recordings expect a lot of VR customers to jump ship

 

[Ozzie_]

Stripchat VR privates are often double the cost or more than on Dreamcam or SLR which means a lot of performers are out of price range instantly while on SC VR but are affordable on Dreamcam or SLR

This makes no sesne to bring up here. SC does not control the prices charged for VR private shows. Just like regular 2D shows, it is the model and/or their studio who sets the rate for a private show. If a model is more affordable on another platform, that is a choice SC has no input into. I have seen models with VR private rates as low as 44 tokens per minute and as high as 200

The VR private recording feature on SC is a great idea but often fails to record the show, 2/6 privates failed for me within the past week "processing failed" but the 2D versions recorded fine

That is disappointing to hear. I have not had a VR private for other reasons, but was looking forward to a VR recording if/when I did.

 

[Orange]

This makes no sesne to bring up here. SC does not control the prices charged for VR private shows. Just like regular 2D shows, it is the model and/or their studio who sets the rate for a private show. If a model is more affordable on another platform, that is a choice SC has no input into. I have seen models with VR private rates as low as 44 tokens per minute and as high as 200

It is directly related to this thread

Models normally have exclusive priced higher than private and with SC forcing exclusive (with no private option), by default that means SC privates are more expensive than Dreamcam/SLR as they are in fact exclusive no?

I've compared a bunch of private/exclusive prices of the same model on the 3 different platforms, almost every single time SC is more expensive - often by a large margin

I can understand VR private being more expensive in general vs 2D private as AFAIK VR takes a cut of their earnings to cover the camera cost or something, but that's not relevant when comparing VR vs VR pricing

 

[Ozzie_]

It is directly related to this thread

Models normally have exclusive priced higher than private and with SC forcing exclusive (with no private option), by default that means SC privates are more expensive than Dreamcam/SLR as they are in fact exclusive no?

No it doesn’t by default mean that at all because, again I will say it, models and / or studios set the prices for private shows, not SC.

I've compared a bunch of private/exclusive prices of the same model on the 3 different platforms, almost every single time SC is more expensive - often by a large margin

That just sounds to me like models / studios making a business decision to charge what the different "markets"will bear . This a common (sensible) occurrence in all goods and service type businesses.

I can understand VR private being more expensive in general vs 2D private as AFAIK VR takes a cut of their earnings to cover the camera cost or something, but that's not relevant when comparing VR vs VR pricing

I agree it makes sense that VR private shows are more than normal, although I do not know the reason why SC (and I assume Dreamcams et al) charge models and extra premium for VR, as the models or studios, as far as I know, own the cameras themselves, they are not provided by SC. Having said that I must say that very few of the VR models I have observed actually have "high" rates for their VR private shows. The vast majority seem to be at 60 or less tokens per minute. This is NOT high at all.

 

[Orange]

No it doesn’t by default mean that at all because, again I will say it, models and / or studios set the prices for private shows, not SC.


That just sounds to me like models / studios making a business decision to charge what the different "markets"will bear . This a common (sensible) occurrence in all goods and service type businesses.




I agree it makes sense that VR private shows are more than normal, although I do not know the reason why SC (and I assume Dreamcams et al) charge models and extra premium for VR, as the models or studios, as far as I know, own the cameras themselves, they are not provided by SC. Having said that I must say that very few of the VR models I have observed actually have "high" rates for their VR private shows. The vast majority seem to be at 60 or less tokens per minute. This is NOT high at all.

60 tokens per minute is high when you consider those same models will charge 16 tokens per minute both on Dreamcam VR and 2D Stripchat. Some even charge 8 tokens 2D Stripchat so it's a massive price difference

Just so i'm clear, I don't have a problem with performers/studios charging 60 tokens per minute, my issue is Stripchat VR is charged excessively higher rates than both Dreamcam VR and also 2D private/exclusive for no discernable reason

If studios think VR users are rich, then why is Dreamcam cheaper? Often half the price or more

My thoughts are there must be a reason for Stripchat VR being priced the highest - having only exclusive mode on Stripchat is not enough of a reason considering exclusive on Dreamcam is almost always cheaper then Stripchat VR (exclusive) privates

So what can it be? Did Stripchat communicate a recommended price for VR privates? Did Dreamcam?

I can see more and more studios getting VR cameras but I can't see Stripchat VR getting as much use vs Dreamcam VR due to whacky pricing

 

[AmberCutie]

60 tokens per minute is high

MFC charges that as a standard rate for regular privates. No VR. Just to keep that in mind.

If studios think VR users are rich, then why is Dreamcam cheaper? Often half the price or more

Because Stripchat is a better known cam site, maybe? And VR is a higher quality offering at that higher ranked cam site. For people going to SC for cam shows, VR is a luxury commodity there. I'm guessing the other sites you mention focus on VR stuff or something(?) and are not as heavily trafficked by people just in the game for a regular ol' cam model show.

why is Dreamcam cheaper?

I'm just taking a stab, but probably because they're lesser known in the cam show world and need the edge of being "cheaper" to draw in people.

just spitballing stuff here.

 

[Vixxen81]

This is all so ridiculous. I charge 120 tokens per minute to take me private and you have to tip on top if you actually want me to do things.

 

[Orange]

MFC charges that as a standard rate for regular privates. No VR. Just to keep that in mind.


Because Stripchat is a better known cam site, maybe? And VR is a higher quality offering at that higher ranked cam site. For people going to SC for cam shows, VR is a luxury commodity there. I'm guessing the other sites you mention focus on VR stuff or something(?) and are not as heavily trafficked by people just in the game for a regular ol' cam model show.


I'm just taking a stab, but probably because they're lesser known in the cam show world and need the edge of being "cheaper" to draw in people.

just spitballing stuff here.

Yeah I understand 60 tokens might be considered cheap but the way VR cameras are being rolled out, it seems it's almost exclusively studios that are getting them and out of hundreds of VR streamers, I have only seen one native English speaker. The VR streamers are most often Russian, Colombian or other lower cost of living countries, so as you can imagine the private prices are naturally less than USA streamers

But anyway, it's not the actual number that I am querying about, it's more the difference in prices between 2D, VR and non-SC cam sites

I had a look at 10 random VR streamers (not cherry-picked) and fed the data into chatGPT to make a table and to set the lowest price private in each row as 1 for a baseline, and then the other numbers are multiples of it

E.g. 30 tokens = 1, 60 tokens = 2, 45 tokens = 1.5

SC = Stripchat - 2D and VR platform. VR only offers exclusive and no spy-private
DC = Dreamcam - 2D and VR platform. Interestingly they charge the same for VR and 2D
SLR = Sexlikereal - VR only platform

Most expensive number in each row is highlighted red - Every single time SC VR is the most expensive. Sometimes sharing with 1 or 2 other entries

Name	SC 2D PRV	SC 2D EXL	SC VR PRV	DC PRV	DC EXL	SLR PRV	SLR EXL
Sample_1	1	2	4	2	4	2	4
Sample_2	1	2	3	2	2	2	2
Sample_3	1	1.5	3.75	1	1.5	1	1.5
Sample_4	1	2	2.67	1.33	2.67	1.33	2.67
Sample_5	1	2	3	2	3	2	3
Sample_6	1.5	2	2.75	1	1.5	1	1.5
Sample_7	1	1.88	1.88	0.94	1.38
Sample_8	1	1.83	1.83	1.33	1.83	1.33	1.67
Sample_9	1	1.5	2	1.25	1.5
Sample_10	1	1.33	2.67	1.33	2.67	1.33	2.67

EDIT: Fixed GPT mistake

 

[Ozzie_]

Who knows why some are dearer on SC? To be honest it is a non-issue really. Your concern seems to be that models on SC are charging more than they are on Dreamcams (a VR only site) or as opposed to their 2D private shows on SC ( different offering so I would expect it to be priced differently) . As I said most likely they are charging more for VR on SC because they consider that they can get that pricing. If you do not like the price on SC, then take the models for a private show on a platform where they charge a rate that you like.

I did a straw poll the other night (no ChatGPT or tables from me I am sorry).

Out of a couple of dozen models all with the exception of 3 outliers (one charging only 8 tokens!! and one charging 90, another charging 120 ) were charging 24-60 tokens per minute (most in the 44-60 token per minute range). These are not outrageous prices at all.

I got into this thread because originally you seemed to be implying some sort of coercive or nefarious influence by SC and I felt a need to refute that ridiculous idea.

Now, if you are saying that your "issue" is that the same model / studio charges 2 different prices on two different platforms, I say "well get over it, that is life"; businesses set their own prices as they see fit. The models / studios are not random amateurs just making stuff up, if they did not think it was financially viable for them to charge what they charge on SC, they would not be charging that. For you to think you know their business needs better than they themselves do would be somewhat arrogant.

Also the information that many VR models are from countries perceived to be on a lower socio-economic level for cost of living, is not really important (or perhaps it is casually racist). Just because they live where they do does not mean that their shows should be charged at a lesser rate than any other model. It is the product on sale (the model and their shows) that counts as to the value, not country of origin.