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https://kotaku.com/streamers-hateful-rant-revives-debate-about-women-on-tw-1820418898

Last week, streamer Trainwreck got handed a five-day suspension by Twitch after a video went viral featuring an incendiary rant against women streamers, in which he called them things like “god damn sluts” and accused them of stealing views from those who he viewed as more deserving streamers. This poured gasoline on a fire that’s been slowly growing ever since Twitch’s non-gaming “IRL” section launched last year.

“This used to be a god damn community of gamers, nerds, kids that got bullied, kids that got fucked with, kids that resorted to the gaming world because the real world was too fucking hard, too shitty, too lonely, too sad and depressing,” Trainwreck said in a voice that landed somewhere between a seethe and a roar. As he saw it, IRL streaming made Twitch the domain of “the same sluts that rejected us, the same sluts that chose the god damn cool kids over us. The same sluts that are coming into our community, taking the money, taking the subs, the same way they did back in the day.”


Twitch’s enforcement of its rules is opaque. The company unilaterally refuses to comment on suspensions and bans, frequently leaving people in the dark as to why streamers get tossed in the digital slammer and, especially, the factors that contributed to the exact duration of their sentence. This lack of information leaves room for all sorts of wild speculation, as exemplified by an incident that happened in the immediate aftermath of Trainwreck’s suspension. As Polygon reports, a streamer named Nyakkj was recently caught masturbating on stream and received a brief 24-hour suspension. People were quick to compare this to Trainwreck’s lengthier suspension.


“It doesn’t make sense to me that you can ban somebody for a week for pointing out that Twitch allows girls to live out their cam girl fantasies,” said a YouTuber named Mannix in a video on the subject, “but the women actually acting out their cam girl fantasies don’t get banned, and if they do, it’s only for one day.”


Twitch tends to suspend streamers longer if they’ve previously received suspensions. Trainwreck got suspended more than a year ago for, he claims, “rating” women on his stream, which might explain his five days this time. Or maybe not. Given Twitch’s policy on talking about these things, it’s impossible to be sure.

Trainwreck, though, is hardly the first streamer to express this sentiment. If you spend time in communities of popular streamers like Ice Poseidon or in larger Twitch-oriented communities like /r/LivestreamFail, you’re bound to hear people echo similar ideas: Women are using sex appeal to get views and subs in ways that they (if not Twitch) deem to be in violation of the service’s rules, which prohibit “nudity and conduct involving overtly sexual behavior” as well as “any content or activity involving pornography, sexual intercourse, or adult services.”

In 2015, for example, streamer Sky Williams kicked a hornet’s nest when he argued that women who stream while wearing revealing clothing and hinge part of their drawing power on sex appeal are trading credibility for clicks and, in the process, hurting themselves and all women streamers.


At the time, a panel of prominent women streamers comprised of Kaceytron, Lolrenaynay, Dodger, and ShannonZKiller came together to take issue with Williams’ comments. Women are free to dress as they like, they pointed out, and are free to do whatever they want to get views as long as it’s within Twitch’s terms of service, just as men are free to yell a lot, marathon stream, dress up in costumes, or rely on any number of gimmicks for their streams.

This time around, in Chaos Year 2017, there’s one key difference: Twitch now has a section called “IRL,” which is dedicated to non-gaming-related pursuits. Some people use it to hang with their chat in between games, others use it for fitness content, and others use it to stream their whole day from their phone. What this means is that people are now free to stream on Twitch even if they’re not playing video games at all.

This brings things back around to Trainwreck’s rant, in which he put a new, hyper-aggressive spin on an ages-old idea: that spaces created for gamers are being co-opted by women who don’t care about games. The vulgarity, intensity, and rage underlying Trainwreck’s video helped it go viral, but his stark declaration that women who rejected gamers and gamer culture are now taking their viewership and colonizing their space is what made it resonate with the Angry Gamers of the world.

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Some say their anger is aimed at Twitch for expanding beyond games. “The fact that Twitch turns a cold shoulder to these girls making money off of showing their tits and ass is just a big pissoff,” reads a response to a thread about Trainwreck’s video on Ice Poseidon’s subreddit. “I remember when their credo used to be ‘Let’s keep it about the games.’”


Competitive game streamer and Twitch Partner program member AbusivePillow argued that it’s “not girl gamers” he has a problem with. “Twitch cam whores,” he tweeted. “I am very good friends with many girl streamers and girl gamers. Please get it right.”

“I am with him,” said an Affiliate (one step down from Partner) streamer, NickTheCanadian, in response to Trainwreck’s video. “Sorry women who support this kind of behavior, but you need to put some damn clothes on when you put yourself in front of a camera and dance and act slutty while children watch.”

A number of major streamers have been pushing back against these ideas. Longtimers like Jesse Cox and Ninja took aim at the idea that conventionally attractive women are somehow “stealing” viewers from dudes who stream games.


“If they’re in a streamer’s stream because she’s gorgeous,” said Ninja in the above video, “they’re there for that reason. So if she’s not there, they’re not gonna come to fuckin’ Joe Schmo, who sucks at a game or something. They’re not gonna come to your stream.”

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
But it was variety streamer LolRenaynay who got to the sobering heart of the matter.


“If all the titty streamers were gone tomorrow, does anyone really think shitty people would stop degrading and insulting women?” she wrote on Twitter. “Truth is, they’d just find another hoop for us to jump through.”

The trouble with attempting to draw a line between “good” and “bad” women streamers is that, again and again, you see this pattern: Any woman streaming on Twitch will eventually be accused of selling sex even if she’s dressed like an Amish farmhand.

“No matter what I fucking wear, there’s always a comment,” said streamer and voice actress ZombiUnicorn on Twitter. “There’s always someone calling me a titty streamer, fake gamer, or a whore.”


Speaking with Kotaku, ZombiUnicorn elaborated on that point, saying that she got barraged with bullshit on Twitch long before “titty streamer” entered the broader Twitch lexicon. “I’ve been on Twitch for five years,” she said over the phone, “and I’ve gotten this kind of stuff said to me directly in my chat since the very beginning.”

She explained that she used to wear big T-shirts and hoodies because she felt ashamed, but it never made a difference. People just kept commenting on her body. “”What am I supposed to do?” she asked. “Take my boobs off my body before I stream? Sorry, but I didn’t get that upgrade.” Eventually, she “grew thicker skin” and, as a proactive step, decided to start calling people out on stream for sexist comments before muting or banning them, to set an example and make sure people knew she wasn’t tacitly accepting what they said.


ZombiUnicorn added that while IRL has allowed new types of streamers to thrive on Twitch, it hasn’t had a negative impact on her stream. “As a woman who doesn’t do that, it doesn’t affect me,” she said. “I used to be on the wrong side of this, but I’ve come to realize it doesn’t affect me at all. I don’t have to support that content. I don’t have to watch it. If they cross the line, they’ll get reported... If ‘titty streamers’ disappeared tomorrow, it’s not like it would affect anybody else’s channel. It’s just gatekeeping, is all it is.”


Less prominent streamers have to deal with sexist comments, too. “I streamed this weekend for the first time in months,” wrote Skylatron, who works with influencers but does not directly support herself through streaming. “Was doing computer repair and raising $ for Extra Life. Some rando told me to go back to Chatterbate. I was fully covered.”

wrote streamer MartianKat. “If they’re okay with their company being represented in such a manner, maybe I need to rethink my association.”


“This type of overtly aggressive and markedly hostile behavior toward all women on Twitch is not acceptable,” streamer Coco_The_Louder said on Twitter. “We need that #TwitchUnity talk to be backed up with action.”

It’s an environment that’s got some women feeling increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of streaming. Popular streamer AnneMunition understands where they’re coming from, and she’s got advice:


After his suspension, Trainwreck issued an “apology” that began with more of a clarification: “In no way was this content meant to demean, bash, or hate on the entirety of the female community,” he wrote, leaving open the possibility that he only meant to demean and bash some women. “With all of this being said, I want to reiterate that none of this justifies, or excuses my behavior and actions,” he went on. “I take full responsibility, and I want to apologize to Twitch, Twitch Staff, and most of all to those that I have offended including the entire community.”


Responding via Twitter DM to Kotaku, Trainwreck said that the video was “addressing the .1% that sexually exploit themselves for views & money on this gaming platform” and who he thinks “hide behind the defense or veil of sexism or being treated unfairly.” He also said that the presentation of it all was meant to be “a sort of satire,” but he acknowledged that his choice of words and tone was “disgusting” nonetheless.

Monday evening, Trainwreck’s suspension expired, and he returned to streaming. During his first stream back, he said he’d conduct himself differently and refrain from using “that word”—presumably “slut.” Throughout the stream, though, he cut his mic during moments where he pretended to address controversial topics, as a joke about how he’s been censored. At one point, he walked around in an exaggerated fashion to make fun of women streamers bending over. And while he never used “that word,” his chat sure did, and he didn’t seem interested in stopping them.

I know some of you are also involved in Twitch. Article is cut & pasted in case you can't read the article from your side of the world.
 

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I saw his video, it was insane. Why do people not realize that they’re not entitled to streams, that nobody can steal what’s not yours? Someone who wants to stare at titties might not want to watch your stream. What a little brat.
 
“the same sluts that rejected us, the same sluts that chose the god damn cool kids over us. The same sluts that are coming into our community, taking the money, taking the subs, the same way they did back in the day.”
I'm not familiar with Twitch, but how old is this dude? This kind of talk is the exact thing that men need to be calling out other men for. These are the dudes that are ruining things for everyone. Take away his copies of Revenge of the Nerds quickly. How do you both enjoy boobies and get this angry at women for having them? His rant is the most dehumanizing thing I've seen in a while. There is a major unfairness happening when having a curvy, female body is so vilified. There are tons of women who curves are noticeable no matter what they wear. Does that disqualify them from being anything but a sex object? This makes it sounds like those women don't have the right to pursue anything in the presence of men because they'll be more successful. Just gross. If this dude was a camgirl mad about other girls' hustles, we'd call him sour grapes and laugh. But, it's not funny chasing women out of anything because of the bodies they possess.
 
I'm not familiar with Twitch, but how old is this dude? This kind of talk is the exact thing that men need to be calling out other men for. These are the dudes that are ruining things for everyone. Take away his copies of Revenge of the Nerds quickly. How do you both enjoy boobies and get this angry at women for having them? His rant is the most dehumanizing thing I've seen in a while. There is a major unfairness happening when having a curvy, female body is so vilified. There are tons of women who curves are noticeable no matter what they wear. Does that disqualify them from being anything but a sex object? This makes it sounds like those women don't have the right to pursue anything in the presence of men because they'll be more successful. Just gross. If this dude was a camgirl mad about other girls' hustles, we'd call him sour grapes and laugh. But, it's not funny chasing women out of anything because of the bodies they possess.

The guy's incel ranting aside the main frustration isn't about women streamers it's about uneven enforcement of site rules. It just more common for people to point out that inequality on twitch when it's an issue of a women streamer breaking sexuality rules. You see the same uneven treatment for things like drunk streaming or drug streaming doesn't matter if the streamer is a man or a woman. One of twitch golden boys literally admitting he was using meth to keep up his streaming schedule and nothing happened. It's the same sort of anger models get when they see other models getting away with breaking rules(like when models advertise incest and ageplay when it's against site rules). When money is on the line anyone would get upset if the playing field isn't equal.

We just saw a few months ago the same sort of drama on manyvids when a certain top model was viewed as bypassing content rules in her videos and the site only taking action when people started notifying the processor. You can't go a day without hearing youtube drama about selective treatment.
 
Do streamers bring in money? Or their own viewers who are paying to be members of the site? If so, it makes sense that people who bring in more would be more likely to be able to bend rules. Fair doesn't really have a place in capitalism as much as we like to pretend that it does. A handful of people breaking rules is a lot easier for a site to overlook, or claim to not notice, than a streamer who is ranting against fellow streamers and the site. If girls are bringing viewers and they let his rant scare off new female members, it costs the site money. They shouldn't be expected to eat that. Don't bite the hand that feeds. Tons of camgirls make similar complaints against their competition. Childish at best.
 
JFC, there are some parts of the internet that make me go "Oh... fuck... I think I'll go back to my camsite where it's safe."
 
Boy do I dislike gamers and gaming culture. Love gaming but will sooner admit to watching wrestling. Really says a lot. Was an inevitable business decision for Twitch to branch out and become more universally appealing. The marathons they have been doing are great. Bob Ross marathon was some of the most fun that can be had online. They have even started to stream indy wrestling shows. Keep up the good work Twitch.
 
He has a point about the unfairness of select streamers being able to skirt around rules that everyone else is beholden to, but unfortunately that point kinda gets lost underneath all the whiny, woe-is-me hypocrisy and barely contained misogyny. His argument is essentially "I should be able to make money playing games that that I didn't make, taking advantage of a customer base that's been generated partly by Twitch and partly by the game that I'm playing, but conventionally attractive women shouldn't be allowed to do the same".
 
I’ve heard the fairness arguments, and quite frankly i find it to be horseshit if we’re to sell unfair enforcement as the absolute forefront for Mr. Trainwreck’s speech, or anyone else sounding off on boob streamers for that matter. I have so many doubts buying into that as the main reasoning. The sense i’m getting is more about resentment and hostility toward those female streamers.

Trainwreck barely emphasizes about it, but rather emphasizes more about boob streamers as some sort of contamination in the Twitch community. What’s more is that he has a history of being a misogynistic dickwad.

If this really is about fairness, or lack thereof, then get angry at Twitch for inconsistent enforcement. His anger is misdirected if that was the case.

It’s even gotten to a point where some folks aren’t simply angry at “tiddy streams” exclusively, but now they’re angry at female streamers in general, mainly for being too “doll’d up.” It’s the notion of, “you don’t belong on Twitch because you’re too pretty for this.”
 
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Sounds like someone needs to focus on their room and focus on their hustle ;)
 
https://www.polygon.com/platform/am...ules-sexual-content-streamers-moderation-bans

Twitch is introducing new community guidelines to try and better control its growing IRL section, including those for how streamers dress while broadcasting.

In a blog post, Twitch outlined a proper dress code that all streamers must abide by, regardless of gender. The company is updating its moderation framework to review streamer conduct, and will use the new guidelines to determine whether the broadcast is intended to be explicit in nature. It will issue consequences to streamers who are intentionally broadcasting sexually suggestive content.

“We’ll be looking at contextual elements such as the stream title, camera angles, emotes, panels, attire, overlays, and chat moderation,” the blog post reads. “Offering access to prohibited sexual content such as ‘lewds’ on Twitch remains prohibited.

“Attire in gaming streams, most at-home streams, and all profile/channel imagery should be appropriate for a public street, mall, or restaurant. “

One of the biggest complaints Twitch receives from viewers and many streamers is the sexually suggestive content found in the IRL section. Often referred to as “bikini streamers” and other, more vulgar terms, these streams tend to feature women wearing low-cut shirts while playing games and engaging with people in the chat. Phrases like “squats for subs,” which refer to the streamer performing a series of squats in front of the camera for more subscribers, are among the activities that Twitch hopes to address with its new guidelines.

This isn’t the first time that Twitch has introduced streamer apparel guidelines, but a combination of more “bikini streamers” and increased popularity of the IRL section, which debuted in early 2017, led to the platform’s biggest debate over what constitutes fair streaming practices. Multiple bans for some female streamers, who performed sexually explicit acts while broadcasting or selling “lewds” on Twitter, have only driven the community further apart.

Some of Twitch’s most notorious casters have responded with harassment, including misogynistic rants that refer to female streamers as “sluts.” One of the most notable rants occurred last November, when a viral video of a caster named Trainwrecks spread around Twitter. Trainwrecks is heard in a video talking about taking the platform back from “bikini streamers” and returning Twitch to its former glory days. Threatening responses like these have affected numerous female casters, who tweeted out their fears of backlash and harassment while streaming in a hostile environment.

The company is aware of the fragile relationship between gaming personalities and popular female IRL streamers. Twitch stated that any harassment of female streamers — on- or off-platform — can result in an indefinite ban.

“As a reminder, we will not tolerate using this policy as a basis to harass streamers on or off Twitch, regardless of whether you think they’re breaking this rule.”

The blog post reiterated that it expects to announce more changes to the IRL section in the coming months. Twitch continues to highlight the notoriously toxic section as one that needs more attention, starting with changes to Twitch’s automated chat moderation system.

Bit more at the link. Seems fair enough but I'm not sure how the community will react.
 
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