Traffic!

[Carolinee24]

Hello guys! I am Caroline, i am a model in Chaturbate, and i am really depressed. I do everything and i cannot rank at all . I have made several new accounts but this NEW tag doesnt work at all. I am very aware that models in 1st page are using fake traffic in order to rank themselfs. Can someone please help me somehow? We can win in a long-term. I Could register a new account through your link, you win 20 % everytime i win. If someone agrees please pm me! Thank you in advance.

 

[Ava Nicole]

But they do behave like bots.
And even a pretty good placement doesn't make any sense anymore.
People don't want to talk. People don't want to participate in any public stuff. People don't want to take me pvt

Just my opinion but I've been putting a lot of thought into this and I think this is kinda the current truth across all cam sites and I don't think it's because they're all bots. I think it's due to the fact most users nowadays are on their phones when they're viewing camsites. It used to be viewers would mostly be sitting at their computer which would definitely lend itself to a much more talkative/interactive experience. Now, I think no matter how mobile friendly a cam site, there's a huge amount of traffic that's just going to be idly looking at cams on their phone and not bothering to chat. Just my theory, though! "Idle traffic not talking" is a common complaint this year across the board.

 

[Beawaresweety]

Just my opinion but I've been putting a lot of thought into this and I think this is kinda the current truth across all cam sites and I don't think it's because they're all bots. I think it's due to the fact most users nowadays are on their phones when they're viewing camsites. It used to be viewers would mostly be sitting at their computer which would definitely lend itself to a much more talkative/interactive experience. Now, I think no matter how mobile friendly a cam site, there's a huge amount of traffic that's just going to be idly looking at cams on their phone and not bothering to chat. Just my theory, though! "Idle traffic not talking" is a common complaint this year across the board.

We're full of theories on here, lol. This is what happens when the site doesn't have a clear ranking system.
It may be true too. As I said, I can be wrong.
But I've been comparing CB to other cam-site lately and all this mobile stuff doesn't seem to be such a huge problem for users on the second site. They're chatty, at very least (that shows they're real). Just weird how it goes so differently.

Though, there is definitely some percent of people that use their phones and seem to lurk.

 

[dark_mermaid]

I used to be cb's biggest fan too.

The best explanation for cb ranking is the number of unique users with tokens in the room.

The hourly competition counts differently. For the competition it's just unique registered users in the room, regardless if they have tokens or not. There have been cases where rooms ranked cards very high in the competition but were placed quite far low on the site (hundreds or thousands gray users in the room).

I think we're all underestimating the scale of some bot nets. With the free test version of one bot net, I could put about 4,000 (!) different (!!) bot accounts (gray users) into my room and that was the free version. The paid version is supposed to offer more and "better" fake accounts.

But even before I did that, I noticed that I have bot accounts in my room every time I broadcast. I don't want to give away how I knew these accounts are no real users, because it could be read by the wrong people but yeah, there are big bot nets cycling through all rooms all the time. I don't think it's cb though that does it. I think the cb user data base is in a seriously bad shape.

And that doesn't answer the question of "how many user account is a studio allowed to have? One? One hundred? One thousand?"

 

[Beawaresweety]

but yeah, there are big bot nets cycling through all rooms all the time. I don't think it's cb though that does it. I think the cb user data base is in a seriously bad shape.

And we all are aware of recording bots and such. It happens on all the existing cam-sites. More or less.
It would be fine if it didn't cross the line where it's no longer innocent. Now it's really suspicious.
That's ok if your room is being viewed by 70% of real users and 30% of bots. I'd say it's the part of the deal.
But that's not ok if your room is being viewed by 30% of real users and 70% of bots.
It's even kinda creepy.
Because it turns out to be you sitting in a dead room with non-existent people, waiting for some action on their part for hours. And the total amount of viewers is just an additional illusion. "You are not alone. You are not alone".
Isn't it creepy?

 

[dark_mermaid]

It is, I cannot find the link now but it was some "internet bot traffic report". The percentage of bot traffic on adult sites is supposed to be somewhere in the region of 50%. "Adult sector" is very broad though and can include everything and I also think it's mostly "anonymous" traffic and/or fake views on tube sites for example.

I've also thought about approaching it differently and thinking "Hmmm, maybe we all should all just say it's fair "investing" into a good rank. By paying for bot accounts or creating our own user accounts, buy tokens and tip ourselves." At some point the line to "self tipping", which is tolerated on sites I think becomes blurry.

 

[Beawaresweety]

It is, I cannot find the link now but it was some "internet bot traffic report". The percentage of bot traffic on adult sites is supposed to be somewhere in the region of 50%. "Adult sector" is very broad though and can include everything and I also think it's mostly "anonymous" traffic and/or fake views on tube sites for example.

I've also thought about approaching it differently and thinking "Hmmm, maybe we all should all just say it's fair "investing" into a good rank. By paying for bot accounts or creating our own user accounts, buy tokens and tip ourselves." At some point the line to "self tipping", which is tolerated on sites I think becomes blurry.

Self-tipping is such an odd thing. You pay more than you get (due to the cut). And there is no guarantee that someone will participate and contribute with some real tips.

I personally imagine other situation.
You go online, open cb on your second laptop/PC/phone and log in to member's account. You start tipping yourself. And there is a goal. As it goes, more users are joining your room. And they all wait for the highest tipper (i.e. you) to reach the goal so they get some freebies.

That's some new level of independency.
You work for yourself, you pay yourself, you reach the goal thanks to yourself and you start getting naked/playing with yourself because you've tipped for it. LOL.

In all seriousness though, I wouldn't sign up for something similar. It's not worth it.

 

[dark_mermaid]

Depends on how much your tips depend on a high rank and the number of real users in your room. Oh, and self tipping can be quite cheap when you use accounts made through your affiliate link. You pay 10 dollars for 100 tokens and get 7 dollars back. An investment into 100 user accounts like that would only cost 300 dollars. I did not read the original posting but in a Russian forum one girl said she invested about 1,000 dollars into token loaded user accounts for her room.

 

[Beawaresweety]

Depends on how much your tips depend on a high rank and the number of real users in your room. Oh, and self tipping can be quite cheap when you use accounts made through your affiliate link. You pay 10 dollars for 100 tokens and get 7 dollars back. An investment into 100 user accounts like that would only cost 300 dollars. I did not read the original posting but in a Russian forum one girl said she invested about 1,000 dollars into token loaded user accounts for her room.

I've never been interested in this kind of things so I wasn't aware. Thanks for the information! And out of curiosity, did it pay off for her?

 

[dark_mermaid]

Apparently yes. But like I said this is hearsay, because at that time I did not know this forum exists. So I did not read the original.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

You can sell tip for free using multiple verified accounts

 

[Beawaresweety]

Apparently yes. But like I said this is hearsay, because at that time I did not know this forum exists. So I did not read the original.

Good for her then yet still very weird.
I believe that these thoughts about self-investing in such an odd way may haunt models because other ways don't work anymore. Because there is no clarity about what's going on.
Competition should have stayed fair but it just hasn't happened. On cb, at very least.
Competition would have stayed fair if algorithms worked properly so models could compete with each other by improving their equipment and shows.
It was supposed to be this way.
But, owing to the lack of clearness and transparency, many models have become desperate and have been trying to hack the system, whatever it actually is, in the hope to succeed.
I don't know what might be more sad than this situation.

 

[soyandigh]

Doubt it, you seem to attack everyone on this site that calls you out on anything - if you were going to be helpful and make a post to be so helpful you likely would have done so the first time instead of feeding me some bullshit response that CB would have fed me.

It is VERY apparent you didn't read my posts thoroughly or do any math because any camgirl in her right mind would be like WTF and freaking out with that drastic of a change in her traffic/income going on ... she would reach out for help outside of the site (because we know they all feed us the same bullshit when they change things) and she would probably have a bad attitude too (income cut in half hours doubled with no answers why will do that to a person). And she would be terrified, scared and sad. She may be depressed and worse....

I shouldn't have lashed out at you - you are correct on that - BUT you understand the industry, how harsh it can be financially and psychologically and why models reach out to each other for help - that is WHY they come here - for help. That is what this forum is for!!!! We don't come here for canned website responses to serious questions.

I've seen you completely bash another model in here that had to find out through Twitter you were talking shit. She may or may not have been in the wrong for what she did/said or whatever but that should have never happened in the first place in my opinion. This shouldn't be a place where shit talking other models by name is an option.... That's bad etiquette, trying to ruin a models career because you had an issue or maybe are just jealous.

I've gone to these forums, joined a few chat groups trying to have some sort of an outlet and make a connection to discuss the frustrations of camming with others that are having the same frustrations... some have been very helpful and encouraging yet most have been nothing but a damn catfight and sneaky manipulative mind game bullshit. I'm going to stop trying at this point.....

Same here I have no faith at all, i dont know what to do

 

[Dan Epstein]

It just landed on me lately. What if people saw a customized homepage tailored to what they actually like? I know some obscure content sites like Netflix do it, and some obscure e-commerce sites like Amazon do so as well. Are traffic and ranking still relevant in 2020? Just a thought. By the way happy birthday @Nigerian Prince !

 

[MDouble00]

It just landed on me lately. What if people saw a customized homepage tailored to what they actually like? I know some obscure content sites like Netflix do it, and some obscure e-commerce sites like Amazon do so as well. Are traffic and ranking still relevant in 2020? Just a thought. By the way happy birthday @Nigerian Prince !

Clearly those are two of the most regularly visited/used websites on Earth. But, part of the tailoring they do is based on user frequency/retention. While I think it is helpful to have that capability on a site, it is also dependent on me wanting to visit that site often. I have told models in the past, that sites like ManyVids never really promoted/advertised models that were similar to them to me. Despite buying multiple videos from the site etc. What I did notice is that if the model sold say a "twerking" video. (I make no efforts to hide my love of the bootay), while I wouldn't get models that necessarily looked like her, or were built like her. The site did pick up that I like that kind of video. It didn't really get me to buy any additional content, because the first options they showed me. Yes fit what I bought that models video for, but they didn't pick up on what she looked like, or how she was built. It just said ooh twerking here are x # of videos featuring twerking.

I still think that curating/customizing is important to sites like MFC or CB for a member. It doesn't really matter if the sites don't draw members and more importantly new members that are going to spend money on the site. If anything without efforts to bring in traffic, and increase focus on curation. Then you end up having tons of models on a site, and people customizing their interest or closing their pool down further. Leaving no chance to really see anything new.

I've always left a default of Camscore on MFC just because it is going to give me the most wide range of views. I don't focus on the score, but it allows me several rows of models of varying looks to scroll. If I just curated to my favorite models, or my particular interest, I might miss a model that either by her own tags, or something has caused her to not be noticed by me. I can think of a model, who has a great butt, but she doesn't have it in her tags. So if I curated off just tags that I like she wouldn't potentially show up. But, I found her because of the way she was ranked.

 

[Dan Epstein]

You rock, you do and always will. My question and concern will always include you. Without data and just traffic, I’ll appear to you as the same, always, as traffic and links

 

[KatieDidIt]

Thank you Audri I tried MFC today and may add in SM and just rotate through the 3 based on successful days/times on each. I keep spreadsheets on sites/shifts/earnings etc so I have hard data to look at. That's how I was able to confirm that Cams was pulling shady shit and that CB was going downhill for me and I wasn't going crazy.

I'm also considering vanilla work just to cover the mortgage and cam, etc to cover the rest.........

When I switched from CB to SM, my income doubled instantly. I love it! I was able to quit my vanilla job(I owned a one woman cleaning business), and work about 20 hours a week and earn in the low six figures. I can’t say enough about how much I love SM. Very few beggars, no mean trolls, and the most anyone can see for free are my boobs.

 

[AmberCutie]

It just landed on me lately. What if people saw a customized homepage tailored to what they actually like? I know some obscure content sites like Netflix do it, and some obscure e-commerce sites like Amazon do so as well. Are traffic and ranking still relevant in 2020? Just a thought. By the way happy birthday @Nigerian Prince !

Traffic and ranking as far as alexa and whatnot? It isn't all that relevent because it depends on several factors on the users browsers. That's why sites like BONGA have a crazy high ranking on Alexa... because of the way Alexa collects information, it's more likely to be used by people in certain parts of the world who enable (or better yet don't disable) certain trackers that are built in to their browsers.

People take Alexa rankings way too much at face value when they don't realize that not 100% (in fact a much much smaller %) of Internet users worldwide actually have their site usage tracked by it.

On a site like MFC, where a HUGE amt of users are from North America, Alexa is not going to report their traffic correctly because a HUGE amt of North American users do not use browser extensions and other functions on their computers that are required for Alexa to track their Internet usage.

 

[Dan Epstein]

Alexa and Similarweb are providing more than just traffic ranking, these are paid services for market intelligence. By the way, all the big cam sites use it for insights, they never even share a portion of them. What I was referring to is not traffic, it's analytics and data. Why do all people see the same ranking if they don't like the same things? Why do we throw spaghetti at the wall hoping some would stick? On many levels this is what traffic based affiliate marketing is, and after working in both vanilla and adult marketing, I see the data gap and it's huge, nonetheless frustrating. Why don't we get any data insights except for pornhub with regards to free-stolen content? As you can probably tell by now more than a few traffic whales and cam CEO's don't like my millenial expectations and questions

 

[CarrieBb]

There is no easy answer. I wish there was one but since there is not the ONE thing to change, answers and advice will be kinda generic.

I believe room placement still follows the number of members with tokens in the room. It is still my best explanation. I believe cb gives users with tokens different "values", probably depending on the amount of tokens hold and or spent. CB does not hand out more information as far as I know.

If you look at other rooms, look past Eastern European studio rooms. In these rooms the probability that they artificially inflated the viewer number is very, very high. I wish we had more (former) studio girls here. It's a VERY big number of broadcasters that are not represented here or in any other forum that I know of. It's a black box what's happening there, I would like to know more. There is a girl now on another site and independent from a very big EE studio on cb who said "of course we use a "special promotion" on cb" but this is only one girl, not representative and apparently the studio left her in the dark, what the "special promotion" actually is. She was told it makes sure she is always on the first page and that's it.

Did tippers leave you or non tippers? Does this happen every day or just sometimes? It's totally possible to have a small, but profitable room. I had one of these and a model friend of mine too. She has 30-40 viewers max but among these are four to five really big tippers. She's a "ghost" on cb.

However we were both lucky to get a "buzz" during our "new girl" week and had four digit viewer numbers in that time for some days in a row. This did not happen immediately, I was on cam for three or four hours with a more or less empty room (that REALLY sucked and is nerve wrecking and I was close to turning cam off more than once, I'm glad I didn't) but then more members joined, I kept the viewers in the room, more joined, the number got bigger and bigger until there were more than 1,000. This accelerates quite quickly when you've reached "that point". I don't remember the exact number but I know it was more than 3,000 at one point. Then over time our rooms got smaller, it lead to frustration (visible to viewers making this a vicious circle) I took longer breaks (personal reasons). Now, almost three years later our rooms are "clubs" if you want but we make the money we need. Neither of us ever wanted to become stars or get rich anyway.

So what you can try is to make a new account, cam your ass off in the first seven days after it gets age verified. I do not know how you did in the first week but changing persona, appearance, tip menu, room "look" is something to try too, with a new account or in your current one.

I cammed minimum eight hours uninterrupted in the first seven days with my account. Don't really know anymore how I did it lol but I did and it worked and I still profit from it.

Take a day off after that, do something else and then cam, cam, cam and don't make the mistake I did (look frustrated) or find your peace with a smaller room.

Hey, I know this is a super duper old post, but this is a very helpful comment! Is it possible to make a new account on camsites? I was pretty sure that you couldn't start over?? Thats really reassuring if possible.

 

[dark_mermaid]

Oh wow, what an ancient posting lol.

Thank you

At least on cb you can make a new account to start over.

You can even transfer your followers from your old account to the new one.

 

[NotYou]

Oh wow, what an ancient posting lol.

Thank you

At least on cb you can make a new account to start over.

You can even transfer your followers from your old account to the new one.

They always say this is a "one-time deal" but I am sure I have seen models do it more than once.
So be sure you're comfortable and happy with the new name you create, just in case you can't do it again.

 

[Honeyyhaze]

After readying all your messages i got a .
Why you are not ranking ?
1. your attitude its shitty even here where you suposing asking for help .
2. you care too much for other rooms so thats why you do not make money
3. you have to concentrate to your room and what you do not what other performers make. Copy the other models will bring you nothing.
4. I rank top 100 on chaturbate at least 4 times at week this means at least 2 page , and the other days page 4-5 so i am a middle earner and I NEVER USE BOOTS OR SOMETHING so do not talk bullshit about something that you do not have a clue.
5. I worked for at least 3 years every day minimum 4 hours so if i get this place i am fucking deserving it .
6. You or other doesnt have a golden pussy , you have to sell with brain , but aparently you do not want to use yours and also you do not want to work your ass out for 1-2 years to get your place.
7. Girls that have so many in room work from 8 hours to 12 hours every fucking day for at least 2-3 years so if then they reach the top working only 1-2 days at week this fellows really DESERVE IT.
8. Many of them have webmasters that promote them and brings them traffic exactelly for the reason they do not ask for anything and they are nice and deserve it and work everyday and a lot . You want that too ? Fine get your ass on cam and stay there dear do not wait apples falling from the sky.
5. SECRETS TO RANK HIGHER HERE THEY ARE :
A) get you ass on cam daily at least 4-5 hours
b) be natural , yourself do watever you like and be fair with your tippers and non tippers
c) test what time its better for you night or day ( this its only up to you there its no secret in that , for me works better nights)
d) do not change the accounts like socks , that will make mebers run away from you ( get one and stick with it and cam daily)
If chaturbate doesnt work for you try another site but on every site its the same , if you do not work your ass out you do not have money , its like any other job .
None of us has a golden pussy , the diffrence its made how we pack and sell it thats all.

loooove this advice. My traffic dropped once the NEW tag went away but I've been getting on cam a minimum of 5 hours everyday so its getting better. Fully clothed I had 100ppl in my room last night which has NEVER happened. It's all about how hard YOU want it. gotta put in the work to get better

 

[CarrieBb]

Oh wow, what an ancient posting lol.

Thank you

At least on cb you can make a new account to start over.

You can even transfer your followers from your old account to the new one.

Ah, thank you for replying haha. I know it was crazy old but you give amazing tips. Do you know if you would still get a 'new' tag if you switched over and took your followers on CB?
I'm kind of hoping that I can do a sort of jump start with my MFC as I've just destroyed my camscore having an account for so long, posting so casually for a while, and I hadnt actually started taking things more seriously until (well im sure like a whole butt load of us) I no longer now have school or work and realised how many things I have been doing wrong if I'd like to do well here. And I freaking love camming so I'd love to be able to make a sort of blank slate for myself and really get grinding on it (pun intended).

 

[CarrieBb]

They always say this is a "one-time deal" but I am sure I have seen models do it more than once.
So be sure you're comfortable and happy with the new name you create, just in case you can't do it again.

Thanks so much for replying. My main worry is that they will just see the same ID (and do whatever kind of ID verifying thing they do) and immediately be like "biiitch no we see you, get your ass back in that bed you made for yourself". I mean no harm in trying, I hope haha.

 

[JustMilfnAround]

Thanks so much for replying. My main worry is that they will just see the same ID (and do whatever kind of ID verifying thing they do) and immediately be like "biiitch no we see you, get your ass back in that bed you made for yourself". I mean no harm in trying, I hope haha.

They did this with me and I actually had never streamed there - I set up an account there about 4.5 years back and never once streamed. When I had set up a new stream they said I couldn't get new model status because i already had an account. They verified I had never streamed and gave me the new girl tag on my new account. So, yeah, they may call you out on it...

 

[CarrieBb]

They did this with me and I actually had never streamed there - I set up an account there about 4.5 years back and never once streamed. When I had set up a new stream they said I couldn't get new model status because i already had an account. They verified I had never streamed and gave me the new girl tag on my new account. So, yeah, they may call you out on it...

okokok. super good to know. thank you love.