Tipping for Attention.

[camstory]

A very interesting subject came up recently in another thread. I did not catch the post that started the conversation, but only caught a post or two in some debate after. That all tips are given for attention was the idea put fourth. This seemed to meet with some disagreement, the tone of which seemed sure, and maybe even a little put off by that suggestion.

I have thought about that a little and can't help but think if most tippers are like myself, that yes most tips are given for attention. I don't think every tip is a voice that bellows, 'Look at me', but the only tips I can think of that I have ever given that were not to some extent motivated by attention, were the few times I have sent an anon tip and also didn't somehow front myself off sometime later. I think that has been less times then I would need both hands to count. I have also transferred tokens to another member a few times without letting anyone else know, but that is not a tip. And I have always told the member were the tokens came from, so in that I have got his attention.

A ninja tip is not a true ninja tip. I would guess maybe close to 25% of my tips are ninja tips, but that I don't ask for the rooms attention, does not mean that I am not drawing the Models attention, even if there is no tip note, (which there usually is).

There have also been times when I was channel surfing from 1K and stopped on a Model who seemed to be having a extra bad night, and I thought the 50 tokens I could send might put a smile on her face, so I have sent them. But even in this, sending a tip to an unknown Model, who I doubt I will ever have any contact with ever again, am I not looking for that smile? Of course I am, and there will be one more Model who has been touched by the legendary kindness of Bad_Wolf, or Cam_Story, or which ever SN I'm promoting that night. :lol:

Someone suggested that if the tip was for a count down then it was not for attention. I would have to disagree, that tip just happens to serve a dual purpose.

Well what about offline tips? Yes even off line tips I would argue are about attention. No, there is no instant gratification from room members or Model, but there is the knowing that the Model may hold you in a little higher stead for it because, one; she has been a bit surprised to sign on and find your gift, and two; the fact that it is an offline tip you know seems more noble.

I don't think any of these things are wrong, but I think all of them have attention as at least part of their make up. I would not argue that all, or even most tips are about drawing attention away from everyone else, but rather keeping a bit focused on you.

In my opinion the only tip that is not in some part about attention, is a true anon, (that stays a true anon), and I wonder how much that happens? I would guess the % would be single digit if not the other side of the decimal.

 

[Jupiter551]

Sometimes I tip a model I haven't tipped before anonymously asking for something from her topic (flash or whatever) simply because I can check her out without worrying about being token-stalked. I think this is specifically the opposite of looking for attention. I'm looking for services and what's holding me back is the fact she might pay me attention I don't really wanna bother with

 

[camstory]

Sometimes I tip a model I haven't tipped before anonymously asking for something from her topic (flash or whatever) simply because I can check her out without worrying about being token-stalked. I think this is specifically the opposite of looking for attention. I'm looking for services and what's holding me back is the fact she might pay me attention I don't really wanna bother with

Yes, but this is a true anonymous tip, and I would agree not for attention. Though in asking for her services are you not asking for her attention? (I will stipulate that what attention she gives is blind, as she does not know who she is giving attention to, but you do.)

 

[Jupiter551]

Sometimes I tip a model I haven't tipped before anonymously asking for something from her topic (flash or whatever) simply because I can check her out without worrying about being token-stalked. I think this is specifically the opposite of looking for attention. I'm looking for services and what's holding me back is the fact she might pay me attention I don't really wanna bother with

Yes, but this is a true anonymous tip, and I would agree not for attention. Though in asking for her services are you not asking for her attention? (I will stipulate that what attention she gives is blind, as she does not know who she is giving attention to, but you do.)

Well I think that's far too broad a definition of attention. It's true I don't want her to completely ignore the tip, but I'm not asking for her to pay attention to me, just take her shirt off or whatever.

 

[nervous101]

A very interesting subject came up recently in another thread. I did not catch the post that started the conversation, but only caught a post or two in some debate after. That all tips are given for attention was the idea put fourth. This seemed to meet with some disagreement, the tone of which seemed sure, and maybe even a little put off by that suggestion.

I have thought about that a little and can't help but think if most tippers are like myself, that yes most tips are given for attention. I don't think every tip is a voice that bellows, 'Look at me', but the only tips I can think of that I have ever given that were not to some extent motivated by attention, were the few times I have sent an anon tip and also didn't somehow front myself off sometime later. I think that has been less times then I would need both hands to count. I have also transferred tokens to another member a few times without letting anyone else know, but that is not a tip. And I have always told the member were the tokens came from, so in that I have got his attention.

A ninja tip is not a true ninja tip. I would guess maybe close to 25% of my tips are ninja tips, but that I don't ask for the rooms attention, does not mean that I am not drawing the Models attention, even if there is no tip note, (which there usually is).

There have also been times when I was channel surfing from 1K and stopped on a Model who seemed to be having a extra bad night, and I thought the 50 tokens I could send might put a smile on her face, so I have sent them. But even in this, sending a tip to an unknown Model, who I doubt I will ever have any contact with ever again, am I not looking for that smile? Of course I am, and there will be one more Model who has been touched by the legendary kindness of Bad_Wolf, or Cam_Story, or which ever SN I'm promoting that night. :lol:

Someone suggested that if the tip was for a count down then it was not for attention. I would have to disagree, that tip just happens to serve a dual purpose.

Well what about offline tips? Yes even off line tips I would argue are about attention. No, there is no instant gratification from room members or Model, but there is the knowing that the Model may hold you in a little higher stead for it because, one; she has been a bit surprised to sign on and find your gift, and two; the fact that it is an offline tip you know seems more noble.

I don't think any of these things are wrong, but I think all of them have attention as at least part of their make up. I would not argue that all, or even most tips are about drawing attention away from everyone else, but rather keeping a bit focused on you.

In my opinion the only tip that is not in some part about attention, is a true anon, (that stays a true anon), and I wonder how much that happens? I would guess the % would be single digit if not the other side of the decimal.

Tips can be for attention yes, but it is not necessarily the universal truth. Obviously a tip will generate attention, but it is not necessarily for the sole purpose of "Look at me! Look at me!".

You've given a few examples of tips that are not for attention. Ninja tip, a tip to help out a model on a slow day, offline tips. There are many reasons to tip, attention is merely one of them.

 

[Shaun__]

When I am tipping for just for attention I include this little monkey.

 

[TashaDutch]

it's kind of an 'yeah if' thing... if someone comes outta nowhere tipping a girl big, i can't help to think that they probably seek some attention
but sometimes people really do tip to help, or show appreciation..
it only gets annoying when someone thinks that just tipping will make the girl kiss the floor he walks on..

is it also why some people skip rooms when there's no premiums there?
now that i can't log in with my premium nick anymore (webbroadcaster) i really see a difference in people staying or not
tipping works contagious also.. i witness that every time someone decides to tip
even privates work that way... it's really intresting to see it happen!
if it was just to get girls naked.. i'm sure most would tip to see a flash, rather then to tip to get her naked... or they would just spend a little on voyeur
i don't think its a bad thing tho.. if it was just about porn mfc wouldn't excist like it does

 

[Jupiter551]

is it also why some people skip rooms when there's no premiums there?

Only premium in room =

When you're the only one who can possibly tip, the pressure is on.

 

[southsamurai]

since i can only tip when someone passes me tokens or i get the rare freebie pre paid credit card as a gift i vary rarely tip out in public. its been months since i tipped and it wasnt anonymous. and that one was for a vid. i feel weird when i get any attention for tipping anyway, and since its so damn rare for me to be able to until my disability comes through it gets much more than i like . i have no idea why it weirds me out to be thanked for a tip, but it does, so i stay anonymous. ninja tips ftw?

 

[camstory]

OK fair enough, the way I defined attention was very broad intentionally. I don't think the discussion in the other thread was about this broad attention, but rather the unseemly self serving attention that does bellow look at me, look at me. And I like to believe that I tip to help, and to do my part. One of the things I have come to enjoy more than just about anything, is coming into a room with 10-20 prems that is dead and by tipping see if I can generate other tips. It is a wonderful thing when you can make it happen, and even when it does not work I enjoy helping. So in the narcissistic, crass, look at me definition of tipping for attention, I say, no, most tips are not given for that sort of attention. I like to think those are not the needs that motivate me to tip.

In a broader sense when I am honest with my self, I understand that every tip I give, in much like every post I make, there is some element in it that is my need as a social animal to be noticed by others. I think in every tip and in every post, there is a little bit of me that hopes to endear myself to others, be it the Model I am tipping, or the ppl reading the post. That at some level is wanting attention, but I don't see any shame in that.

 

[Evvie]

Camstory, I think you bring up some great points here. But I agree with Jupiter, your definition of attention is too broad.

If your definition is, "Attention is getting a model to notice that she has been tipped, regardless of if the tip is anonymous or what she does afterwords", then well, yes, all tips are for attention.

However, I am not sure that attention should be labeled so broadly. Here is how I see attention: "Getting a model to recognize you individually and interact with you personally." Other people may see attention as being, "Getting recognized by the chatroom as an important person."

You have an idea that a ninja tip is not "really ninja". Does this mean that the only way a tip can not be for attention is if the model never sees it, recognizes it, or appreciates it? Even if a model does not provide personal attention to anyone after a tip, does the fact that she saw it on her screen mean she is giving out attention?

Also, it should be important to note that there are a lot of people, whom if you asked them, would say they have never tipped for attention or they do not tip only to get attention. I am one of those people. I do not recall ever tipping to get attention. So in another light I feel it is also a bit silly to say, "Evvie, I know you SAY you didn't tip to get attention, but you're wrong." I also do not feel that the percentage of people tipping without wanting attention is less than one percent. I would wager it's much higher.

 

[camstory]

I agree Evvie, I was playing the other side of the coin a bit because I too don't feel I have ever tipped for attention. and yes if you want to cast attention as a huge net that covers anything that is some response to a tip than you might be able to catch all tips in one way or the other.

The last part of my last post was just an understanding in myself that though it is not even a conscious thought, there is no doubt some bit of me that as a social being feels the need to be noticed. And that is is a very broad sense, and not why I tip.

 

[bob]

Call it the cynic's view, but i look at camming through the broadest possible definition of attention: unless you're a guest or a basic who has never spoken a word, you're there for attention. It's only the thing that motivates that desire for attention that is at issue in this thread....and no one will disagree that some motivations are better (read: more direct, more altruistic, more honest, whatever floats your boat) than others. It's our defense of those motivations that help us define the range of reasons that we enjoy the camland experience, and the ways we find the experience gratifying to us

It's human nature to seek the attention of others

Hmmmm...a litmus test. Spend the 20$ and create a brand new premium nick....go to any model's room that you want: tip her the two hundred in one shot, and leave the room without waiting to see what happens. Log off and never use that nick again. Don't tell anybody what you did.

It's the only way I can think of that being truly active in camland would also negate the desire for attention. And it seems like a pretty stupid way to use the site. :lol:

In reading what's been posted while writing this, I personally think the broad definition has merit. What I find fascinating is how hard we work to narrow the definition to fit our self image :whistle:

 

[camstory]

Yes, if we were to admit that we were tipping for attention, even if we are not aware of it would be to admit we are somehow selfish and at least partly driven by ego.

In the broader sense I honestly think we tip for attention. It is OK I think to say we don't bc that may not be the force that drives us consciously. But if we are to be honest we must admit that our need for attention is a motivating factor conscious or not.

 

[Jupiter551]

Call it the cynic's view, but i look at camming through the broadest possible definition of attention: unless you're a guest or a basic who has never spoken a word, you're there for attention. It's only the thing that motivates that desire for attention that is at issue in this thread....and no one will disagree that some motivations are better (read: more direct, more altruistic, more honest, whatever floats your boat) than others. It's our defense of those motivations that help us define the range of reasons that we enjoy the camland experience, and the ways we find the experience gratifying to us

It's human nature to seek the attention of others

Hmmmm...a litmus test. Spend the 20$ and create a brand new premium nick....go to any model's room that you want: tip her the two hundred in one shot, and leave the room without waiting to see what happens. Log off and never use that nick again. Don't tell anybody what you did.

It's the only way I can think of that being truly active in camland would also negate the desire for attention. And it seems like a pretty stupid way to use the site. :lol:

In reading what's been posted while writing this, I personally think the broad definition has merit. What I find fascinating is how hard we work to narrow the definition to fit our self image :whistle:

Then you could argue that you walk into a bakery for attention rather than for a loaf of bread, because buying the bread requires the salesperson's attention.

 

[bob]

Then you could argue that you walk into a bakery for attention rather than for a loaf of bread, because buying the bread requires the salesperson's attention.

hahaha...attention on site is not always about the salesperson...er...model....jupiter....look at the lounges :mrgreen:
but it's also fair to say that somehow, either the baker or her bread got your attention...so yeah, your compensation for that is a form of paying her attention, whether or not the bread comes with a thank you card.

 

[Jupiter551]

Then you could argue that you walk into a bakery for attention rather than for a loaf of bread, because buying the bread requires the salesperson's attention.

hahaha...attention on site is not always about the salesperson...er...model....jupiter....look at the lounges :mrgreen:
but it's also fair to say that somehow, either the baker or her bread got your attention...so yeah, your compensation for that is a form of paying her attention, whether or not the bread comes with a thank you card.

sure but attention isn't the objective, it's just a by-product of whatever you actually went there for - the bread. The same applies when there isn't a salesperson, one of those automatic checkouts. If I buy the same loaf of bread but replace the sales person with a machine am I still there for attention?

 

[FrenchKitty]

OK fair enough, the way I defined attention was very broad intentionally. I don't think the discussion in the other thread was about this broad attention, but rather the unseemly self serving attention that does bellow look at me, look at me. And I like to believe that I tip to help, and to do my part. One of the things I have come to enjoy more than just about anything, is coming into a room with 10-20 prems that is dead and by tipping see if I can generate other tips. It is a wonderful thing when you can make it happen, and even when it does not work I enjoy helping. So in the narcissistic, crass, look at me definition of tipping for attention, I say, no, most tips are not given for that sort of attention. I like to think those are not the needs that motivate me to tip.

In a broader sense when I am honest with my self, I understand that every tip I give, in much like every post I make, there is some element in it that is my need as a social animal to be noticed by others. I think in every tip and in every post, there is a little bit of me that hopes to endear myself to others, be it the Model I am tipping, or the ppl reading the post. That at some level is wanting attention, but I don't see any shame in that.

I think i really understand what you're saying. It's funny because It's at the same time something very narcissistic (the tip is anonymous, but look, she's smiling, and I know i'm the one who made her smile, she's also a bit confused,and i'm the only one who knows the truth), and at the same time selfless, no recognition from anyone, not even the model, just the tiny ego boost of knowing that you've done something selfless hahahha; it's really a mix of things that I completely understand.

 

[AmberCutie]

I can't say why people tip, in general, as everyone is different.

All I know is that I get a little adrenaline rush when I tip one of my favorite girls what I consider to be a good tip (over 300ish) . The bigger my tip is, the more excited I get, and bigger rush I get over it.I do really enjoy seeing their reaction and knowing it was me that caused it, and knowing that I helped make their night better.

If I don't get acknowledged for a tip at all, I do feel upset. A simple "thank you" is fine, but if it goes ignored, I don't like that. Once I tipped a girl 420 tokens to complete a countdown, and included a sweet note in the tip, and all I got was a "thanks" in a monotone voice. I never visited her again. I didn't feel acknowledged and appreciated, thus I didn't like her anymore.

I know I'm not alone on that, even if not everyone is the same.

 

[RogueWarrior]

I agree.

With basically everything said.

Because I don't think it's even close to black and white.

I have never really tipped for attention. I have always tipped for attention.

While the motivation for tips has come from a wide array of reasons, lack of acknowledgement (or even deemed sufficient acknowledgement, right or wrong) has left me feeling less than appreciated. So while the underlying reason for a tip may be for a variety of reasons, some sort of at least feigned sincere acknowledgement (attention?) is almost expected.

Of course there are exceptions, such as yellow walls and truly anon tips. But for everything else, there is some kind of at least latent desire for attention. For me anyway.

 

[Jupiter551]

dunno about you guys but I'm gonna be humiliated if Kool Ray ever finds out just how much discussion he's caused here, and I'm in favour of destroying the evidence before he does

 

[camstory]

dunno about you guys but I'm gonna be humiliated if Kool Ray ever finds out just how much discussion he's caused here, and I'm in favour of destroying the evidence before he does

LOL Jup, I think this actually shows one of KR's many flaws, he is arrogant, and conceited to the point he believes he knows the absolute answer to something that oobviously has no absolute answer.

 

[ComicOzzie]

What I find amusing is the person who gets upset that a model in a busy room is not responding to his questions in free chat. I usually then advise said person to put his question in a tip note if he wants the model to pay attention to him.

 

[bob]

Then you could argue that you walk into a bakery for attention rather than for a loaf of bread, because buying the bread requires the salesperson's attention.

hahaha...attention on site is not always about the salesperson...er...model....jupiter....look at the lounges :mrgreen:
but it's also fair to say that somehow, either the baker or her bread got your attention...so yeah, your compensation for that is a form of paying her attention, whether or not the bread comes with a thank you card.

sure but attention isn't the objective, it's just a by-product of whatever you actually went there for - the bread. The same applies when there isn't a salesperson, one of those automatic checkouts. If I buy the same loaf of bread but replace the sales person with a machine am I still there for attention?

we're gonna have to wait to settle that one until the first robot camgirl hits the sites, jupiter :-D

 

[Anonymous]

we're gonna have to wait to settle that one until the first robot camgirl hits the sites, jupiter :-D

When a guy on Streamate enters my chat asking if I'm real/if it's live, I do some robot motions with my arms and say in a robot voice "This...is a...recording...this...is not...live...I repeat...this...is a...recording....." :-D