Tip etiquette

[HotRod556]

GOLD SHOWS

1. Yes you absolutely should tip at gold shows. The model is given people that may not be able to pay for pvt/exc time. A chance to see it for a great price. Like 3 dollars for 7 mins. And they fucking kick ass. This is a SM thing. The proper way to thank the model for this is to tip as you are enjoying the show. If you are in a room and don’t join gold show why the fuck are you there. Plus why in the fuck do you think a model should even chat with you if you don’t buy in. Models should never have a problem. Hitting their goal or the amount to start show. They had to earn the right just to have option in there room. And from 3 to 10 gold you get exc chat show. For way less than by minute show. So fucking tip. And its a group show making request don’t fit here. And why the fuck should she. Your getting hell of a deal. And think you get to run show too. Maybe tip big if you really want to try to see her do what your asking
CHAT ROOMS
1. If you want to see anything. You should tip 5 to 15 dollars. Before you ask her. “Please can I see tits”. Not “let me see tits” Then wait for her to say “flash for 10 request for 5”

Most models have a list for any dumb mother fucker. That ask for something without tipping. I was in a room with a sexy,funny model. And every time a new dick head would enter the room. And the asshole would request something. And she’d say “request for 5 gold”. Then nothing from asshole.

2. If you are into just watching. Like you just enjoy creeping in the room without chatting. You should tip 5 as soon as you get in. And keep 5 coming every five to 8 minutes. Fuck it’s creepy to be in room and not chat. And that shit is out of control an CB. And they do all kind of shit in there. And maybe 10% is tipping. And the rest of you cheap fuckheads are getting free show. Only reason free chat is set up like that. Is so the traffic to look better. So truth is maybe 15% is paying traffic. And rest are just sorry fucks freeloading.

3. Don’t just chat on and on. Without tipping. If you like chatting. And it’s not some dumb shit. Try to go for 15 minutes and up in paid chat. Then hang and chat. Also tip some. If chat is dumb you need to tip a lot more and spend more time in paid chat. Who the fuck want to go a long with your dumb ass shit. When you are not spending. Go find chat rooms for that shit. We like to see tits and ass with our chat. And if you are not putting in on tips. I don’t want you to see the pro twerk ass she is doing for us. She doesn’t want to read your fucked up chat with how hot her ass is. She fucking knows it’s hot. That’s why people are tipping. Dumb ass! So put out or get out. Fuck!

4. Read the goddamn profile. nine out of ten times the model will have every thing she is into. And what she is not into. Also helpful information about pvt/exc chat. And every answer to all your Goddamn fucked up questions and fantasies. And being the guy that ask all that shit and not going in exc after she answered. A big fuck you from me for her. Stop wasting her damn time with your lame fucking ass. Also asking about anal and not having money for anal is fucking rude. And you better be tipping for all the answers you are getting. Because you are to fucking stupid to look at the profile first.

So this really needs to start happening. I’ve seen very entertaining models with a crowd of people in her room. And the tips are not happening. Always a few assholes wanting free flashes or request.
And bet your ass these fuckers will hang out until someone comes in and tips for titts. They get a free look. Maybe my mom just raise me better. And I enjoy being polite to ladies. But damn get it together.

I’ve been on Chaturbate. And rooms with 800 and even 1700 people in there. God damn what the fuck are yall doing? That many people and a tip here and there.

I should have to mute the sound because it is non stop tip noise. But nope. And even the chat board wasn’t that busy. Fucked up man. And if you don’t know this. Most cam sites only pay out 25%. So that is only 25 cents out of dollar the model got.

And if everyone would tip and play like you are supposed too. It would be fine. This behavior doesn’t go well in strip clubs. The girls won’t hangout and flirt with an asshole who is only buying drinks and looking at free tits and ass.

But the cam models can’t leave and go to the tippers. They have to stay there and repeat the same fucking shit over and over. Please tip for flash, request or whatever.

And fuck you bunch assholes. You know good goddamn and well you are here to fucking tip. I’m trying to enjoy the shit out of what she is talking about. Not having to hear her repeat shit. To a bunch cheap ass. No respect having bitches. That should be watching free porn and not in our kick ass cam rooms. Hell each model should have a cover charge just to keep you fuckers out.

And if what I said hurt your cheap ass feelings. Please stop by my chat room on SM. And I’ll bend over and you can kiss my hairy asshole. And don’t worry I will not expect a tip

 

[SMuser69]

It's the models job to sell her gold show to people in the room. If people aren't join a gold show either;

1. She set an unrealistic goal.
2. Unclear or uninteresting show offer
3. She looks like she's isn't into it herself before the show starts.
4. She's a show spammer so nobody has faith the show will ever start.

If a girl isn't making money SHE is at fault. Camgirls aren't victims they are business owners.

I'm only address the SM stuff I don't know enough about how Chaturbate is supposed to work to make a comment.

And consider if you removed all the swearing from your threads you could cut down on a considerable amount of text and make your points more concise. Adding emotion to your point doesn't increase or decrease it's validity in a conversation. Also general forum etiquette is you start a new thread with a question to begin conversation not a statement to be challenged or validated.

 

[AerynShade]

Most cam sites only pay out 25%. So that is only 25 cents out of dollar the model got.

While I found this fucking post, on the goddamn whole, a delightful fucking read... this part is hella inaccurate.
MFC pays upwards of 60% of the token price, and models receive 5 cents per token.
CB pays about 50% (last I checked) of the token price, and models again receive 5 cents per token.
SM pays 35% (30% for some countries). No token conversion. Just 35 cents per dollar spent.

If you're only earning 25% on any of these motherfuckers then you're with a studio and are probably getting screwed out of your earnings.

 

[Phoenix4987]

Most of the active members who post on ACF have no problem paying their favorite girl(s) and so your advice will mostly fall on deaf ears. You don't have to develop white knight syndrome and make "advice" posts every time there's a eureka moment in your head. You'll neither gain special favor with the models you visit or the ones who post here. And if someone isn't a tipping member and more of a lurker, reading this thread isn't likely to suddenly spur a change in their behavior.

 

[MFCGod]

This was a really long post just to say "I'm not like these other guys"

 

[SaffronBurke]

You'll neither gain special favor with the models you visit or the ones who post here.

He's actually starting to really annoy some of us, especially with the false information and assuming his opinion is fact/everyone's preference. Those two things are so common with the dudes who love sharing their "advice" and it's kinda irritating.

 

[HotRod556]

It's the models job to sell her gold show to people in the room. If people aren't join a gold show either;

1. She set an unrealistic goal.
2. Unclear or uninteresting show offer
3. She looks like she's isn't into it herself before the show starts.
4. She's a show spammer so nobody has faith the show will ever start.

If a girl isn't making money SHE is at fault. Camgirls aren't victims they are business owners.

I'm only address the SM stuff I don't know enough about how Chaturbate is supposed to work to make a comment.

And consider if you removed all the swearing from your threads you could cut down on a considerable amount of text and make your points more concise. Adding emotion to your point doesn't increase or decrease it's validity in a conversation. Also general forum etiquette is you start a new thread with a question to begin conversation not a statement to be challenged or

Hopefully people will find humor in the post. And it is what goes through my head a lot of the time. When I'm in a room. I see your point about swearing and how to start thread.

It is unrealistic to think people will start tipping this way. But would be nice because I want the cam girls driving new Mercedes-Benz with pays to get off and your judgement reminds me to check my bank account balance.

 

[HotRod556]

While I found this fucking post, on the goddamn whole, a delightful fucking read... this part is hella inaccurate.
MFC pays upwards of 60% of the token price, and models receive 5 cents per token.
CB pays about 50% (last I checked) of the token price, and models again receive 5 cents per token.
SM pays 35% (30% for some countries). No token conversion. Just 35 cents per dollar spent.

If you're only earning 25% on any of these motherfuckers then you're with a studio and are probably getting screwed out of your earnings.

It sounded better to me to go with the low payout. Then maybe someone would consider tipping more or look into it. Mainly just funny thing I want to say when in a room that has people doing this.

 

[AerynShade]

It sounded better to me to go with the low payout. Then maybe someone would consider tipping more or look into it. Mainly just funny thing I want to say when in a room that has people doing this.

The members who don't tip* aren't going to be shamed into tipping just by being told the model only makes a low percentage of tips. Because they aren't tipping anyway. Because they're fuckmushrooms.

It's more helpful to chat about fun engaging things (in social rooms) and tip when you're having a good time. I know it's insanely frustrating to watch models struggle or see hundreds in a room with only a few tippers, but you gotta let the model handle it.
Would you want random members heckling the viewers in your room for not doing enough? I'm sure there are some models who want that, but I think most of us here don't generally.

I do agree with a lot of your post though. If there was one thing that would make me less frustrated on cam it would be if members took 30 seconds to look at my profile.

*By "don't tip" I mean never or almost never. Not just didn't tip that day.

 

[HotRod556]

The members who don't tip* aren't going to be shamed into tipping just by being told the model only makes a low percentage of tips. Because they aren't tipping anyway. Because they're fuckmushrooms.

It's more helpful to chat about fun engaging things (in social rooms) and tip when you're having a good time. I know it's insanely frustrating to watch models struggle or see hundreds in a room with only a few tippers, but you gotta let the model handle it.
Would you want random members heckling the viewers in your room for not doing enough? I'm sure there are some models who want that, but I think most of us here don't generally.

I do agree with a lot of your post though. If there was one thing that would make me less frustrated on cam it would be if members took 30 seconds to look at my profile.

*By "don't tip" I mean never or almost never. Not just didn't tip that day.

I don't say what I'm thinking to viewers in her room. I have said something about the free request stuff. But so is the others in room. And your right I guess most people won't care about how much goes to model. And definitely if not a tipper in first place. But the people who request stuff for free is the most annoying to me. And it happens all the time.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I don't say what I'm thinking to viewers in her room. I have said something about the free request stuff.

That's the model's job, yo. Most people - viewers and models alike - would prefer that viewers annoyed by this either lead by example (someone's asking for boobs? Tip for butt!) or zip it.

 

[fandango]

This thread is like me taking my school science fair project along to NASA and trying to tell them all about my rocket science discoveries and expecting them to be impressed.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Most cam sites only pay out 25%. So that is only 25 cents out of dollar the model got.

MFC pays upwards of 60% of the token price, and models receive 5 cents per token.

This is one of the things most members don't seem to get; the percentage a model gets. Mostly because they never think about fees and such. MFC and other sites are like TicketMaster. Yes, that Big Bad Voodoo Daddy ticket costs $25. But with the extra fees you're paying $37.25. After they take their fees out of that $37.25 the rest all goes to the artist, just like they negotiated.

No one ever said you're giving a model $20 when you buy that 200 token package. You are paying MFC fees to handle the transaction. At that low of a token package, or ticket, you pay them $10 in fees. Then you have $10 left in your account to give to whomever you want. At that point she gets 100% of everything you give her. If you agree to buy the more expensive tickets, MFC charges you less fees.

At no time is MFC taking a percentage from the model. She gets all of it that you tip. You just agreed to pay extra fees up front for them to handle the transaction. What is so hard for members to understand about that?


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@AerynShade this wasn't really directed at you. I just included your quote since you also commented on the pricing.

 

[SMuser69]

This is one of the things most members don't seem to get; the percentage a model gets. Mostly because they never think about fees and such. MFC and other sites are like TicketMaster. Yes, that Big Bad Voodoo Daddy ticket costs $25. But with the extra fees you're paying $37.25. After they take their fees out of that $37.25 the rest all goes to the artist, just like they negotiated.

No one ever said you're giving a model $20 when you buy that 200 token package. You are paying MFC fees to handle the transaction. At that low of a token package, or ticket, you pay them $10 in fees. Then you have $10 left in your account to give to whomever you want. At that point she gets 100% of everything you give her. If you agree to buy the more expensive tickets, MFC charges you less fees.

At no time is MFC taking a percentage from the model. She gets all of it that you tip. You just agreed to pay extra fees up front for them to handle the transaction. What is so hard for members to understand about that?


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@AerynShade this wasn't really directed at you. I just included your quote since you also commented on the pricing.

Even if the member knows that real percentage should they need to care about it? Being a SM client I'm very well aware of their crappy cut, if they're smart they can switch regulars to direct billing methods and that's no longer an issue. The fee is for convenience the model is enjoying by first accessing the members on that site and for handling their money safely but nothing stops them from doing that themselves. When I'm giving a model $20 I'm actually giving her $20 but it takes risk and trust before that situation can happen.

 

[AudriTwo]

Lol sounds like someone REALLY wanted to watch a gold show and no one was tipping.

 

[Entertainer33]

This is one of the things most members don't seem to get; the percentage a model gets. Mostly because they never think about fees and such. MFC and other sites are like TicketMaster. Yes, that Big Bad Voodoo Daddy ticket costs $25. But with the extra fees you're paying $37.25. After they take their fees out of that $37.25 the rest all goes to the artist, just like they negotiated.

No one ever said you're giving a model $20 when you buy that 200 token package. You are paying MFC fees to handle the transaction. At that low of a token package, or ticket, you pay them $10 in fees. Then you have $10 left in your account to give to whomever you want. At that point she gets 100% of everything you give her. If you agree to buy the more expensive tickets, MFC charges you less fees.

At no time is MFC taking a percentage from the model. She gets all of it that you tip. You just agreed to pay extra fees up front for them to handle the transaction. What is so hard for members to understand about that?


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@AerynShade this wasn't really directed at you. I just included your quote since you also commented on the pricing.

To be honest, it's easier for me, value wise, to just remember that the site I'm mostly on, MFC, gives a nickel per token. I see each token as me literally dropping a nickel onto the virtual counter of a model's sexy times shop. Keeps things in perspective and keeps expectations realistic.

 

[NoelleBright]

Even if the member knows that real percentage should they need to care about it? Being a SM client I'm very well aware of their crappy cut, if they're smart they can switch regulars to direct billing methods and that's no longer an issue. The fee is for convenience the model is enjoying by first accessing the members on that site and for handling their money safely but nothing stops them from doing that themselves. When I'm giving a model $20 I'm actually giving her $20 but it takes risk and trust before that situation can happen.

So tell me again how it's a smart decision to pull customers off site?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, taking shows on SM instead of trying to drag your customers away from the site is the smartest decision. It increases your $ per hour and your % in paid chat, which in turn boosts your placement which leads to increased earnings overall.
Not to mention the fact that when a customer gets pulled off site he expects to be able to pay the model her cut directly, so she's not earning any more, he's just paying less and she's losing out of the benefits of taking the show on site.

If we REALLY wanna get down to it, it's best to bring customers to SM, not away from it. I have a pretty sizeable pool of members who I earn 75% from, in addition to getting all the placement boosts from taking the shows on site.

 

[Cwest]

Does any one else read this forum on an iPhone? I do, and when I see hotrod's profile picture I see a man with T-Rex arms about to drink from a can of beer. Just saying

 

[SMuser69]

So tell me again how it's a smart decision to pull customers off site?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, taking shows on SM instead of trying to drag your customers away from the site is the smartest decision. It increases your $ per hour and your % in paid chat, which in turn boosts your placement which leads to increased earnings overall.
Not to mention the fact that when a customer gets pulled off site he expects to be able to pay the model her cut directly, so she's not earning any more, he's just paying less and she's losing out of the benefits of taking the show on site.

If we REALLY wanna get down to it, it's best to bring customers to SM, not away from it. I have a pretty sizeable pool of members who I earn 75% from, in addition to getting all the placement boosts from taking the shows on site.

Most models are not getting 75% cut like you are. Most models are not getting on the frontpage of the site. You argument works on the concept that all girls want spend long periods of time being visible online in the first place. The only absolute fact is GIRLS WANT TO MAKE MONEY. This is the primary objective to camming. Not all girls want to be on the frontpage of ANYTHING. One of my favorite roleplay girls has two daughters and does not want people she knows finding out what she does. To her, my paying $200 for an hour and her not having to log in for the night is a great trade off. She would have to be on a few days to grind that much out on SM.

Direct billing is a negotiation, if you accept less then you get paid less. That's not a flaw to the concept that's poor negotiation. Making a defacto statement that you're losing money when you control of the value yourself doesn't make too much sense to me.

 

[Phoenix4987]

The camscore/page placement is a tradeoff for the model to consider. If all the regulars switch to paypal, then yes she may be earning more in the short term. However, given that the camscore will take a plunge from not going through the site, then she will take a hit on having a better chance to attract NEW customers and will affect her long term earnings.

 

[NoelleBright]

Most models are not getting 75% cut like you are. Most models are not getting on the frontpage of the site. You argument works on the concept that all girls want spend long periods of time being visible online in the first place. The only absolute fact is GIRLS WANT TO MAKE MONEY. This is the primary objective to camming. Not all girls want to be on the frontpage of ANYTHING. One of my favorite roleplay girls has two daughters and does not want people she knows finding out what she does. To her, my paying $200 for an hour and her not having to log in for the night is a great trade off. She would have to be on a few days to grind that much out on SM.

Direct billing is a negotiation, if you accept less then you get paid less. That's not a flaw to the concept that's poor negotiation. Making a defacto statement that you're losing money when you control of the value yourself doesn't make too much sense to me.

ALL models have the ability to get the 75% cut, whether or not they are taking advantage of it properly is none of my concern.
You're using your experience with one model and making blanket assumptions about many models over it. MOST models would prefer higher placement, MOST models want to be on the front page, why? Because as you said, GIRLS WANT TO MAKE MONEY, and that is where the money is located. I can assure you that 99% of the models floundering on page 3 would like to be on the front page instead.

Also, keep in mind that this:

The fee is for convenience the model is enjoying by first accessing the members on that site and for handling their money safely but nothing stops them from doing that themselves.

Is not true. There are very strict rules in place that prevent models on SM from bringing members off site and exchanging any sort of contact info. Models get suspended and banned on SM for this every day.
They even go so far as to monitor the videos we send out to make sure we aren't giving our contact info out on the down low.

 

[paige_orion]

Yeah, for a member to advocate a girl taking her customers off of SM.... If you truly have the model's well-being in mind, as well as her ability to make the most money, I would think you would be against any avenue that could get her fired. Most models like to be able to work for their chosen website. And SM is SUPER strict about pulling customers off of their website. It's not something that they just frown upon, it isn't something they close their eyes to. They actively check to make sure no one is trying to contact members off-site, and they'll ban you in a heartbeat if they catch you.

If you really want to look out for your favorite models, and you're not actually just putting your selfish-boners first.... Pay the model through her chosen medium. It's pretty disrespectful to try to convince a model to put her entire job in jeopardy just because you want to pay a little less. If you want a model to make more money... Don't suggest something that can get her fired and ruin the chances of making ANY money on her chosen site.

 

[SMuser69]

ALL models have the ability to get the 75% cut, whether or not they are taking advantage of it properly is none of my concern.
You're using your experience with one model and making blanket assumptions about many models over it. MOST models would prefer higher placement, MOST models want to be on the front page, why? Because as you said, GIRLS WANT TO MAKE MONEY, and that is where the money is located. I can assure you that 99% of the models floundering on page 3 would like to be on the front page instead.

Also, keep in mind that this:

Is not true. There are very strict rules in place that prevent models on SM from bringing members off site and exchanging any sort of contact info. Models get suspended and banned on SM for this every day.
They even go so far as to monitor the videos we send out to make sure we aren't giving our contact info out on the down low.

I used one model for example this doesn't mean it's the sole experience in this situation since direct billing is a normal method for me. How do you argue what I mention is a blanket then make another blanket statement in response, "Most models would prefer higher placement"? The money is located in the customer and the customer can go anywhere they wish on the sites. The methods of getting that money is the debate. I'm just mentioning another avenue. Does being on the frontpage have an advantage on SM? If you're getting enough from customers does it really matter?

I don't think I've ever said there no risk involved. YES getting in trouble with the site is a huge risk. There's huge safety in the sites compared to dealing directly at all with a client.

What a girl should strive for is completely up to her. Reciting camscore as mantra to success when there are plenty of cases of non frontpage girls that are financially successful. Being on the frontpage of SM is a 30/2000 chance.

 

[NoelleBright]

I used one model for example this doesn't mean it's the sole experience in this situation since direct billing is a normal method for me. How do you argue what I mention is a blanket then make another blanket statement in response, "Most models would prefer higher placement"? The money is located in the customer and the customer can go anywhere they wish on the sites. The methods of getting that money is the debate. I'm just mentioning another avenue. Does being on the frontpage have an advantage on SM? If you're getting enough from customers does it really matter?

I don't think I've ever said there no risk involved. YES getting in trouble with the site is a huge risk. There's huge safety in the sites compared to dealing directly at all with a client.

What a girl should strive for is completely up to her. Reciting camscore as mantra to success when there are plenty of cases of non frontpage girls that are financially successful. Being on the frontpage of SM is a 30/2000 chance.

My blanket statement is much more accurate, that's why.

You're making a lot of bold statements for someone without experience as a model on SM. YES front page has a huge advantage, even moving up a single row has a huge advantage.

You can think models taking members off site on Streamate is a good decision all you want, but don't tout it as the "smart" one when it certainly is anything but. Your $200 is a drop in the bucket compared to all she would lose out on by getting kicked off the site entirely.

 

[SMuser69]

Yeah, for a member to advocate a girl taking her customers off of SM.... If you truly have the model's well-being in mind, as well as her ability to make the most money, I would think you would be against any avenue that could get her fired. Most models like to be able to work for their chosen website. And SM is SUPER strict about pulling customers off of their website. It's not something that they just frown upon, it isn't something they close their eyes to. They actively check to make sure no one is trying to contact members off-site, and they'll ban you in a heartbeat if they catch you.

If you really want to look out for your favorite models, and you're not actually just putting your selfish-boners first.... Pay the model through her chosen medium. It's pretty disrespectful to try to convince a model to put her entire job in jeopardy just because you want to pay a little less. If you want a model to make more money... Don't suggest something that can get her fired and ruin the chances of making ANY money on her chosen site.

Again How do you know someone pays less? Would you not negotiate MORE if you are taking risk? What gun is going to anyone's head? Is SM beating camgirls in the street and I don't know about it? What's disrespectful is not accepting NO for an answer, posing a question in itself is business. If someone asks you to leave your office early YOU COULD GET FIRED too, does that stop some people from asking or doing it? Everyone gets to make their own decisions everyone has to deal with the consequences of their actions. If you don't want to do it THEN DON'T DO IT.

If the models chosen medium is direct billing then what's your argument? You honestly think ONLY members suggest this method first?

 

[AerynShade]

What's disrespectful is not accepting NO for an answer, posing a question in itself is business.

Actually, posing the question could get you kicked off SM, and if the model doesn't explicitly say no, and maybe even type it as well get her suspended/banned.

 

[SMuser69]

Actually, posing the question could get you kicked off SM, and if the model doesn't explicitly say no, and maybe even type it as well get her suspended/banned.

This isn't a discussion of what is a correct or incorrect method to approach this issue. The risks are very clear regarding it. This is discussion is about the advantage/disadvantage once you enter successfully into the situation. This is not a lecture of, "How to do this right". I'm not teaching people how to breath fire just saying that some people find being able to do it rewarding.

 

[paige_orion]

Again How do you know someone pays less? Would you not negotiate MORE if you are taking risk? What gun is going to anyone's head? Is SM beating camgirls in the street and I don't know about it? What's disrespectful is not accepting NO for an answer, posing a question in itself is business. If someone asks you to leave your office early YOU COULD GET FIRED too, does that stop some people from asking or doing it? Everyone gets to make their own decisions everyone has to deal with the consequences of their actions. If you don't want to do it THEN DON'T DO IT.

If the models chosen medium is direct billing then what's your argument? You honestly think ONLY members suggest this method first?

Aeryn is right. If you know that simply ASKING the model can result in her being suspended... Then why in the world would you even ask? The way that you are answering keeps implying that you seem to think you have the model's best interest at heart... When everyone can see that you clearly don't. If you care about something, if you want someone to truly do something in their best interest, you wouldn't WANT them to risk their jobs and careers just so you can pay less.

By all means, keep asking models to pay through methods that can risk their jobs, even though direct methods have been proven to be more easily reversed - a double risk. If you want to pay less, keep asking. But don't pretend that you are doing it for the model's own good. That you truly have their best interest at heart. Everyone here can see right through that.

If the models pose the question themselves, that is their risk. That is their right. But that's not what I am seeing from your posts. I am seeing a member trying to convince a model to take the business off site, under the thin guise of being for their own good, when really, it's not. It's for their own cheap selfishness. By posing the question, you are endangering their business, their livelihood. And there is nothing altruistic about that. You don't care about them. You don't care about what they make, or you would never DREAM of asking them to sacrifice it all. You care about yourself. Your wallet. Your dick. Not them.

I don't care what models choose to do. But in an area where new models come to seek advice, we models can't really sit back and say that it's a good idea, like you claim it is. If you KNOW that your question is putting the model at risk and you still are asking them to do so, then you are not a good person and you aren't looking out for the models. You are looking out for you and you don't care that they lose everything, as long as you get cheaper rates.

When so many models are in a thread saying that it's a bad idea... I would listen to the models, not the members who don't care what you risk and what you lose, as long as they don't have to pay as much.

Seriously, new models. Don't do this. Please don't do this. It is a bad idea if you are on SM. Don't listen to members who don't have your best interests at heart.

 

[NoelleBright]

If the models chosen medium is direct billing then what's your argument? You honestly think ONLY members suggest this method first?

If a models chosen medium is direct billing she should probably be pulling her customers off of sites that allow it. Twitter, tumblr, literally any other site where she can advertise indie. Her chosen medium isn't allowed to be direct billing on SM because she has no choice. She signed the contract and agreed to the terms. Tough titty.

Some models choosing to make a bad decision doesn't suddenly make it "smart".

 

[SMuser69]

Aeryn is right. If you know that simply ASKING the model can result in her being suspended... Then why in the world would you even ask? The way that you are answering keeps implying that you seem to think you have the model's best interest at heart... When everyone can see that you clearly don't. If you care about something, if you want someone to truly do something in their best interest, you wouldn't WANT them to risk their jobs and careers just so you can pay less.

By all means, keep asking models to pay through methods that can risk their jobs, even though direct methods have been proven to be more easily reversed - a double risk. If you want to pay less, keep asking. But don't pretend that you are doing it for the model's own good. That you truly have their best interest at heart. Everyone here can see right through that.

If the models pose the question themselves, that is their risk. That is their right. But that's not what I am seeing from your posts. I am seeing a member trying to convince a model to take the business off site, under the thin guise of being for their own good, when really, it's not. It's for their own cheap selfishness. By posing the question, you are endangering their business, their livelihood. And there is nothing altruistic about that. You don't care about them. You don't care about what they make, or you would never DREAM of asking them to sacrifice it all. You care about yourself. Your wallet. Your dick. Not them.

I don't care what models choose to do. But in an area where new models come to seek advice, we models can't really sit back and say that it's a good idea, like you claim it is. If you KNOW that your question is putting the model at risk and you still are asking them to do so, then you are not a good person and you aren't looking out for the models. You are looking out for you and you don't care that they lose everything, as long as you get cheaper rates.

When so many models are in a thread saying that it's a bad idea... I would listen to the models, not the members who don't care what you risk and what you lose, as long as they don't have to pay as much.

Seriously, new models. Don't do this. Please don't do this. It is a bad idea if you are on SM. Don't listen to members who don't have your best interests at heart.

I completely agree this is serious and nobody should be doing anything that you can't accept the consequences for. Also AGAIN why you do think models don't ask member this themselves? Why in your mind are member tyrants and models victims? Not accepting this isn't a single sided situation and YES model do make these suggestions themselves on occasion.

I do agree this is going off topic into a discussion in itself and it is way dangerous considering new model would see this long before they get access to your special area. So I won't comment further on this. I am disappointed character assassination and judgement were the weapons of choice rather than good points.