The Jenna Jameson of camgirls?

[rwesmill]

A good analogy that affects me, personally, is two guys at work. One of them got in good with another guy who happens to be in good with someone high up in the company. They both got some MAJOR raises in the past few weeks. The guy in good with the higher up got something like a $6/hour raise (making him the highest paid employee on the floor), and the guy who is in good with him got almost a $3/hour raise. Meanwhile, the guy I work with and myself have gotten nothing, even though for the past few weeks we've been not only doing our jobs, but the jobs of other people, as well; and we consistently outperform our normal job requirements every day. So, needless to say, there is some bitterness there, just like how Brina or Oliva would have some major bitterness if Jenna just jumps to #1 in the next week or so and stays there the rest of the month.

I'm not sure I see the parallels. The example from your workplace is nepotism, pure and simple. I can see why that would irk someone. But the thing with Jenna (at least as I understand it) is completely different.

If Jenna can make more money in 30 hours than the next highest tipped model can make in 200 hours, she deserves to be Miss MFC. It seems really reductive to say "she's only being tipped because she's famous". It completely ignores the fact that she's spent the last 20 years working hard to make a name for herself. Why shouldn't she use the celebrity that she's worked hard to attain, to make money for herself?

I can't quite put my finger on why I find it distasteful. I see how hard all these other models work, and it seems unfair, that's all. It sets off bells and whistles on my Injustice Alarm.

Clearly, it's just something to do for her--she's a dilettante, it seems. To me, it's sort of like if Wal-Mart decided to move into a small town, put a bunch of mom and pop stores out of business just because it could, and then close their store and move on. Sure, they can do it, and if the public wants to spend their money there at the expense of their neighbors, they will. But that doesn't make it any less of a douchebag thing to do. She's on MFC fucking around with other people's livelihoods just because she can, or because she's bored, as she clearly either a.) doesn't need the money or b.) could make money/get publicity in a hundred other ways that don't stomp on "little guys" (or gals) who are trying to earn a living. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions/making unfair assumptions, but I can't deny that it sticks in my gut a little. At least taking "Miss MFC" off the table would, to my mind, even the scales a bit.

It seems nobody else thinks of it this way, and I realize it's not even necessarily a rational conclusion to arrive at. But I've seen this kind of thing happen in other jobs SO many times that it bugs me on an emotional level. Obviously, the models aren't bothered by it, so I guess my misgivings are irrelevant.

I think the biggest flaw in your parallels is that mfc is a completely free reign market. There are no 'job qualifications,' or performance quotas like in a real workplace environment. Sure, some girls may have quotas set by their studios, but on a broader level girls set their own hours and this is considered freelance work.

However, you could apply your same argument to virtually any other girl other than Jenna. You think girls who put in 4 to 6 hour days and still struggle to maintain a 2000 score clip think it's fair that any girl in the top 100 can basically make that same amount in a fraction of the time? What about the ones that barely hover at a 500 score who view girls with 2000 score in the same light?

It may be a girls looks, her personality, her reputation outside mfc (be it modeling, etc) that earns her a higher camscore than her counterpart, but that's not to say she is any less entitled to those tokens than the next lady.

Let me put it to you this way...members will spend their tokens how they like. No member is 'forced' to throw their tokens at Jenna as opposed to any other model on the site. That's called free-will. Now, if Jenna earned a particular members' tokens over a competing model based off her looks/personality/industry stardom then that is in no way her fault, and she should not be penalized whatsoever. To imply members should somehow toss their tokens towards other more 'deserving' models seems more like a sympathy gesture rather than one of genuine merit.

Figuring the rules should somehow be altered for a girl of her status is a completely moot concept. In reality, she's done more for this 'adult industry' than all the girls on mfc combined, and was doing movies back when a lot of these girls in the top 10 were still a developing fetus or not yet conceived.

One could even argue that without girls like Jenna, the 'porn industry' and such sites as MFC would not be what they are or as lucrative as they are. Heck, they might not even exist. Paved the way, as they say.

 

[Sevrin]

and was doing movies back when a lot of these girls in the top 10 were still a developing fetus or not yet conceived.

She's only 39. I think it's safe to say that most of the top 10 were already on solid food when Jenna started.

 

[zippypinhead]

I don't think I'd be too willing to cry over the woes of a woman who has made five figures in a month in order to hit #2. This is an issue of bragging rights, not economics.

At any rate, all this talk about Top 10 is pure conjecture until she actually breaks into it.

 

[mynameisbob84]

A good analogy that affects me, personally, is two guys at work. One of them got in good with another guy who happens to be in good with someone high up in the company. They both got some MAJOR raises in the past few weeks. The guy in good with the higher up got something like a $6/hour raise (making him the highest paid employee on the floor), and the guy who is in good with him got almost a $3/hour raise. Meanwhile, the guy I work with and myself have gotten nothing, even though for the past few weeks we've been not only doing our jobs, but the jobs of other people, as well; and we consistently outperform our normal job requirements every day. So, needless to say, there is some bitterness there, just like how Brina or Oliva would have some major bitterness if Jenna just jumps to #1 in the next week or so and stays there the rest of the month.

I'm not sure I see the parallels. The example from your workplace is nepotism, pure and simple. I can see why that would irk someone. But the thing with Jenna (at least as I understand it) is completely different.

If Jenna can make more money in 30 hours than the next highest tipped model can make in 200 hours, she deserves to be Miss MFC. It seems really reductive to say "she's only being tipped because she's famous". It completely ignores the fact that she's spent the last 20 years working hard to make a name for herself. Why shouldn't she use the celebrity that she's worked hard to attain, to make money for herself?

I can't quite put my finger on why I find it distasteful. I see how hard all these other models work, and it seems unfair, that's all. It sets off bells and whistles on my Injustice Alarm.

Clearly, it's just something to do for her--she's a dilettante, it seems. To me, it's sort of like if Wal-Mart decided to move into a small town, put a bunch of mom and pop stores out of business just because it could, and then close their store and move on. Sure, they can do it, and if the public wants to spend their money there at the expense of their neighbors, they will. But that doesn't make it any less of a douchebag thing to do. She's on MFC fucking around with other people's livelihoods just because she can, or because she's bored, as she clearly either a.) doesn't need the money or b.) could make money/get publicity in a hundred other ways that don't stomp on "little guys" (or gals) who are trying to earn a living. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions/making unfair assumptions, but I can't deny that it sticks in my gut a little. At least taking "Miss MFC" off the table would, to my mind, even the scales a bit.

It seems nobody else thinks of it this way, and I realize it's not even necessarily a rational conclusion to arrive at. But I've seen this kind of thing happen in other jobs SO many times that it bugs me on an emotional level. Obviously, the models aren't bothered by it, so I guess my misgivings are irrelevant.

I don't think this qualifies as an injustice. If it does, then there are injustices all over MFC. Is it an injustice that models who are blessed with looks that the majority of members find attractive are far more likely to succeed than models who aren't, even if the latter work harder than the former? Is it an injustice that models who make their monthly target in the first week, still cam throughout the rest of the month even though they don't need that money and are depriving other models of potential income, models who might be struggling to make enough money to pay their rent?

This is the way the free market works and it's what allows models to make huge sums of money working relatively few hours.

 

[JickyJuly]

I know, I said it wasn't a rational feeling.

But I do think it might underscore why so many models were out for her blood. They're scared. The models here on ACF, who are accomplished and successful and have been doing this a while, are not worried about Jenna and are, it seems, rather starstruck. Clearly, they're looking at it with clearer heads than I am, and than some other models are.

I do think it's unfair to categorize the models who attack Jenna as bitchy and jealous--they're terrified, which is also not rational. So maybe go easier on them instead of just stampeding to defend someone who doesn't need defending?

I think scared is the wrong word. It's ego. It's vanity. It's entitlement. Lots of girls on MFC have also been successful in porn to varying degrees. No one's trying to run them off the site. Jenna's a big name, and that can make an insecure girl who uses camming to feed her self worth feel small. Jealousy is okay. It happens, but it's not okay to pretend it's justified. LOTS of pretty well known porn girls are on Streamate (Tera Patrick, Sunny Leone, Pinky) at any given moment. It doesn't hurt anyone. Maybe your inner white knight is peeking out a little after hearing so many girls calling foul? :lol:

 

[Just Me]

I've never seen a camscore climb so quickly. I'm glad Jenna's on MFC! She has a huge fanbase and will probably bring tons of new traffic to the site. And those guys don't have their lives timed up perfectly with Jenna's schedule!

I'm sure the new guys she brings to the site will log on when she's off and wander around checking out other models that they like. Some of the biggest tippers I've seen tip a LOT of different girls... So I just don't understand why anyone can think this is a bad thing for other girls.

I think she started at a 10k camscore. Regardless, that is still quite some movement.

I agree it will only be a good thing for other models as it will drive traffic to MFC. Once the novelty and newness wears off, I can guarantee the numbers will level off. In all the time I have been on MFC some famous porn stars have come and gone and in the end they do not want to do the work that is involved to stay in the top echelon MFC models.

She started at 1k like everyone. I saw her rise to about 2600 after an hour.

I wish people would stop thinking that since she's a porn star she started at a higher camscore. It's not true, it's just a rumor.

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

 

[SexySteph]

I've never seen a camscore climb so quickly. I'm glad Jenna's on MFC! She has a huge fanbase and will probably bring tons of new traffic to the site. And those guys don't have their lives timed up perfectly with Jenna's schedule!

I'm sure the new guys she brings to the site will log on when she's off and wander around checking out other models that they like. Some of the biggest tippers I've seen tip a LOT of different girls... So I just don't understand why anyone can think this is a bad thing for other girls.

I think she started at a 10k camscore. Regardless, that is still quite some movement.

I agree it will only be a good thing for other models as it will drive traffic to MFC. Once the novelty and newness wears off, I can guarantee the numbers will level off. In all the time I have been on MFC some famous porn stars have come and gone and in the end they do not want to do the work that is involved to stay in the top echelon MFC models.

She started at 1k like everyone. I saw her rise to about 2600 after an hour.

I wish people would stop thinking that since she's a porn star she started at a higher camscore. It's not true, it's just a rumor.

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

MyCamgirl sometimes doesn't pick up new girls on their first day or so. According to mycamgirl.net my lowest ever CS was 1170 (I think) and I remember very clearly the first 2 days it was under 900.

 

[KayleePond]

I've never seen a camscore climb so quickly. I'm glad Jenna's on MFC! She has a huge fanbase and will probably bring tons of new traffic to the site. And those guys don't have their lives timed up perfectly with Jenna's schedule!

I'm sure the new guys she brings to the site will log on when she's off and wander around checking out other models that they like. Some of the biggest tippers I've seen tip a LOT of different girls... So I just don't understand why anyone can think this is a bad thing for other girls.

I think she started at a 10k camscore. Regardless, that is still quite some movement.

I agree it will only be a good thing for other models as it will drive traffic to MFC. Once the novelty and newness wears off, I can guarantee the numbers will level off. In all the time I have been on MFC some famous porn stars have come and gone and in the end they do not want to do the work that is involved to stay in the top echelon MFC models.

She started at 1k like everyone. I saw her rise to about 2600 after an hour.

I wish people would stop thinking that since she's a porn star she started at a higher camscore. It's not true, it's just a rumor.

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

MyCamgirl sometimes doesn't pick up new girls on their first day or so. According to mycamgirl.net my lowest ever CS was 1170 (I think) and I remember very clearly the first 2 days it was under 900.

Steph is right, I have a similar report on MyCamGirl!

ALSO, a bunch of people have said they witnessed first hand that she started at 1000 (I saw her right at the start of the first day and she had a score in the 1000's) so I would say it's not even a question anymore. We know the way camscore works and it makes complete sense that her score is enormous now!

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

I've never heard of that being done.

 

[Sevrin]

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

I've never heard of that being done.

I don't think there's anything left on MFC I haven't *heard* of being done. There's nothing MFC truthers won't claim to have first-hand knowledge of.

Conspiracy data point: I popped into TRJ's room yesterday in between her groups and TPs, and someone with the account "Brina_MFC" dropped a 1k tip on TRJ. No idea whether that was really Brina's account, but it was still pretty cool.

Also: I am wondering why Jenna seems to do mostly TPs. She would make a lot more doing regular privates and letting people spy. I know one very experienced model who requests a 500 tk tip for regular privates, but a 3500 tk tip for true privates, because of the extra income she gets from spying.

 

[NoelleBright]

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

I've never heard of that being done.

I don't think there's anything left on MFC I haven't *heard* of being done. There's nothing MFC truthers won't claim to have first-hand knowledge of.

Conspiracy data point: I popped into TRJ's room yesterday in between her groups and TPs, and someone with the account "Brina_MFC" dropped a 1k tip on TRJ. No idea whether that was really Brina's account, but it was still pretty cool.

Also: I am wondering why Jenna seems to do mostly TPs. She would make a lot more doing regular privates and letting people spy. I know one very experienced model who requests a 500 tk tip for regular privates, but a 3500 tk tip for true privates, because of the extra income she gets from spying.

That was really Brina. She tweeted about it. :-D

 

[Sevrin]

So, word is getting out...

People Take Jenna Jameson’s Return to Porn Personally

Jenna Jameson’s return to adult entertaining, by way of the mostly amateur cam site MyFreeCams.com (MFC), has unleashed a particularly porny blend of schadenfreude, adoration, and misogyny. It has really given some people Big Feelings, and they are Using Their Words all over the internet.

“Did you get old or did Tito fuck you up?” types MFC user cameron778.

“You are truly wonderful in every way,” gushes Dirtytricks. “Meeting you made my night tonight and you shall now forever be one of my favorite models. Thanks for being so friendly and sweet, i hope we get to know each other very well Hope youll drop by my wall and leave a comment too, id be honored. Stay sweet.”

 

[goneDude1]

Personally her appearing on MFC was not a big deal to me.
OK she's famous in the US it appears but here in Europe she ain't that big a deal.
What was/is infuriating is all the retards posting her in other models rooms :angry4:
What I did find funny when i popped in her room for 15 mins was all the ass licking models.
I guess having a "Porn" actress as your role model and inspiration sums it all up.

Nuff said :lol:

 

[Gen]

I guess having a "Porn" actress as your role model and inspiration sums it all up.

Nuff said :lol:

That's really rude and uncalled for, especially considering you're evidently okay with camming/camgirls. I have never seen one of Jenna's movies but I know she made a name for herself and built a huge brand, which is fucking impressive. It's easy to see why anyone, let alone a camgirl, would be inspired by her.

I popped into her room at the same time Jillybean did, when she was talking about leaving PMs open for models. She seemed cute and friendly and said she joined MFC because why not make some money while interacting with her fans. Props to her. I think she looks great and am sad to see so many people ripping her looks.

And I'm also in the mindset that she'll just bring more traffic. I can't really understand resenting her for being here anymore than resenting any other top 20 type model who has loads of fans and makes loads of tokens. It might be different if I felt I was in competition with her (like going for a rank or whatever) but at least for me, her looks and style are about as opposite of mine as can be, so I can't imagine her presence affecting me too much (unless I'm on at the same time during the first few weeks where everyone is rushing to see her, but I imagine afterwards she'll get regs just like everyone else).

 

[JoleneBrody]

I guess having a "Porn" actress as your role model and inspiration sums it all up.

Nuff said :lol:

That's really rude and uncalled for, especially considering you're evidently okay with camming/camgirls. I have never seen one of Jenna's movies but I know she made a name for herself and built a huge brand, which is fucking impressive. It's easy to see why anyone, let alone a camgirl, would be inspired by her.

I popped into her room at the same time Jillybean did, when she was talking about leaving PMs open for models. She seemed cute and friendly and said she joined MFC because why not make some money while interacting with her fans. Props to her. I think she looks great and am sad to see so many people ripping her looks.

And I'm also in the mindset that she'll just bring more traffic. I can't really understand resenting her for being here anymore than resenting any other top 20 type model who has loads of fans and makes loads of tokens. It might be different if I felt I was in competition with her (like going for a rank or whatever) but at least for me, her looks and style are about as opposite of mine as can be, so I can't imagine her presence affecting me too much (unless I'm on at the same time during the first few weeks where everyone is rushing to see her, but I imagine afterwards she'll get regs just like everyone else).

Pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say.
Jenna Jameson was the first, and might even still be, the only household name in porn. James Deen is coming close but even he isn't there yet.
As a business woman and adult industry trail blazer she is and should be, a huge inspiration to fellow sex workers.

I agree 100% with a previous post that without the hard work of Jenna to become that household name, the adult industry as we know it today would likely be completely different, MFC included.
If anything, her presence in the media and fame outside of the adult industry desensitized the average person a bit from an industry that before, was held in much more taboo regards.

With every hateful comment and attack on her appearance I see on twitter, I hang my head in shame for that person and the nasty black heart they must have in order to dehumanize her in such a way. To see such slut shaming and age shaming coming from fellow sex workers is deplorable and only sets us back in our efforts to become respected by society, since obviously we can't even respect each other.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Don't really get the age shaming. She looks great for a 39 year old. Or are women not supposed to be sexy at that age or something? Models prolly just mad that at 39 she still got a nicer ass than them. Seriously dat ass is amazing. Even members that aren't interested in porn stars or older women should at least check out her out if you're a fan of butts. And if you're not a fan of butts then wtf are you doing with your life.

 

[rwesmill]

I hope that is the case because it was not true in the past. All known stars started at 10k. I was also going by MyCamgirl.net is the reason I thought they might have started her at 10k.

I've never heard of that being done.

I don't think there's anything left on MFC I haven't *heard* of being done. There's nothing MFC truthers won't claim to have first-hand knowledge of.

Conspiracy data point: I popped into TRJ's room yesterday in between her groups and TPs, and someone with the account "Brina_MFC" dropped a 1k tip on TRJ. No idea whether that was really Brina's account, but it was still pretty cool.

Also: I am wondering why Jenna seems to do mostly TPs. She would make a lot more doing regular privates and letting people spy. I know one very experienced model who requests a 500 tk tip for regular privates, but a 3500 tk tip for true privates, because of the extra income she gets from spying.

That was really Brina. She tweeted about it. :-D

That is really freaking cool. Really refreshing to see a girl chasing that top spot toss a decent tip towards a fellow newcomer 'speculated' to make a run at the crown. Especially after seeing so many vindictive mfc feuds in the past.

 

[goneDude1]

That's really rude and uncalled for, especially considering you're evidently okay with camming/camgirls. I have never seen one of Jenna's movies but I know she made a name for herself and built a huge brand, which is fucking impressive. It's easy to see why anyone, let alone a camgirl, would be inspired by her.

Sorry if I offended you but that is how I see it. I looked at it in comparison to me saying Ben Dover is my role model and who I inspire to be.
I actually asked 8 guys down my local pub tonight " I see Jenna Jameson has made a come back" and not one knew who she was.
Just so you see my perspective as a European citizen that her brand and name are not that well known in this day and age here.

I don't get your point about me being ok with camming/camgirls in relevance to being someones role model tho ?
Unless it means I must be into everything "Adult" outside of MFC
I do have a inclination for Reddi Whip :whistle:

 

[Gen]

That's really rude and uncalled for, especially considering you're evidently okay with camming/camgirls. I have never seen one of Jenna's movies but I know she made a name for herself and built a huge brand, which is fucking impressive. It's easy to see why anyone, let alone a camgirl, would be inspired by her.

Sorry if I offended you but that is how I see it. I looked at it in comparison to me saying Ben Dover is my role model and who I inspire to be.
I actually asked 8 guys down my local pub tonight " I see Jenna Jameson has made a come back" and not one knew who she was.
Just so you see my perspective as a European citizen that her brand and name are not that well known in this day and age here.

I don't get your point about me being ok with camming/camgirls in relevance to being someones role model tho ?
Unless it means I must be into everything "Adult" outside of MFC
I do have a inclination for Reddi Whip :whistle:

What I take issue with is your idea that it's a bad thing to look up to a porn actress. Particuarly, as you said, camgirls looking up to her.

Even if she isn't as big of a deal in Europe, she's a huge force in porn, and is super well known within the industry. Thus, it makes sense that camgirls would know her. Because of all she's accomplished, it also makes sense that a lot of us would look up to her.

I don't mean that just because you like MFC you must like everything adult, rather that it surprises me to see judgment or derision towards a porn actress when you're okay with camgirls. Porn and camming intersect so much -- many camgirls have been in porn, many porn stars have cammed. To me it seems weird to think poorly of one and not the other, I guess.

Again, it seems logical that a lot of camgirls would look up to a very successful person in our industry. Whether you like Jenna, or porn, she's accomplished a lot and I think it's rude to mock or deride girls who look up to that. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sevrin]

Just so you see my perspective as a European citizen that her brand and name are not that well known in this day and age here.

It doesn't take any heightened powers of perception to realize that, whatever you and your pub buddies may or may not know about this person, a lot of people, including cam models, have a pretty high opinion of Jenna Jameson, and that many more are fans to some extent. With that in mind, coming here with your nose in the air shitting all over her because she is a porn actress is just rude.

 

[zippypinhead]

But his pub buddies are EXPERTS. They're the fucking Richard Blackwells of coochie! They are the tastemakers! They are the trendsetters! A new starlet hits the scene, and the world waits with bated breath to see what Mate_'s mates have to say. They know, man. They KNOW.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I'll just say, that I take more issue with Mates opinion of any person who DOES look up to her... because she's a porn actress. Like who we look up to determines our intelligence and worth WHILE he acknowledges ignorance of her accomplishments.

You basically devalued every single sex workers intelligence who admires Jenna, and I really hate to say it... slut shamed.

I'm not one to over use these titles but I kinda can't help it here, it's what you did. And you are WRONG and admit your own ignorance, yet you still did it.

It is extremely insulting and would be no different than laughing at Amber and calling her stupid if she said she looked up to another certain model based on her work ethic, just because that work ethic involves sex.

 

[goneDude1]

With that in mind, coming here with your nose in the air shitting all over her because she is a porn actress is just rude.

I could understand that response if I did come in here "Shitting all over her" I expressed my opinion to comments made in Jenna's room by models and have no way been rude or disrespectful to her.

But his pub buddies are EXPERTS. They're the fucking Richard Blackwells of coochie!

I don't know who Richard Blackwell is and was just giving a example. Was that so wrong ?

You basically devalued every single sex workers intelligence who admires Jenna, and I really hate to say it... slut shamed.

There is a slight difference between admiration and modelling your life plans on a person and that comment was made slightly " tongue in cheek" at what I perceived the lemming mentality of some models and members comments that I saw. Well Jolene when I looked up Jenna's colourful lifestyle over the years it would not matter if she was a lawyer or a actress it was based on the persons actions not what her job was. Maybe I should have worded it better I don't know.

 

[yossarian]

Jenna Jameson was the first, and might even still be, the only household name in porn.

I take it you've never heard of Linda Lovelace?

 

[Sevrin]

Jenna Jameson was the first, and might even still be, the only household name in porn.

I take it you've never heard of Linda Lovelace?

Linda has been dead over 10 years, and other than star in one notorious movie did very little, to say the least, to popularize adult work or cinema.

As far as Jenna Jameson, as a role model, no one is suggesting that she, or anyone else, is perfect as a human being. It is possible for an artist to want to emulate Picasso without adopting his almost compulsive sexual infidelity. Jenna set a high standard in her work, helped broaden the appeal of adult cinema, and, above all, led the way for female sex performers and showed that they could and go far beyond being fuck dolls and become very successful and powerful and central figures in the adult industry.

 

[RogueWarrior]

Jenna Jameson was the first, and might even still be, the only household name in porn.

I take it you've never heard of Linda Lovelace?

Linda has been dead over 10 years, and other than star in one notorious movie did very little, to say the least, to popularize adult work or cinema.

True. But Linda Lovelace was definitely a household name long before Jenna Jameson. Probably much more of a household name at the time.

 

[Nordling]

So was Marilyn Chambers. Way before.

 

[Sevrin]

Lovelace and Chambers are best known for being victims - not titans - of the industry. Oh, and you are forgetting Traci Lords, the only porn star whose best adult work was done while under-age! That got a fair bit of attention at the time. :roll:

"My advice to somebody who wants to go into adult films is: Absolutely not! It's heart-breaking. And it's really not ... (she searches for words, sounding emotional) ... it leaves you kind of empty. So have a day job and don't quit it."

In 1976 Chambers wanted to quit her porno day job. Cronenberg was a struggling Toronto filmmaker best known for enraging reactionary politicians because Canadian tax dollars went into his horror thriller, Shivers. That's when he cast Chambers for Rabid.

"It's interesting to think that Marilyn and I were natural allies without maybe quite knowing it," Cronenberg says about their affinity as outsiders in society. "I hadn't thought of it quite that way, obviously, but after the pounding that I got over Shivers, I must have felt that way."

Says Chambers: "That's probably what we have in common."

There is a big difference today, however. The 61-year-old Cronenberg may still be eccentric and out of the mainstream, but he is respected as one of the world's auteurs.

Chambers is still the outsider, looking in.

Inside Chambers
Porn actress Marilyn Chambers tells Bruce Kirkland how angry she is about not getting to make a major film

 

[schlmoe]

Yes, "Deep Throat" and "Behind the Green Door" were groundbreaking in the fact that both were X-Rated movies that made it to various "top grossing" movie lists (beating out many "Hollywood produced" movies).

The difference is that while both movies are iconic, Jenna Jameson is an icon. Like her or not, you can't change that fact

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Yes, "Deep Throat" and "Behind the Green Door" were groundbreaking in the fact that both were X-Rated movies that made it to various "top grossing" movie lists (beating out many "Hollywood produced" movies).

The difference is that while both movies are iconic, Jenna Jameson is an icon. Like her or not, you can't change that fact

And yet 41 years later we're still talking about Linda Lovelace. Seems like 'household name' has been confirmed.