Suggestion to ease some affiliates' anger

[lavayax]

Hi,

to whom it may concern or interest,
I'm amongst multiple groups of discussion with other webmasters & affiliates and one of the most discussed topic is "affiliate stealing". Wether it's by models or other webmasters it makes no difference.
I was wondering if it would make sense to lock a spender by his CC nnumber Hash & name and how CB should work preventing this?

I know some webmaster that actually wrote support and got their spender's back after CB realized he/she signed up under a different account.

Food for thoughts, not sure if we can come to any conclusion but I was wondering if any of you had the same problem/ had solutions?

 

[Lintilla]

Solution: become a creator instead of a leech.

I participate in affiliate programs myself, but I consider it more than fair if spenders prefer to sign up under a favourite model's link, even under a new account once they discover how the system works. Models are putting in most of the effort, are the most stigmatized and exposed and the ONLY crucial participants in this business, and for the most part are earning too little for their comparative efforts.

Get over it. Be creative and attract new signups. That's ultimately your job--helping everyone involved to bring new traffic that actually spends--not to earn a permanent passive income off of the hard work of others. Thinking otherwise is just sleazy.

Is there some value you can add above and beyond a basic affiliate link that might gain your brand some loyalty? If not, deal with the churn, I'd say. Simply being an affiliate doesn't add any value, and does not make you deserving of a lifetime cut.

 

[lavayax]

Solution: become a creator instead of a leech.

I participate in affiliate programs myself, but I consider it more than fair if spenders prefer to sign up under a favourite model's link, even under a new account once they discover how the system works. Models are putting in most of the effort, are the most stigmatized and exposed and the ONLY crucial participants in this business, and for the most part are earning too little for their comparative efforts.

Get over it. Be creative and attract new signups. That's ultimately your job--helping everyone involved to bring new traffic that actually spends--not to earn a permanent passive income off of the hard work of others. Thinking otherwise is just sleazy.

Is there some value you can add above and beyond a basic affiliate link that might gain your brand some loyalty? If not, deal with the churn, I'd say. Simply being an affiliate doesn't add any value, and does not make you deserving of a lifetime cut.

Wow thats the most stupid thing I heard in the industry.

Why don't YOU become a leech instead of a creator if you think it requires less efforts?
I now understand the anger of some when I see people with your kind of mentality.

And just to make it clear: getting signups requires efforts - and money. If the ROI becomes negative we just stop working, just like you would stop working if nobody tips you anymore.

 

[Lintilla]

Wow thats the most stupid thing I heard in the industry.

Why don't YOU become a leech instead of a creator if you think it requires less efforts?
I now understand the anger of some when I see people with your kind of mentality.

Because I think it's sleazy, I thought I said as much?

 

[lavayax]

Because I think it's sleazy, I thought I said as much?

but yet you don't mind actually getting users signing up under YOU, getting money they spend on OTHER models? who's sleazy really here?

 

[Lintilla]

but yet you don't mind actually getting users signing up under YOU, getting money they spend on OTHER models? who's sleazy really here?

You?

 

[lavayax]

You?

great mentality. An ignorant model to take off from my whitelabels. The world doesn't revolve around you mrs.

 

[xxify]

Solution: become a creator instead of a leech.

I participate in affiliate programs myself, but I consider it more than fair if spenders prefer to sign up under a favourite model's link, even under a new account once they discover how the system works. Models are putting in most of the effort, are the most stigmatized and exposed and the ONLY crucial participants in this business, and for the most part are earning too little for their comparative efforts.

Get over it. Be creative and attract new signups. That's ultimately your job--helping everyone involved to bring new traffic that actually spends--not to earn a permanent passive income off of the hard work of others. Thinking otherwise is just sleazy.

Is there some value you can add above and beyond a basic affiliate link that might gain your brand some loyalty? If not, deal with the churn, I'd say. Simply being an affiliate doesn't add any value, and does not make you deserving of a lifetime cut.

Hey, "Leech" here.
Since you clearly don't need my hard work, I'm sure you'll be happy to hear you're removed from my sites.

 

[GoddessV]

great mentality. An ignorant model to take off from my whitelabels. The world doesn't revolve around you mrs.

Damn, come here asking for help and get your lil panties in a bunch over some feedback? Not a mystery as to why you lack success.

 

[lavayax]

Damn, come here asking for help and get your lil panties in a bunch over some feedback? Not a mystery as to why you lack success.

Well I didn't ask for help. I don't mind creative feedback but that Lintilla mentality of just attacking people because she thinks she puts the work and other people are just piggy banking on her. Well, she's the one with a bigger issues.

But hey whatever. I dont mind. I'll keep doing my things, keep reporting those models actually stealing affiliates.

Once again, I'm heart-warmed by the helpfulness of certain members here.

 

[lavayax]

Is there some value you can add above and beyond a basic affiliate link that might gain your brand some loyalty? If not, deal with the churn, I'd say. Simply being an affiliate doesn't add any value, and does not make you deserving of a lifetime cut.

Just jumping back on that because its basically what's wrong in your reasonement. Going through a developer school, working years to find a way to rank websites in a way it generates money, does that make any sense to you or am I just too entitled?

fact is, models stealing affiliates is a breach of TOS. period.

What you consider fair has no value. I'm just putting an affiliate link? You're just one out of 50000 models. You're not anymore crucial than I am for CB

 

[GoddessV]

YO, THIS YOU?

Food for thoughts, not sure if we can come to any conclusion but I was wondering if any of you had the same problem/ had solutions?

Ok bro.

Well I didn't ask for help.

Yeah, keep reporting models for "stealing" but in the meantime work on your reading retention and customer service.

Curious how you can "prove" they are stealing when it as simple as following models on twitter, seeing they have an affiliate link and signing up under them. Most users have no idea they signed up under an affiliate link btw. Most see it as a way to support their favorite models.

 

[lavayax]

YO, THIS YOU?

Ok bro.


Yeah, keep reporting models for "stealing" but in the meantime work on your reading retention and customer service.

Curious how you can "prove" they are stealing when it as simple as following models on twitter, seeing they too have an affiliate link and signing up under them. Most users have no idea they signed up under an affiliate link btw.

I'm not talking about regular John Doe. I'm talking about big spenders. I don't mind losing a few spenders here and there - it's game. Once an user is logged in, even if he click on a new affilliate link, he gets redirected to the homepage, he doesn't get to make a new username everytime he clicks a link, and thats better this way.

What I'm talking about is models actually asking user to sign out, clear cookies and recreate an account. If my job is "sleazy", then what is that?

 

[InannahQoH]

What I'm talking about is models actually asking user to sign out, clear cookies and recreate an account. If my job is "sleazy", then what is that?

Hello. I'm not a model yet, still on a slow path of setting up.
But to me it sounds fair..

If the user has no loyalty to you, and a loyalty to a model... and wishes to make a new account under the model's affiliate to help them out.
Then sounds pretty normal and fair to me.

 

[lavayax]

Hello. I'm not a model yet, still on a slow path of setting up.
But to me it sounds fair..

If the user has no loyalty to you, and a loyalty to a model... and wishes to make a new account under the model's affiliate to help them out.
Then sounds pretty normal and fair to me.

Wether it's fair or not is not up to you or the models, it's up to the TOS of CB.
So you're telling me, I spend time & money building websites, I spend time & money buying trafic and converting users, but then it's "fair" to get that user gone?

Just so that we're clear here. Chaturbate has a tremendous success based on 2 things:
- Models
- Affiliation program.

If one thinks that CB would not fade out without affiliate they're mistaken. Spender that makes models money just dont fall from the sky.

I think this thread is a lost cause unfortunately since everybody thinks they deserve all the credits for their work and the work of others. I'll let Lintilla inflate her balloons, since me working full time on porn sites is not worth enough to pretend to make money.

 

[InannahQoH]

Whether it's fair or not is not up to you or the models, it's up to the TOS of CB.

Not aware of anything in the TOS stating models/affiliates, cant signup users to CB under their affiliate..

So you're telling me, I spend time & money building websites, I spend time & money buying trafic and converting users, but then it's "fair" to get that user gone?

Sure, banks for example do a tv campaign costing millions, signup the users with a new bank account.
5 mins later the bank next door signs them up with a donut.. And they are gone..

This isn't a lifetime deal and commitment or anything..
That's called retention.. If your users have no loyalty to you, and you are doing nothing to retain them.. then don't complain when they leave you and signup under someone else.

If one thinks that CB would not fade out without affiliate they're mistaken. Spender that makes models money just dont fall from the sky.

You can affiliate if you like, and retain your users, and get commission while they are under you..
or not, whatever.

Since my degree in IT is not worth enough to pretend to make money.

You only have one? I have lots of them coming out of my ass.
But still I'm appreciative that "at least for now" I'm allowed to hang around these forums to learn..

Cause most of the people on this forum, really have their shit together...
And there's lots to learn from them.

 

[GoddessV]

Geez, you must be losing all of your customers if this is happening so much it warrants this level of passion. My guess is 99% of models don't do this and didn't even know it was possible. Considering how many affiliate sites CB has, I really have a hard time believing this keeps happening as often to you are implying. My guess is you treated models on CB like you treat them here and they are getting their sweet revenge. Good for them. Plenty of other CB affiliates who are cool to talk to and don't call the models "stupid" when offered an honest opinion.

Business means having a thick skin, adapting to new trends, and finding ways to replace customers you lose every month. Every successful model knows this because it is literally how every business works.

Sorry it keeps happening to you, but have you considered becoming a model? There are SO many customers to steal. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Hoo-rah.

 

[AudriTwo]

Models lose members all the time to them moving onto other models or quitting camsites.

I also have an affiliate. I too have had big spenders that go away after some time. I don't know if it's because they signed up under a new name or they quit going to camsites. I don't own them. Time to step my pussy up and focus on new signups. Not bother support with entitlement.

 

[lavayax]

Geez, you must be losing all of your customers if this is happening so much it warrants this level of passion. My guess is 99% of models don't do this and didn't even know it was possible. Considering how many affiliate sites CB has, I really have a hard time believing this keeps happening as often to you are implying. My guess is you treated models on CB like you treat them here and they are getting their sweet revenge. Good for them. Plenty of other CB affiliates who are cool to talk to and don't call the models "stupid" when offered an honest opinion.

I'd like you to take a look back at my first message and the balloon girl answer. I came with nothing but questions and she just had a harsh, uneducated, entitled answer. And she called me sleazy.

i'm done with this never ending discussion on whos right and whos wrong. clearly people only watch out for themselves here.

 

[lavayax]

Models lose members all the time to them moving onto other models or quitting camsites.

I also have an affiliate. I too have had big spenders that go away after some time. I don't know if it's because they signed up under a new name or they quit going to camsites. I don't own them. Time to step my pussy up and focus on new signups. Not bother support with entitlement.

Spender leaving the site is one thing and it's basic churn. Spender actually creating new account as model ask them to is another.

For a second I thought models were thankful for affiliates bringing thousands of sign up everyday, but I was clearly wrong, we're not working the same side here.

But since every model in here seems to find it normal and webmaster work is leeching - guess it's time to play the same game - I guess ya'll correct.

 

[lavayax]

Not aware of anything in the TOS stating models/affiliates, cant signup users to CB under their affiliate..

1. Paying User Referrals. As used herein, a "Referred User" means an Internet user who creates a new Chaturbate user account as a result of clicking an existing Community Member's User Referral Link but not as a result of being encouraged, directed, or in any way assisted, directly or indirectly, to create a new account in order to redirect amounts which may be owed to another Community Member. Eligible Community Members will receive a commission equal to 20% of Adjusted Gross Receipts paid by each of their Referred Users to the Platform. A Referred User will not include any user who was previously banned from the Platform and who is attempting to access it using different credentials.

 

[AudriTwo]

Spender leaving the site is one thing and it's basic churn. Spender actually creating new account as model ask them to is another.

For a second I thought models were thankful for affiliates bringing thousands of sign up everyday, but I was clearly wrong, we're not working the same side here.

But since every model in here seems to find it normal and webmaster work is leeching - guess it's time to play the same game - I guess ya'll correct.

I'm thankful, but I don't appreciate entitlement. Members come and go. You can't control people doing what they want to do. Hell I have had regulars sign up through my model affiliate and I never asked them. It's their money, and if they choose to stop using your affiliate, oh well.

Step your pussy up. Focus on new signups.

 

[GoddessV]

lol, love that you assume models aren't webmasters. Most of us have multiple affiliates! I have been building sites for 20 years.... guess I am just a model lol

Agree with AudriTwo - quit your whining and get to work or our affiliate sites will outrank yours lol

 

[lavayax]

lol, love that you assume models aren't webmasters. Most of us have multiple affiliates! I have been building sites for 20 years.... guess I am just a model lol

Agree with AudriTwo - quit your whining and get to work or our affiliate sites will outrank yours lol

Fair enough.


PS (Throwing water on burning oil): I don't want to hear any model complaining that their content is stolen. Rules are either for everyone or for nobody.

 

[GoddessV]

Fair enough.


PS (Throwing water on burning oil): I don't want to hear any model complaining that their content is stolen. Rules are either for everyone or for nobody.

HAHAHA If modeling doesn't work out, try comedy. This is gold.

 

[Lintilla]

Fair enough.


PS (Throwing water on burning oil): I don't want to hear any model complaining that their content is stolen. Rules are either for everyone or for nobody.

FWIW, I have never once asked a member to rejoin via my affiliate link in my life (although some have done so without being asked). But the other thing is illegal. Not really equivalent.

 

[lavayax]

FWIW, I have never once asked a member to rejoin via my affiliate link in my life (although some have done so without being asked). But the other thing is illegal. Not really equivalent.

Depends on the country I guess. bu we suits you.

 

[Lintilla]

Depends on the country I guess. bu we suits you.

"Only three countries, Eritrea, Turkmenistan and San Marino, are said by the U.S. Copyright Office to have no copyright protection either for authors within their borders or for foreign works." Though plenty of other countries have bigger fish to fry, so some "marketers" do take advantage. So if you just want to take it on ethics: not actively poaching members vs actively misusing content? Still not on the same level.

 

[lavayax]

"Only three countries, Eritrea, Turkmenistan and San Marino, are said by the U.S. Copyright Office to have no copyright protection either for authors within their borders or for foreign works." Though plenty of other countries have bigger fish to fry, so some "marketers" do take advantage. So if you just want to take it on ethics: not actively poaching members vs actively misusing content? Still not on the same level.

I believe my problem concerns members ACTIVELY poaching users. To me its the same level IN THAT CASE. Steal my revenue, Ill steal your work.

 

[Lintilla]

I believe my problem concerns members ACTIVELY poaching users. To me its the same level IN THAT CASE. Steal my revenue, Ill steal your work.

That seems petty and like it would be ultimately counterproductive. I'd probably move on to pushing other models. You know best, I suppose.