Stoya has publicly accused James Deen of rape

[Sevrin]

I'll never understand how an abusive rapist like him turns women on.

What part of him having zero respect for females is attractive?

To be fair to his fans, he cultivated an image of being respectful toward the women he worked with.

 

[Teagan]

To be fair to his fans, he cultivated an image of being respectful toward the women he worked with.

Agreed. He worked very hard on it too. He wrote articles, gave interviews, kept in scenes where he would stop and baby the girl when it was rough and she needed a break. He played the part with master precision. He knew what to say and when to say it. So do most sociopaths just for comparison. You just learn proper social ques and how to play the part just the same.

 

[SexySteph]

I'll never understand how an abusive rapist like him turns women on.

What part of him having zero respect for females is attractive?

I met him in person and he was very polite and respectful. It's not like you can tell that someone's a rapist. If that were true no one would get raped.

 

[Guy]

Former Teen Mom star Farrah Abraham has accused James Deen of drugging and raping her http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/12/farrah-abraham-says-james-deen-raped-her.html#

 

[Teagan]

Honestly of all the women who I think would lie for attention about this it would be Farrah. I 100% do not believe her. Farrah has proven to be an attention whore at all costs and to have no shame. She loves playing the victim too. If anyone watched her on the show it was obvious how self loathing and insecure and fame hungry she always was. She needed therapy instead of plastic surgery.

I dont remember the exact details but the gist of the story was she paid Deen to film a sex tape with her. In it she called him baby 10,000 times to make it seem like they were dating. Then released it and claimed it was Deen who leaked their personal tape. Deen spoke out and said the plan all along was for her to release it for the fame of it. She desperately wanted to be a Kardashian. Then after the fact she tried saying Deen had a small dick even cause she was mad at him for not going along with her story.

So honestly what woman who was raped would then go to release a tape of them together AND make jokes saying his dick was small. Im sorry but it does not make logical sense in this case for any of that to happen. I fully feel she tried claiming rape before for attention and sympathy it gets, and I fully believe she is doing the same now and Deen just happens to be convenient right now. None of her story adds up. If im raped the last thing im doing is selling a tape of us for profit right after and talking about him in the media cracking jokes. She is so delusional she feels she was raped just cause no one went along with her "it was for personal use" cockamamie bullshit.

 

[Guy]

Honestly of all the women who I think would lie for attention about this it would be Farrah. I 100% do not believe her. Farrah has proven to be an attention whore at all costs and to have no shame. She loves playing the victim too. If anyone watched her on the show it was obvious how self loathing and insecure and fame hungry she always was. She needed therapy instead of plastic surgery.

I dont remember the exact details but the gist of the story was she paid Deen to film a sex tape with her. In it she called him baby 10,000 times to make it seem like they were dating. Then released it and claimed it was Deen who leaked their personal tape. Deen spoke out and said the plan all along was for her to release it for the fame of it. She desperately wanted to be a Kardashian. Then after the fact she tried saying Deen had a small dick even cause she was mad at him for not going along with her story.

So honestly what woman who was raped would then go to release a tape of them together AND make jokes saying his dick was small. Im sorry but it does not make logical sense in this case for any of that to happen. I fully feel she tried claiming rape before for attention and sympathy it gets, and I fully believe she is doing the same now and Deen just happens to be convenient right now. None of her story adds up. If im raped the last thing im doing is selling a tape of us for profit right after and talking about him in the media cracking jokes. She is so delusional she feels she was raped just cause no one went along with her "it was for personal use" cockamamie bullshit.

It could have happened after the whole sex tape thing.

 

[Teagan]

But they werent together though. It was an act for the film. A one night deal she paid him for. And even if they were together and dating when she sold the thing and claimed it was him who leaked it at first they certainly werent anymore. So either way when she sold it it would have been after the relationship and their contact therefore after any supposed rape. Now I am the last one not to believe a person saying they were violated by what is not a serial offender but Farrah I do not buy at all. Im sorry if she was but her actions do not say rape survivor and never have. Not that there is a set way to act afterward but i'm sure selling the tape of you with your rapist is not one of them.

 

[BritneySiren]

I didn't see the tweet when it went live but I did see someone post about it (or at least an article... I wish I still had the link though) I was background on a set he worked... he did seem cool. Though one of the girl's who came forward later I've met and is pretty rad too! I'm trying to remain impartial but... I dunno It's just all very sad. As someone whose been abused on multiple occasions it's just really upsetting. They never tell you to beware of the charming well liked guy... it's always the creepy person they tell us to stay away from when we'd probably do that anyway. I just feel really sad about this.

 

[SexySteph]

Honestly of all the women who I think would lie for attention about this it would be Farrah. I 100% do not believe her. Farrah has proven to be an attention whore at all costs and to have no shame. She loves playing the victim too. If anyone watched her on the show it was obvious how self loathing and insecure and fame hungry she always was. She needed therapy instead of plastic surgery.

That was instinctively my reaction as well and I feel monstrous for thinking it.

If she IS lying and that comes out, it's going to look awful for all the other women even if they are telling the truth (which I feel that they are).

 

[Teagan]

what is not a serial offender

to late to edit but that's supposed to say "what is now a serial offender."


And yeah I feel awful for actually questioning her but this does not add up to me. I know it was discussed here when her tape came out and all and what went down about it and it's why I dont believe her. Again if she was i'd feel terrible and be the first to eat my foot but I dont see it.

 

[weirdbr]

If she IS lying and that comes out, it's going to look awful for all the other women even if they are telling the truth (which I feel that they are).

I really hope not - as Teagan mentioned, she has a proven history of doing things for attention, while the other accusers haven't done anything remotely like that. Plus, the reports keep stacking up - over the weekend I saw yet another article talks about Deen's behaviour on set ( http://www.vocativ.com/news/256579/james-deen-new-allegations/ ), which includes a male performer/director confirming he had to once kick him out of the scene for pushing boundaries.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

Part of me feels like Farrah may just be riding the fame train some more and trying to get more attention but also at the end of that article they mentioned her alleged rape a couple years ago that she wouldn't announce the perpetrators name. While that could have just been a lie as well and this was just a coincidence that people are coming out about James and she just happened to work with him so she is now able to point a finger- part of me feels like maybe for the first time ever she isn't lying. But still at the same time, Teen Mom is my guilty pleasure and I know she is infamous for her dramatics and lies so I really don't know. If she is lying and it comes out, I feel so bad for the other victims. That will take away so much credibility with many people. If she isn't lying, my heart hurts that she is yet another victim of this disgusting situation.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Farrah is one of the most vile, ugly, idiotic people I've ever had the misfortune of being exposed to via modern media, but it seems wrong to automatically assume that she's lying. Otherwise, we're veering from "we must always support the alleged victim, even at the expense of the alleged perpetrator" to "we must always support the alleged victim, unless we don't like her, in which case it's fair game to state with certainty that she's lying".

 

[Picnic]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ed.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tldr: When asked about events specifically, James Deen says they are "inaccurate." He does admit to being an asshole to Joanna Angel when they were dating.

 

[JickyJuly]

I believe 99.999% of women who claim rape, but I don't believe Farrah either. Not because of her past, but because of her story. If you read her story in comparison to the other accusers, there are no tiny details. That's often the sign of a lie. When someone talks about an incident that they find awful and have tried not to talk about in the past, the details that haunt them most fall out whether they are integral to the story or not. You can find them in all of the other accounts, but not in hers. Also, at this point, she may feel that there is something to gain. She could be getting her foot in the door in case there is ever a civil trial against him. That translates to $.

I don't feel like a monster for disbelieving. Rape lies do occasionally happen. She could very well be part of that teeny tiny group of just crazy enough people. I agree with Steph though. It will suck if they can prove she is lying because it undermines all of the other women. Shame on her.

 

[Guy]

I believe 99.999% of women who claim rape, but I don't believe Farrah either. Not because of her past, but because of her story. If you read her story in comparison to the other accusers, there are no tiny details. That's often the sign of a lie. When someone talks about an incident that they find awful and have tried not to talk about in the past, the details that haunt them most fall out whether they are integral to the story or not. You can find them in all of the other accounts, but not in hers. Also, at this point, she may feel that there is something to gain. She could be getting her foot in the door in case there is ever a civil trial against him. That translates to $.

I don't feel like a monster for disbelieving. Rape lies do occasionally happen. She could very well be part of that teeny tiny group of just crazy enough people. I agree with Steph though. It will suck if they can prove she is lying because it undermines all of the other women. Shame on her.

She might not feel comfortable sharing the details at this point. And if she is in fact lying for money or publicity, why would she wait until a week after the last accusation?

 

[JoleneBrody]

If she hadn't already done a LOT of very very blatant lying specifically for publicity involving this very same person and their work together, I don't think anyone would question her.
I genuinely do not think it harms anything at all to question the accusations of someone against another when it has been proven well into the stratosphere that she has already lied for publicity in regards to the same person on multiple occasions in the recent past.

And it feels really icky to say that but I mean, she was literally the worst liar ever and it was completely ridiculous.

 

[Aella]

The Daily Beast article messed with my head a bit there. There's evidently direct video of some of the events, and video casting doubt on other ones. I don't know what to think.

 

[SarahLove]

So, it's ok to outright say that you don't believe Farrah, she's obviously lying, but automatically believe all the other women who "came forward"?

The Daily Beast article messed with my head a bit there. There's evidently direct video of some of the events, and video casting doubt on other ones. I don't know what to think.

It was good to finally read some reaction from him. And if we are to entertain the very slight possibility that the women are not telling the truth (or not recalling events correctly), he sums it up pretty well here

I have heard many stories from many different performers who have engaged in all sorts of various acts and then after either retiring, taking a break, or slowing down in the adult industry, change their desires and perceptions about things that have happened in the past. I HATE the idea that something a performer experienced would ever be a thing they regretted or that they considered a violation after the fact. I don’t want to blame other people, especially the victim, but if people don’t communicate things when they’re happening then it is not possible to honor retroactive boundaries.

So Stoya comes out with some untrue ploy to defame her ex boyfriend and get herself some incredibly controversial publicity, and others come forward because they're "standing by her" and suddenly remember things differently than they actually happened. Feeling really strong emotion in reaction to their fellow porn star, their memory may be clouded in their rush to come to her support. So maybe they aren't absolutely outright lying, but before their recollections are taken as truth supporting stoya's claim, people have to consider the other side of the story, which James deen takes care to explain in the article.

And nevermind the fact that there is video evidence (supposedly) proving that the women do not have their facts correct. I guess we'll have to wait and see if people start recalling their words once the public has seen the videos.

 

[SarahLove]

Of course, with the face palms.

Im just trying to challenge the usual line of thinking among the majority of people here. the crowd here seems very one sided and any time someone comes in with replies that may be opposite, so many people react with face palms and bad ratings. Why not just disagree? Is it not alright to consider that people may be wrong? To consider the other side of the coin? I feel like theres probably more people who would come out and say stuff like I do but they're afraid that all their besties will stop liking them if they have opposite opinions.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Of course, with the face palms.

Im just trying to challenge the usual line of thinking among the majority of people here. the crowd here seems very one sided and any time someone comes in with replies that may be opposite, so many people react with face palms and bad ratings. Why not just disagree? Is it not alright to consider that people may be wrong? To consider the other side of the coin? I feel like theres probably more people who would come out and say stuff like I do but they're afraid that all their besties will stop liking them if they have opposite opinions.

It's ok to have opposing views and express them, that doesn't mean people have to agree with you or not react or respond.

 

[SarahLove]

It's ok to have opposing views and express them, that doesn't mean people have to agree with you or not react or respond.

Yeah I totally get that, just saying the immediate reaction seems to have a sarcastic or eye-roll tone to it when it gets hit with face palms vs a more reasonable disagree. Not even just in this thread but others where people disagree on outside opinions. Thats all.

 

[Finley]

Yeah I totally get that, just saying the immediate reaction seems to have a sarcastic or eye-roll tone to it when it gets hit with face palms vs a more reasonable disagree. Not even just in this thread but others where people disagree on outside opinions. Thats all.

It's just a facepalm. I got a pile of shit on one of my posts. Don't take it personally. Those are there for people to express how they feel about a post, and if they feel as if they want to facepalm it, they have every right to feel that way. Everyone, including people with differing opinions, can have any reaction (emotional or otherwise) to anything, and it's totally valid.

 

[Teagan]

So, it's ok to outright say that you don't believe Farrah, she's obviously lying, but automatically believe all the other women who "came forward"?

That part there is why I facepalmed you and felt you deserved it. Cause it's not just an auto believe one person and not the other for no reason behind it. Reasons were clearly stated as to why and those reasons are the same ones across the board. It's not a one set of rules for one person and another for another person situation as you're trying to make it seem to be. Plus the quotes you used.

As I said when patterns emerge that tells me something and it should not be dismissed and it also adds credibility of lack thereof to cases like these. I believe Stoya and the other girls due to Deens pattern of behavior. I do not believe Farrah cause of her pattern of behavior. She has proven time and time again to be a finky liar face, attention hungry, fame hungry, and above all else she loves playing victim at all times. It was all on that show she was on. That along with her selling the sex tape and making jokes makes me not believe her. It doesn't add up. I go off of the information at the time and the info I have on Farrah makes me not believe her story. If you had a friend or anyone else in your life who you knew constantly lied about everything under the sun you would question what they say would you not? Common sense would tell you yes. This is one of those cases.

 

[Guy]

A former adult actress says James Deen chocked her until she blacked out
http://laist.com/2015/12/08/holly_deen_accusations.php

 

[BlairLuxe]

My boyfriend suggested to me that he thinks Farrah could potentially be saying these things because she's being paid to by someone who doesn't WANT her story to seem credible. It seems as though she'd do just about anything for money, so who knows... Maybe she's being paid to put out a bad story, and the person paying her has hopes of it discrediting the other girls who came forward.

If she truly was assaulted by James, my heart goes out to her. Nobody deserves that. 0% of the time, never, no reason, even if they are an idiotic dung pile of a person.

I think it's interesting that (that I know of) she is the ONLY person whose account includes anything about being drugged. People who rape tend to have preferences in HOW they rape, y'know? And it seems like James Deen likes his victims to be very responsive. *shudders*

I'm not saying I know what happened or how it happened. But something about her account is inconsistent with what the other girls are saying.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I think it's interesting that (that I know of) she is the ONLY person whose account includes anything about being drugged. People who rape tend to have preferences in HOW they rape, y'know? And it seems like James Deen likes his victims to be very responsive. *shudders*

I hate to disbelieve anyone because it's so hard to come forward about abuse, but this really does make me question her. Serial criminals, whether they're theives, murderers, or sex offenders, have a pattern, and this doesn't fit the pattern at all. His MO is to have his victims conscious and fighting back, not drugged.

 

[HoldItNow]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ed.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tldr: When asked about events specifically, James Deen says they are "inaccurate." He does admit to being an asshole to Joanna Angel when they were dating.

I learned that Aurora Snow doesn't know what begs the question means with the added bonus of the interview being an example of begging the question.

It's a softball email interview which allowed him to craft his responses.

It does highlight the difficulty of making the accusations as he uses statements of "Hey this is the business we're in" or "they're remembering wrong" and the defense of "If i did that why would they do ____" which is the victim blaming part that suggests people are supposed to act a certain way.

I also find it interesting that he repeats many of the doubting opinions expressed online which seems by design. Oddly enough if you repeat people's ideas back to them, they will support your views.

So it's the he said / she said. Or in this case, he said / she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she said.

 

[Guy]

That part there is why I facepalmed you and felt you deserved it. Cause it's not just an auto believe one person and not the other for no reason behind it. Reasons were clearly stated as to why and those reasons are the same ones across the board. It's not a one set of rules for one person and another for another person situation as you're trying to make it seem to be. Plus the quotes you used.

As I said when patterns emerge that tells me something and it should not be dismissed and it also adds credibility of lack thereof to cases like these. I believe Stoya and the other girls due to Deens pattern of behavior. I do not believe Farrah cause of her pattern of behavior. She has proven time and time again to be a finky liar face, attention hungry, fame hungry, and above all else she loves playing victim at all times. It was all on that show she was on. That along with her selling the sex tape and making jokes makes me not believe her. It doesn't add up. I go off of the information at the time and the info I have on Farrah makes me not believe her story. If you had a friend or anyone else in your life who you knew constantly lied about everything under the sun you would question what they say would you not? Common sense would tell you yes. This is one of those cases.

@Teagan What do you think of this article? http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/you...rape_suggests_we_still_want_a_perfect_victim/

 

[Teagan]

I agree with them saying there is no perfect victim and it's actually like a no duh statement. Were all human and make mistakes and have made bad decisions at one point in life. Im sure if any of us were dragged into court for something where our entire life was used against us (as is often the case when rape cases do even get to court) most of us wouldnt fair well. Thing is with Farrah she doesnt just occasionally make mistakes or tell occasional lies, she has done it constantly on repeat for years and like I said before when you are dealing with compulsive liars you have every right and reason to question what they say. You become the boy who cried wolf. Farrah is that boy. And while like I said if she is telling the truth it breaks my heart she has had to go through that she can not exactly pretend she didnt bring it on herself with her own behavior. It's sad, it may be unfair a bit, but it's completely justified I feel.