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Bocefish

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Of all TEOTWAWKI scenarios, this is by far the most likely to happen AGAIN (IMO) and good to see the gubbermint is taking it seriously. For an excellent read on how society would likely end up post EMP, I highly suggest reading William Forstchen's novel, One Second After. Also check out http://www.onesecondafter.com/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... n/2461313/
So this week the news is consumed with the Supreme Court, the immigration bill, Edward Snowden and the NSA scandals, and the IRS scandal and the lingering Benghazi scandal. But behind the scenes there are things going on that may be much more important. Earth-shakingly important, even.

No, I'm not talking about the threat from asteroid strikes. This time, though, I'm talking about a different kind of civilizational threat: A solar flare that could wipe out the communications and electrical grids while frying a wide variety of electronics, quickly sending us back to the 19th Century.

That's happened before. In fact, it happened in the 19th Century, with the "Carrington Event" of 1859. A massive solar flare sent a cloud of charged particles that struck the Earth squarely, creating massive currents in the Earth's magnetic field and sending brilliant auroras south as far as Cuba and Hawaii. About the only thing electrical back then was the telegraph network, and the Carrington event had a literally shocking impact -- causing some operators to be shocked, and inducing strong enough currents in the telegraph wires that operators could disconnect the batteries and operate the telegraph off of the flare-induced electrical flow.

Modern electronics are a lot more sensitive, of course, and a similar event today would fry computers, cell phones, new cars and more. More worryingly, it would probably melt major transformers in the power net, transformers that take months or years to replace and that are expensive enough that few spares are kept. Big chunks of the planet -- all of North America, for example -- might be without electricity for a year or longer.

The disruption would kill a lot of people -- some quickly, as medical devices failed, others later as food supplies and clean water became scarce. Without electricity, pretty much everything in our civilization comes to a stop. The economic damage would be incalculable.

We don't know how common Carrington Events are, since they probably wouldn't have made much of an impact in pre-industrial years. But in 1989 a smaller flare wiped out Hydro Quebec's grid, leaving many Canadians without power for an extended period. And similar flares have been near misses -- a Class X flare (the most powerful kind) sideswiped the Earth back in May.

Space is big, and the Earth is small, so most of these will miss us. But the consequences of being hit are serious. And there's also the possibility that an enemy nation might detonate a nuclear weapon at high altitude over the United States, generating a similar effect via the nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP). (For a scary but realistic story of an EMP attack on the USA, read William Forstchen's disaster novel, One Second After.)

These kinds of worries have gone from science columns and Internet speculation, to serious worries by the National Academy of Sciences and big insurers like Lloyd's.And now Congress is taking a hand.

There's now a bill aimed at doing something to harden our systems and prepare for such events. It's called the Secure High-voltage Infrastructure for Electricity from Lethal Damage Act (SHIELD Act for short, in one of those now-unavoidable legislative acronyms). It is aimed at seeing that those big transformers basically get the heavy-duty equivalent of surge protectors to prevent damage in the event of either a solar storm or EMP attack.

Perhaps because I lived through the Great Northeastern Blackout when I was a kid, I've always been aware of the risk of power going out. I'm glad that folks in Washington are starting to pay attention, too.
 
It's definitely a possibility we should prepare for (and try to prevent).
In 1998, there was a severe ice storm here and I was left without power for over a week. I wasn't nearly as dependent on phone, computer, etc. back then as I am now.
The thought of us being suddenly stripped of all modern technology is both fascinating and terrifying to me.
 
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Some good points. While I think I could do without a lot of my personal technology (Though I love it so and would prefer not to obviously) the global infrastructure of practically all developed nations has become so intertwined with electronics and technology that the effects on them would be quite devastating. On the plus side, a lot of us whose jobs literally wouldn't exist without said technology would suddenly be available to work towards restoration of services! I'd like to think if enough people pulled together to make an impact quickly after such an event, a lot of us would survive.
 
A lot of people would really freak out about this.
The only reason I would freak out is because my job depends on the use of electronics and the internet.
 
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Kokoro said:
A lot of people would really freak out about this.
The only reason I would freak out is because my job depends on the use of electronics and the internet.
In addition to our jobs though, we wouldn't have refrigeration, people who live on well water wouldn't be able to get water (I think this would also apply to city water but I'm not 100% sure because when the power goes out I can still get water but I don't know if the towers and water plants themselves need or ever lose power), no phones (cellular or otherwise), air conditioning, heating, we wouldn't be able to get gas (the pumps are electric), no radio (meaning there would be no way to find out news, dangerous weather, riots, crime, etc.). It wouldn't just mean we'd lose luxuries. We'd lose everything that has become central to our way of life.
 
Yes, I do believe they use pumps to keep bring the clean water in and the sewage out. They probably have backup generators and sufficient pressure in the pipelines to keep things running for a while, but if the pumps and generators were permanently fried we might be in trouble.
I think food would quickly become an issue as well, especially for those in major cities. Once stores and warehouses ran out of whatever they had on hand, getting more from wherever they're produced could be an issue if all the trucks that would normally deliver that stuff were inoperable. And that's assuming that it's something that doesn't rely on too much modern technology to make.
Medicine and clothing would pose similar problems.
And what happens when a fire breaks out and the fire trucks are similarly inoperable? And there's no water available for hoses and hydrants?
I can't take the credit for these thoughts myself... I've been reading an interesting series of novels based on a similar global cataclysm taking place. It's called the Emberverse Trilogy, by S. M. Stirling. Definitely some interesting reading, especially if you like Medieval stuff. Even if it has grown well past the original 'trilogy' that it was supposed to be.
 
Kokoro said:
A lot of people would really freak out about this.
The only reason I would freak out is because my job depends on the use of electronics and the internet.
Funny how people think differently about stuff like this. Protection, fresh water and food would be my main concern even if it was a local event.

SexyStephXS said:
In addition to our jobs though, we wouldn't have refrigeration, people who live on well water wouldn't be able to get water (I think this would also apply to city water but I'm not 100% sure because when the power goes out I can still get water but I don't know if the towers and water plants themselves need or ever lose power)
Both, you still have water at the tap because of gravity not electricity, in older systems (the majority of systems) it is always stored higher than the usage. However it takes electricity to filter and in some cases to store the water (large buildings). Depending on where you live (like a big city) you would run out of tap water pretty quick, smaller towns maybe a few extra days.

Also the well water quote is not entirely true if the well is supplied from an Artesian Aquifer no electricity is needed. A friend of mine who is a farmer has one on his land, there is enough pressure to bring the water to the surface.
 
For those of you familiar with Katrina and how quickly everything deteriorated in a matter of days, imagine that times 10,000. The majority of people just had to survive longe enough for the government to rescue them. Well, with an EMP or solar flare event, the government will be just as helpless as everyone else, no communications, no working vehicles...

Unless you are in a jet liner, plummeting to earth, or caught in a massive traffic jam of stalled vehicles on the interstate, you might not even know anything has changed. Sure the power is off, but we’ve all been through that dozens of times. You call the power company. But the phone doesn’t work and that might be slightly more unnerving. You might go to your car to drive around and see what happened and then it becomes more unnerving when the car does not even turn over, nor any other car in your neighborhood.

Twelve hours later the food in your freezer starts to thaw, if it is winter and you don’t have a wood stove the frost will start to penetrate in to your house, if summer and you live in Florida your house will be an oven. And that will just be the start.

Law enforcement will be powerless without radios, cell phones, and squad cars, unable to know where there is a crisis and how to react. The real horror show within hours will be in hospitals and nursing homes. They’re required by law to have back up generators, but those generators are “hot wired” into the building so power can instantly kick in if the main system shuts down. That “hot wiring” means the Electro Magnetic Pulse will take out the generators and their circuitry as well.

If you are familiar with what happened in New Orleans after Katrina, multiply that ten thousand times over to every hospital and nursing home in America. Nearly everyone dependent on life support equipment in ICUs will be dead within hours. Nearly everyone in nursing homes dependent on oxygen generators, respirators, etc., will be dead or dying while depending on the time of year temperatures within plummet or soar.

As to medical supplies, not just in hospitals but across the nation to every local pharmacy, they are all dependent on something called Fed Ex. As we have perfected a remarkable system of instant delivery, guided by computers, local inventories have dropped to be more cost efficient and even for reasons of security with controlled substances, which to ordinary citizens means pain killers. Supplies will run out in a matter of days. Those of us dependent on medications to control asthma, heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other aliments which a hundred years ago would have killed us shortly after the onset. . .will now face death within days or weeks, unless the national power grid comes back on line quickly and order is restored.

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE?

Here is the bottom line of the entire issue and why the threat of a single EMP weapon is so dangerous. There is the serious potential that we might never be able to restore the system. One might ask why? It just means replacing some circuit breakers, pulling out fried chips in our cars and replacing them with new ones etc.

It is not that simple. The infrastructure America has developed since the beginnings of the Industrial Age, is now so vast, intricate and fragile, that it is like a delicate spider web, which if touched by a flame can instantly vanish.

A few examples to illustrate what might seem an extreme statement.
The incredibly complex system that creates electricity, starting from a hydro-electric dam, a glowing nuclear reactor, or coal fired plant, leaps through hundreds of circuit breakers, perhaps thousands of miles of wiring, across high tension lines to sub stations, and finally to the outlet your computer is plug into. This single line will now have hundreds of breaks in it, each one having to be replaced.

Any of us who have lived through a major disaster such as a hurricane, ice storm, or tornado, and then gone several days without power know the sequence, h ow much longer the wait seems to be, and then finally the welcome sight of a power company repair truck turning on to your block. . .and that truck might be from a power company five hundred miles away. All our disasters have ultimately been local in nature, Andrew in Florida, Katrina in Louisiana and Mississippi or one this author went through with Ivan in North Carolina. The disaster is local, even if fifty thousand square miles are affected, help streaming in from neighboring states, caravans of power trucks, each carrying not just experienced crews, but ladened down with all the replacement parts necessary to put electricity and phone service back into your house. When Ivan hit my town, dumping 30 inches of rain, wiping out the power grid and water supply, in less than twelve hours thousands of gallons of bottled water had arrived from Charlotte, power companies from Alabama, Tennessee and Virginia were arriving, the special parts needed to replace my town’s shattered water main from the reservoir were air lifted in by a national guard unit.

Consider though if the entire nation is “down.” Quite simply there are not enough replacement parts in the entire nation to even remotely begin the retro-fitting and replacement of all components. Every community will be on its own, struggling to rebuild. . .on their own.

Example two. A member of your family has type one diabetes and if you do have that in your family you know that failure to properly monitor and treat can result in death within a matter of weeks at most. Start with the testing kit. If it is one of the new electronic digital models, changes are a small hand held unit, not plugged into the grid will in fact survive. If it is an older kit that still uses testing stripes and you are running short of those stripes of paper, you already have a problem.

Where does insulin come from? In an earlier age it was literally made from the ground up pancreas of sheep and horses. Today it is manufactured via genetically altered bacteria and cells. There are several such factories across the nation which do this, producing millions of vials a day.

We are not even going to get into the complexity of where do the vials, the rubber seals and such come from. But with the shut down of power the factory goes dark and the complex environmental controls to insure the proper safety of the bacteria “batches” is now off line. Within days it will cease to function for that reason alone.

But it will most likely already be off line. What of the workers? Will t he next shift show up when cars no longer run? Unlikely. And those on the job? No matter how dedicated most must leave within a day to see to their own families and chances are not return.

Of the hundreds of thousands of vials waiting in refrigerated containers for shipping, what happens to the coolant? And where are the trucks to move it? If the insulin is, in fact, already in the “pipeline” so to speak, if aboard a Fed Ex plane we already know that tragic fate. If on a highway it will be stalled. . .and so on to your local pharmacy where the few vials in the current inventory will be snatched up by panicked customers within hours and then hoarded away, regardless of the need of others. And even then, how will you keep the insulin temperature stabilized and when that fails, how swiftly does the potency drop?

But one other factor, the syringes to inject the medicine. Any of us over 45 or so can recall the dull terrible needles in our doctor’s offices. (As a child I recall my grandmother boiling my diabetic grandfather’s needles.) After use they were stuck back into an autoclave (powered by electricity) and carefully sterilized. . .and then came the disposable syringe. Where does that needle come from. Again a long back track to an oil field, to a cracking plant, to a factory that, in sterile conditions turns the plastic into the barrel of syringe, to a mine where ore is turned into steel which is milled at remarkable tolerances into a needle point. . .and again shipped and shipped again and finally to your house.

The point of these few examples is that in an age not so long ago, nearly all that we needed for our lives was produced locally, and then came railroads, which could link a farmer’s wif e in Nebraska, via a catalog and telegraph to the Sears office in Chicago for that new set of dishes or a replacement part for a threshing machine. . .to our complex web of today. Few of us ever realized that with each advance in convenience and the latest new gadget or necessity we took another step towards dependence which in a global market today means that the chip needed to repair an important computer might be made in Japan, and ordered via a sales rep at a desk in India, and yet we expect it to arrive within two days and see nothing remarkable about that. Globalization with all its benefits and woes for some workers here, has made us infinitely more dependent on a global network of communications and transportation. . .that fragile spider’s web.

There is the true nightmare of EMP. Once the entire system collapses, how and where does anyone build it back when that one crucial part you need is in a warehouse in Shanghai or Seoul and you don’t even have means to even ask for that part.


YOU MENTION IN YOUR BOOK THAT 90% of AMERICANS MIGHT DIE WITHIN A YEAR. ISN’T THAT FEAR MONGORING?

When such numbers were discussed during the height of the Cold War, the numbers were indeed real, as they are now with the use of but one weapon to create an EMP burst.

The tragic thing is how we can discuss such numbers now in a society where the entire nation went into stunned mourning after nearly 4,000 died on 9/11.

The death of an individual is a tragedy. The death of a million a statistic.
The first few million deaths are tragically obvious. Those aboard commercial flights, and even most private flights, those in nursing homes, hospices, and hospitals.

The next few million are obvious as well. Those with severe aliments requiring careful daily medication or treatment, such as those awaiting transplants, people undergoing dialysis, those with severe heart ailments both known and not yet realized. We are use to emergency response within minutes when we snap open a cell phone and call 911. The stress, fear, even the unaccustomed physical exertion of someone having to walk ten miles to get home will trigger heart attacks, strokes, etc. We are a “hot house bred” generation, in fact several generations now. Our water supply is carefully controlled and delivered instantly and on demand, hundreds of gallons of it a day. Our food, wrapped in sanitary packages has expiration dates stamped on it. Where will you get drinkable water in a city after but several days? Frankly when was the last time any of us had to live without a flush toilet and anti-bacterial hand wash by the sink? Food that starts to thaw, which we were always cautioned to throw out, food in a refrigerator that is now at room temperature. . . do you throw it out or risk eating it? If your house is fully electric how do you cook it properly?

These few questions alone lead to a clear path straight to an entire nation heading into gastro-intestinal aliments within a week to ten days at most. Any of us who have traveled overseas, especially to third world countries have weathered them an d survived. . .thanks in part to modern medications once back safe home in the USA. But we are now the third world country. Very young children and the elderly can die in less than a day from severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. Without plenty of clean water and modern waste removal, the problem gets far worst, especially in temporary refugee centers.

Compound this with the fact that by the end of the week millions of Americans will be on the road. . .walking. The tragic lawlessness we often see in the wake of a large disaster will most certainly explode given that police are near powerless to react in an organized manner and national guard units will not even be mobilized since how do they mobilize if no vehicles run and all communications is still down.

Millions, many of them the most vulnerable will make the choice of abandoning the cities rather than try and fight to find a gallon jug of water or a few cans of soup. Beyond this fear, summer or winter many urban dwellings will be unlivable. The multi million dollar condo on the 40th floor is now a nightmare 400 foot hike straight up, lugging whatever water or food you might get. They will be unheated, or roasting ovens, designed of course with perfection climate control. . .that no longer works. Many will be driven, as well by the false hope that relatives out in the suburbs or better yet “out in the country” will of course have plenty of food and be willing to share.

Our interstate highways will become nightmare paths of exile as our largely urban population tries to fan out to find food that once was shipped in.

Millions could and will die on that road. Where do they get safe water? The nearby stream or river is now a dump for raw sewage since purification plants are off line. Once stricken on the road by the results after drinking this water, where does one get help, basic medication, more water to keep you hydrated.

Within a month the next level of die off will be in full development. Those who survive the initial onset of illnesses from polluted water and food, and survive, will nevertheless be weakened, knock down a level. Even if they do get lucky and have food stockpiled, or find a source, chances are it will not be balanced at all and the first onset of nutritional imbalance will lower the immulogical system even further.

Now is the time that more serious diseases will appear. Pneumonia, especia lly in the winter due to exposure. More exotic and dangerous types of food poisoning such as salmonella due to a complete collapse of sanitation. Various forms of hepatitis, even diseases not heard of in a generation or more. . .measles, scarlet fever, and tuberculosis.

In addition, the number of injuries will have soared. Few of us today are truly use to the back breaking kind of manual labor of the 19th century. Even most laborers today use modern equipment to do 99% of the actual work. Unfamiliar with axes, shovels and saws, people will break bones, cut themselves, or just suddenly die from strain. And waiting now are the infectious diseases where an ordinary cut, once treated with a few stitches instead becomes an avenue for gangrene, a rusty nail is again a threat of tetanus.

And finally, violence against ourselves. At what point do we begin to kill each other for food, water, shelter? At what point does a small town mobilize, barricade itself in and make clear that any who enter will be shot because there is not enough food to share, and any new stranger might be a carrier of yet another disease.

By sixty days true starvation will be killing off millions and by 120 days mass starvation will be the norm. Those lucky enough to be in rich farm producing areas, with the knowledge of how to gather food by hand, and then preserve it, will have a temporary surplus, but even then, if they do not ration it out wisely, as did our colonial forefathers, they too will starve before the next crop is in the ground come spring.

Months later, yes help from old allies might be flooding in, but how to move it, distribute it and at the same time provide medical aid and also rebuild the electrical grid, step by step will still be overwhelming tasks.

As said before, “the death of a million is a statistic.” Our statistic could very well be that in a year’s time, nine out of ten Americans will be dead. Dead from but one weapon, our global position shattered forever as we revert back into a third rate power, if we even still survive as a united system of states.
 
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Bocefish said:
For those of you familiar with Katrina and how quickly everything deteriorated in a matter of days, imagine that times 10,000. The majority of people just had to survive longe enough for the government to rescue them. Well, with an EMP or solar flare event, the government will be just as helpless as everyone else, no communications, no working vehicles...

Unless you are in a jet liner, plummeting to earth, or caught in a massive traffic jam of stalled vehicles on the interstate, you might not even know anything has changed. Sure the power is off, but we’ve all been through that dozens of times. You call the power company. But the phone doesn’t work and that might be slightly more unnerving. You might go to your car to drive around and see what happened and then it becomes more unnerving when the car does not even turn over, nor any other car in your neighborhood.

Twelve hours later the food in your freezer starts to thaw, if it is winter and you don’t have a wood stove the frost will start to penetrate in to your house, if summer and you live in Florida your house will be an oven. And that will just be the start.

Law enforcement will be powerless without radios, cell phones, and squad cars, unable to know where there is a crisis and how to react. The real horror show within hours will be in hospitals and nursing homes. They’re required by law to have back up generators, but those generators are “hot wired” into the building so power can instantly kick in if the main system shuts down. That “hot wiring” means the Electro Magnetic Pulse will take out the generators and their circuitry as well.

If you are familiar with what happened in New Orleans after Katrina, multiply that ten thousand times over to every hospital and nursing home in America. Nearly everyone dependent on life support equipment in ICUs will be dead within hours. Nearly everyone in nursing homes dependent on oxygen generators, respirators, etc., will be dead or dying while depending on the time of year temperatures within plummet or soar.

As to medical supplies, not just in hospitals but across the nation to every local pharmacy, they are all dependent on something called Fed Ex. As we have perfected a remarkable system of instant delivery, guided by computers, local inventories have dropped to be more cost efficient and even for reasons of security with controlled substances, which to ordinary citizens means pain killers. Supplies will run out in a matter of days. Those of us dependent on medications to control asthma, heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other aliments which a hundred years ago would have killed us shortly after the onset. . .will now face death within days or weeks, unless the national power grid comes back on line quickly and order is restored.

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE?

Here is the bottom line of the entire issue and why the threat of a single EMP weapon is so dangerous. There is the serious potential that we might never be able to restore the system. One might ask why? It just means replacing some circuit breakers, pulling out fried chips in our cars and replacing them with new ones etc.

It is not that simple. The infrastructure America has developed since the beginnings of the Industrial Age, is now so vast, intricate and fragile, that it is like a delicate spider web, which if touched by a flame can instantly vanish.

A few examples to illustrate what might seem an extreme statement.
The incredibly complex system that creates electricity, starting from a hydro-electric dam, a glowing nuclear reactor, or coal fired plant, leaps through hundreds of circuit breakers, perhaps thousands of miles of wiring, across high tension lines to sub stations, and finally to the outlet your computer is plug into. This single line will now have hundreds of breaks in it, each one having to be replaced.

Any of us who have lived through a major disaster such as a hurricane, ice storm, or tornado, and then gone several days without power know the sequence, h ow much longer the wait seems to be, and then finally the welcome sight of a power company repair truck turning on to your block. . .and that truck might be from a power company five hundred miles away. All our disasters have ultimately been local in nature, Andrew in Florida, Katrina in Louisiana and Mississippi or one this author went through with Ivan in North Carolina. The disaster is local, even if fifty thousand square miles are affected, help streaming in from neighboring states, caravans of power trucks, each carrying not just experienced crews, but ladened down with all the replacement parts necessary to put electricity and phone service back into your house. When Ivan hit my town, dumping 30 inches of rain, wiping out the power grid and water supply, in less than twelve hours thousands of gallons of bottled water had arrived from Charlotte, power companies from Alabama, Tennessee and Virginia were arriving, the special parts needed to replace my town’s shattered water main from the reservoir were air lifted in by a national guard unit.

Consider though if the entire nation is “down.” Quite simply there are not enough replacement parts in the entire nation to even remotely begin the retro-fitting and replacement of all components. Every community will be on its own, struggling to rebuild. . .on their own.

Example two. A member of your family has type one diabetes and if you do have that in your family you know that failure to properly monitor and treat can result in death within a matter of weeks at most. Start with the testing kit. If it is one of the new electronic digital models, changes are a small hand held unit, not plugged into the grid will in fact survive. If it is an older kit that still uses testing stripes and you are running short of those stripes of paper, you already have a problem.

Where does insulin come from? In an earlier age it was literally made from the ground up pancreas of sheep and horses. Today it is manufactured via genetically altered bacteria and cells. There are several such factories across the nation which do this, producing millions of vials a day.

We are not even going to get into the complexity of where do the vials, the rubber seals and such come from. But with the shut down of power the factory goes dark and the complex environmental controls to insure the proper safety of the bacteria “batches” is now off line. Within days it will cease to function for that reason alone.

But it will most likely already be off line. What of the workers? Will t he next shift show up when cars no longer run? Unlikely. And those on the job? No matter how dedicated most must leave within a day to see to their own families and chances are not return.

Of the hundreds of thousands of vials waiting in refrigerated containers for shipping, what happens to the coolant? And where are the trucks to move it? If the insulin is, in fact, already in the “pipeline” so to speak, if aboard a Fed Ex plane we already know that tragic fate. If on a highway it will be stalled. . .and so on to your local pharmacy where the few vials in the current inventory will be snatched up by panicked customers within hours and then hoarded away, regardless of the need of others. And even then, how will you keep the insulin temperature stabilized and when that fails, how swiftly does the potency drop?

But one other factor, the syringes to inject the medicine. Any of us over 45 or so can recall the dull terrible needles in our doctor’s offices. (As a child I recall my grandmother boiling my diabetic grandfather’s needles.) After use they were stuck back into an autoclave (powered by electricity) and carefully sterilized. . .and then came the disposable syringe. Where does that needle come from. Again a long back track to an oil field, to a cracking plant, to a factory that, in sterile conditions turns the plastic into the barrel of syringe, to a mine where ore is turned into steel which is milled at remarkable tolerances into a needle point. . .and again shipped and shipped again and finally to your house.

The point of these few examples is that in an age not so long ago, nearly all that we needed for our lives was produced locally, and then came railroads, which could link a farmer’s wif e in Nebraska, via a catalog and telegraph to the Sears office in Chicago for that new set of dishes or a replacement part for a threshing machine. . .to our complex web of today. Few of us ever realized that with each advance in convenience and the latest new gadget or necessity we took another step towards dependence which in a global market today means that the chip needed to repair an important computer might be made in Japan, and ordered via a sales rep at a desk in India, and yet we expect it to arrive within two days and see nothing remarkable about that. Globalization with all its benefits and woes for some workers here, has made us infinitely more dependent on a global network of communications and transportation. . .that fragile spider’s web.

There is the true nightmare of EMP. Once the entire system collapses, how and where does anyone build it back when that one crucial part you need is in a warehouse in Shanghai or Seoul and you don’t even have means to even ask for that part.


YOU MENTION IN YOUR BOOK THAT 90% of AMERICANS MIGHT DIE WITHIN A YEAR. ISN’T THAT FEAR MONGORING?

When such numbers were discussed during the height of the Cold War, the numbers were indeed real, as they are now with the use of but one weapon to create an EMP burst.

The tragic thing is how we can discuss such numbers now in a society where the entire nation went into stunned mourning after nearly 4,000 died on 9/11.

The death of an individual is a tragedy. The death of a million a statistic.
The first few million deaths are tragically obvious. Those aboard commercial flights, and even most private flights, those in nursing homes, hospices, and hospitals.

The next few million are obvious as well. Those with severe aliments requiring careful daily medication or treatment, such as those awaiting transplants, people undergoing dialysis, those with severe heart ailments both known and not yet realized. We are use to emergency response within minutes when we snap open a cell phone and call 911. The stress, fear, even the unaccustomed physical exertion of someone having to walk ten miles to get home will trigger heart attacks, strokes, etc. We are a “hot house bred” generation, in fact several generations now. Our water supply is carefully controlled and delivered instantly and on demand, hundreds of gallons of it a day. Our food, wrapped in sanitary packages has expiration dates stamped on it. Where will you get drinkable water in a city after but several days? Frankly when was the last time any of us had to live without a flush toilet and anti-bacterial hand wash by the sink? Food that starts to thaw, which we were always cautioned to throw out, food in a refrigerator that is now at room temperature. . . do you throw it out or risk eating it? If your house is fully electric how do you cook it properly?

These few questions alone lead to a clear path straight to an entire nation heading into gastro-intestinal aliments within a week to ten days at most. Any of us who have traveled overseas, especially to third world countries have weathered them an d survived. . .thanks in part to modern medications once back safe home in the USA. But we are now the third world country. Very young children and the elderly can die in less than a day from severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. Without plenty of clean water and modern waste removal, the problem gets far worst, especially in temporary refugee centers.

Compound this with the fact that by the end of the week millions of Americans will be on the road. . .walking. The tragic lawlessness we often see in the wake of a large disaster will most certainly explode given that police are near powerless to react in an organized manner and national guard units will not even be mobilized since how do they mobilize if no vehicles run and all communications is still down.

Millions, many of them the most vulnerable will make the choice of abandoning the cities rather than try and fight to find a gallon jug of water or a few cans of soup. Beyond this fear, summer or winter many urban dwellings will be unlivable. The multi million dollar condo on the 40th floor is now a nightmare 400 foot hike straight up, lugging whatever water or food you might get. They will be unheated, or roasting ovens, designed of course with perfection climate control. . .that no longer works. Many will be driven, as well by the false hope that relatives out in the suburbs or better yet “out in the country” will of course have plenty of food and be willing to share.

Our interstate highways will become nightmare paths of exile as our largely urban population tries to fan out to find food that once was shipped in.

Millions could and will die on that road. Where do they get safe water? The nearby stream or river is now a dump for raw sewage since purification plants are off line. Once stricken on the road by the results after drinking this water, where does one get help, basic medication, more water to keep you hydrated.

Within a month the next level of die off will be in full development. Those who survive the initial onset of illnesses from polluted water and food, and survive, will nevertheless be weakened, knock down a level. Even if they do get lucky and have food stockpiled, or find a source, chances are it will not be balanced at all and the first onset of nutritional imbalance will lower the immulogical system even further.

Now is the time that more serious diseases will appear. Pneumonia, especia lly in the winter due to exposure. More exotic and dangerous types of food poisoning such as salmonella due to a complete collapse of sanitation. Various forms of hepatitis, even diseases not heard of in a generation or more. . .measles, scarlet fever, and tuberculosis.

In addition, the number of injuries will have soared. Few of us today are truly use to the back breaking kind of manual labor of the 19th century. Even most laborers today use modern equipment to do 99% of the actual work. Unfamiliar with axes, shovels and saws, people will break bones, cut themselves, or just suddenly die from strain. And waiting now are the infectious diseases where an ordinary cut, once treated with a few stitches instead becomes an avenue for gangrene, a rusty nail is again a threat of tetanus.

And finally, violence against ourselves. At what point do we begin to kill each other for food, water, shelter? At what point does a small town mobilize, barricade itself in and make clear that any who enter will be shot because there is not enough food to share, and any new stranger might be a carrier of yet another disease.

By sixty days true starvation will be killing off millions and by 120 days mass starvation will be the norm. Those lucky enough to be in rich farm producing areas, with the knowledge of how to gather food by hand, and then preserve it, will have a temporary surplus, but even then, if they do not ration it out wisely, as did our colonial forefathers, they too will starve before the next crop is in the ground come spring.

Months later, yes help from old allies might be flooding in, but how to move it, distribute it and at the same time provide medical aid and also rebuild the electrical grid, step by step will still be overwhelming tasks.

As said before, “the death of a million is a statistic.” Our statistic could very well be that in a year’s time, nine out of ten Americans will be dead. Dead from but one weapon, our global position shattered forever as we revert back into a third rate power, if we even still survive as a united system of states.

i was in the military and assisted in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts off the coast of New Orleans. it is still my only visit to the New Orleans area. i am not very familiar with the "Electro-Magnetic Pulse" you are talking about but i have fixed a RADAR that sends out an electro-magnetic pulse. the ship i was on has multiple nuclear reactors powering it and i doubt it would be as easily affected.
 
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Unless it is specifically shielded, anything that has a computer chip, relay, or solid state components will be almost instantly fried.

WHAT IS AN EMP?


EMP is shorthand for Electro Magnetic Pulse. It is a rather unusual and frightening by-product when a nuclear bomb is detonated above the earth’s atmosphere. We all know that our atmosphere and the magnetic field which surrounds our planet is a thin layer which not only keeps us alive, but also protects us from dangerous radiation from the sun. On a fairly regular basis there are huge solar storms on the sun’s surface which emit powerful jets of deadly radiation. If not for the protective layer of our atmosphere and magnetic field, those storms would fry us. At times though, the storm is so power that enough disruptive energy reaches the earth’s surface that it drowns out radio waves and even shorts electrical power grids. . .this happened seve ral years back in Canada.

View the detonation of a nuclear bomb, two hundred miles straight up as the same thing, but infinitely more powerful since it is so close by.

As the bomb explodes it emits a powerful wave of gamma rays. As this energy release hits the upper atmosphere it creates a electrical disturbance know as the Compton Effect. The intensity is magnified. View it as a small pebble rolling down a slope, hitting a larger one, setting that in motion, until finally you have an avalanche.

At the speed of light this disturbance races to the earth surface. It is not something you can see or hear, in the same way you don’t feel the electrical disturbance in the atmosphere during20a large solar storm.

For all electrical systems though, it is deadly.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS “PULSE” HITS THE SURFACE?

Those who might remember ham radio operators, or even the old CB radios of the 1970s can recall that if you ran out a wire as an antenna you could send and receive a better signal. The wire not only transmitted the very faint power of a few watts of electricity from your radio, it could receive even fainted signals in return. As the Pulse strikes the earths surface, with a power that could range up to hundreds of amps per square yard, it will not affect you directly, at most you’ll feel a slight tingling, the s ame as when lightning is about to strike close by, and nearly all the energy will just be absorbed into the ground and dissipate. The bad news, however, is wherever it strikes wires, metal surfaces, antennas, power lines it will now travel along those metal surfaces (in the same way a lightning bolt will always follow the metal of a lightning rod, or the power line into your house.) The longer the wire, the more energy is absorbed, a high tension wire miles long will absorb tens of thousands of amps, and here is where the destruction begins as it slams into any delicate electronic circuits, meaning computer chips, relays, etc. In that instant, they are overloaded by the massive energy surge, short circuit, and fry. Your house via electric, phone and cable wires is connected, like all the rest of us into the power and communications grids. This energy surge will destroy all delicate electronics in your home, even as it destroys all the major components all the way back to the power company’s generators and the phone company’s main relays. In far less than a milli second the entire power grid of the United States, and all that it supports will be destroyed.

WOULDN”T CIRCUIT BREAKERS AND SURGE PROTECTORS STOP IT?

This is where the effect of EMP starts to get complex. All electricity travels, of course, at the speed of light. The circuit breakers that are built into our electrical system or the ones you buy to plug your own computer in to, are designed to “read’ the flow of current. If it suddenly exceeds a certain level, the breaker snaps and takes you off line, thus protecting everything beyond it. More than a few of us have found out that when you buy a cheap surge protector for ten or twenty bucks sure it will snap off, but the surge has already passed through and fried your expensive pla sma television or new computer. Unlike a lightning strike, or other power surge, an EMP surge is “front loaded.” Meaning it doesn’t do a build up for a couple of mirco-seconds, allowing enough time for the circuit breaker to “read” that trouble is on the way and shut down. It comes instead like a wall of energy, without any advance wave building up as a warning. It therefore slams through nearly all commercial and even military surge protectors already in place, and is past the “safety barrier” and into the delicate electronics before the system has time to react.

WHAT ABOUT CARS?


Here is more bad news regarding EMP. =2 0If you own a 1965 Volkswagen bug or Mustange you’re ok. . .there are no solid state electronics under the hood, it still has an old fashion carburetor, the radio still might even have tubes rather than transistors. However, even that is in question. In 1962 both we and the Soviets detonated nuclear weapons in space (saber rattling during the Cuban Missile Crisis) and it is reported that a number of cars. . .their ignition systems a thousand miles away from the detonation were fried because of EMP. (Check out a few of the more “tech head” links on this site for detailed explanations). From about 1980 on, cars increasingly went solid state and by the 1990s were getting ever more complex computers installed. Consider a visit to the mechanic today. He runs a wire in under the hood, plugs it into his computer and within seconds has a full diagnostic, types in what his computer is suppose to do, the problem is solved and you are handed a rather large bill. Great modern conveniences from airbag sensors, to fuel injectors and all of it more and more dependent on computers. At the instant the “Pulse” strikes, the body of your car and the radio antenna will feed the overload into your vehicle’s computer and short it out.

Some police departments are even now experimenting with using a specially designed bumper on their car for high speed chases. If they can brush up against the car they are pursuing the officer just hits a button, and through his bumper a high energy surge will be released, flooding into the car being pursued and shorting out its computer system. Result. . .whether you are being chased by the police with this new device, or an EMP burst has been fired off. . .your car will essentially be a useless hunk of metal that will slowly roll to a stop. In that instant, most of America will be on foot again.


AND PLANES?

This is a terrifying aspect of an attack that no government report has publicly discussed along with the potential casualty rate in the first seconds after an attack. Commercial airliners today are all computer driven. In fact, from lift off to landing, a pilot no longer even needs to be in the cockpit, a computer can do all of it if need be. When the pilot pulls back on the “stick” it is no longer connect by wires stretching all the way back to the tail and the elevator assembly. Instead, his motion is read by a computer which sends a signal to an electrical servo-motor in the tail, which then moves the tail. In short, the entire plane is computer driven. It is estimated that at any given moment during regular business hours, somewhere between three to four thousand commercial airliners are crisscrossing the skies. (There is a fascinating site you can find via Goggle that shows typical air traffic around the world during a twenty four hour period. From dawn til way after dusk, the entire USA is one glowing blob of commercial flights crisscrossing our sky). All of them would be doomed, the pilots sitting impotent, staring at blank computer screens, pulling on controls that no longer respond as the plane finally noses over and heads in.
Somewhere between 250,000 to 500,000 people will die in the first few minutes. . .more than all our battle casualties across four years of World War II

AREN”T WE PREPARING? ISN’T THERE REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT IN PLACE AND TRAINED PERSONNEL READY TO REACT?


The frightening answer is no. This author has spent over four years researching this topic, interviewing scores of personnel from Congressmen and Generals, to your local police chief and sheriff. At your local level, since 9/11, first responders have received hundreds of hours of training and briefings on all sorts of terrorist scenarios. Only a few have told me that they even discussed the topic for more than a few minutes at an official level. As to emergency stockpiles of supplies and crucial replacement parts, there is nothing in place.

WHY NOT?

EMP, has managed to “stealth” its way on to the highly dangerous list and few, except for a small number of personnel in the Pentagon, various research labs, and men like Congressman Bartlett (R., MD) who heads the Congressional Investigative Committee on EMP, are aware of it. For one it has a certain “sci-fi” sound to it, which makes many dismiss the potential before the discussion has even started. Second, the only way to truly evaluate the threat and demonstrate it is to detonate a nuclear weapon, something we have not done since the full test ban went into effect decades ago. It is therefore not “visible” to us, the way another airliner smashing into a skyscraper is now forever imprinted on our national psyche, feared, and prepared for. Next, with all the competing issues and threats in the world, EMP simply does not have a “constituency” of influence. Only a few members of Congress, our military and scientific community are issuing the warnings. There are no Hollywood stars placing themselves in front of cameras with this as their cause, the few times it has been used in popular movies, it has been portrayed inaccurately, often absurdly.
And finally, the impact is so overwhelming=2 0that it triggers a psychological sense of helplessness, and therefore why bother, since if it happens we are finished. It is the same response that happened between the 1950s-60s. When first confronted with the threat of a nuclear attack, tens of billions was spent to prepare, in fact our Interstate Highway system was initiated in the mid 1950s as a national defense effort to provide avenues of escape from cities in the event of nuclear war, a means to bring in emergency supplies and to move our military. Plans were issued to citizens on how to build bomb shelters and all children were drilled in what is seen now as the absurd “duck and cover.”
Something happened though by the mid-1960s. The threat was no longer fifty to a hundred small atomic bombs dropped from bombers, it was now a rain of thousands of hydrogen bombs, delivered within minutes by ballistic missiles. In this atmosphere of overkill, attempting to prepare seemed ridiculous, futile. The standard phrase became “the living will envy the dead,” so why bother? Civil defense finally became an object of derision, the realm of a few survivalist nut cases.
That threat is still there, and to this day our nuclear forces stand ready to respond, which has indeed been the only defense left. . .”if you nuke us, we’ll nuke you,” a policy known as “mutual assured destruction,” a zero win game.
EMP is different, it is not a rain of thousands of bombs, needing a vast and powerful military to deliver it, which means Russia and China are the only real threats in that realm. . .but unless seized by madness, their leaders know such an attack, within minutes would be met with thousands of bombs annihilating their country as well. It is a balance of terror that has now endured for nearly sixty years.
An EMP attack is different since it only requires but one nuclear weapon, detonated 300 miles above the middle of the United States. One bomb. The launch could even be done from a container ship somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico and in that instant, the war is already over and won.

An analogy. Aircraft carriers existed in 1941 but few saw them as a true strategic threat. Most in the military and their civilian leaders saw the role of carriers as platforms for launching scout planes, spotting targets, and acting always in support of the trusted and proven battleship. No one seriously considered the potential of putting half a dozen such carriers into one group and launching a full out attack in the opening minutes of a war. We all know what changed that belief forever, but by then, it was too late for the nearly 3,000 Americans who were killed on that Day of Infamy. The next Day of Infamy will be infinitely worst.

WHO WOULD DO THIS AND WHY?

Given the hatred and fanaticism of some of our enemies today, if they can obtain but one nuclear bomb, the temptation will be there. It does not even have to be a nation such as Iran or North Korea. . .it could be a terrorist cell who with enough money buy the components and then destroy their definition of “the great Satan.”
 
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For those of you familiar with Katrina and how quickly everything deteriorated in a matter of days, imagine that times 10,000. The majority of people just had to survive longe enough for the government to rescue them. Well, with an EMP or solar flare event, the government will be just as helpless as everyone else, no communications, no working vehicles...
The History Channel had a series Life After People and while people will still be around some of the shows content is still relative like how certain industrial infrastructure (think automated plants) will eventually fail due to no people. In essence people will abandon their jobs (managing these plants) to survive.

These automated plants (like the ones that make/mix chemicals) have old school safe guards built in that trigger (like opening release valves when internal pressures of holding tanks get to much). No electricity means no cooling for the tanks and "pop" you now have a heavier than air plume of poisonous gas sitting or moving with air current across the land for days and no way to detect it.

This goes the same for nuclear power plants...

Like I said over time more people will eventually abandon their jobs (police / army / plant workers / etc.) to survive.
 
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For those of you familiar with Katrina and how quickly everything deteriorated in a matter of days, imagine that times 10,000. The majority of people just had to survive longe enough for the government to rescue them. Well, with an EMP or solar flare event, the government will be just as helpless as everyone else, no communications, no working vehicles...

Unless you are in a jet liner, plummeting to earth, or caught in a massive traffic jam of stalled vehicles on the interstate, you might not even know anything has changed. Sure the power is off, but we’ve all been through that dozens of times. You call the power company. But the phone doesn’t work and that might be slightly more unnerving. You might go to your car to drive around and see what happened and then it becomes more unnerving when the car does not even turn over, nor any other car in your neighborhood.

Twelve hours later the food in your freezer starts to thaw, if it is winter and you don’t have a wood stove the frost will start to penetrate in to your house, if summer and you live in Florida your house will be an oven. And that will just be the start.

Law enforcement will be powerless without radios, cell phones, and squad cars, unable to know where there is a crisis and how to react. The real horror show within hours will be in hospitals and nursing homes. They’re required by law to have back up generators, but those generators are “hot wired” into the building so power can instantly kick in if the main system shuts down. That “hot wiring” means the Electro Magnetic Pulse will take out the generators and their circuitry as well.

If you are familiar with what happened in New Orleans after Katrina, multiply that ten thousand times over to every hospital and nursing home in America. Nearly everyone dependent on life support equipment in ICUs will be dead within hours. Nearly everyone in nursing homes dependent on oxygen generators, respirators, etc., will be dead or dying while depending on the time of year temperatures within plummet or soar.

As to medical supplies, not just in hospitals but across the nation to every local pharmacy, they are all dependent on something called Fed Ex. As we have perfected a remarkable system of instant delivery, guided by computers, local inventories have dropped to be more cost efficient and even for reasons of security with controlled substances, which to ordinary citizens means pain killers. Supplies will run out in a matter of days. Those of us dependent on medications to control asthma, heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other aliments which a hundred years ago would have killed us shortly after the onset. . .will now face death within days or weeks, unless the national power grid comes back on line quickly and order is restored.

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE?

Here is the bottom line of the entire issue and why the threat of a single EMP weapon is so dangerous. There is the serious potential that we might never be able to restore the system. One might ask why? It just means replacing some circuit breakers, pulling out fried chips in our cars and replacing them with new ones etc.

It is not that simple. The infrastructure America has developed since the beginnings of the Industrial Age, is now so vast, intricate and fragile, that it is like a delicate spider web, which if touched by a flame can instantly vanish.

A few examples to illustrate what might seem an extreme statement.
The incredibly complex system that creates electricity, starting from a hydro-electric dam, a glowing nuclear reactor, or coal fired plant, leaps through hundreds of circuit breakers, perhaps thousands of miles of wiring, across high tension lines to sub stations, and finally to the outlet your computer is plug into. This single line will now have hundreds of breaks in it, each one having to be replaced.

Any of us who have lived through a major disaster such as a hurricane, ice storm, or tornado, and then gone several days without power know the sequence, h ow much longer the wait seems to be, and then finally the welcome sight of a power company repair truck turning on to your block. . .and that truck might be from a power company five hundred miles away. All our disasters have ultimately been local in nature, Andrew in Florida, Katrina in Louisiana and Mississippi or one this author went through with Ivan in North Carolina. The disaster is local, even if fifty thousand square miles are affected, help streaming in from neighboring states, caravans of power trucks, each carrying not just experienced crews, but ladened down with all the replacement parts necessary to put electricity and phone service back into your house. When Ivan hit my town, dumping 30 inches of rain, wiping out the power grid and water supply, in less than twelve hours thousands of gallons of bottled water had arrived from Charlotte, power companies from Alabama, Tennessee and Virginia were arriving, the special parts needed to replace my town’s shattered water main from the reservoir were air lifted in by a national guard unit.

Consider though if the entire nation is “down.” Quite simply there are not enough replacement parts in the entire nation to even remotely begin the retro-fitting and replacement of all components. Every community will be on its own, struggling to rebuild. . .on their own.

Example two. A member of your family has type one diabetes and if you do have that in your family you know that failure to properly monitor and treat can result in death within a matter of weeks at most. Start with the testing kit. If it is one of the new electronic digital models, changes are a small hand held unit, not plugged into the grid will in fact survive. If it is an older kit that still uses testing stripes and you are running short of those stripes of paper, you already have a problem.

Where does insulin come from? In an earlier age it was literally made from the ground up pancreas of sheep and horses. Today it is manufactured via genetically altered bacteria and cells. There are several such factories across the nation which do this, producing millions of vials a day.

We are not even going to get into the complexity of where do the vials, the rubber seals and such come from. But with the shut down of power the factory goes dark and the complex environmental controls to insure the proper safety of the bacteria “batches” is now off line. Within days it will cease to function for that reason alone.

But it will most likely already be off line. What of the workers? Will t he next shift show up when cars no longer run? Unlikely. And those on the job? No matter how dedicated most must leave within a day to see to their own families and chances are not return.

Of the hundreds of thousands of vials waiting in refrigerated containers for shipping, what happens to the coolant? And where are the trucks to move it? If the insulin is, in fact, already in the “pipeline” so to speak, if aboard a Fed Ex plane we already know that tragic fate. If on a highway it will be stalled. . .and so on to your local pharmacy where the few vials in the current inventory will be snatched up by panicked customers within hours and then hoarded away, regardless of the need of others. And even then, how will you keep the insulin temperature stabilized and when that fails, how swiftly does the potency drop?

But one other factor, the syringes to inject the medicine. Any of us over 45 or so can recall the dull terrible needles in our doctor’s offices. (As a child I recall my grandmother boiling my diabetic grandfather’s needles.) After use they were stuck back into an autoclave (powered by electricity) and carefully sterilized. . .and then came the disposable syringe. Where does that needle come from. Again a long back track to an oil field, to a cracking plant, to a factory that, in sterile conditions turns the plastic into the barrel of syringe, to a mine where ore is turned into steel which is milled at remarkable tolerances into a needle point. . .and again shipped and shipped again and finally to your house.

The point of these few examples is that in an age not so long ago, nearly all that we needed for our lives was produced locally, and then came railroads, which could link a farmer’s wif e in Nebraska, via a catalog and telegraph to the Sears office in Chicago for that new set of dishes or a replacement part for a threshing machine. . .to our complex web of today. Few of us ever realized that with each advance in convenience and the latest new gadget or necessity we took another step towards dependence which in a global market today means that the chip needed to repair an important computer might be made in Japan, and ordered via a sales rep at a desk in India, and yet we expect it to arrive within two days and see nothing remarkable about that. Globalization with all its benefits and woes for some workers here, has made us infinitely more dependent on a global network of communications and transportation. . .that fragile spider’s web.

There is the true nightmare of EMP. Once the entire system collapses, how and where does anyone build it back when that one crucial part you need is in a warehouse in Shanghai or Seoul and you don’t even have means to even ask for that part.


YOU MENTION IN YOUR BOOK THAT 90% of AMERICANS MIGHT DIE WITHIN A YEAR. ISN’T THAT FEAR MONGORING?

When such numbers were discussed during the height of the Cold War, the numbers were indeed real, as they are now with the use of but one weapon to create an EMP burst.

The tragic thing is how we can discuss such numbers now in a society where the entire nation went into stunned mourning after nearly 4,000 died on 9/11.

The death of an individual is a tragedy. The death of a million a statistic.
The first few million deaths are tragically obvious. Those aboard commercial flights, and even most private flights, those in nursing homes, hospices, and hospitals.

The next few million are obvious as well. Those with severe aliments requiring careful daily medication or treatment, such as those awaiting transplants, people undergoing dialysis, those with severe heart ailments both known and not yet realized. We are use to emergency response within minutes when we snap open a cell phone and call 911. The stress, fear, even the unaccustomed physical exertion of someone having to walk ten miles to get home will trigger heart attacks, strokes, etc. We are a “hot house bred” generation, in fact several generations now. Our water supply is carefully controlled and delivered instantly and on demand, hundreds of gallons of it a day. Our food, wrapped in sanitary packages has expiration dates stamped on it. Where will you get drinkable water in a city after but several days? Frankly when was the last time any of us had to live without a flush toilet and anti-bacterial hand wash by the sink? Food that starts to thaw, which we were always cautioned to throw out, food in a refrigerator that is now at room temperature. . . do you throw it out or risk eating it? If your house is fully electric how do you cook it properly?

These few questions alone lead to a clear path straight to an entire nation heading into gastro-intestinal aliments within a week to ten days at most. Any of us who have traveled overseas, especially to third world countries have weathered them an d survived. . .thanks in part to modern medications once back safe home in the USA. But we are now the third world country. Very young children and the elderly can die in less than a day from severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. Without plenty of clean water and modern waste removal, the problem gets far worst, especially in temporary refugee centers.

Compound this with the fact that by the end of the week millions of Americans will be on the road. . .walking. The tragic lawlessness we often see in the wake of a large disaster will most certainly explode given that police are near powerless to react in an organized manner and national guard units will not even be mobilized since how do they mobilize if no vehicles run and all communications is still down.

Millions, many of them the most vulnerable will make the choice of abandoning the cities rather than try and fight to find a gallon jug of water or a few cans of soup. Beyond this fear, summer or winter many urban dwellings will be unlivable. The multi million dollar condo on the 40th floor is now a nightmare 400 foot hike straight up, lugging whatever water or food you might get. They will be unheated, or roasting ovens, designed of course with perfection climate control. . .that no longer works. Many will be driven, as well by the false hope that relatives out in the suburbs or better yet “out in the country” will of course have plenty of food and be willing to share.

Our interstate highways will become nightmare paths of exile as our largely urban population tries to fan out to find food that once was shipped in.

Millions could and will die on that road. Where do they get safe water? The nearby stream or river is now a dump for raw sewage since purification plants are off line. Once stricken on the road by the results after drinking this water, where does one get help, basic medication, more water to keep you hydrated.

Within a month the next level of die off will be in full development. Those who survive the initial onset of illnesses from polluted water and food, and survive, will nevertheless be weakened, knock down a level. Even if they do get lucky and have food stockpiled, or find a source, chances are it will not be balanced at all and the first onset of nutritional imbalance will lower the immulogical system even further.

Now is the time that more serious diseases will appear. Pneumonia, especia lly in the winter due to exposure. More exotic and dangerous types of food poisoning such as salmonella due to a complete collapse of sanitation. Various forms of hepatitis, even diseases not heard of in a generation or more. . .measles, scarlet fever, and tuberculosis.

In addition, the number of injuries will have soared. Few of us today are truly use to the back breaking kind of manual labor of the 19th century. Even most laborers today use modern equipment to do 99% of the actual work. Unfamiliar with axes, shovels and saws, people will break bones, cut themselves, or just suddenly die from strain. And waiting now are the infectious diseases where an ordinary cut, once treated with a few stitches instead becomes an avenue for gangrene, a rusty nail is again a threat of tetanus.

And finally, violence against ourselves. At what point do we begin to kill each other for food, water, shelter? At what point does a small town mobilize, barricade itself in and make clear that any who enter will be shot because there is not enough food to share, and any new stranger might be a carrier of yet another disease.

By sixty days true starvation will be killing off millions and by 120 days mass starvation will be the norm. Those lucky enough to be in rich farm producing areas, with the knowledge of how to gather food by hand, and then preserve it, will have a temporary surplus, but even then, if they do not ration it out wisely, as did our colonial forefathers, they too will starve before the next crop is in the ground come spring.

Months later, yes help from old allies might be flooding in, but how to move it, distribute it and at the same time provide medical aid and also rebuild the electrical grid, step by step will still be overwhelming tasks.

As said before, “the death of a million is a statistic.” Our statistic could very well be that in a year’s time, nine out of ten Americans will be dead. Dead from but one weapon, our global position shattered forever as we revert back into a third rate power, if we even still survive as a united system of states.

You should probably credit the original article - http://www.onesecondafter.com/pb/wp_d10 ... e87d9.html
 
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I posted/credited with the link in the OP. I should probably do it with every post referenced but I'm tired and lazy today. A lot of questions can be answered if people go to that link in the OP. Anyone interested in this topic should definitely read the book, you won't regret it. There's also a movie from the book in the works.
 
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Bocefish said:
I posted/credited with the link in the OP. I should probably do it with every post referenced but I'm tired and lazy today. A lot of questions can be answered if people go to that link in the OP. Anyone interested in this topic should definitely read the book, you won't regret it. There's also a movie from the book in the works.

My mistake, sorry!
Time for another coffee... :lol:
 
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One little piece of advice for people if something like this should happen. Find out where all the older cemeteries are for a 20 to 30 mile radius around you. If you have time go visit them now.

Cemeteries are built way out on the outskirts of town, out of the way. Back in the 60's or before there was no city water or sewer out to those areas. So to do upkeep they usually put in an old fashioned hand pump water well. Most of the older cemeteries in towns will have a hand pump somewhere on the grounds. They will still work to get water should the electricity goes down.

Now you just have to have foresight enough to have water jugs stocked up.

And while I'm writing this I'll just put a few other links. One is for food that can be easily stocked up. It's a bit more expensive but it has a shelf life of 25 years if unopened.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/combo-packs.aspx#.UdBk6_nU9uI

There are many other companies that sell bagged and canned dehydrated food with a very long shelf life. That link there has a LOT of variety including pre-made meals.

This link is for sprouting seeds. Most people don't tend to think about this but it's one of the best survival foods you can ever have. Very compact, easy to store, lasts for years. Easy to grow and very nutritious. You just need water and a jar with some cheesecloth. Takes a few days to grow a batch of a full jar of sprouts, so you can keep a few batches going at all times. If nothing else it will keep you alive. If you're at all into survival planning you should stockpile and learn how to grow sprouts now. Again, this is just one link. There are many other sources for sprouting seeds including local health food stores and gardening supply stores.
http://usastore.sprouting.com/sprouting-seed/mixes.html

And on a similar vein. Go to Lowes or Home Depot. They sell 5 gallon FOOD GRADE buckets. Get some. Fill them up with rice and beans. Also one of the cheapest ways to survive for a really long time and they store sealed up for years. There's youtube videos of people opening buckets after 17 years and showing the quality of food. Still great and edible. Long term food storage at it's cheapest right there. Granted it's not that tasty, but if you're starving you'll be happy to have it.

Soup in a Jar. Google that!!! You can make jars full of soup mixes that have all the dry ingredients already mixed up. Then just add water and cook to eat. What's best is if you do make this or decide to stock up food supplies, get a food sealer that has a jar sealer capability. Get the attachment for jars. You can vacuum seal almost every dry food good out there to have it last for years. All your spices, veggies you've dehydrated, even flour and such. For flours to keep bugs out I seal up half gallon jars full and then put in the freezer for a week. That kills any eggs that may be in the flour. Since it's vacuum sealed it can stay on a shelf for years now.
Here's a basic Condensed Cream of Soup recipe that can be used for a lot of different flavors.
http://busycooks.about.com/od/homemademixes/r/creamsoupmix.htm
and here's just a general 'in a jar' search result on Food.com to give you an idea what all you can make up ahead of time to stock up.
http://www.food.com/recipe-finder/all/in-a-jar?pn=6

Dehydrator. Get a cheap one from walmart. Every time your local store has a sale on frozen veggies stock up. Put them on the dehydrator and fill up jars with dried food. Vacuum seal it and you've got years of food. I can get around 10 pounds of corn into a single quart jar once dried.

Caffeine. I have to have it. Cheapest way i've found to stock up is black tea - loose leaf. A 4 pound box I'm on track to using it in about one year. So buy a few and you're good for a long haul.
http://www.amazon.com/Brooke-Bond-R...612652&sr=8-13&keywords=brooke+bond+red+label

Cooking. All of that is useless unless you can cook. There's a lot of youtube videos on making small pop can stoves out of aluminum cans and using Heet or Rubbing alcohol as fuel. I've got a few built. But they are really a short term 'true emergency' use item since they require you to stockpile the fuel too. What is one of the best sytems is a grover rocket stove. There's variations on this of course and you can even build one out of fire brick. But for easy long term storage till it's needed and portability so you can hide it after you've cooked with it (so other's don't steal your stove) I recommend a Grover. It takes just a few handfuls of wood to cook an entire meal. Because it's so efficient like this you don't have to spend hours chopping down a lot of wood to cook with. You can literally walk around the woods or trees in your back yard and pick up a few sticks that have fallen. That will be enough to make food for the day...or heat up water for your tea.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OMI7RS/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A155CONXINHZL0

Water storage. Think a gallon a day per person. Have water containers on hand for long term storage. I use the 7 gallon blue jugs from walmart. Buy a small bottle of bleach and get a small pool testing kit from walmart. One that does Chlorine testing. Most websites will tell you that if water has around 4ppm (part per million) chlorine it will keep bacteria growth down. Most city water supplies already do this so your water may be safe for long term storage. What you do is fill up one jug and test it for ppm. Then if it needs to be higher you add bleach (PURE clorox bleach, no additives!!!) at 1/8 of a teaspoon at a time and test after each time. Once you get to the 4ppm you know how much total has to be added to each jug you fill for your own cities water supply. That is now good for 6 months storage. At that time drain them, wash them out and fill up again. Buy a new bottle of bleach each time since it loses efficiency over time. There ya go. Long term water storage. I have 10 of those jugs I pack away in closets out of the way on the floor. 70 gallons of water should last me a little over 2 months in an emergency. Let all the other people scramble for something to drink.

Now, in case you were wondering. Yes, I do all of the stuff I just mentioned. I pulled all of those links off my personal bookmarks. I own the sealer, dehydrator, grover stove and much more. I live in a small one bedroom apartment and plan to move with a job in a year or two so I don't have a lot stocked up. But if needed I wouldn't have to go to the grocery store for the next year and a half roughly. I do a lot of my own home cooking so none of this is going to waste. I actually use it on a daily basis and just keep replenishing as I go.
 
JerryBoBerry said:
One little piece of advice for people if something like this should happen. Find out where all the older cemeteries are for a 20 to 30 mile radius around you. If you have time go visit them now.

Cemeteries are built way out on the outskirts of town, out of the way. Back in the 60's or before there was no city water or sewer out to those areas. So to do upkeep they usually put in an old fashioned hand pump water well. Most of the older cemeteries in towns will have a hand pump somewhere on the grounds. They will still work to get water should the electricity goes down.

Now you just have to have foresight enough to have water jugs stocked up.

And while I'm writing this I'll just put a few other links. One is for food that can be easily stocked up. It's a bit more expensive but it has a shelf life of 25 years if unopened.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/combo-packs.aspx#.UdBk6_nU9uI

There are many other companies that sell bagged and canned dehydrated food with a very long shelf life. That link there has a LOT of variety including pre-made meals.

This link is for sprouting seeds. Most people don't tend to think about this but it's one of the best survival foods you can ever have. Very compact, easy to store, lasts for years. Easy to grow and very nutritious. You just need water and a jar with some cheesecloth. Takes a few days to grow a batch of a full jar of sprouts, so you can keep a few batches going at all times. If nothing else it will keep you alive. If you're at all into survival planning you should stockpile and learn how to grow sprouts now. Again, this is just one link. There are many other sources for sprouting seeds including local health food stores and gardening supply stores.
http://usastore.sprouting.com/sprouting-seed/mixes.html

And on a similar vein. Go to Lowes or Home Depot. They sell 5 gallon FOOD GRADE buckets. Get some. Fill them up with rice and beans. Also one of the cheapest ways to survive for a really long time and they store sealed up for years. There's youtube videos of people opening buckets after 17 years and showing the quality of food. Still great and edible. Long term food storage at it's cheapest right there. Granted it's not that tasty, but if you're starving you'll be happy to have it.

Soup in a Jar. Google that!!! You can make jars full of soup mixes that have all the dry ingredients already mixed up. Then just add water and cook to eat. What's best is if you do make this or decide to stock up food supplies, get a food sealer that has a jar sealer capability. Get the attachment for jars. You can vacuum seal almost every dry food good out there to have it last for years. All your spices, veggies you've dehydrated, even flour and such. For flours to keep bugs out I seal up half gallon jars full and then put in the freezer for a week. That kills any eggs that may be in the flour. Since it's vacuum sealed it can stay on a shelf for years now.
Here's a basic Condensed Cream of Soup recipe that can be used for a lot of different flavors.
http://busycooks.about.com/od/homemademixes/r/creamsoupmix.htm
and here's just a general 'in a jar' search result on Food.com to give you an idea what all you can make up ahead of time to stock up.
http://www.food.com/recipe-finder/all/in-a-jar?pn=6

Dehydrator. Get a cheap one from walmart. Every time your local store has a sale on frozen veggies stock up. Put them on the dehydrator and fill up jars with dried food. Vacuum seal it and you've got years of food. I can get around 10 pounds of corn into a single quart jar once dried.

Caffeine. I have to have it. Cheapest way i've found to stock up is black tea - loose leaf. A 4 pound box I'm on track to using it in about one year. So buy a few and you're good for a long haul.
http://www.amazon.com/Brooke-Bond-R...612652&sr=8-13&keywords=brooke+bond+red+label

Cooking. All of that is useless unless you can cook. There's a lot of youtube videos on making small pop can stoves out of aluminum cans and using Heet or Rubbing alcohol as fuel. I've got a few built. But they are really a short term 'true emergency' use item since they require you to stockpile the fuel too. What is one of the best sytems is a grover rocket stove. There's variations on this of course and you can even build one out of fire brick. But for easy long term storage till it's needed and portability so you can hide it after you've cooked with it (so other's don't steal your stove) I recommend a Grover. It takes just a few handfuls of wood to cook an entire meal. Because it's so efficient like this you don't have to spend hours chopping down a lot of wood to cook with. You can literally walk around the woods or trees in your back yard and pick up a few sticks that have fallen. That will be enough to make food for the day...or heat up water for your tea.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OMI7RS/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A155CONXINHZL0

Water storage. Think a gallon a day per person. Have water containers on hand for long term storage. I use the 7 gallon blue jugs from walmart. Buy a small bottle of bleach and get a small pool testing kit from walmart. One that does Chlorine testing. Most websites will tell you that if water has around 4ppm (part per million) chlorine it will keep bacteria growth down. Most city water supplies already do this so your water may be safe for long term storage. What you do is fill up one jug and test it for ppm. Then if it needs to be higher you add bleach (PURE clorox bleach, no additives!!!) at 1/8 of a teaspoon at a time and test after each time. Once you get to the 4ppm you know how much total has to be added to each jug you fill for your own cities water supply. That is now good for 6 months storage. At that time drain them, wash them out and fill up again. Buy a new bottle of bleach each time since it loses efficiency over time. There ya go. Long term water storage. I have 10 of those jugs I pack away in closets out of the way on the floor. 70 gallons of water should last me a little over 2 months in an emergency. Let all the other people scramble for something to drink.

Now, in case you were wondering. Yes, I do all of the stuff I just mentioned. I pulled all of those links off my personal bookmarks. I own the sealer, dehydrator, grover stove and much more. I live in a small one bedroom apartment and plan to move with a job in a year or two so I don't have a lot stocked up. But if needed I wouldn't have to go to the grocery store for the next year and a half roughly. I do a lot of my own home cooking so none of this is going to waste. I actually use it on a daily basis and just keep replenishing as I go.

If you've got a good stockpile of weapons & ammo there too, you're even ready for a zombie apocalypse. I salute you, sir!
 
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emptiedglass said:
If you've got a good stockpile of weapons & ammo there too, you're even ready for a zombie apocalypse. I salute you, sir!
You know it! ;) :mrgreen:

That was just a different thread.
 
emptiedglass said:
It's definitely a possibility we should prepare for (and try to prevent).
In 1998, there was a severe ice storm here and I was left without power for over a week. I wasn't nearly as dependent on phone, computer, etc. back then as I am now.
The thought of us being suddenly stripped of all modern technology is both fascinating and terrifying to me.
Yeah a world without power would cause famine within weeks, obviously people dependent on water piped in from elsewhere (eg desert communities, mining places, dubai?) Would die of thirst shortly after bottled water ran out. The kinds of riots etc over gasoline and supermarket shelves don't bear thinking about.
Of course if it continued for a little while most of the population of the world would die of famine (largely as a result of being in high density populated areas with little or no arable land) while those remaining would try to grow a sustainable amount of food for the survivors etc... Yeah and this is before we even talk about groups of survivors/bandits that face the choice of starve to death or kill someone and take their food.
 
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Jupiter551 said:
emptiedglass said:
It's definitely a possibility we should prepare for (and try to prevent).
In 1998, there was a severe ice storm here and I was left without power for over a week. I wasn't nearly as dependent on phone, computer, etc. back then as I am now.
The thought of us being suddenly stripped of all modern technology is both fascinating and terrifying to me.
Yeah a world without power would cause famine within weeks, obviously people dependent on water piped in from elsewhere (eg desert communities, mining places, dubai?) Would die of thirst shortly after bottled water ran out. The kinds of riots etc over gasoline and supermarket shelves don't bear thinking about.
Of course if it continued for a little while most of the population of the world would die of famine (largely as a result of being in high density populated areas with little or no arable land) while those remaining would try to grow a sustainable amount of food for the survivors etc... Yeah and this is before we even talk about groups of survivors/bandits that face the choice of starve to death or kill someone and take their food.

Some people in the series of books I mentioned take it even one step further than that by resorting to cannibalism. Pretty horrifying, but entirely possible.
 
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Firstly, your cars won't die. If your car gets hit by lightning it will transmit harmlessly through the body, unless it's constructed entirely of non-conductive material. Given the majority of cars still possess metal bodies, that turns them into a Faraday cage. If a Coronal Mass Ejection is going to hit and we know about it, which we will, I'm going to stay in my car. It's a hell of a lot safer than a house containing flammable materials with circuitry overloading.

The biggest loss will be all the satellites, unless they can be put in total safe-mode they're all going offline. That means no GPS, mobile phones, etc. Weather satellites would be offline, so predictions would be non-existent even once power was restored. Given our current reliance on GPS, there could be even greater delays in relief work, assuming the entire world doesn't implode from rage first.

Besides, if you need a food item that won't spoil...Raid a McDonalds, wasn't there an experiment a guy did where a burger was still edible after several months exposed to the elements?
 
Jupiter551 said:
Of course if it continued for a little while most of the population of the world would die of famine (largely as a result of being in high density populated areas with little or no arable land) while those remaining would try to grow a sustainable amount of food for the survivors etc... Yeah and this is before we even talk about groups of survivors/bandits that face the choice of starve to death or kill someone and take their food.
Rural places in China, India, Central America would do fine without electricity and lets face it the majority of the worlds population actually lives in a 3rd world environment where electricity is a luxury and food and water is locally grown and gathered.

However eventually these areas would become saturated with 1st world people getting away from something called winter. Imagine 50 million people from Canada and the northern states flooding into the southern states / central america over the period of a few months just to stay warm.
 
There is a lot of misinformation about Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) and Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) events, about what they are and how they effect things. One of the big misconceptions is that they are the same. While they may have a similar component and both can cause power outages, there are some striking differences.

The main difference between an EMP attack and a CME impact is what is effected. For EMP, both the power grid and electronics are damaged and destroyed. In a CME impact, mainly the power grid is affected, while electronics are untouched.

Why?

There are actually three components, or pulses, to an EMP, they are called E1, E2 and E3:

E1- The first component is a very fast, high voltage pulse. It is very brief, but very intense.
It is much faster than lightning and common lightning and surge suppressors will not stop this pulse.
It induces high voltages in wiring and cables, like power lines, phone lines, etc.
This is the component that destroys computers and electronic equipment.

The E2 pulse is a lot like lightning and is easier to protect against, though if the protection circuit was destroyed or damaged by the E1 pulse, may still do more damage.

The E3 pulse is a long duration pulse and is not like the E1 and E2 pulses.
It’s a very slow pulse, which can last up for minutes. It is caused by the nuclear detonation disrupting the Earth’s magnetic field. Which sounds a lot like what happens during a CME impact.

This is the wave that shuts down the power grid. It does this by inducing a DC-like current. When enough DC current flows through a transformer, it melts.

While a CME can damage electronics in space, such as those on satellites and on the Space Station, it doesn’t generate any E1 pulse. A severe CME could take out large portions of the power grid out for years, but they would not damage any electronics equipment down here on Earth unless, perhaps, connected to the power grid or other very long lines.

There is a lot of speculation out there on what will happen from an EMP attack. This has caused a lot of myths to surface about EMP. Below are some clarifications.

MYTH: You need either a very large bomb or a special EMP-tuned nuke in order to produce enough EMP to take out the country.
FACT: ANY nuke will create enough EMP to take out the country. While you will get varying degrees of E1, E2 and E3, all nukes can create an EMP.

MYTH: All cars will stop working.
FACT: Currently, it is thought that only some cars will be totally inoperable. Even though more and more vehicles have electronics in them, which you think might make them more vulnerable, these electronics need to be shielded very well for safety reasons. Since the construction of the vehicle is mostly metal coupled with the fact there is no long cable attached, this should act to shield a lot of the pulse.

MYTH: Watches will stop working. This is often depicted in movies.
FACT: watches are too small to be affected, as there isn’t enough metal in it to collect the voltage.

MYTH: Gear that uses vacuum tubes is EMP proof.
FACT: Sadly, no. There was vacuum tube equipment that was damaged in the 1962 tests.

MYTH: I’ve heard from several people the notion that as long as your gear isn’t connected to a wire or antenna that’s under a specific length, it’s safe.
FACT: Shorter is better, but if it has an antenna or connected to any sizable piece of metal, it’s probably at risk.

MYTH: You need to ground your Faraday cage, otherwise it’s not protected against EMP.
FACT: When the EMP hits the ground it induces large voltages in anything metal under the ground; wires, cables, pipes, conduit, etc. This induced voltage flows just like electricity in power lines. If you ground your Faraday cage, you’re connecting the box to this induced voltage.

MYTH: A microwave oven is an excellent Faraday cage.
FACT: A microwave oven is designed to keep the microwaves from leaking out of the unit. The protection employed is tuned for microwaves, which is about 2.4 GHz. It will shield a cell phone from receiving a signal, but if you put an AM radio into it, it will still receive the radio signal.

- See more at: http://www.thepreparednesspodcast.com
 
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Kokoro said:
A lot of people would really freak out about this.
The only reason I would freak out is because my job depends on the use of electronics and the internet.

if you really need an excuse to freak out, just think about the possibility that the sun could already have stopped giving us our heat.

i've seen enough of a model freaking out on cam though, i saw a model in Japan searching google for places to live that don't have earthquakes because she was on cam when an earthquake hit (and she worked in a studio so she had to stay at a friend's house overnight due to them stopping the trains).
 
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